Comic Sales and Manga

He means the entire volume, Manga is not sold in invididual chapters it's sold every 3 months(for weekly) and more for monthly, all in a compiled book.

Magazines are the ones that have individual chapters, which is another reason I think Manga is so popular and varied. You can be reading One Piece and then jump to Black Clover or other genres in the same magazine meanwhile for comics you need to go out of your way to find other series.

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You could make the same argument for comic story arcs. It's the same shit, different organizing.

Kids don't buy traditional comics. Just look at the numbers for those kids graphical novels like Smile and Diary of a Wimpy Kid that sell hundreds of thousands or millions per volume like manga, but that entire market has completely abandoned traditional comics. A 10 year old isn't going out and getting the latest volume of Action Comics or whatever.

on the other hand, buying a weekly mag if you just want one story means you're paying extra for stuff you don't want.

Jujutsu is quite good, pacing really is abnormal too the mangaka often joins together fights with training arcs so the characters learn as they fight which helps dealing with stuff that feels like filler(Hero Academia suffers badly from this, Villains attack>Training Arc>Villains Attack>Tournament Arc>Training Arc>Villains Attack>Rescue Arc>Training Arc>Villains Attack

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The market has abandoned traditional floppy comics. Only diehards or a specific age group buy them anymore.

Manga is easier to get into and is allowed greater story expression. (Artists have FAR more leeway for sex/gore/nudity than traditional big two comics.)

Also, by their nature, most eventually end. This gives the reader a sense of eventual closure that can be somewhat lacking in western releases.

Doesn't matter comics are timeless, Manga will never outlive its creators.

In 30 years some guy who grew up reading Bendis' Superman will bring back his favorite character Ragu Zarr while if Oda gets bored with 1P tomorrow, the book ends and will fade away for the next fad manga to overtake it.

But that's rarely the case, seriously most people like more than 1 manga in a magazine.

And even then it's not really a good argument because you can simply go and buy the entire volume just for that manga instead of the magazine.

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because mangas don´t pander to sjw/feminist/liberals and still have sexy big breasted characters

Japan demands higher art quality from artists. Several horror stories are out there from gifted artists who had awesome art but were rejected for not having anatomy down 100%. (This actually created a trend where artists did hentai work for a bit to improve basic anatomy)

The current western industry has a FAR lower standard. Especially now that webcomic artists are being hired on the regular by Marvel/DC. Standards have gone way down under the cover of "all art is different and expressive."

Though Japan does have its drawbacks. Artists have famously been pushed hard and many actually develop illness from overwork. It has gotten to the point that many are working 20 hour days with the idea that they will have plenty of time to relax once the series is over and they have made their money.

That kind of workaholic attitude would never fly in the current western art environment. Many would just up and find different kinds of work and many would declare it modern day slavery.

I can't tell if you're being ironic or not. Fans being writers is easily the worst thing that happens to comics. I can tell you that Toriyama doesn't give a flying fuck if Goku is stronger than other Manga heroes or Superman but I can tell you easily that current Superman writers that grew up jerking off to him get absolutely assblasted about it and it's the reason wank for certain characters exists, n-nno Flash has to be the fastest ever, attosecond Clark!.

In manga it's what happens when Spin-Offs come out for a certain Series, a popular example is Saint Seiya in the original series the Gold Saints are powerful cool characters but they're not mains and they have their own corner. In the spin-offs written by people that were fans of Saint Seiya the Gold Saints end up being wanked to oblivion and given protagonist roles.

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That just makes comics worse.

Different readership culture, though. It's like how earlier generations used to buy whole albums, and would listen to most of that album whether they particularly liked the whole album or not; versus now where mp3's allow you to just buy/pirate one song and not give a fuck about the rest of the album (which you might have ended up liking if you gave it a chance). Or, alternatively, newspaper comic pages. You might start reading Peanuts, but end up reading most of the comics present.

I used to dislike manga, but the reality is that in recent years it has surpassed american comics in quality significantly. I no longer have a comic shop pull list and probably never will again. Weebs were right all along. Fuck.

>recent years
More like you only started reading recently.

Could the North American Comic Book Industry actually do a weekly or bi-weekly anthology book?

We have better internet capabilities, so it's not as if the author needs to have his assistants in their house or studio to crank out completed pages. I don't necessarily need full color or even good paper quality if it means getting five or six stories at about 15-18 pages.

It's an easy answer:

Manga is flat out superior in both art and story quality now. It can deal with subjects and situations that modern comics would never be able to do. Western comics have retreated heavily into basically being corporate brands and IP farms. Most manga is still basic storytelling at heart.

It's still cheap though. If you truly only line one series then you can just trade wait.

because anime (and manga) have become mainstream and normie

I honestly can't wait for something to kill both Marvel and DC.
Nothing's any fucking fun when every comic you can buy is superheroes.
Nothing's any fucking fun when the flagship series are the same goddamn ones your grandfather used to read.
Nothing's any fucking fun when the Comics Code Authority aborted the industry in the name of politics and turned everything into garbage before you were born.

