Why was she so fucking insane

they normally don't cry for others, but they can absolutely cry for themselves. Which is something she did at the end of the show. Just do a quick google search and you will find several such claims.

sociopaths can feel emotions(though usually not as strong as normal people), it's empathy that they mostly lack.
Azula only cried when she hit a breaking point, when everything she fought for her entire life broke down. Even sociopaths can be affected by something like this.

So why was it wrong for the Fire Nation to have colonies and to expand their territory? They claim balance when the four nations are separate, but is it really balance or peace?

She was a kid with issues, born in a family with an overly abusive father and a shitty mother. When her mom left, Ozai took over completely and focused only on his daughter's bad side, feeding it, turning her into a dependant living weapon. The only wish Azula had was to please her father, and after Mai and Ty Lee, those bitches betrayed her, her dad also abandoned her.
At this moment, her soul broke. The "monster" in head overtook her completely. Everything she believed in, everything she thought she loved, got destroyed and she realised she was completely alone, and it was too late. She entered a state of rage then, when she got defeated (or when the "monster" got defeated), the only remaining part was the abandoned young girl. That's the moment she broke in tears and began to spit fire. Her sanity was completely lost at this very moment.

What happened to Azula is terrible and monstruous. She was dangerous as a kid, not a doubt, but Ozai made her way, way worse.
Also, despite what many people say, she is not a psychopath. She has feelings and a genuine desire to please her father. A psychopath cannot have a mental breakdown like she had, because those people do not feel anything. Sometimes they don't even consider people real.
I blame many people for what happened to Azula (Ozai, Ursa, Ty Lee, Mai, Katara...), but not Azula herself.

She's my favorite TLA character btw. And my Yea Forums waifu

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maybe because they used genocide to follow that goal? First they genocide the entire air nomad culture, then they were going to destroy most of the earth kingdom.

>She has feelings and a genuine desire to please her father.
I don't see it. She only wanted to please him to further her own goals. Which is why she got pissed when he announced himself ruler of the entire planet(as in the phoenix whatever) right after she thought she became the highest ruler as the fire lord. She didn't care that he promoted himself, she wanted to be the highest leader herself.

>Also, despite what many people say, she is not a psychopath. She has feelings and a genuine desire to please her father. A psychopath cannot have a mental breakdown like she had, because those people do not feel anything.
Do you even know what a Psychopath actually is? Because sounds like you’re just making up criteria at this point to justify why this poorly written character isn’t one.

>maybe because they used genocide to follow that goal?
Just because you use genocide doesn't mean you're bad or something.The genocide wasn't even the goal of the invasion, but it was mainly to eliminate the Avatar who would lead the coalition against them. Genocide was a byproduct of the Avatar being a coward.

>Then they were going to destroy most of the earth kingdom.
The land would've been regrown and it was to put down the remaining partisan forces for unconditional surrender.

She was pretty empathetic when she told Zuko he was going to be killed when they were kids

She had goals at like 6? Her entire life was devoted to him, she saw what would happen to those who displeased him,( Zuko)

i should rewatch that scene for this discussion, but in my memory there was no empathy there, just mocking

I genuinely think Azula is sexually attracted to Zuko
I think she gets off to the idea of dominating and controlling him like her father controlled her and her brother. I don’t think this because of any sexual reason, I just genuinely think it’s one of her character motivations.
I think she genuinely has always wanted to rule with Zuko at her side if possible,

No she wasn’t, she took pleasure in it.

I think she was worried but just hid it behind the facade of being a bitch

He’ll just revive her

She still went out of her way to warn him. If she was a sociopath she wouldn’t give a shit in the first place. Telling him doesn’t benefit her at all

Also fuck I use the word “genuinely” a lot.

Zuko got to be far far away from their father's bullshit for several consecutive years, and had Iroh patiently trying to undo all the psychological damage
Azula did not.

>Just because you use genocide doesn't mean you're bad or something.
I'm gonna give you a moment to think about what you just typed.

she was way too strong and autistic as fuck to get any dick.

very genuine of ye

That’s why she had to take it from her brother.

What she got out of it was the pleasure of watching him squirm. Being unempathetic doesn’t exclude her from being a sadist.

Sociopaths feel emotions, just the bad ones like pride, rage, etc

She had no goals. She got elevated to fire Lord and cracked cause her father didn't need her anymore

She’s not a sadist, though. The series goes out if its way to show that

>She is a sadist, though. The series goes out if its way to show that
FTFY

Maybe she's born with it...

Sociopaths can still feel positive emotions, just not as much as normal people and in warped ways.

