Don't read comics, but saw Spiderverse. How accurate is movie Miles world to comic book Miles world?
In the comics, is his Uncle a supervillain? Is Miles an aspiring graffiti artist? Is Doc Ock a girl, Peter Parker blonde, Green Goblin an actual monster, etc.
Miles is shit
the movie is nothing likes Miles' books that's why people like the movie.
I haven't really read Miles' comics, but from what I've seen is pretty much right.
From what I undestand
>Miles' uncle is still Prowler, but he's just a 100% asshole rather than being somewhat sympathetic.
>Miles' attachment to him isn't because he helps him express his creativity, but basically because his uncle gave him candy or something when he was a kid or something.
>Miles is from the Ultimate universe where Norman does turn into a big Hulk Goblin monster.
>Peter isn't blonde in Ultimate universe.
>Doc Ock isn't a female in the Ultimate universe and was also killed by Norman.
>but basically because his uncle gave him candy or something when he was a kid or something.
>In the comics, is his Uncle a supervillain?
Yes.
>Is Miles an aspiring graffiti artist?
No.
>Is Doc Ock a girl
There was a female Doc Ock kinda in 616
>Peter Parker blonde
Ben Reily (Peter Parker’s Clone) dyed his hair blonde
>Green Goblin an actual monster
Ultimate Comics version of Green Goblin was yes. He got his powers from the Oz formula which made him a hulking monster that shot fireballs.
comic miles was a racist stereotype poor kid from the streets story and had zero character other than being a black spider-man with mary sue OP powers.
This.
Miles in the comic sucks. His character is based on nothing more than being a multi cultural spider man instead of doing something orginal and being his own thing, oh yeah, and the comics try their hardest to push him has the first black spiderman when there has been others before him. In short he's nothing more than a token character taken to racist extremes on the other end of the spectrum.
Movie Miles >> current comic Miles >>>>>>> power gap > Bendis’ Miles
You better pray for more Miles in Spiderverse because he’s by far the best incarnation of him
Movie Miles is an actual character with traits that lead to development. Comics Miles is "what if Peter Parker was black/hispanic?"
The comics are terrible for the most part.
Movie miles got more character development in his first 2 minutes than comic miles got in 2 years worth of stories.
>"I don't want to be just black Spider-Man."
>fights crime in a black Spider-Man costume
Miles works better in red than black.
>"I made it myself."
>Literally stole a costume from Peter's workshop and painted it black
Well, he made the design of it
>How accurate is movie Miles world to comic book Miles world?
It's not much like what Comic Miles is now, but probably pretty close to what comic Miles is going to be after the next big reboot.
Pete stole his original one as well.
FPBP.
Miles is a terrible character. The movie was thankfully short enough that you didnt get to experience just how terrible of a character he is.
But it worked better thematically when Miles big design involved a blacked out silhouette and then when he makes something of himself, it's the same design.
Are you responding to your own post?
>racist stereotype poor kid from the streets story and had zero character other than being a black spider-man
A lot of the complaints I hear about Miles on are that he and his background aren't "black" enough, and that Peter is actually more relatable to a black person.
I like to believe Peter took this costume and color it red.
>A lot of the complaints I hear about Miles on are that he and his background aren't "black" enough
Those are also the same people complaining ages ago that a black Spiderman wouldn't work because there's no such thing as a black nerd who takes photographs.
Thats hilarious, does he keep contradicting himself even more?
>Miles' attachment to him isn't because he helps him express his creativity, but basically because his uncle gave him candy or something when he was a kid or something.
What the flying fuck is this serious? How unloved is this motherfucker in the comics?
Movie miles is the best incarnation of miles ever. He got Bendis'd before it was a thing
'Blacker' = chuck in more broader, vaguely negative stereotypes and attributes (afro/cornrows! constantly spouts gangsta/street lingo! former gang member! grew up in a broken home! high-school dropout!)?
How can these people call themselves 'allies' when this is how they actually perceive and think of their supposed charges?
No.
Is this your first day on Yea Forums?
We've all been shitting on Miles for like, 7 years now.
It's the same kind of people who think diversity inherently makes a product better or say things like, "I'm not racist, I have black friends".
They believe the only kind of racism exists in a negative capacity such as refusing to hire someone because they're black and not in any biased capacity such as specifically hiring a guy because he's black.
>We've
You mean just you, and everyone knows you're the only one on the board saying Movie Miles is bad, and making excuses to say Miles was never good.
No, I mean everyone for at least the last 7 years, considering that Miles has never had a single decent comic appearance.
I don't know who you think you're kidding here.
You're backpedaling again.
they aren't the only one, I want to like miles but. he aint good, his interactions with the rhino have been the only thing keeping me reading his books
he's shit and I want that to change but it probably wont
I wish so god damn bad he gets rebooted
Movie Miles is a bare bones character who provides nothing of value or uniqueness to the spider-man franchise. The PS4 version is better simply for the reason of being organically written into the story instead of being grafted into a franchise
Name one, so we can all proceed to laugh at you.
Nigger went through an entire multiverse ending reboot in which the only “massive status quo changing” thing is his addition to the marvel universe. No one wants to reboot him because they know no one actually cares except the fans of the books and the writers prefer the infighting to buoy “fan” of Miles support rather than good writing
Everything you liked about movie Miles?
Comic book has none of it.
movie actually gives miles some character. where as the comic book he is the black kid with spider powers and nothing but.
We're already laughing at your pathetic excuse for complaining.
whose we? and why won't you answer the question?
Budget cuts mean that nuMarvel isnt sending their best shills.