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>Manga is easier to get into.
From people i know in real life, I would say that manga is actually consumed more, because of its accessibility on the internet instead of "it's not rebooted every 5 months". Comics on the other hand, even if they are already in the PD are harder to come by and many people just don't want to buy things they don't know if they'd enjoy.

>We have better internet capabilities
No you don't

sauce for this, user?

>ANN
publishes the articles in English but they take it from Oricon

Art quality is a big one. We've seen a big decrease in the viable artist pool over the last decade or so. Many of the big names have either died, retired, or moved away from superhero comics.

Both Marvel/DC pay basically welfare wages. It's a little better now that many artists can work from home, scan, and then e-mail their work, but the large majority will have trouble making ends meet.

Everyone being in the same place is because assistants only ink stuff and work with backgrounds, they don't come every day either just 1 or 2 days after the author is done with everything else.

It leads to Peter Parket not having long hair in one chapter and short one the next.

It's just more accessible all around. You get a single main story with maybe a few spin-offs that aren't required reading and generally offer more content for cheaper cost.
Add to that a lot of manga can typically be found on scan sites so you can read them before buying and get a first impression there. Free chapters do help with publicity and while comics now have their own dedicated scan sites they haven't been around for nearly as long.

Read Isekai Put-- I mean Purchinov, user

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Scan sites are illegal as fuck in Japan and you'll end up in jail until your grandkids have grandkids

>illegal as fuck in Japan
I'm talking about NA, not Japan.

Comics are fundamentally too corporate. The overabundance on Superheros have basically turned them into walking billboards run by committee.

You can actually tell a story with manga.

NA sales are irrelevant, frogs alone buy 10 times the amount of manga.

It has been tried a few times, but it usually ends in disaster or doing very low numbers.

The market is very avoidant to change and isn't willing to accept compromises. (True anthology books would likely need to be printed on cheaper paper and without color to be bare minimum viable nowadays)

It might be school/college edginess but I know the hard PG-13 to even hard R rated stuff in a lot of cases appeal to kids.

Most comics are basically PG now. Especially Marvel after the Disney buyout. (Both in situations and in the fact that most female superhero outfits have been changed to be more unisex.)

Nudity and sex sells. Especially to the young and hormonal who can't access internet porn. (Looks at the insane market dominance monsters girls had a few years ago)

There have been multiple anthology magazines launched over the span of decades but almost all died out, only exception I can think of being Heavy Metal.
American comic anthologies don't have something like Japan's commuter culture to benefit from.

What would happen to comics if Marvel and DC left the market? Would everyone abandon them or could this pave the way for a brighter future? Honestly I'd rather take that risk than having like only 3 good books on the market.

>only exception I can think of being Heavy Metal.

Heavy Metal was able to survive because it became more like a traditional article magazine. (Basically like what happened to Playboy. You could read different editorials/articles between the girl pics)

It also was one of the only publications during its heyday that was willing to embrace the abstract science fiction and fantasy crowds.

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>Nudity and sex sells. Especially to the young and hormonal

This.

Even if people have access to internet porn, they will still be attracted to characters and will more likely be willing to read/experience stories with those characters in it.

While it's a video game, Overwatch is a clear cut example of this. People like the majority of the female cast and the sheer ludicrous amount of cgi porn is testament to it.

god anime is so fucking autistic

Reminder that you have to divide manga sales by the number of "Chapters" in each book. Checkmate.

Magazines are not free, you pay for individual chapters. And that honestly makes no sense

The scene is from a manga for grown up women. This manga in particular is about a unmarried woman because she is bitter and whining and had unrealistic expectatives about their partners. Very funny desu.

>Most comics are basically PG now. Especially Marvel after the Disney buyout.

This is a good point. Smoking/alcohol and blatant sexuality are almost non-existent in the current modern era.

It's a long way from the 80's were DC would allow butts and even nipples as long as they were shrouded in darkness.

Part of the reason is how from the 90s, and even some extent back in the 80s, anime/manga was marketed as something completely different from cartoons/comics. This is mature media for mature people such as myself, etc. Even though they're the exact same thing.

>even nipples as long as they were shrouded in darkness.

There was a time in the early 90's were both Marvel and DC let artists really get away with it.

I always wondered if it was the erotic suspense/thriller trend that was going on in films rubbing off. They both died off around the same time as well. (95-96)

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>the mangaka often joins together fights with training arcs so the characters learn as they fight which helps dealing with stuff that feels like filler
That's just asspulls disguised as training arcs. Pretty common, and frankly, cheap technique used to keep the momentum, because once it's gone, the series has nothing to offer. Pretty much the same shit Bleach did.
I'll take clearly separated story and training arcs over that.

