Should the Marvel Universe be "the world outside your window"...

>but this could've been before that.
It wasn't, this comic released in 2013 was set in the present day.

Plus it has Sam Alexander

"World Outside Your Window" worked when it wasn't like three big events every year, with writers going over-the-top with things. Spider-Man's and Daredevil's adventures didn't always overlap with things the Avengers were doing, so their worlds felt comparatively contained.

Nowadays you'd have to logically change things because everything is more integrated and people keep doing planet-destroying events.

No it wasn't, in fact there was a Wizard article where, back when Ultimates happened, editorial still wanted to keep the public mostly unaware of aliens, and so a lot of people didn't believe the alien invasion in Ultimates happened.

You're more correct about it.

>Cap literally nuked a city
>It is k
>Tony went full fascist
>It is k
>Once every while some random hero snapped a dude's neck in half or turned a villain or two into kebab
>It is k
>Pym slapped a bitch one time
>Keep getting shit on for it

Suffering

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To logically map out changes of society its not easy for writers.
Especialy when writers always coming and leaving and events depending on popularity of characters and items in it.
Developing universe that always changes ways of development would end up completely mess.

Its better for them to fully integrate sliding timescale into continiuty and lampshade situation like in OP pic as cases of events "falling-out" of time.
Like suddenly everyone forgets about alien visits because all of it slid away from timeline

>>Cap literally nuked a city
>>It is k
That was Captain Hydra, not Captain America. And he actually does still get shit for it in-universe.

>Like suddenly everyone forgets about alien visits because all of it slid away from timeline

But that doesn't make any sense. Current events from the real world would slide out of the timeline. Things like Kree/Skrull war or Secret Invasion would still be part of the timeline.

But Mr. Smith I'm literally dating a Skrull right now! Jenny! She is over there in the corner! She's shape shifting RIGHT NOW!
>See me after class, Rob.

>But that doesn't make any sense. Current events from the real world would slide out of the timeline. Things like Kree/Skrull war or Secret Invasion would still be part of the timeline.

Why? Its Marvel that who setting the rules.

Sliding timescale was mentioned in Ultimates - "timeline is broken by constant timetravels" or something like that - but it didn't went anywhere as far I remember.
It could be explored - in some event about timetravels. Temporal war of sorts.

What he means is that the events of the Kree-Skrull War and Secret Invasion are still considered canon and referenced in modern stories.

>Why? Its Marvel that who setting the rules.

The original purpose of a sliding timeline is to avoid saying that Reed and Ben were around in World War II or Peter Parker was in college during the 1970's, to SLIDE them to modern day instead of starting out in the 60's. There was nothing there about getting rid of the Fantastic Four's encounter with aliens. Did you misinterpret it or is 2010's Marvel so fucking inept that they actually thought that's how the sliding timeline works?

The idea that marvel is supposed to be as close to the real world as possible is cancer because no one behaves like they do in real life. they're just these absurd architypes of people living in this cardboard cutout world where everthing is totally balck and white and all these heroes have all these hyper modern egalitarian ideas becasue all the villains are literally hitler and every one is an under privileged super genius. its so far removed from the nature of real life its not even funny but then youre a nazi if you thought black panthers sister was obnoxious.

I'm sure that sounded smart in your head, zoomer.

There is also second level of complexity. For example there is Spider-Man, teenager that got bitten by radioactive spider. In scientific laboratory. That researches radiation. And, logicaly, some scientist would stumble on effect that (Marvel comics universe) radiation have on living beings, research it and create "radiotransfering" field of study- sciense of grafting people with animal powers. And after some years there would be an army of spider-men.
And then...
And then...
Eventualy, after several decades of such scientific development biology and medicine would be unimaginable different.

As far I know something like that happened with Stark technology.
In 616 universe armor suits is quite common now.

But if we consider all possiblities that comics book science opens in ways of changing society we come up with some crazy world, populated more likely by non-humans.

I'm trying to rationalize stagnation using sliding timescale like Marvel's timey-wimey stuff.
They not using it like that, but they can.