They've gotta go back.
And honestly, all they have to do is either scroll up or down to see that they're the only one defending Miles.
You don't want Miles to be good. You shouldn't want Miles to be good.
The sooner we all forget Miles the less money Bendis gets.
I liked Miles in Gwenpool too, Benis is just a trash writer.
>The PS4 version is better simply for the reason of being organically written into the story instead of being grafted into a franchise
PS4 Miles is just as "grafted on" and is just as bland as comic Miles, I don't get why people pretend he's any better.
>I want Yea Forums stuff to be bad to spite a single writer
The absolute state of Yea Forums.
I'm not saying I like him any better but at least they tried to write him into peters life without just killing him off. Though if we could I'd rather have not had to deal with him at all
Miles main problems in the comics are not having anything on his own so he will stay just black spider-man and being written by Bendis. Just Miles being into art instead of science helps to differate from Peter. He doesn't have that in the comics.
Bendis is now gone to fuck up Superman instead at least. Hopefully under new writers they'll do something interesting with him soon. And I don't mean pairing him up with Pete's old girlfriend.
Miles is shit, has been shit, and will continue to be shit. The fact that bendis makes money off of him just makes it worse.
>Though if we could I'd rather have not had to deal with him at all
They think Peter needs an 'urban' sidekick or some shit.
No that’s just the user oversimplifying it. Basically Aaron was the cool uncle type as far as Miles knew with his father not wanting Miles to be going around him because he knew of Aaron’s past with crime (not knowing about the Prowler stuff) and found him a bad influence. Him giving him candy was no different than when you have someone over and give them snacks.
Eh, comic book versions of anything are now just bad. Cartoons is where the new official good canon lies. The comic books of anything are just dumpster grounds full with garbage ideas and some few good ideas that need to be refined into something well digestable.
They think peter needs to be replaced, at no point has anyone besides Insomniac ever tried to genuinely quantify Miles into peters life. Bendises origin for Miles is killing pete and Miles taking the name "reluctantly" but his "first" meeting with pete in 616 is him literally swinging up to peter out of no where (even though he shouldn't have the web shooters since pete gives them to him after they meet) and asks to use the spider-man name, that's it
>I want co stuff to be good because of a single movie
It doesn't change the fact that Miles is meant to be a wholesale replacement for peter yet had never had a single good moment in 8 years except half of a movie. Even then the things people are most excited for in the next movie are references it can make and not where the story can go
That looks stupid.
I think most people oversimplying Aaron Davis, he does care about miles but he allows his powers go to his head.
>Eh, comic book versions of anything are now just bad. Cartoons is where the new official good canon lies. The comic books of anything are just dumpster grounds full with garbage ideas and some few good ideas that need to be refined into something well digestable.
Yea Forums‘s new banner.
at the end of the day Aaron is just a Chaotic evil Hobi rather than true neutral and we only feel sympathy for him because of the connection to Miles and not because of who he is
Honestly why doesn't Miles drop the hyphen? Pete makes it a point to use the hyphen why does Miles just drop it at least then he could partially claim his name is different. Spider-man peter, Spiderman Miles
In the Ultimate Universe, Scorpion is Mexican, Green Goblin is a monster and his uncle is Prowler. The rest? Not so much.
>poor kid from the streets
He had a pretty decent home.
The main thing you have to understand is that Bendis writing miles is the absolute worst thing in existence and it only took a single movie written by somebody else to make people like him in 1 shot
In terms of comics Prowler being his uncle was kept, but everything else especially Female Doc was brand new
I'm not really sure what you think that would fix. He would still just be knockoff blackface "Spiderman".
Are we talking about movie or comic?
If we talking about comic version. then no, his motivianal was trying to get money from inventions while the ulitmate version was just a greedy thief.
I'm just looking for any avenue for him to make his own name and that's it and since its racsits to point out that the only reason he's gained any "traction" in the 8 years with no good stories or villains is because of the name he's taken. It may also provide some decent laugh lines where people would see him and say "Its Spider-man!" and he could shoot back "No that's the other guy I'm Spiderman"
Comic Aaron is actually evil where as you said Hobi was just down on his luck
That's so fucking awful that it would fit perfectly with an awful character like Miles.
yeah I wasn't proud that I wrote that, but if Bendis can build an entire career out of terrible writing I can make an anonymous post or two that are awful
Then he isn't hobbie brown if his personality, motivation, history, relationships are different.
It is like saying Ben reily is Peter parker
>Miles is shit, has been shit, and will continue to be shit. The fact that bendis makes money off of him just makes it worse.
Wanting him to be shit is just retarded though.
>>I want co stuff to be good because of a single movie
You say that like it's bad to want something to be good, are you that fucking miserable because of capeshit?
>I'm just looking for any avenue for him to make his own name and that's it
Okay.
But... why?
"Blackface Peter Parker" is an absolutely idiotic idea for a character. Like, right from the start, it's bad, even as far as rip-off Spider-people go, which in itself has already been disguistingly over done.
And seeing as how he's never had a single good comic appearance despite existing for nearly a decade now, and being shilled to hell and back, it's not like you can say "I want Miles to be a good character again!", because he has always been shit, because he's a shit idea.
MCU took comic Miles and said 'This is Peter Parker now.' Spider Verse team went 'Well shit, guess we have to do something fresh'.
The result being that SV Miles builds off the key notes of the character but is more well rounded and his arc of wanting to live up to a superhero legacy feels a bit less mopey.
>Blackface Peter Parker
He isn't.