This, but also I think she coped by pushing away her frustrations, dissatisfaction and maybe even doubts by throwing herself toward the next task, the next objective. Surely, when everything is done and she's at the top, she will be satisfied, right?
But when Ozai give her what she thought she wanted, she's left behind with nothing to do but to realise none of it really matter to her. I think she actually cared about Mai and Ty Lee, and it's no coincidence she goes absolutely mad after their treason. Mai, Ty Lee, her brother all have things they care about, she doesn't. She focused so much on how to fight but has no reason to fight for. No cause, no love ones, nothing. That's why Mai words hurted her so much: she had something to fight for, while Azula only had the vacuous goal of being on the top.

I distinctly remember her being shown as not going out of her way to do shit like torture people more than necessary. She doesn’t enjoy causing pain she just enjoys being superior

The implication was that trying to live up to their father's expectations led to the development of unstable character traits. Given how he treated Zuko, Ozai was likely harsh on Azula for any failures, so she simply learned to never fail. Living with that constant need to be perfect would make one very neurotic at the least. Then there was Ozai instilling his predatory views on social interaction into her, making the idea of emotional intimacy alien to her despite what would be a critical need for such things at an early age.

So she basically never learned how to love and lived in constant fear of failing her father and thus ending the only stable relationship she's ever had

>I distinctly remember her being shown as not going out of her way to do shit like torture people more than necessary.
Then list these distinctly remembered moments that prove she doesn’t enjoy seeing people in pain, because her taunting and tormenting of Zuko gives a pretty clear picture of her sadistic tendencies.

Like as pride

It just seemed like the writers had to give her some kind of weakness since she was able to take on the entire group with ease. It would've helped if she was always unhinged but she was just this awkward and autistic tactical genius with immense power.
MAYBE IT'S MAYBELLINE

Some scoiopaths can liver relatively normal and well-adjusted lives never knowing that there's anything strictly wrong with them. It's a combination of nature and nurture, really.

>It would've helped if she was always unhinged but she was just this awkward and autistic tactical genius with immense power.
Like say, treating a friendly sporting match as a life or death battle?

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Remember all those times she tried to track down Zuko and spent the entire fight just blocking attacks or trying to solve things non-violently? Azula rarely, if ever, uses force if she doesn’t have to. She’s not a sadist

She didn't have someone like Iroh to set her on the right path and undo all the Fire Nation brainwashing

No, more like actually acting Loony during her attempt to take Ba-Sing-Sae, or throwing a tantrum after failing to get Zuko or Kill Iroh.

You know, something that actually would have funcntioned as a weakness and facet of her character, rather than something tacked on in a filler episode in the thrid season and used to justify her waterworks and survival in the finale.

>Remember all those times she tried to track down Zuko and spent the entire fight just blocking attacks or trying to solve things non-violently?
Because she was ordered to take him alive? Because she doesn’t take him seriously as a threat? Because the writers want to pad out the fight scene? There’s like a billion reasons why she would.
>Azula rarely, if ever, uses force if she doesn’t have to.
That’s not compassion, that’s energy conservation.

That's not "yelling at a mirror and hallucinating your mother is talking to you" levels of crazy. That was also played up for comedy. The whole episode was supposed to be lighthearted at the start with the antagonists reflecting on their troubles at the end. Azula talked about how she felt her mother thought she was a monster. There's trauma but she was very much aware of it. What happened later was her rejecting it and going full on crazy when she was left alone.

And then she has a nervous breakdown after losing to Zu... I mean Katara. Any other time Azula would've played it cool and waited until the perfect time to break free like she did during the eclipse.

Do you have brothers or sisters? Cause the only difference with a normal pair of siblings is power level.

A sadist would want to cause pain at any opportunity

>I'm gonna give you a moment to think about what you just typed.
Lets all be fair here. Genocide can be a viable option to certain problems encountered by two groups and one of them is being extremely unreasonable or doesn't seek a better peace. Some people just have to die in wave to have peace, we all just got to accept this.

She had an interest in bringing Zuko home, and in general seemed to show an odd favoritism towards him. She was notably soft on him, perhaps as part of some grand keikaku to make him into her fall guy, or maybe she just actually cared about him in some odd way.

Compare this to how she forces Ty Lee, her "friend", to join her by setting up her performance to be as dangerous as possible. She was clearly sadistic, she just had a blind spot for Zuko.

Calm down, fuhrer junior

I don't understand people who had such shit relationships with their siblings. I got along amiably with my sister as far back as I can remember

A sadist doesn’t make exceptions

Being a sadist doesn’t mean you’re an idiot. One’s hobbies don’t have to dominate their life, to the point of obstructing their goals or well being.

