Time for another "how are they going to introduce X-Men into the MCU" thread

they're not

they'll use things like Captain Britain or other peripheries, but there are still X-Men movies waiting to be released in what is irreconcilably a different continuity and it's highly unlikely they'll even use individual X-Men as Avengers, for example, while they still technically "belong" to that older movie series

by the time they're ready to re-use the X-Men as you've seen them in film before, the MCU itself may no longer exist - that depends entirely on whether audiences continue to go see these movies and whether they continue to be part of a connected whole, which is unlikely the longer the series goes on because of the barrier to entry that such a body of film represents to new audiences

meaning either those new audiences will be given jump-on points at which none of the prior continuity is particularly important (as in, you don't need to know who any of the characters are or what they can do) or the MCU will be replaced by a new MCU (not necessarily a reboot) or by standalone movies or even - if the concept of superhero movies becomes less popular - by nothing at all

what a lot of commentators seem to be forgetting is that the FOX buyout wasn't inexpensive - Disney has $77 billion of costs to recover, and there's only so much you can do by slashing duplicated roles across studios; the movies and tv shows FOX currently has in development are aimed at FOX audiences and will continue to be released and even made - there will not be a culling of existing properties (throwing out hundreds of millions of prior investment) nor will there be a significant change in output for fear of alienating the audiences who usually watch FOX movies and tv drama

you've got at least until after Dark Phoenix and New Mutants release (the latter perhaps on Netflix or on Disney's streaming platform rather than general release) and the current X-Men tv shows end before they'll consider rebooting the X-Men for a putative MCU entry

I like this one

It doesn't have to be a big group existing at once, it could be a slow population build over the months/years like they did with Inhumans in AOS.

Most people know that there won't be an X-Men movie until 2022 at the earliest. Still worth discussing though

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>demands some kind of explanation
You mean an explanation like "we were always here, we just didn't go public"?

Maybe Magneto hasn't done anything super bad yet. Maybe there's only a few dozen known mutants at the time. Maybe mutants have only been doing small crimes.

Or maybe - JUST MAYBE - it really doesn't matter.
We never saw anything from the mystical side of the universe during Phase 1 or most of 2, yet the Sorcerer Supreme has always existed. Why didn't they come help during Avengers or any of the other major crises?

Because it's a comic book movie, and it doesn't matter.

Thanks is beaten, Cap picks up the gauntlet,n "The earth needs more heroes."

Snap

>there are still X-Men movies waiting to be released in what is irreconcilably a different continuity
One in June and one in August, and the latter has almost no connection to any X-property that anyone gives a shit about.

Are you forgetting that there were only two years (almost down to the day) between Amazing Spider-man 2 and Civil War?

>X-Men TV shows
You mean the ones that feature LITERALLY zero characters that would be in the movies? Marvel TV doesn't interfere with the MCU, why would Mutant TV?

Yep, pretty much this. Adding to it
>there are only around 100 mutants in the entire world
>Magneto works with Xavier. He lived in Sokovia with his human wife and assumed human twins
>The mind stone only awakened their already existing mutant genes
>Magneto was in Sokovia so that he could safely smuggle mutants from Eastern Europe to the United States.
>Magneto assumed his family died in the attack and left to live at Xavier’s institute.
>when he found out Wanda was alive, Magneto wanted to intervene, but Xavier convinced him otherwise, due to it being to difficult to erase her existence, but also hoping that she could set a good example when the time comes for the mutants to come into public view.
>Civil war happens, everyone fears Wanda, Magneto blames and resents Xavier. He becomes more distant
>Mutants are showing up faster than usual. It’s getting hard to keep under wraps
>The X-Men are a team whose purpose is primarily to collect/rescue dangerous mutants.
>Weapon X is a top secret branch of shield that managed to collect a few mutants that Xavier and Magneto didn’t find
>infinity war and endgame happen
>whatever reversal of events happens, Xavier knows about it. He tells magneto the news. Magneto is pissed at Xavier’s incessant pacifism and finally leaves with half the mutants to Genosha or the savage lands.
>Magneto, who is rescuing mutants for his brotherhood, finds one in rural Europe that was tortured and burned.
>Concentration camp flashback
>Magneto knows now he has to protect his people from the human menace
>Big mutant terrorist attack ensues.
>The X-Men convince Xavier to let them enter the public eye in order to rescue the image of the mutants
>Xavier finally agrees

>and one in August
And I honestly don't think that one is even still coming out

I just want to see magneto pick up Thor’s hammer in a movie. You could even make it where Thor’s hammer has such a strong magnetic field, that magneto could use it to make a doomsday device to flip the earths magnetic poles or whatever he normally does.

they're just going to show up, Like Spider-Man they're not going waste anytime telling people what they already know by retelling the origin.