I agree with you whole heartedly buddy but like here the fucker exists and people will ignore all of his problems or his racist creation because of wokeness. The bitch won an oscar and we're never getting rid of him, no matter how shitty he is or how much he hurts peter both conceptually and in his literal treatment at Marvel
Well as long as you feel like you're the one being oppressed
Did you quote the wrong post? What does Miles being terrible have to do with "oppression"?
>In the comics, is his Uncle a supervillain?
Yes Prowler exists there and is still Aaron Davis.
>Is Miles an aspiring graffiti artist?
Don't remember
>Is Doc Ock a girl?
In an another universe, yes, I don't know for Miles' one though
>Peter Parker blonde
Probably not
>Green Goblin an actual monster
They fused the classic design with the one from Ultimate Spider-Man where he buff af
Make your move, OP.
>A hulking monster that shot fireballs
So basically Bowser's appearance and Ridley's personality
To say comic Miles is Peter is to say you think Peter is boring and also show you don't even fucking read comics.
>you don't even fucking read comics.
There it is, the eternal cry of the marvelcuck.
Spiderverse Miles is better because it gets rid of the retarded mary sue/jesus bullshit that Bendis used to slather the character in.
In the comics Miles never met Peter Parker but still shared a special bond with him. Peter dies, and then Miles swooped in and took all his friends and family for his own with them just falling for him immediately, including Aunt May, and then proceeds to go through pretty much the exact same fucking shit that Peter did but instead of Uncle Ben it's "what would Peter do, this guy who I never actually met but I'm taking all his shit for myself?"
It was retarded and gay, at least when it came time to kill the Ultimate universe and Bendis played favorites to have Miles transferred over to 616 he at least started to become his own guy with his own circle and shit, but then he became a shittier character because Bendis insists that Miles still do exactly the fucking same shit as before so he even though he was removed from Peter he didn't get to move on like Peter has done long ago.
And for that last paragraph of questions: yes, no, no, no, and he is now but used to only be so in Ultimate.
>telling people to read comics is now a bad thing
The absolute municipality of Yea Forums
>I can't argue against a single thing you've said, so I'm just going to claim you don't read comics!
Yep, it's a marvelcuck.
Your next line will be calling everyone else casuals, despite the fact that you only read baby-tier shit like nuMarvel.
I wish I could not read comics, they're just so fucking terrible today
Here's an interesting questions what're Miless character flaws?
Explain how Miles and Peter are the same yet you still somehow like Peter. Please keep in mind that I'm not saying Miles is good, retard, just that he isn't like Peter.
>Here's an interesting questions what're Miless character flaws?
Holy fuck not everyone who argues against certain complaints about Miles thinks he's good, why the fuck do you dumb niggers always jump to that conclusion?
>"Explain why you like Sonic the Hedgehog, but don't like Deviantart Domut Steel OC Sonic Knockoff #59275930!"
It's the exact same principle, you dumb marvelcuck.
>Why do you like the genuine article better than this Chinese knockoff
????????????????????????????????
That's retarded because Miles has none of the characteristics that made people like Peter, you're just parroting some retard's opinion that you read here because you're just as much of an idiot.
Bad comparison because Chinese knockoffs always lack all of the appealing qualities of the original and only share a name and look, to call Miles a Chinese knockoff is to admit he isn't the same as Peter.
>>Peter Parker blonde
>Probably not
I got the impression this was lowkey hint at the clone saga/ben Reilly shout out.
You really have to blame Bendis for how he wrote, pitched, and supervised comics Miles. He may be the one who created the character but, as we all know full well on Yea Forums, this doesn't necessarily mean he's the one who knows how best to handle him.
As many people have already pointed out, Miles is simply described as being "Peter Parker but black" though that isn't entirely correct. You see, the way Miles takes up the mantle of Spider-Man in the comics is this:
He got bit by a radioactive spider and finds out about his powers, but ends up sitting on them for a bit. Then he wakes up in the middle of the night because he "sensed" something and ran off from the midst of NYC over to the outskirt suburbs to find Peter dead and a bunch of people around his corpse, to which Miles asks "who was he?". From there Miles moves into Peter's life and assumes everything he did and had. I mean it. Peter dies, and then Miles inexplicitly shows up immediately to take over for his life quite literally, right down to hanging out with the same non-super friends that Peter did. It came off as being extremely ham-fisted and in very poor taste given how quickly it all happens. The only real difference is that instead of Harry Osbourn being the friend character it's a fat asian kid who nobody can remember because as far as Bendis is concerned his only reason for existing is so that Miles has something to bounce his thoughts off of instead of doing an inner monologue.
>How unloved is this motherfucker in the comics?
Bendis gave him his own personal haram of superpowered thots and has been banging Spider-Gwen in the comics for a long time.
>Mile
>Same set of power BUT THIS TIME HE CAN SHOOT SPIDAH LAZOR AND TURN INVISIBLE BECAUSE HE IS COOLER AND STRONGER AND COOLER
>Oops you let Mile touched you so you lost
>Antagonists are all Petah's sloppy seconds
>Get everything that belonged to Beetor handed over to him on a shiny plate from the wrist launcher, web fluid to his fucking suit
>Not a shitty character
Will you admit that there's such a thing as just a plain bad character?
Miles is the prime example of "That which is good is not original, and that which is original is not good."
Miles would be great character; a normal kid who gets bit by a radioactive spider, gains spider powers, has to juggle his super hero life and normal life while maintaining his secret identity, quips his way webslinging around the city, etc...
