A film where the revolutionarys overthrowing the monarchy are "bad guys'

They both were roided. The point of the depowering liquid was to put both fighters at equal odds.

For some reason monarchy is far and above the most idolized form of government in media (be it cartoons, comics, games, movies, whatever). There are always evil monarchs but it never seems to existentially question the state the way the evil church or evil empire does. Oftentimes a republic will be depicted in more unflattering and corrupt terms (Queen Padme vs the Republic, and Princess Leia vs the lethargic new-republic that does nothing to stop imperial-ISIS)

Bad empire = time to throw out the empire
Bad theocracy = time to throw out the church
Bad republic = should not be overthrown but always will be
Bad monarchy = just replace the monarch with a better one. At best they try and get rid of it but then force a sort of constitutional monarchy with an empowered monarch (not just a powerless figurehead like the brits)

Grated in this case Killmonger a mongoloid dimwit revolutionary so the monarchy really is a better idea.

Wakanda before the movie was literally an ethnostate with closed borders

Based. Hail monarchy

And a big part of the movie was addressing that this was wrong, with the hero committing to opening the borders and letting the world in. So that no more Killmongers are created.

Which is why i said "before the movie"
Tho i'm pretty sure their immigration policy is still incredibly strict even in the comics.

>letting the world in

Expanding your your territory through War is not letting people in. At the end of the movie t'challa actually shares wakanda technology with the rest of the world and truly lets people in by choice not force

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>Beaten fair and square
American Crab didn't fulfill the only two means of winning the fight.
I think probably because the simplistic way in which people think of the evil governments, especially the Monarchy. The evil church and empire is usually a machine built by the villain, so it goes with them. The evil monarch is usually a usurper/false monarch so they're simply ousted from power and the rightful heir takes a seat.

Does anyone else kinda wish that KIllmonger was on the throne a bit longer? Like imagine IW if Killmonger was still the king and a major B-plot would've been T'challa gathering up forces for the oncoming invasion while Killmonger struggles to lead against an enemy he isn't prepared for. In the end, they unite under T'challa even though Killmonger is still the official king.

It'd make BP a less complete movie, but it would've made all the Wakanda stuff more interesting imo.

Because they didn’t know who Killmonger was or was going to be and assumed that their audience surrogate was going to be TChalla and Wakanda when it ended up actually being Erik
Because it turns out most of the people who saw this movie had no knowledge of Black Panther in general

Because he hates Wakanda and was planning to drive it into the ground while he was liberating all the other black people

Which begs the question why don't they just roid up the challenger.

If both combatants are roided the chances of surviving otherwise fatal blows increases. This rite by combat could totally be nonlethal and still be just as much, if not, of a spectacle.

>get roided up
>run away
>keep powers

It stems from the myth that monarchies are tied to the divine or otherwise grand, epic, and honorable authorities.

Republics, false or abusive theocracies, republic or confederate empires, etc. are all decidedly human and thereby decidedly base and corrupt in nature, especially the more power they have/create.

I'm sure a hyper-advanced civilization can find a way to make sure two naked guys who are barely car speed don't run away from a fight

The drug is holy to them, so the idea is to prove you're worthy of it

It's a dumb tradition, don't think too hard about it.
The fact that they risk both competitors falling off the fucking huge waterfall and die should tell you enough about it.

>Main character got beaten fair and square
You win by death or yielding. T'Challa didn't die or yield, so the fight never ended.

Most black people prefer Killmonger

Killmonger was totally right about Wakanda but his alternative wasn't any better.

>revolutionarys overthrowing the monarchy
It's not really a revolution if you're using the current laws and traditions to take power. The monarchy's not being overthrown at all.

>A film where the revolutionarys overthrowing the monarchy....
And then planning to kill anybody in the world who disagrees with them. Kinda left out that last part.

They literally explained why he did this in the film. They even said how he got the idea to do it. Why are you people like this?

