How do we make the single issue floppy comic better?
Should we;
Make them cost 2 or 3 dollars instead of the 4 or 5 dollar standard?
Make them weekly instead of the monthly standard?
Make them 60 or 80 pages long instead of the usual 20 page standard?
-or all of the above?
Getting rid of single issues altogether is not an option.
What do you think?
Cheaper paper for $1
Or return the 4 issues and get 50% discount on the TPB that collect them
I would also like to a for a more satisfying story in each issue than just telling a small snibbit and then leaving a cliffhanger. I'm not suggesting tell your whole story in a single issue but I just don't like having an single issue slow like a slog and go nowhere.
Maybe also bring back anthologies issues, telling many stories in one book that isn't a trade paperback.
or why not give out free #0's in convenient/groceries stores to at least gain interests for new readers.
stop giving me an event every 10 months, and stop having 8 mini series over the year. i just want my uncanny x-men once a month. i dont want ot have to read 8 other comics that month to see what they are talking about, and its your own fault i pirate 75% of the comics i read marvel.
Make the paper quality cheaper as previously stated.
Keep stories condensed to a single issue with occasional multi-part stories. This will be difficult for modern writers because they can't actually write stories, instead they rely on plot twists and edginess.
Standardise the artwork. Peter Parker should look more or less the same no matter who draws him. Again, this is a problem with modern artists because they spend more time showing off the unique way they draw Spider-Man's webbing rather than focusing on the clarity of their storytelling.
90% of the people working in the American comic book industry need to go away as right now the lunatics are running the asylum. 40 year old nerds should not be making comics for themselves.
>Standardise the artwork.
I think what you mean here is impose a style guide like both companies used to employ. I understand your reasoning but as a comics artist myself I could never agree to it, last thing I want to see if mainstream comics art returning to a thousand Lee/Liefeld lookalikes. I'll take inconsistency and occasional delays any day if it means artists get to draw on their own terms (within reason, ofc)
>what do you think?
if you don't like superheroes, you can fuck off.
>Cheaper paper
What IS the difference between the paper that comics used back then compared to now and would using the older paper type be accepted in contemporary comics nowadays?
>Keep stories condensed to a single issue with occasional multi-part stories. This will be difficult for modern writers because they can't actually write stories, instead they rely on plot twists and edginess
Not sure how I feel about this. I like most of the 60s stuff that follows that kinda flow but I don't think that'd help sales, or make reading more satisfying. People'd get bored nowadays if there was character progression without a story arc I feel
Not that user but old comics had newsprint or similar. Newer ones have more glossy, high quality stuff that's relatively expensive, so it raises the cost to the buyer
>anthologies
that shit's fucking dead.
>weekly
just rush everything and stave out creators, why don't you?
>cheaper paper
no
>standardized designs
FUCK NO
>no color
how about fuck you?
There's no fixing the single issue floppy business model. The price doesnt matter because Marvel can't even give issues away for free. The paper quality doesnt matter because again, it's not about the price.
Floppy comics don't sell because they're like buying phone books. No one uses phone books anymore because they have smart phones. Likewise, no one reads comics because the MCU has made them moot. Adding to this, floppies are just inherently messy: they're a pain to store, a pain to maintain and most of them just don't have rereading value at all.
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You're not going to save a huge amount unless you switch to something of really low quality, the issue with that being using a really shitty paper could turn off consumers. Comics switched to magazine gloss because the price of gloss dropped compared to what they were using.
That's fair. I haven't looked into the reasons for the switch enough or how viable solutions are. I appreciate the insight. It's a shame though, surely dropping the price *somehow* would help
>Cut old writers
>Hire new ones
>Pay them shit
>Remember, idiots buy characters not writers
>????
>Profit
So cut down on profits so that the geeks that are already buying the trash you're putting out aren't annoying by ad pages "breaking up the flow and pacing reeee". Brilliant.
It feel like, to me, single issues should be a small story of a larger narrative instead of just a small fraction of a story. One issue tells one story while the whole collective (12) issues is the entire story. It feels like nowadays floppies just leave on cliffhangers just to be told next issue and repeat.