...except oh wait, someone already did that, and the few things Bendis changed about it (Look, he's even better than the old Spider-Man because he can turn invisible and gimmick blast his enemies!) are fucking terrible.
Because his entire existence is disingenuous honestly I’ve been in your position of hating Miles but not wanting the argument to devolve into racial shit but the reason Bendis created him and the reason he gets consistently pushed at Marvel is racial shit. So the debate is always over before it begins with people hating miles for the plethora of awful books he’s been in and the shitty books he’s been in and the “pro miles people” ignore those to hop on the handful of people just saying they hate him cause he’s a nigger. Now I’m honestly thinking that 9 times out of 10 those people are the actual shills because they just say the worst shit for the white knights to defend Miles to not seem racist
>>Antagonists are all Petah's sloppy seconds
I never got this complaint, he's a legacy character that comes directly after Peter, it's not like all of Peter's villains are gonna just fuck off.
The superhero name is just one small thing, it's the character that has problems differentiating himself from the original recipe. Think about how different Dr. Doom was from Tony Stark when he started calling himself Iron Man, or shit even how Doc Ock was when he was banging a midget half his size AND age. Now go back to Miles when he's Spider-Man and try to find any differences in character/character arcs from Peter, there's way less for you to be able to call off the top of your head.
Sometime he gets other heroes villians and new villians.
Remember black taskmaster?
It’d be a start though giving him his own name would force writers to have to make good stories to get sales and not rely on the name to push him into the top 50
Khamala is a legacy character too, yet she gets new, fresh villains right off the bat
Granted they are all shitty, literally "you have to do this evil thing for me or i will tell everyone UR FRIND IS GAY HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA" tier
The shill you're responding to has already had it explained to him a dozen times the difference between "hating a character becauee they're black" and "hating a character because they literally only exist to be black".
>Comics Miles is "what if Peter Parker was black/hispanic?"
That's movie Miles too, only with more details added on. If you look past those details, the base concept is the same: he's a replacement Spider-Man.
>and since its racsits to point out that the only reason he's gained any "traction" in the 8 years with no good stories or villains is because of the name he's taken
You left out Bendis literally throwing shitfits whenever he thought Miles wasn't getting enough of the spotlight. Miles wasn't even supposed to crossover into the main universe post-Secret Wars but when he found out Ultimate was going defunct he ended up being transferred because Bendis wouldn't shut the fuck up until Marvel gave in to him.
Kamala isn't cosmic tier and doesn't fuck around in the areas Carol would fight her villains, Miles and Peter live in same-ish general area with a "street-level" powerset.
>The shill you're responding to
I'm shilling a character by saying he's not good?
The weirdest part of the whole thing being Bendis literally just bringing back the ultimate universe to no fan fare at the end of his tenure and no one talking about that. If spider Gwen gets her whole universe condensed into a book why can’t Miles? Literally 2/3rds of his issues count comes from an alternate universe Pete and has nothing to do with him, hell his issue count has more to do with bombshell then him
bendis can't write for shit
thats why miles in the comics is awful
movie miles is a good written character
Movie Mile is a literally nigger with his rapping, retarded clothes / fashion, graffiti
Comic Mile is just a white guy but with black skin. That is why he feels like a Peter clone
Movie Miles has a different personality, set of morals, and goals/motivations in life from Peter, while comics Miles is the same fucking shit as Peter. That's the real reason why he feels like a Peter clone, but your points sum up the surface well.
Oh yeah, you just keeps repeating yourself like a parrot.
>"Look, I said the word 'legacy'! That means my horrible donut steel ripoff character is justified now!"
That's how legacy characters work, yeah.
if peter died with no kids or wife, his stuff goes to his aunt. may gave him the costume
>How accurate is movie Miles world to comic book Miles world?
NOT ONE BIT
he's actually likeable in the movie
in the comics he's absolute nigger trash
holy shit seriously? bendis didn't have the sense to tie peter's death and miles's origin together?
Not him but, Spiderverse proved that his premise can work. The whole "new spider man" shtick
>if peter died with no kids or wife
So he stole it from MJ.
Wasn't that MJ just his girlfriend?
Spider-man 99 proved that a spider-man besides peter can work Spider-girl proved that a direct successor to peter can work both with the fans and in universe all that Miles proves is that you get Phil lord and Chris Miller onto a movie they can give even the most soulless cash grab heart
>soulless
That was the best 3D animated movie we've had in years
Miles himself is the soulless cash grab user your opinion on the quality of the movie doesn’t change that absolute fact
He isn't.
I think he thought he could raise Miles' sales by moving him to the main universe.
Don't forget that later Peter and the Green Goblin came back to live because apparently they are immortal now and it turns out that the Green Goblin takes extra damage from the venom blast and so Miles defeats the man that killed Peter without breaking a sweat. And then Peter just... leaves.
Have you never read his comics? Or read the circumstances of his creation?
He literally only exists to be black, and replace Spider-man, except it's not working, because everyone hates him.
He did the same shit in that Venom run as well.
I guess I just assumed he got married since he's supposed to be the perfect life Peter, but you're right. He never states he got married in the intro.
That worked in the ultimate universe, but now he is in the main universe and is still fighting Peter's villians instead of getting his own.
Do you know what you saying? You call miles the biggest pull to this movie? Many people hated miles and even admitted that they wouldn't watch because of him.
Venom is more of a soulless cashgrab than miles.
