What is up with The Ventriloquist? Is the puppet evil or is the guy evil?

What is up with The Ventriloquist? Is the puppet evil or is the guy evil?

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He has dissociative personality disorder and puts it on the doll.

He’s mentally ill and it’s him talking throw the puppet but thinks the puppet is real.

Anyone else find the idea of a gangster ventriloquist dummy with a gun utterly terrifying?

It's like Chucky only professional and thus less likely to fuck up?

I want a Batman tv show so we can see live action versions of minor villains like him. As long as it's on the big screen, we're gonna get stuck with the same shit over and over again.

Depends on the canon...I guess?

TAS Ventriloquist is clearly a victim of a horrible mental illness who is up there with Dent as a sympathetic villain made into a monster they don't want to be.

He also gets an out and is the only villain from DCAU that has a legitimately happy ending.

I don't know about the one from the comics or other cartoons, but aren't there at least two or three people who took up the name?

Pretty much. It's just everyone knows ventriloquist dummies are fucking terrifying thanks to stuff like Goosebumps.

Are you somehow completely unaware of Gotham? I'm not caught up but apparently they just added Ventriloquist last month.

That fucking ending with the "good" puppet, holy shit

But what would happen if he just cut off his arm

>all the Batman villains are mentally unstable in some way.
>Hey, whats this guys deal?

Hmm , guess we'll never know?!

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According to Tom King, his Scarface persona makes him immune to mind control and magic.
That's increibly stupid and great at the same time.

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he appeared for one episode and is killed off

Also Gotham is the worst shit ever

Back when he was first created, Alan Grant dropped some hints that the doll was possessed and then in Psychodrama he had Scarface say it had the souls of 313 Blackgate criminals in it, and although the story leaves enough room for ambiguity that you could say it really was just Arnold hallucinating, I think it was Alan Grant's intention for Scarface to really have something supernatural.

Later writers pretty much forgot this idea and I'd say it's for the better.

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The puppet is just his other personality and his violent desires he always suppressed growing up, those desires or tendencies always come out in someway or another

Is it both are immune or just the Scarface identity?

I think the whole point is that just a justification for his behavior, remember how for a while Black Mask was made from the same tree and said all those criminal hate was build in him, that was more like part of the act to create the new identity

Oh gosh, projecting without the puppet. I'm actually legit a little afraid.

Maybe he is a muppet of a man

I'm talking about an actual Batman show, with proper versions of the characters.

So I'm going to guess you're not very happy about Titans either. What makes you think they would ever make a live action Batman TV series that would meet your specifications if the ones that are airing right now do not?

In an alternate timeline Superman lobotomized all the prisoners of Arkham with his heat vision.

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I think the idea that Scarface is cursed or haunted or whatever could work, but it needs to be something that's never conclusively shown to the audience.
Keep it subtle, and make the audience wonder if there's a rational explanation.

fpbp

Titans is not a Batman show. I want a Batman show, I don't know how that is hard to understand.

Fuck Batman.

>He also gets an out and is the only villain from DCAU that has a legitimately happy ending.
Who got the worst, Bane, Joker, or Freeze?

so he is basically two face without the scar?

So that's where they got the idea for Mitch Conner

>Scarface is the one lobotomized

Depends who's writing.

Is it Arnold pretending to have multiple personality disorder? Does he really have it? Is the doll possessed? They've all been implied.

The power of mental suggestion.

Joker's wasn't that bad, it was just fitting, and he got the second to last laugh in the bitter end. His final words were perfect. "That's not funny." Beautiful.

I'd say Freeze got the worst of all really. It was all so pitiful, so pointless and futile. And he felt the full weight of that and just gave up.

>He’s mentally ill
>A batman villain is mentally ill
shock and awe

Why doesn't Superman get any villains with mental illness?

Sometimes Toyman is nuts.

Nutcases are naturally drawn to Gotham.

Lex is usually enough of a narcissist for it to be considered a disorder

>remember how for a while Black Mask was made from the same tree
You mean his mask? Because Roman's mask was made from his dad's coffin, unless they switched up later. And Black Mask is definitely not the kind of character who writers would need to develop a justification for his behavior, he's been irredeemably evil from day one.

>the whole point is that just a justification for his behavior
That's another possibility that Psychodrama raises, since it shows Wesker struggling even when he's made himself a new friend, falling at the seams and hallucinating even before Penguin actually gives him Scarface back.