Her big kekaiku is, and always has been, to become Fire Lord and rule the world with Zuzu if possible. Probably was wet as fuck the entire time Zuko was with her in Ba Sing Se

Everyone makes exceptions. Exceptions are the basis of human bias.

It’s not a hobby, it’s a genuine mental illness

Pro-tip user, if your sibling relations ship resembles that of Zuko and Azula, or hell, probably most Royal siblings in general really, you probably didn’t have a good relationship.

It’s a mental illness, logic doesn’t follow

It genuinely isn’t. It’s tendency of the wicked, not some curse they have to follow.

>Calm down, fuhrer junior
I'm not saying we should go around committing genocide. I'm just saying its a tool to meet an end which cannot be resolved by any other means and sometimes you have to use it.

If Aang was willing to hand himself over the genocide wouldn't have happened, but if he didn't we all know the Air Benders would've fought tooth and nail to have the Avatar hidden and away somewhere else. Genociding the Airbenders was a means to an end of eliminating the threat of the Avatar you couldn't be too sure with those bald arrow degenerates. One of them could've been the Avatar pretending to be a normal Airbender.

Human bias has nothing to do with logic

Yeah, the 12 year old kid should have totally done it, after all of course he knew the fire nation were coming after him. Oh wait, that’s your imagination, not canon

Sadism is a real mental illness, and being insane is by definition not being logical

Again, to show a bias is not logical. In most cases it's the opposite. People are very bad at being fair or logical, regardless of mental illness.

“Sadistic personality disorder is a personality disorder involving sadism which appeared in an appendix of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-III-R).[1] The later versions of the DSM (DSM-IV, DSM-IV-TR and DSM-5) do not include it.”
Modern medical science does not consider Sadism a disorder.

Azula does not enjoy causing pain. She enjoys dominating others, especially her brother, but does not revel in causing pain or suffering.

Remember how Zuko had issues as well? He constantly struggled between being loyal to his family or doing the right thing.
One could assume that Azula had the same internal turmoil, but simply dealt with it by suppressing it. Once being betrayed a few times and left behind by Ozai she snaps from the pressure

She's a deeply sad character.

She was a daddy's girl - she idolized her highly achived, distanced father - whose Daddy didn't want a girl, and whose son wasn't the prodigy he wanted to succeed him. She tried to be his prodigal son, and to win his affection, but Daddy ultimately didn't really care no matter how good she got because she wasn't what he imagined succeeding him. This lead to her becoming more and more ruthless, with herself and others, to try and achieve the impossible. She ends up with some pride from her father and she ends up being held up as an example while never actually winning. This is why she is so intent in her hunt of Zuko, where a rational person would have said "just let him die out there."

She ultimate cracked under the stress, and also the shame of all the terrible things she couldn't admit to herself were terrible once she realized her Dad wouldn't ever accept her and love, and that her Dad wasn't worthy of being the justification. She would never get the love she got the faintest hint of from her mother, and the personality she developed meant she ultimately cut out all of her friends - and, ultimately ,her self hatred meant nobody who would ever accept her could be any good.

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Not that user and I'm not sure what to think of Azula's character, but IMO the oddest action from her was taking down the Kyoshi warriors alive and imprisoning them, instead of just fighting them to the death like the show originally appeared to imply. That was a lot more kind than what I was expecting from her. The Kyoshi warriors were competent fighters and I can't imagine them surrendering easily, but for some reason Azula still took care to keep them alive.

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Bargaining chips against the Avatar and co.

The last panel here weirds me out. She's taunting Zuko while they're alone, and then she pretends to be scared when talking with their mother. But in the end she still warns both Zuko and Ursa, and then smiles like everything's going according to her plans.

Did she want their mom to hear what was going on so that she would take action against the Firelord? Or was she just doing everything for the fun of it, and watching in fascination as everything spiraled into trainwrecks? Did she really intend to save Zuko even if she acted like she didn't care, or was that an unintended side effect of whatever she was doing?

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She cares about Zuko and thinks her mother sees her as a monster

Psycopaths usually get a kick out of seeing how people react to distressing situations

Are you the creepy one at your school?

>One could assume that Azula had the same internal turmoil,
One could assum, but it would be a very faulty assumption as she never showed even the slightest inclination to be a good person. Even in the midst of her breakdown, it was about not being loved and being seen as a monster, not about her betraying her morals or actually being one.

There’s nothing sad about her. She was terrible to the core and reveled in her terribleness, only starting to regret things when her world started crumbling around her. She deserved what she got, but she still didn’t get all she deserved.

To this day, I will never understand why no one did go Jack the Ripper on Azula or Ozai's ass. No "Standing Here" moments.