He was front and center throughout the promotions the whole plot only happened because of him. Whose to say I don’t think venom is a soulless cash grab as well? But at least they had the courtesy to not kill Brock in the opening of the movie than give his first love interest to a random black kid
Because BENDIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSS
>Don't read comics
you'll fit right in
>what if Peter Parker was black/hispanic
In the movie as well, specially the whole emphasis on the “Spidey looks like me!”
I’m Hispanic and he looks more like a NY African American and his mother feels like a white liberal from NY perspective of what a Hispanic looks or talks.
Mikes is the same boring faggot in every universe and the Spiderverse comics are consistently terrible, so if you liked ITS you'll love them OP
>specially the whole emphasis on the “Spidey looks like me!”
They did that?
That still isn't cashgrab. I don't care if you like it or not. I only said venom because he was biggest example of a cashgrab movie.
People only go to venom because they like venom not because he got a good movie.
>NY African American
if you go to NYC you'd be confused because of the massive pop of afro-latinos. you can barely take cabs from the outer burroughs without black people speaking spanish
Did you not read the Sony leaks? The desperation in their emails wondering what they can do to make money off of the property and one of the first ideas is spider-verse. quality doesn’t mean intention and the plot was already done in both comic and cartoon form
Then you already admitted that miles isn't a cashgrab, but the concept of movie is one.
>Janitor actually deleted my shit because i called Movie Mile a nigger
Sure is tumblr in here
Both are user, Bendis Killed off peter because of the twitter campaign to cast Donald Glover in Amazing spider-man. that's it he wanted brownie points for seeming woke and the whole joke went to far
Miles still has no backstory in the 616 universe.
You could say that it got deleted for calling comics Miles basically white, is that any better?
Racism is not allowed outside of Yea Forums, that is in the rules.
he's got a back story user, he went up to peter in full costume and asked if he could be spider-man at the same time and peter said yes. I'd say its like a child wrote it but that would be insulting to a child since they would at least try to be creative
>black character isn't a stereotype
>"he's acting white"
>he is a stereotype
>"that's racist"
why do both white and black people of any political leaning do this
Well. My question is why doesn’t miles pick up his own persona? I mean, wolverine has like 17 clones but they all have their own names and aliases. Why does miles not pick up his own, instead of being Spider-Man jr.?
>that's it he wanted brownie points for seeming woke
And by golly is he getting a handful! What a brave and daring creation
First, because its difficult for characters with new names to sell a comic. Second because he was an alt-universe replacement for peter parker when he was created. But ya he should have a new name.
Because at this stage it'd be considered racist to "demote" him
Okay, he is an "Urban Youth".
Everyone already knows what that newspeak means anyway, you homosexual male.
I like Miles. His character is a fun representation of the old Spider-Man guilt complex in his team-up books, and while he falls a little flat in his solo series, his supporting cast is really good.
Miles in the movie was made out a little big younger seeming, a little less mature than he is in the comics. I thought that was a good choice. I enjoy him in the comics and in his movie.
What about 42, is it expanded upon in the comics? I know and love Hitchhiker's Guide, but it is hammered down too often to be a simple nerdy nod, is it?
Aside from Ganke and some other literal who's nobody gives a shit about, Miles' entire supporting cast was directly ripped from Peter Parker.
What are you talking about? You got ganke, you got explodey girl, you got Spider-Man blogger chick, you got his Mom and Dad, you got the mutant guy who shoots balls from his chest, and you got occasional guest appearances by original Spider-Man characters or spidergwen. Most of them are pretty fun and have their own dynamic character moments. It's a good series
Not that good
He's got a new friend and girlfriend in his solo who haven't done much.
Now imagine if the new champions comic was focusing on a character who's compelling in their own comic.
Ignoring that most of those characters aren't part of his new solo. Bendis's miles comic was as uninspired as everything else he writes.
Then who cares? He is one that created ulitmate spiderman. And he should get the chance to kill him.
Seeing how you can't even name them they must be some very impressive and memorable characters
As a rule, If you kill of the main character of your comic and then replace him with a new character that is essentially inserted into the old characters life, talks exactly like the old character and has the same superpowers as the old character some of your readers are going to respond negatively.
Sure we'll say Bendis created a direct off shoot of peter before he created an off shoot of peter,
but it still doesn't change that at best Miles is just another chance for Bendis to flex his fetish and at worst he's a race baiting cash grab
I can name ganke, Lana, Danika, Rio, Jeff, and Goldballs. Since I assume most people here didn't read the entire series, I didn't think that just naming them would help people remember who they are.
I haven't gotten to read the new series yet because I'm broke. I hope I like it when I get to it! I don't really read comics to be inspired most of the time. I like light-hearted stories.
I know! I want more Kamala focused stories. Miles is my least favorite on the team desu. Still like him though
Works great for him.
Thanks for moving goalpost, you says movie and change it to comics.
Joseph has different personality / style that is why it worked for him. He was basically a step up
So, does miles.
Mile was basically Peter but watered down personality wise. It is called a step down
That was the spider that gave him his power. In comic Uncle Aaron/Prowler stole the spider( from what we find out later as the Ultimate series raps up, Roxxon) and the spider had a number 42 on it. Spiderverse one seems to come from 2099
When miles first came about he literally replaced peter in the ultimate comic in his relationship to every other character. He started hanging out with the characters peter hung out with out of costume. When he was out as spiderman he talked the same way and made the same quips. Thats because he was written as a reaction to the "donald glover as peter parker" fiasco and bendis wanted to write a black peter parker. So you can claim otherwise but you would be wrong.
What personality? The only time Miles is good is when he is in other stuff and has some one to bounce off of.
