Transformers Vs. G.I. Joe and the deacdes of defeat

Why is GI Joe so fucked when it comes to making comebacks compared to Transformers?

>1990s
>Hasbro properties are failing
>Both Transformers and GI Joe are sinking
>Transformers takes a risk and make Beast Machines
>GI Joe follows the 90s trend and makes GI JOE XTREME
>Transformers is saved and GI JOE is lost

Its not just this Transformers gets an outsourced anime and it is moderately successful GI Joe gets an outsourced anime still fails. Transformers live action movies even though they are bad still made millions with multiple movies at this point while live Action GI Joe movies both flopped. Again we move to the Hub Transformers gets Prime which is constantly praised and loved while GI Joe gets Renegades which I think is great but yet it still fails.


Why cant the American Heroes beat the robots in disguise?

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Robots are cool, soldiers are the ultimate (real) boomer thing.

G.I. Joe anime?

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WE ARE HEROES

Robots have better global appeal
CoD and Battlefield have taken the military niche for little kids
Transformers has a buttload more content thanks to Takara

COD and Battlefield are for guys in like 2007 kids today are not as violent or care for military shit anymore

1980s GI Joe kept going up to the mid-1990s, outlasting Transformers G1 and G2. Beast Wars saving Transformers is largely down to the cartoon, while Hasbro had two attempts to revive GI Joe in the 1990s, with Sgt Savage, and GI Joe Extreme, they gave up on both of them very quickly. Unless anyone at Hasbro ever talked about it, it's hard to know if this was due to sales being that bad, or if there were other reasons.

1980s nostalgia in the 2000s got Hasbro making GI Joe toys again, and as with Transformers, they were doing a new iteration of the brand every few years. Most of these things weren't flopping, they just weren't as popular as Transformers, and Sigma 6 was the only time they got a cartoon series instead of one-off specials like Spy Troops or Resolute. Even the two movies didn't flop, they both made a profit, Retaliation made a good profit. They weren't making Transformers money, but nobody was expecting them to.

Transformers Prime was broadcast on The CW as well as The Hub, and shown internationally, while Renegades was only on The Hub, and internationally was only shown in a small number of countries. Prime was more successful because more people saw it, more people had the opportunity to see it.

Transformers and GI Joe were both huge in the 1980s, but since then, Hasbro has considered Transformers a bigger priority. They've gone from treating GI Joe as a secondary concern that's profitable if handled well, to becoming just one of the properties they do nothing with, because they have Transformers, and they have the Marvel and Star Wars licenses. They don't need to take risks on other brands when they've cornered most of the action figure market between those three brands.

If Hasbro ever loses the Marvel license, and if Star Wars toy sales continue to decline, they might take a chance on GI Joe, but it's possible that there's something to the speculation that the people running Hasbro are uncomfortable with producing military toys.

They need to bring in another wrestler, and in turn give wrestling a G.I.Joe character.

Who do you all suggest for such a trading of ideas? I'd probably make the Joe character that goes to wrestling a masked Cobra character, so they could have various people play him if needed. Probably Big Boa.

Authors of Pain they wear combat gear and shit

Croc Master, his backstory is he's a former alligator wrestler.

Imagine if there had been 1980s wrestlers who dressed as Croc Master, Firefly, Destro and Serpentor for matches with Sgt Slaughter.

It’s a giant failure on Hasbros part that they never turned GI Joe into a class based shooter.

Rainbow 6 siege is basically modern GI Joe

Two guys named Akam and Rezar would fit in pretty damn well, yeah.

gi joe moba would actually be amazing

I'd pay good money for Serpentor to cut a promo and end it with the whole crowd chanting with him: THIS I COMMAND!

Have Studio Trigger do G.I. Joe and make a series based on that episode where Cobra rules an alternate Earth

They were dressed a lot like the Rise of Cobra movie Neo Vipers when they made their debut: youtu.be/fyz3KYffr7Q

Put the title on him.

Kane? The Messiah lives!!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was thinking that.

Should be a game that lets you use all the classic vehicles as well, something more like Star Wars Battlefront.

Army men and war and terrorism are too politically incorrect now. They should just rebrand as a spy thing like Mission Impossible.

Isn't Overwatch basically GI Joe --ish?

How do we finally kill political correctness and save the culture?

Fuck the boomers
GI Joe needs a TFA tier reinvention

Yeah. It's sort of a cross between GI Joe and superheroes. It's not seen as much as directly targeted towards kids though even though kids obviously play it. It has a more cartoonish feel.
An Overwatch-style GI Joe game would be amazing.

Pretty much.

I'd love to drive around a HISS tank.

It's not even that. Cobra was basically Wal-Mart/Umbrella in Renegades, and it just didn't take off. Either due to being on the Hub or general mismanagement. And G.I.Joe had been rebranded as "international heroes!" right after the movie, and that also didn't seem to help anything. It's possible G.I.Joe actually seems to "serious" to kids, who don't know how fucking absurd its roots are.

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Can we finally admit that Retaliation was actually good?

I enjoyed it, except it was tainted by association with the first film. It was weird that the first one was all about setting up Destro and they just got rid of him in the second one. They should have just done a hard reboot.

This never happened, because Slaughter's contract with Hasbro was a personal contract and not with a wrestling company. And was the reason why he bailed on AWA when he did, because Verne was pissy that he didn't get a cut of Slaughter's money.

>They should have just done a hard reboot.
Retaliation is the very definition of a soft reboot. Such an enjoyable film, they did right by Cobra. And the ninjas, especially those.