Alita sucked, though.
just like every MCU movie the past 5 years flopped like Yea Forums predicted, right?

Yeah, fuck off with your obvious bullshit.

His new hammer isn't enchanted by Odin, the old one was destroyed by Hela in Ragnarok.

They'll have an after credits scene in a movie that hints at them, and then they'll make a movie about the X-men, probably starring Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine, Professor X and Magneto.

Yeah but it’s still made of magic space metal.

This but considering it was Hydra who helped awaken the Twins's powers, it would make sense for Weapon X to be a Hydra branch that became its own thing after the events of Winter Soldier and just started selling bioweapons to people.

honestly, other people fucking with Thor's hammer is one of the most kino tropes in comics, even if it's happened dozens of times by now

>there are still X-Men movies waiting to be released
Dark Phoenix, New Mutants, and what else?

>the latter has almost no connection to any X-property that anyone gives a shit about.

New Mutants > X-men

You haven't even seen it

The New Mutants characters/storylines > X-men you idiot

That would make more sense. Good call. It also connects the mutants more closely to the MCU.

the enchantment is why people can't pick it up, Mjolnir doesn't fall trough the floor or crush tables when it's placed on them, hell Thor 1 he leaves it on a hat rack

Didn't this nigga do this literally in the first couple issues of X-Men?

The entire logistical concept of mutants doesn't make sense unless it stops becoming a parallel of minority rights, and starts becoming a parallel of gun rights.

Oppressing people with superpowers is dumb, because superpowers aren't horrible. It's that their powers need to be unwieldly, make people uncomfortable, and cause chaos because most heroes gain power from life-changing events of bravery, not birthright. Vigilantes like Spiderman get a blank pass because they've clearly used their powers for good, (well mostly blank) but mutants regularly have little control or cohesion with society for being normies. Sensible power control, (we're not asking people with mutant genes to have their powers taken, we're just asking for reasonable limitations on dangerous powers, and keeping powers out of the hands of criminals) becomes a concept, the Brotherhood of Mutants takes its own militia element on power, Xavier's school can be a boarding school, but in outreach it can be involved in power safety, humanitarian elements, cooperating with military elements, and promoting mutant political liberty. Conspiracies run rampant about a psychic lobbying in congress, NRA parallels and all. Meanwhile, mutantphiles would exist, people getting historical about mutant powers, fit in minor social and economic stigmatizing for ugly or dangerous powers like bone skin or whatever, and work from there.

Slapdashing 'THE GAYS' as the defining parallel when powered superheroes are a thing makes no sense, so powers themselves and their regulation should be the parallel at play.

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Yes, that’s one of the reasons it works infinitely better than “oops reality changed now mutants”.

at the end of endgame

Doesn’t work. You choose to own a gun. You don’t choose to be a mutant. Just like you don’t choose your race or sexuality.

>Opening Credits is multiples instances of the X-Men stopping crises inspired by the original run, similar to how the X-Men Origins credits did it

How hard would you be Yea Forums ?

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Go get me a production team.

Only if they do Giant Size X-men as the first story

obviously.

When you approach the right to bear arms in a Lockeian perspective, it IS what you're born with. The gun itself is just the expression of what you are born with as a person. The expression of the gene has a physical concept, but as a recessive carrier not everyone uses it. And some just have it as a social solidarity if not expressing the power as a tool.

And if we have the parallel of potential genetic engineering cures, (slapdash, side effects, like trans surpressing drugs) based in whatever scientific research has been done in all the heroes before, the parallel can work. People could just be petitioning congress for mutant gene surpression for power innoculation, hence how the Sentinels come about as a monitor and military industrial solution of 'innoculation'. Mutant suppression has the authoritarian results entwined, hating mutants as a scapegoat of 'the dangerous abilities they have' makes more logical sense as a social possibiltity, tha 'look at crab man, look how crab he is, SUCH SOCIETAL DECAY!'.

Those opening credits are pure capekino, one of the best things in literally any cape movie.
Shame that what followed was shit

Especially considering the previous movies' opening credits

Keep Mystique naked

No more retcons to introduce people.

Xmen should also be separate from the rest of the marvel universe anyway as it raises huge issues regarding other heroes not being super involved in mutants being persecuted.

These seem like the genuine best options. They could start the movie with the original team and show them recruiting parts of the giant size team during the film.

>it raises huge issues regarding other heroes not being super involved in mutants being persecuted.

That's only an issue in the comics because editorial constantly demands resets.

>That's only an issue in the comics because editorial constantly demands resets.

It's an issue literally every time the government ever does anything bad to mutants, which is a recurrent plotline with their stories.