They need to start crafting a meaningful rogues gallery for Miles.
i mean i'm sure there's plenty of literal whos Peter Parker fought over the years who could be repurposed for Miles.
Also afaik the winning lottery ball which got Miles into that cushy school was 42.
>Spiderverse one seems to come from 2099
? As in year? Why?
Also saw that bonus scene after the credits, what about that, was is just an elaborate setup for OG animated series joke or is the mexican Spidey based on something?
Buddy what goal post? I started this saying that Miles himself is a soulless cash grab then you came at me saying the movie was good, we haven't been having a discussion I've just been stating the same thing over and over and you just saying no, Miles is a race baiting character created to subvert a white characters legacy that's it. The quality of a movie released 7 years after his creation doesn't change that
>Be this much of a casual
Back to Yea Forums you go
Sometimes I feel like modern comic book writers have lost the ability to create anything new and interesting. At one point someone had to create the joker, lex luther, poison ivy, doctor doom, thanos, galactus, darkseid, catwoman, bane, gorilla grodd and a host of other characters that are still around today. So how is it that Miles, Kamala and Sam have basically no recurring villians? Just come up with a cool super power, slap it on a new face and have them present an interesting challenge to the hero.
It is outside of being hero? Half of his ulitmate run was about him finding his place. And dealing with family drama
I guess he like watching karate movies and getting peer pressure into doing something.
Joseph is nothing like Jonathan, he's practically his opposite.
You realize he's been in the main universe longer than he was ever in the ultimate universe right? and everything that happened their had no real impact on Miles run, hell his history is referenced more in other comics than it has ever been in his own solo
>bendis dialogue
Why is it always so deeply terrible? Who the fuck would talk like this in this situation? Why not say:
>You need to leave now. This is too dangerous for someone your age.
Then why you even mention Sony leaks if you talking about the comics?
Hey, you got me (other than Yea Forums part), I just came from front page because I saw it's a multiverse thread.
Have fun with your comics, tho.
But Joseph is completely fucking different from Johnathan, hell the manga/anime even makes a point to have another character point this out.
Miguel O'hara also known as Spiderman 2099. In the film spider 42 glitches hinting that its from another universe, and we can see what universes had stuff pulled in towards Miles.
I'm talking about Miles, which includes his movie from sony.
>I know and love Hitchhiker's Guide
42 is the number for Jackie Robinson, the first black player in baseball.
Oh, is that it? Didn't know about this but seems more plausible given the "woke" writers of Miles' comics.
DId they explained in comics why Miles can turn invisible and use electricity? He supposed to have only spider abilities, even though this spider is radioactive.
Then my point still stands, miles isn't an cashgrab.
Diffrent spider, different reaction.
It is reason why silk got super spidersense, or the thousands turning into small spiders
Because he is black
The invisibility is Spider-camo and the electricity is Spider-electricity
>writers of Miles' comics.
You mean writer. Bendis has been the main writer for Miles solo comics since he was created.
what makes you say that? I've laid out my reasoning for believing he is and your argument has just been no
It's more plausible it be a Hitchhiker's reference or wholly coincidental.
I don't expect Bendis to do much research or have much forethought in his work.
I'm still wondering why Miles' dad is named after the Confederate President and moreso why he didn't change his name if the whole reason for Miles' taking his mom name was to afford his son peace from their family name after him and his brother fucked it.
Because ulitmate spiderman was already popular series, and some people enjoy bendis writing.
Not only that, Bendis push miles hard in 616 universe by putting him in the avengers and the champions and some events. If miles was just a normal hero created by some unknown writer to replace alternate version of spider-man. He will be forgotten even if he was good.
So you're saying that just because the writer is also well known that his creations can't be soulless cash grabs?
>The sooner we all forget Miles the less money Bendis gets
I slept on it, It makes me mad that you're right, Bendis and his chocolate fetish has done nothing but take up character slots and it upsets me
If I want a good character I just have to do it myself
Peter doesn't even really have spider powers, Spider-Sense is insanely bullshit and goes beyond what any spider can do.
I read some of his issues when I was trying to get through Ultimate spider-man.
It just felt like the writers did not know what to do with him or how to make him stand out.
Shield just tossed him the costume and made him part of a team. Every fight ended with him "Venom Blast" ing hit opponent.
Last time I checked he now had energy webbing and could set off a bio-electric explosion. They may have given him new powers since then but no matter what they threw at him I found almost every story boring.
I will says it depends on the audiences. If audiences only like miles because he is miles. Then he is a cashgrab.
If the writer pushing him to be popular, then he isn't a cashgrab.
>Jonathan
>Naive and righteous pampered boy out of noble family who manned up but is still pure in his honor and charity, also serious all the time.
>Joseph
>Street rat with cunning wit, a jokester who never takes anything serious (at the start of series, at least), and a trickster who fights dirty and doesn't care about honor while at it going as far as running away, also has good heart somehow.
They couldn't be any more polar opposites of each other apart from being good guys.
Ok this one Imma need a translation for, if the audience like Miles for Miles than he's not a cash grab? If the audience likes a character and wants to support it than its a cash grab? But a writer usurping a popular characters name and giving it to a diversity hire for no other point than to give an already established name to a brown character than its not a cash grab?
>If miles was just a normal hero created by some unknown writer to replace alternate version of spider-man. He will be forgotten even if he was good
why do you feel that way?
I shit on miles every time I discuss him
but thats because he's shit.