Floppies should be like single chapters of a novel like how episodes are to a season(al arc) of a show.
Reminds me of All-Star Superman where one issue is about Clark meets up with his future descendants in Smallville while another issue focus around him and Lex escaping a prison riot. Every individual issue tells ONE contained story but when put together, tells a larger story, one about a powerful man doing 12 great feats before his end.
do tankoban style books, or release trades exclusively
for DC have a monthly book with
>Action Comics
>Detective Comics
>Wonder woman
call it DC: Trinity. or at least have the vertigo books released like that. sell it for 5 bucks everywhere. theres no reason why i can get archie books but not DC/Marvel books at the grocery store.
making weekly would fine, maybe for bigger events like doomsday clock or heroes in crisis, do it once every two weeks. waiting a month between issues is stupid and antiquated.
Is there a comic book series (even if it is a Indie comic) that does single issues right that DC or Marvel doesn't?
Do Mangas do it right (whatever that is, whatever their floppy equivalent is)
> anthologies are dead
Shonen Jump says hi
> inb4 "IT'S A DIFFICULT CULTURE"
Well it's a successful, healthy, fun culture, and America should be doing everything it can to emulate. Data on the popularity of manga has been around as long as Yea Forums has, so there's is no pretending that we have not been aware of the North American industry decline and Japan's steadiness.
The Walmart Giants, which aren't going to be Walmart exclusive soon, are a step in the right direction. It'd be nice if they were less reprints and more new stuff.
>backwards ass country likes anthologies
of course it thrives there.
imagine trying to sell single manga issues with the shitty paper, no color and anemic number of pages. nobody would stand for it. actually the gooks would still buy it because they're all pushovers.
are the single issue floppies even in danger?
> Cape Movies have made capes irrelevant, which has also hurt the comic book industry.
Exactly. Miles Morales has been around eight years. Handled by several writers and artists Can you name a single story line that can be reprinted for years ahead? Where is MIles's "Year One", "If This be My Destiny", etc.
Now to compare, How many jokes and lines can you remember from "Enter the Spiderverse?" Can you name your favorite scene? What's the ship your artist is drawing with Miles?
The movies have gotten to a point where I will wait two years to see Miles Morales (or any superhero) again before I go to a specialty shop to read the comic they're in.
Shonen Jump got a release in the US and flopped miserably. It's not a good strategy for the West, especially with dozens of titles per Marvel and DC.
Make everything graphic novels
Net revenue loss. Also the people who can't figure out how to buy trades now wouldn't suddenly figure it out after it was all trades
>Can you name a single story line that can be reprinted for years ahead?
his first volume, Spider-Men and the one where he fucks Spider-Gwen for 6 issues.
I'm aware of that, I probably own more Pulp comics than anyone in the state that isn't where DarkHorse Comics is located did nobody ask any critical questions as to *why* it failed. That we just threw our hands up in the air and said "LOL JAPAN IS JUST JAPAN" despite anthologies like Shonen Jump is sold in the same model in several other Western Countries, Asia and places like South America?
I feel like dating the issues contained in trades would make it easier on consumers
You're right. I'm sure no one at all out of the dozens, if not hundreds, of people who saw the Jump model fail in the US asked why. They just stopped publishing without ever looking at the factors involved. Truly, I am beaten here.
Mass transit. Shonen Jump and the other phonebooks were built around the notion that your average child through college age commuter is going to buy one, read it throughout the week on their daily commutes, then toss it in the garbage and buy a new one next week.
Cheap paper plus digital code for $2.50
bundle related/family books, 3 super family books, x books, Bat shit, etc for $5
this. back to the weisinger model.
There's always one Yea Forums retard in these threads who thinks the solution is just to ape superior Nippon. If it were that simple, the industry would've done so years ago.
Cringe
Hell, I know back in the 90's and 00's people in the industry were talking about trying to copy what Japan was doing. We ended up getting decompressed stories out of it.
Right, but the American comics industry is still dying, so hypothetical aren't exactly viable (you know, like floppies?)