That was fucking retarded in Evolution and fuck you for even thinking it's clever

Abuse of the quantum realm opened up some timeline inconsistencies and a child is born with superhero abilities, he’s given up for adoption and ends up a stray taken in by Charles Xavier whose been preparing for mutants to become widespread in the world

>Unsnap half the universe
>Some of the people who come back have powers because exposure to stone energy already grants powers in rare cases as seen with Wanda, Carol, and Pietro

Wow that was hard.

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>mutants have been around for a while but in small numbers
>they mostly keep to themselves and are hidden by people like Xavier
>Thanos Snap triggers a self-defense mechanism in the human genome
>suddenly far more mutants start emerging and become public knowledge

This is "why didn't Nick Fury call Carol earlier" or "why doesn't Superman stop the Joker" levels of retarded.
Comic books and movies don't have to follow real world rules and logic.

The Avengers brought back ththe wrong people when undoing the snap.

The MCU tries to be more cohesive than the comics, and it's legit bad writing if they decide to go the OH BOY THE GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO EXTERMINATE MUTANTS HOLOCAUST ALLEGORY and then ever have other heroes do anything but hate the government.

It's possible to write these like you give a shit. Stop asking for lower quality work.

No, it's an issue because things are never allowed to change naturally. It wasn't an issue in the 60s, 70s and 80s because stories could evolve naturally instead of constantly being reset. IvX was 2 years ago and we're already back to "mutants on the edge of extinction" bullshit.

>Spider-Man
Cares about mutants, but what can he do (people probably think he is a mutant)
>Captain marvel
Fucks off into space
>Thor
Fucks off into space
>Doctor Strange
Too busy with his own shit
>Cap and Tony
Dead or retired
>War Machine
It looks bad for the USA government to attack its own people, so they don’t get involved
>Hulk
Fucks off to some favela
>Black Panther
Never gave a fuck about slavery, why would they care about mutants?
>Ant man, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon
No influence
>nick fury
Probably knows about weapon X
>Scarlet Witch
People already hate her, but she would try to get involved.

I don’t think the problem is as big as you think.

>captain america needs to show up in an X-Men movie or it's bad writing
Will you guys at least PRETEND like you've read a superhero comic before?

>>captain america needs to show up in an X-Men movie or it's bad writing
They didn't come close to saying that. Only that there should be continuity blowback if they try to run that story within the universe.

>durr it was bad in this one instance so it will always be bad.
You sound like an idiot.

>no apocalypse
>no exodus
>no selene
>no WWII Wolverine
>no Mr. Sinister

Retard

Also Xavier and magneto getting their powers in their 80s or 90s is retarded.

The snap won't be reversed, it will be prevented.

They confront Thanos, he shows them the fucked gauntlet, revealing that the snap cannot be undone. They fight, he teleport away.

Scott shows up, they use the Time Vortex caused by Thanos restoring the Mind Stone, and go back in time to alter events involving the stones, without touching the Mind Stone which has to be destroyed in order for the Time Vortex to exist.

>Durr they were there the whole time! You just didn't know!
Is fucking stupid. You can't hide mutants like that, or have Xavier cover up EVERY fucking born mutant across the planet.
>No Apocalypse
Good. Fucker is a joke to begin with. Besides we can still do Sinister, and I hope they do.
And you know this how?

Dark Phoenix will come out, will suck, and will be the end of the Fox X-verse

New Mutants will never be released

>no apocalypse
that's fine
>no exodus
nobody cares
>no selene
also fine
>no WWII wolverine
bummer, but we've seen it before already
besides, no reason they can't work him in as one of the secret mutants who already had powers
>no mr sinister
still fine

Wow, major problems!

>no mr sinister
>still fine
I think we should get a Mr. Sinister on screen

>Good. Fucker is a joke to begin with

Paco Lips is only a joke because he's a final boss type villain that never gets to be the final boss. The only chance he's ever got to be a heavy hitter was in X-men Evo and X-Factor

>Besides we can still do Sinister,

Sinister's thing is that he's a Victorian mad scientist obsessed with mutants that has fucked around with them for decades. You're proposing to make him into some LARPing faggot that just acts like he's from the 1800s and is a complete amateur.

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>Xavier can’t make people forget about 80 or so mutants.
Did someone push in your soft spot? Xavier could easily do that

The comprise could be mutants being EXTREMELY rare and undoing the snap causes a dramatic increase in the gene. Charles, Logan, and Erik could be some of the select few that were born over the decades. Mister Sinister could finally step out of the shadows given the new research implications now that mutants are becoming more common.