If he was a meaningful character that made me feel something for him other than "Oh this costume hes only going to wear in this one issue is pretty cool" I'd champion it instead
I feel as though a few other people would as well
but that's never gonna happen because no one wants to put all the effort to rebuild miles into something interesting and something other than alternate costume peter
If you are mindlessly buying bad products because your favorite character face on it, then it is a cashgrab.
Comic Miles is a pet character.
Comics miles isn't a character though, he's literally just black spider-man
He is now. How old is that pic?
its from his last run and more canon than everything else posted about him in this thread. Its by his original writer showing us all the true intention of the character, not to be his own character but a diverse version of another
Then you know that miles don't want to be black spiderman.
He want to be spiderman.
>Scorpion is Mexican
Ultimate Scorpion was a Peter clone.
>took a single movie written by somebody else to make people like him in 1 shot
But people still don't like him.
that was the answer to the readers's complains but Miles is just a black spider-man took the place of the real Spider-Man cause Marvel wanted to sell comics to that demography and they failed cause Spider-Man is Peter Parker and he's not black
There are two ulitmate scoripon.
this is from the previous issue, the arc ends with him realizing that him being black is in fact the most important aspect of his life. The real question is what makes him think he'll ever be anything other than the black spider-man? Pete is still alive and Miles shows no interest in making a name for himself
>To say comic Miles is Peter
>an insecure nerdy teenager with a shakey family life and money problems is in no way similar to Peter Parker
People outside of Yea Forums love movie Miles
Doesn't exist he died along with his universe and never had his arc finished
Bitch please, Chinese knock off Superman was good. Miles isn't.
Are you swinging your fists and shouting bullshit now?
>bendis support this
>he doesn't
>but mile poc shitty poopyhead that is ruining my husbando Peter parker.
I actually kind of liked that Ultimate Peter revived, since Green Goblin did it multiple times and they both gained their powers through the Oz formula.
>nerdy
Only so as far as being vaguely smart and enabling Ganke's lego addiction, beyond that he has none of the "nerdy" qualities Peter has.
>shaky family life
Most heroes have to deal with family problems, and Miles' family problems were and are not like Peter's.
>money problems
Literally the only "money problem" is that they couldn't pay to put him in some fancy school, Miles' family never struggles with money beyond that.
Jesus Christ, hate the nigger but at least know what you're talking about.
That's irrelevant to what I was replying to though.
No, he wanted to crave his own path. Then it ends with a vague symbol on his mask.
But literally every Spiderman in the movie was more likable, and that includes Aryan Peter who Miles got killed.
>Spiderman in the movie was more likable
Not Gwen and Peni
>Aryan Peter who Miles got killed
What?
How can he carve his own path if he literally refuses to make his own name?
The other irrelevancy is he's the second ultimate scorpion
Joseph was way different than Jonathan, though.
That's a simplistic break down of Peter.
Comics Miles is far less than Peter and it's all thanks to Bendis going full meander and anti-climax mode by the time he started writing Miles.
Are we supposed to sympathize with him for wanting to steal another man's mantle and legacy?
>you didnt get to experience just how terrible of a character he is
yeah we did
Miles was intrinsically thrown to the wayside because every other character was more interesting than him
By doing his own stuff duh.
>every other character was more interesting than him
The Peters yeah, but Gwen and Peni were less interesting.
The only part of Jonathan's life that Joseph is inserted into is his place as main character. Other than that designation he's completely different.
>'woke' people outside of Yea Forums claim to like Miles for brownie points
Okay
>Only so as far as being vaguely smart and enabling Ganke's lego addiction, beyond that he has none of the "nerdy" qualities Peter has.
Why didn't they make him dumb, then? That'd be an actual big difference other than being 'smart enough'.
>Most heroes have to deal with family problems, and Miles' family problems were and are not like Peter's.
Still, it was a chance to really make Miles different. This is what I mean, he's too similar to Peter, even if the exact details vary.
>Literally the only "money problem" is that they couldn't pay to put him in some fancy school, Miles' family never struggles with money beyond that.
Why'd they make such a big fucking deal about the charter lottery, then?
gay
>>'woke' people outside of Yea Forums claim to like Miles for brownie points
It's dumb to think that just because you don't like something, anyone who says they do is just faking it.
>Why didn't they make him dumb, then? That'd be an actual big difference other than being 'smart enough'.
He is pretty dumb, he makes mistakes Peter never has or never would and can't even make his own web fluid. He's just smart enough for some fancy school, which does not mean you are Peter Parker-tier.
>Still, it was a chance to really make Miles different. This is what I mean, he's too similar to Peter, even if the exact details vary.
By having his family life be perfect? People would just say that's boring and that Miles faces no challenges.
>Why'd they make such a big fucking deal about the charter lottery, then?
Because they wanted Miles in the fancy school, money problems are literally never mentioned again after that, just because they can't afford the super smart school doesn't mean they're fucking destitute.
>Why'd they make such a big fucking deal about the charter lottery, then?
Do you want your kid to lose his potential in going to a better school and get a successful job?
Thats a literal DnD segment not even from his own book
I post it because it looks cool. I didn't even say that is his name.
You;re not wrong buddy and I feel bad but everything Miles has been in spider-man makes me hate him from the Bendising of his books to his shoehorning into the PS4 game and finally to him literally taking peters first animated film for himself. You're brown dude and you want characters that look like you and I get that, have you checked out sideways or stuff by Milestone?
Except he has almost nothing in common with Peter except for Spiderman powers
What do you mean
Miles lives an entirely different life compared to Peter, he has personal problems that are way different and hobbies and interests that are way different
The way he handles most everyday situations is different from most incarnations of Peter Parker too
Yes, I did.