>Main character got beaten fair and square
"I NEVER YIELDED AND AS YOU CAN SEE, I AM NOT DEAD"

He did not get beaten fair and square

>you people
WHAT DO YOU MEAN, "YOU PEOPLE"?

One, it provides the current holder of the powers a "memento mori" moment, two, the challenger would need a period to adjust to his newfound powers otherwise he'd be off his game, and three, there is a spiritual/mystical component to taking the herb.

The biggest oversight in this film is that it adheres to Pan Africanism. Wakanda and its people have no responsibility to take care of their neighboring nations just because they share a skin color, just the same as Germany and Russia have no obligation to one another based on Race.

Killmonger's entire motivation was ass backwards, and the movie's biggest flaw is that nobody actually contests what he's saying. There isn't a moment where T'challa and Killmonger have a conversation about their conflicting ideals, the closest we get is the "throw me overboard" speech at the end, nobody actually addresses how Africa isn't just one big country, and in the end, nobody even argues that the idea of giving a bunch of random people around the world future-weapons will lead to innocent deaths of non-blacks. For god's sake, one of the targeted locations is Hong Kong, there's less than 3,000 black people there.

His motivations weren't clear beyond "kill everyone, burn everything", but nobody actually had a conversation with him to disprove him or even provide a counterpoint. The film's political thesis is so undeveloped that it actually caused the audience to side with a guy who wants full-scale, eyes closed genocide.

Most blacks preferr Killmonger. That tells you everything you need to know about them and how they are not your friends and never will be.

I'm a black guy and I thought Killmonger was a retard. Muh Pan-Africanism and Black Power is literal dumb ass shit and all he would've done was start more shit. The movie acted like ethnicity wasn't real (Which is a real factor as to why Africans in Africa are killing one another) and Killmonger never mentioned the Asians who he would have genocided too.

IT also doesn’t help if the plan backfired and the people theyre trying to overthrow get their hands on theresources and vibraniumweapons

I love threads where a bunch of white children RP as "woke" black people, definitely worthy of Yea Forums

>There are people who outright say that they refuse to admit Killmonger was wrong because that would mean they themselves are the bad guy.

Sad!

Neither side were really in the "right" here. War and conflict is often much more complicated.

>One side takes over a country, destroys a plant sacred to its culture to make sure no one is able to oppose him, and plans to enact global genocide
>The other side stands against that

If you were talking about T'Chaka and his brother you'd be closer to right, but if you think the dumb, hypocritical motherfucker that is Killmonger was in the right, you dumb as fuck.

The U People, of course.

If by “global genocide” you mean arming separatist groups with heavy weaponry in order to manipulate them for your own objectives, then I’m not sure which side you’re talking about, the one with Killmonger or the one with the CIA?

That’s because he looked cool and was badass. I don’t think many people take MCU politics seriously.

That’s not true. More people find kilmonger relatable because he is an American that grew up poor whereas black panther in an African king from a future society. The point is that kilmonger was right in some aspects but wrong in others. That’s why Wakanda abandons it’s xenophobia at the end.

>Neither side were really in the "right" here.
>but if you think the dumb, hypocritical motherfucker that is Killmonger was in the right
Reading comprehension, man.

EXPRESSLY started his post saying neither was in the "right"
He could turn into Charles Xavier to psychically instill the exact point, and you'd still die on that hill.

Listen. The movie even went out its way to show T'Challa, the rightful current king of Wakanda, voting fuck Wakanda in death, after being killed by a guy only even there due to generations practicing ignoring all fault and projecting all blame onto the other, until they simply couldn't hide from the consequences any longer.

T'Challa even wanted to keep Erik alive, after he'd killed Zuri and almost took Shuri's head, because he realized the unquestionable extent the Wakandan thinking of "we're never wrong" had made all types of shit a long time coming. You don't have to like or even agree with the guy called KILLMONGER but you'd better believe you're looking at two shades of grey, not a stark black and white.