But still fuck off with Apocalypse. He's rarely, if ever, done competently

I don’t think the snap is necessary for that. You could just say it’s been on an exponential upward curve since the 80s or so. 5 mutants become 20 become 100+

Let's pretend there's around 80 mutants across the globe, fine. Now some of those assholes are going to want the attention, and be irresponsible with their power. What you're asking for is for Xavier to play babysitter to dozens of people, keep regular tabs on all of them, and clean up their messes at every turn.

It's fucking stupid. I would much rather there be like 5 mutants tops with something that causes a population spike. Pretending they were off screen the entire time is just bad writing.
Right but how do you excuse people not being made aware until now? Because the Xavier excuse is weak

The least retarded and convoluted way is to say there have been very few mutants like Xavier, Magneto and Wolverine who have kept to themselves and we're just now seeing a massive leap forward in evolution. There is no reason to have Infinity Stone or other dimension fuckery

If they were smart they wouldn't.
I really can't see them continuing the MCU indefinitely. Their A-cast's contracts are all starting to wrap up and their B-cast isn't particularly strong (and even then, Boseman, Cumberbatch and Rudd are in their 40's).
I say they let the MCU run its course, let the Wolverine-centric X-Men fade from the public conscious as much as reasonably practicable and use them as the launching pad for their MCU2.

Not every mutant has amazing powers, some are pretty mundane. Doctor Strange showed that there's a factory worker that's a sorcerer and yet we've never seen anything about wizards n shiet outside of Strange's appearances.

>their B-cast isn't particularly strong
Black Panther and Captain Marvel both pulled in a billion with no cameos.
You might not like them, but the general public eats them up.

Xavier finds the mutants days after they get their powers. 90% of mutants don’t have super obvious destructive powers anyways. He could easily cover up 4 or so events over the span of in 20 years. The only problem is people like Scarlet Witch, who is a member of a Superhero team. The snap activating shit is retarded because mutants are meant to be the next stage in evolution. People are afraid of being replaced is more compelling than people being afraid of a bunch of random freaks.

That's a false equivalence. You act like sorcerers were common, and that guy was the exception who just left after getting his legs fixed.
>Next stage in evolution
No, they're a freak experiment caused from The Celestials with a bullshit gene that has nothing to do with evolution. The X-Gene itself is one of the biggest asspulls in fiction that Stan openly admitted he ran out of ideas on how to give people powers. Evolution is dictated by an organism's need to adapt to changing conditions over millions of years of selective breeding. So no, I don't buy the evolution aspect of X-Men at all. All the X-Gene really is a metahuman virus changes people on the fly into whatever the fuck.

So with all of that said, no, I don't buy any of it.

>implying the public would watch the literal who brigade without the promise of them appearing with Iron Man and Friends at a later date
ridiculous

Mutants don't have to be super common either. They just need to have existed before the snap.

>muh celestials

Fuck off with your Earth X shit. No one cares about that part of the story.

Doesn't change the fact that to call mutants "evolution" ridiculous

Evolution requires changes to happen. A species can't evolve webbed fingers if none of the members ever have traits that would lead to it. Mutants aren't the end of evolution, they're a new beginning. X-men stories never happen over long enough time frames for actual evolution to happen.

How about read a real book for once and understand how evolution actually works

they were always there.

But Black Panther is proof that people would do that.

The x gene is the evolution. It’s a small mutation that expresses itself in a myriad of ways. Sure it’s comic bullshit, but natural mutation is more interesting than “lol oops aliens”

Remember those super well known characters? The guardians of the galaxy.

>2008
>Who would go see an Iron Man movie? No one cares about him outside of comic books
>2014
>Who would go see a Guardians of the Galaxy movie? Not even comic book fans care about them
>2018
>Who would go see a Black Panther movie? No one even knows who he is unless you read comics
>2019
>Who would go see a Captain Marvel movie? Even comic fans hate her

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

75% of the fan base went to see Cap M movie tho

Just say they stayed hidden for so long, but Thanos' snap made the move into actions.
Moviegoers don't give a shit about it, they just want to see Wolverine.

No shit, that's my point.

The most realistic way is probably they've been a secret this whole time until Cyclops or that famous Pathogen mutant fucks everything up and blows the cover for mutants. And then they do a much better version of First Class.

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Are Jackman and Stewart done with the X-Men entirely or will Disney wave a blank check in front of them?

Almost certain neither of them will reprise their roles.

X-Men has better story lines, better characters... Especially villains... A better cosmic universe. Literally no reason to merge it into the dumpster fire of the avengers. You cant even have a good movie with that manu characters without ignoring the lesser known but worthy xmen characters.

Wanda doesnt want to be involved in politics.

>Give Disney ideas for free: The thread.
Don't, anons.