I support any black creation that is interesting. Static shock is my favorite guy. I think you need to read those heroes instead of complaining about miles morale.
I'm another user
It's a little hard when nuMarvel keeps shoving him literally everywhere.
If Miles doesn't want to be black spider-man maybe he should stop being the second spider-man that is black while the first one is still swinging around. Just change the name or steal the name of someone else like Tarantula. But that won't happen because being black spider-man is in fact Miles only selling point so far.
Regardless of how POTENTIALLY interesting Miles can be it'll never change the fact that he's just there to kill off pete, that's it. He's not meant to be an addition but a replacement, and he hasn't done anything good or interesting enough to warrant getting over that shit.
This was the point I realized Bendis, and by extension Miles, are irredeemable trash.
>"Bendis, all you did is write a shitty knockoff of Peter Parker in blackface."
>"NUH UH SEE MILES SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE BKACK SPIDER-MAN!"
>"No, Bendis, Miles is a fictional character. You just wrote him saying that. Those are your words."
>"SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF REPLACING EVERY CHARACTER WITH BLACK RIPOFFS!"
Replace who? The ultimate spider-man is still alive.
>still
Bendis dug up Peter's desecrated corpse for the sole purpose of him telling Miles "YES, MILES, YOU ARE IN FACT THE TRUE SPIDER-MAN, SAYS I, THE INFERIOR, OLD, OUTDATED SPIDER-MAN!"
dickhead
1. He didn't say it
2. He wanted to be with MJ and He allows miles to take his mantle. Similar to what happens in into spiderverse.
3. And there is no reason for peter parker to be spider-man. He can live his life peacefully while having a guy protect his city for him.
Is this some kind of obsession that you have for ultimate peter parker?
>Static shock is my favorite guy.
His name is Static
Shut up Batman: the animated series.
>he
>mantle
>No reason for spider-man to be spider-Man
yikes.
You've been blindly defending Miles for hours and you have the gall to call anyone else here obsessed?
>WHERE DO YOU THINK WE ARE.jpg
I like arguing about stuff. It isn't about character obsession, It is about me having fun in random bullshit.
I argue about if spider-man can beat black panther.
>Nigger went through an entire multiverse ending reboot in which the only “massive status quo changing” thing is his addition to the marvel universe
You'd think this would be a major thing to bring up in his book, he and his cast are all refugees from a dead universe (that's not dead anymore) but he's the only one that remembers it. Speaking of this how did Ultimate Wolverine's son get into 616?
depends on when they're fighting, Pete has him beat in terms of strength and agility but T'challa has him beat out in terms of intelligence and fighting prowess. I go with pete mostly but it depends on if he can get around the vibranium suit. Did he always wear battle armor?
Same way the maker did who knows. I'd assume the kid got through on the same bullshit that brought old man logan down, we don't have a wolverine so lets just have 4 or 5. Are they all still around? his ultimate son the old man version or even Daken?
Complete list of Miles villains:
- Ultimate Prowler
- Ultimate Venom
- Bombshell
That's it.
New earth 616 is a weird fusion between (old) ulitmate universe and 616.
>was a racist stereotype poor kid from the streets story
I don't like Miles either but fuck off, you clearly don't actually know anything about the character
Daken's dead
OLM is in Madripoor
Jimmy is currently bonded to a Poison and is just kinda wandering around the world apparently, trying to deal with having both his and the Poison's mind in one body.
whose jimmys mom? and is he aware of the universal shenanigans? besides him the maker and miles/bombshell who else is in 616 from the ultimate universe?
The ringer and aaron davis.
>whose jimmys mom?
Magda, Magneto's wife from the Ultimate Universe.
i like the comic where he says
>how can they tell i'm black?
>oh...right...the suit...
>peters first animated film
would have flopped. normies have tom holland now. they gotta spice it up.
In the memorial speech MJ gives, she starts with "my husband"
I dunno, that smells like bullshit.
It's an animated Spidey movie.
it probably would've made roughly the same amount of money, not to much.
>would have flopped
As opposed to...?
No one wants an animated Spider-man movie with a teen Peter Parker. They have live action movies for that.
1. Who said he had to be a teen?
2. How can you say with a straight face "nobody wants..." when compared to an effin Miles Morales movie that had so little mass appeal to begin with?
3. Speak for yourself faget
>1. Who said he had to be a teen?
Sony since they made two movies and a cartoon show starting with teen Peter Parker
>2. How can you say with a straight face "nobody wants..." when compared to an effin Miles Morales movie that had so little mass appeal to begin with?
Because we already have a live action Spider-man movie with teen Peter Parker with the hook that he is part of the MCU. Plus it looks like Sony is trying to make a Spider-man universe without Spider-man (Peter Parker).
His own rogues and some other name for him is a start and very important, but what he really needs are good stories and arcs. So far there is still no must read Miles story and it's been 8 years.
So what yo're saying is the public is tired of a teen spider-man so sony made a movie about a teen spider-man
Spider-men.
Like the other user said
>Sony is trying to make a Spider-man universe without Spider-man
Well no shit, i know this movie only exists as an attempt to milk the franchise dry
I am saying that the public don't want an animated version of the same teen Peter Parker they are getting with live action so they needed something different.
first is alright but sucks in proper context since A)ultimate peter was alive and B)the ultimate universe is gone and all of those conections are dead now.
and that different didn't go as great as everyone said. Just doing something with an older peter would've been fine you didn't have to kill another peter to do it
>you didn't have to kill another peter to do it
Well luckily we have a spare Peter to teach him something.