Because they realized they made her a Mary Sue is book 2 so decided to go just as far in the opposite direction and have her lose for no reason instead of win for no reason like she did when conquering the earth kingdom by wearing a green dress. Azula was consistently the worst written part of the show.

But it's ok because I want to fuck her, right?

This post smells of discord tranny

Since she had a positive influence in her life trying to teach her normal morals, Ursa, she knew what she was doing was wrong. Without that she wouldn't have thought what she was doing was monstrous. If she only had Ozai she wouldn't be questioning her actions and I don't believe she would have crumbled under the weight of it.

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Too many people would want her head, and Aang can't save her from them all. See that Avatar is based on Asian culture, Asians execute there criminals/ enemies. They would hold a trial, and then give her a death sentence.

Reminder that Zuko and Azula canonically have a very sexual relationship and the reason she wasn’t seen in Korra is because she made Zuko fuck her until she literally drowned in his cum
This is all canon

What dude? They were both royalty and both extremely powerful. Who the fuck is going to go "Jack the Ripper" on them?

>Royalty never been overthrown or dealt with.
Nigga read a history book.

>season 2 director jokes that Azula is Lin Beifong's father
>degenerate porn is made
What is wrong with you people!

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It’s a 12 year old that can’t wrap their head around emotional conflict
>duh I just want people to punch each other and KILL each other

If I could fuck Toph or Azula I would
I don’t care if Azula would probably get me killed or if Toph has more testosterone in her body than I do, I’d go for it

see

She’s the second strongest Firebender in the world, no one COULD kill her or capture her

What did the writers mean by this scene?

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>second strongest Firebender in the world
Iroh and the General would've ran circles around Azula.

Aang > Iroh >= Sozin > General > Zuko > Azula

youtube.com/watch?v=CaQxfs-lOFg
Strength in numbers. Azula is just a female Lu-Bu. Guess what Lu-Bu was dealt with.

>attuiburing an absolutely true and correct viewpoint with discord trannies
Nice try undercover discord tranny.

>posts Anime image
>is wrong
It checks out

I don't think Aang was actually that good of a firebender without avatar state buffs

Aang had a natural talent for firebending until "Oh no I burned Katara, firebending is bad because I made a mistake playing with it."
>Katara then proceeded to heal herself like nothing happened and get words from a self-hating Firebending traitor.

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> Iroh come back from the front
> Offer a dagger to Zuko and a doll to Azula
I wonder if Iroh just didn't knew about his niece and offered a girl gift and a boy gift without any more thought or if he was trying to push them in the right direction. Zuko needing to get tougher and Azula to calm the fuck down.
To Azula it was clearly the latter. She took it as an insult, thinking she was not considered as seriously as her brother despite outclassing him already.

I saw two different wrong posts at different times, sue me.

But seriously, was the Azula/Zuko subtext intentional or not? The bedroom scene in the awakening and the dragon scene in Zuko’s dream makes me think that it’s intentional

There was no subtext or sexual intentions. Stop being a degenerate.

Bryke’s intentional attempts at hinting romance are about as subtle as a sledgehammer and as well constructed as a Taurus Handgun.

Did she know of their relationship with the avatar?

The creators have even joked about it user

So yes?

>I still believe dick could have saved her. And no, not Zuko's.

I respectfully disagree, Zukos's dick is exactly what she both wanted and needed most.

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insane?
she did nothing wrong

Well, he was gone for atleast 2 years by then, wasn't he? And we don't know just how much time he spent in the field.
It's quite possible that he had no knowledge of Azulas' prowess.

Azula had zero chance of getting dick that wasn't Zuko's

She was probably just born that way.

Children who abuse and kill animals are budding sociopaths/psychopaths.

She was too strong for that, only the weak can be penetrated(faggots and straight women) Azula can only be a lesbian or an asexual virgin.

Except she wasn't insane, she was bottling discontent for herself until it exploded.

Zuko refused to give her the dick, so she went insane.

Seriously, she needed help, she was just a kid with some issues

lack of satisfaction with one's situation is neither material nor measurable by conventional means, so it is impossible to put it inside the bottle. Nor does it have explosive qualities.

Clearly it's a genetic disorder. Her father and grandfather were also crazy.

Fuck off and build a tree house, Rogal.

Okay, seriously, killing everyone else for your own ambitions is not a good thing. The Fire Nation tried to destroy all other kinds of bending by killing them all and destroying power sources, not make peace or seek other means in any way, and were basically led by a warmongering shit. Their plans routinely involved throwing the balance of nature off kilter, and assuming they could deal with it. Like killing the moon spirits. Or making the Airbenders extinct. Or trying to make the water and earthbenders extinct too, because Glorious Leader commands it

Seems like something someone from the mud kingdom would say.