I think part of what makes The Ventriloquist interesting to me is because he has an ambiguity to him due to the vague nature of his split personality. You can play him up in any number of ways

No, not really.
Harvey Dent is a man with his good and evil sides so strongly against each other that he is only able to compromise and function through random chance.
Arnold Wesker is a man with a weak personality who gets pushed around by a domineering douchebag that he happens to share a brain with.

Two-Face is one man split in half. The Ventriloquist & Scarface are two people living as one.

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Well it is located in south Jersey.

Batman has some villains that get sent to Blackgate state pen instead of Arkham, so not all of them are total screwballs. I don't think TAS Catwoman is nuts, not sure about Penguin either. Is Bane crazy? Croc? Natalia? I guess Ras is. Thorne isn't.

There's the second Blask Mask, Jeremiah Arkham. Who was far more interesting before that.

Croc is a werid case depending on the writer though, some making him an outright monster while others make him more victimized and sympathetic.

Oh, right, that happened. And both Jeremiah and Wesker were Alan Grant creations so maybe it was just bound to happen at some point.

>Is Bane crazy?
He's functional and can be reasoned, but he's too obsessive to really be considered perfectly sane.
>Croc?
When he isn't written as a mindless cannibal, Jones has always been one of the saner villains by a long shot, even when he isn't sympathetic

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It doesn't really fit with Superman's character thematically.
Batman is all about trying to maintain some semblance of sanity and order in a brutal and uncaring world, so it fits that most of his villains would be madmen who do horrible things for reasons only they understand.
Superman is all about being a good-natured everyman who stands up for the common folk, so his villains are people like Lex Luthor and Darkseid who represent oppressive totalitarian evil.

>I don't think TAS Catwoman is nuts,
Most incarnations of Catwoman are sane.

>not sure about Penguin either.
The majority of the time, Penguin goes to Black Gate.
But, in BTAS, he was almost always in Arkham. Pretty much every villain in BTAS ended up in Arkham one way or another because they frequently did those "Let's see what all the current inmates are up to at Arkham" bits, and shoving Penguin in Arkham was just another way for him to interact with other villains. Cobblepot is quite sane in most other stories, however. He's well aware of what he's doing. He just happens to be an evil sack of shit.

>Is Bane crazy?
Bane is one of the most intelligent humans on the planet in DC. He may lose himself sometimes when on a particular Venom bender, but

>Croc?
Croc is a toss up. Sometimes he's just a really dumb mother fucker with a skin condition that commits petty ass crimes and really wants to smash puss by flashing his wallet full of stolen money around. Other times he's portrayed as a monstrous, serial cannibal that lives in the sewers and preys on people. Other times still, he's reduced to a flat out animal with the intelligence of an actual crocodile, driven by a desire to feed and nothing else, meaning he's not even good or evil at this point.

>Natalia?
Up for debate

>I guess Ras is
Ras is either incredibly insane, or he's lived so long that he's the sanest man alive, and his actions have just transcended the morality of us mortals.

With TAS Ras I figured repeated visits to the lazarus pit have taken their toll long term. He's not erratic, but I wouldn't call him well adjusted.

>both Jeremiah and Wesker were Alan Grant creations
Alan Grant is pretty underrated as a Batman writer nowadays. He created so many great characters.

Freeze.

There's absolutely no contest here. Joker got what had fucking coming, Bane's fate sucked royal but being in a vegetative state is probably beans compared to being a fucking conscious head in a jar for decades, after every other shit thing he had to deal with in his sordid life. His ordeals began the moment his boss and a brute squad kicked down his lab door ready to kill his comatose wife *and everything got worse from then on!* Dying after a radiation v. ice fight from the impact of a collapsing building was a blessing, shit got so bad.

>Croc is a toss up
You mean comic Killer Croc? At first he was actually some sort of proto-Bane. A very capable and brutal crime lord, and every single villain was afraid of him.

I was speaking generally about Killer Croc in general across all incarnations.

Well, my post wasn't off-topic then. Go me!

I LIKE that your post wasn't off topic!

Selina is a cleptomanic thrill seeker. She's no Joker but I wouldn't call her well-adjusted either

He crazy.

threads like this are so comfy and remind me of old Yea Forums, thanks guys

We tend to have good threads when the person who creates the thread starts it with good intent. When it's some obvious political bait, that's when the threads tend to go to shit.

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