They certainly wants to keep 616 close to reality. And at the same time they wants to constant epic events to happen.
And only something nonsensal like "falling-out events" can possibly tie that ideas together.

Yeah, with the 60's Marvel stuff a lot of people got their abilities from radioactive stuff. Spider-Man, Hulk, Daredevil, for starters. Someone would be researching at least the gamma radiation stuff, since enough people know that Banner became the Hulk. With Matt Murdock, at least up until people learned he was Daredevil, people probably just assumed the radioactive stuff made him blind.

Spider-Man's origin depends on if the researchers were even aware of a spider falling into the experiment.

>zoomer
Go back to /pol/

maybe authors should think up new ideas instead of being shackled to decades-old ones?

Reed Richards actively holds back his scientific discoverments as deal with government so the F4 are left alone in all of this. At the end of the day, I imagine it's sort like what we have going on - sure there's modern treatments to a shit ton of things, but if you don't have the money to live in these kind of spheres you won't ever see them. Additionally, a lot of scientists go rogue over their discoveries, take Toxic Doxie or Jackal for example. The former has a genetic plug-in treatment and is a mercenary to be essentially a freelancer. She's given herself antiseptic saliva, poisonous fingernails, all for shits and giggles. Jackal makes clones with entire intact memories and upgraded abilities.

Can you IMAGINE the conspiracy theories going wild over in 616? Outside of the boring antisemitism ones.

Which is the sort of thing that could make for an interesting short run, but I wouldn't trust Marvel (or DC for that matter) to manage that across a whole setting for more than a couple of weeks.

>Every politician, rich person, and superhero ever would be suspected of being a Skrull. Or part of Hydra.
>Mutants are mind-controlling us!
>The Genosha genocide is a hoax. There's no way that 16 million muties died on that island.
>The real Captain America died during the War. Every time Cap "comes back to life", it's just another guy wearing the same suit. Every hero that comes back to life is probably just a fraud too.
>Dungeons & Dragons was invented by Mephisto

With teachers like this, no wonder Sam's an idiot.

>>The Genosha genocide is a hoax. There's no way that 16 million muties died on that island.
Especially since Magneto is a holocaust survivor, you'd just know that /pol/ would meme him to death.

Didn't Norman Osborn once get declared savior of the world by most of America because he shot a Skrull on TV once? You can't do that and then have people claim that there is no evidence of aliens.

What it was supposed to be.

What it ended up as.

I hate the sliding timeline and think marvel should have a big event where everything as a result moves to real-time. Morrison would do it in a heartbeat. That way they can kill off their legacy characters and move the multicultural replacements in more naturally.

Superheros should not, by default, try to be realistic, because a lot of the conventions of the genre that were put there early on end up sabotaging the believability of these stories

Marvel can't be the world outside your window. So much wacky shit happens that world would be fundamentally changed and unrecognizable to us. The world should have been destroyed long ago in some Superhuman arms race

Surely there is a middle ground.

>Or should things that would logically change society have ramifications?
Yes but that would require not only world-building but keeping track of and maintaining that world. Comics publishers can't be bothered to spend the time and energy.

>Pym slapped a bitch one time
Hank knows to keep his pimp hand strong!

Honestly, "the world outside your window" angle doesn't work any more. These days with the internet, social media, and the 24 hour news cycle, societal trends and and public perceptions can take 3 different and unrelated 180 turns between issues. Makes it kinda impossible to not seem hackey and out of touch by bringing up old news

Are there any series where superpowers/abilities exist for all of known history?

>The real Captain America died during the War. Every time Cap "comes back to life", it's just another guy wearing the same suit.
There's a Dark Horse comic called The American that explores this.

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>The real Captain America died during the War. Every time Cap "comes back to life", it's just another guy wearing the same suit. Every hero that comes back to life is probably just a fraud too.

There's precedence for this. There's been about twenty Captain Americas by now, but six of them were active in WWII and the Cold War.