To be fair, the royals aren't normally able to bend primal elements to their wills, and are also not normally at least among the strongest practitioners of such arts in their lands.

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Could you do one where it’s Steven Universe instead of Zuko?

No, she would have fucked her brother. Penetration is not the only path to dominance.

No, that’s autistic and Steven is for that green meme one according to my porn folder

This
Girl would have chained up her brother and had a new throne built around him, with a hole for his dick going straight up into her ass

True, but Scrapper hates Steven more than Zuko

I’m too lazy just get a pic of his face and drag it over the picture in paint or something

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>Or making the Airbenders extinct
And it worked and nothing bad happened.

>The Fire Nation tried to destroy all other kinds of bending by killing them all and destroying power sources,
Bending is unnatural anyways.

>Like killing the moon spirits.
Fuck the moon spirits. The Sun still exists and the Moon celestial body still existed. Nothing wrong with getting rid of them, besides Spirits are assholes with no respect to Human in the first place.

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Fuck off Scrapper

It's true and you know it. Azula fucking Zuko woulnd't "fix" her, though I'm sure she'd feel satisfaction. Rather, it would put him under her control in a way she never quite successfully got in the show.

Strong women only can be asexual loners or slutty lesbians, just look at Korra even the SJW change her to like pussy because she was a strong chick.

Trash opinions
People like you are the reason the cute tomboys of the world are going extinct

Wtf are you talking about autistic faggot?Also what i said is the truth in real life and in fiction, dealt with it.

In other words, you are scared of strong woman in the way that dooms you to inceldom. And ensures you will never know the joy of a french blowjob

>Also what i said is the truth in real life and in fiction, dealt with it.
Wanna know how i can tell you’re either a Tumblr refugee or an /r9k/ poster who got lost?

But Zuko is a hotter alternative.

Surely we can all enjoy a hot pairing that also enrages Scrappy.

I'm a an asexual woman and inceldom is a meme for insecure teenager like you, neckbeard.

Assuming you are telling the truth and not just dropping a card here, how are you any judge on sexuality at all, since you have no idea how somebody who actually wants a penis in their vagina might think?

I'm very cringe-worthy, I had a dream where me and Azula talked about birth control and how condoms are our only option and I got sad (to myself).

I'm serious, based off no real experiences might I add.

So a tumblr refugee then? Same difference really, but still.

About what? Azula wanting to fuck his brother?

Sex with her father and later lack of sex

Oh not just her brother, but about how she had to be a lesbian or asexual because peneteration was weakness, and how that was the reason for Korra being lesbian, rather than Bryke just wanting a shield from criticism.

Don’t try and play coy buddy, you wanna argue, you gotta own up to the dumbass shit you said and supported.

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Since Azula is quite prepared to fuck her brother, and is a strong woman, that would indeed place her beyond the direct experience of an asexual's judgement.

Also don't misgender Azula you problematic piece of shit.

I think Azula was Ozai's Himmler, a genuine believer as opposed to Ozai that is just memeing for more power.

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Because is the truth and you know that, be sincere, even SJW have problems with the idea of strong female character who are sexual active and straight.

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Nah, tumblr is for underage straight girls who l who want every handsome dude to be gay and /r9k/ is for depressed and delusional straight dudes who want to fuck with 10/10 women.

They can cry...but thy don't have genuine feelings.She could fel hate, betrayal, anger, smugness...and regret. She felt bad enough about making Tylee cry that she comforted her after.She could feel enough love that her best friends were merely imprisoned and apparently none the worse for wear after, instead of having them executed on the spot for opposing and attacking her. They threatened *and* did violence to the royal fucking heir. That's "Death By A Thousand Cuts" territory.

No; The Vulva of Tylee is what she needs.

This.

>after losing to Zu... I mean Katara
No, she lost to Zuko. Pretty sure one-on-one ritual honor duels don't involve murdering bystanders. She wasn't trying to win the Agni-Kai, she was trying to kill Zuko by any means possible.

>Sociopaths are basically Nobodies?

>Nah, tumblr is for underage straight girls who l who want every handsome dude to be gay
Are you a time traveler, or have you just been living under a rock?

She only lost in the high horse sense. By any other legitmate standards, Zuko had to job in his climactic final battle to overcome his final challenge because the writers didn’t know what to do with Katara.

Well i just say I don't care about tumblr, why an asexual virgin woman like me will do in a place for underage straight girls?I'm 26 not a teenager girl....I just post here sometimes when I bored because everyone can post here whatever shit they think without much problems.