Because Japan is based and creators don't live in fear of having their own vision or having to pander to keep off a dox list

Being a comic creator in the west is suffering.

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>Because Japan is based and creators don't live in fear of having their own vision or having to pander to keep off a dox list
They instead have to worry about popularity rankings and work endlessly to keep their series popular or risk getting pulled. It's one reason Bleach got canned.

Because comics went for the specialized market, making more expensive and niche stuff instead of trying to keep the broad appeal of the earlier years of the medium.
This happened because of declining sales as years went on due to the Code keeping comics from offering something to more mature readers, therefore people would just grow out of comics instead of growing from one type of comics into another. So, instead of a long-term plan of trying to make their readership grow, they went for the quick buck of pandering to their existing fanbase and make everything more exclusive and therefore, expensive. This came back to bit them in the ass in the 90s crash and the industry hasn't recovered and probably never will.

>who can't access internet porn.

This demographic does not exist in the western world.

Those must be plastic tits or she has some sort of anti-gravity superpower we don't know about yet.

>blatant sexuality are almost non-existent in the current modern era
There's still plenty of sex in modern era comics. Don't you remember Catwoman and Batman fucking in the New 52?

>Don't you remember Catwoman and Batman fucking in the New 52?

That was 8 years ago though.

Comics were ruined when the CCA was enforced causing a monopoly on the superhero genre
Comics were ruined when Diamond became the sole distributor allowing them to continue an outdated practice for distribution via the LCS system
Comics were ruined when nostalgiafags took over the Big 2 and prevented any sort of meaningful change because they can't imagine a character staying married or having kids and not realizing that there's a market and audience out there aside from their already established core, aging fanbase
Comics (Big 2) were ruined when they had a grander focus on constant events and crossovers causing little newcomers interested to be on board
Comics were ruined when people started accepting shitty poser art and traced garbage because they met a deadline
Comics were ruined when people tried to imitate Gaiman, Moore, and Miller but only made themselves look like overly pretentious edgy hacks
Comics were ruined when they became nothing but IP farms and Yea Forums pitches
Comics were ruined when decompression became the norm

How many times does this have to be said in an East vs West thread you fucking faggots?

It's still the current modern era of comics, and it's just what popped in my mind 'cause I haven't kept up with mainstream comics for a few years, but I'm sure there's plenty of more examples. What has diminished is the amount gratuituous cheescake.

>It's one reason Bleach got canned.
Maybe the anime series, because Kubo announced before the final arc that it's going to end there - he most likely was fed up with it as well.
Once you break a certain number of chapters (depending on the magazine and genre), you're free to go as long as you please, just don't lose more than half of your readers in a span of few chapters.

>It's still the current modern era of comics

This is highly debatable. Disney buying out Marvel is starting to look like the beginning of a new era.

As oppose to comics that don't sell at all but still stick around because of agendas?

Only the strong should survive

But we live in a onions world

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Even if that was the case, we're not into such new era yet.

I was reading Chris Claremont Uncanny X Men and there were issues where you could see Storm's nipples

It's an easy answer.

Western comics have effectively been swallowed up by the culture wars in the west. We literally have people who are comparable to the religious right dictating and gate-keeping what should be in comics.

While they continue to try and worm in and infiltrate manga, Japan has basically told them to pound sand.

If that is the case then why don't Image books sell better that have all those adult things in them?

Walking Dead was outselling everything for quite awhile.

Casual

>W-what do you mean our sales are in the toilet?!
>Let's reboot fifty times, make twenty events that go no where, and undo literally all plot, story, and character progression over the last twenty years
>Let's do this every ten years when we lose relevance
gee, i wonder why
i wonder why people would want to read a story driven comic where actions have consequences, usually involving a new character that's unfamiliar, and doesn't get erased and undone every decade or so?

Yeah, the complete obsolete distribution system, the complete inability of finding a new approach to the business after the 90s crash and the decades old monopolic actions by DC & Marvel are only minor inconveniences. It's all about the SJWs.

The Walking Dead and Saga are it though. Nothing else at Image really sells close to those. If there was such a big appetite for more adult content in comics why aren't more reading other Image books?

no one in america reads comics

Do you even know how comic book distribution works? Marvel and DC just saturate the market to the point where the shelf space available for smaller companies is much smaller, and they do a lot of other nasty shit through the rigged distribution system that always benefit them. This are different in the trade market, where it's a bit more even and Image sales are much stronger than in the floppy market.

Because Diamond doesn't count the following
Digital sales, trade sales, discounted comics, bought comics and sold comics. Only Pre-ordered or shipped comics. And Comics by Diamond's made up law can only be sold in comic shops, unlike Manga where you can sell them literally anywhere

Diamond not being broken up and allowed to function as a monopoly is IMO a huge factor.

It took fucking forever for digital distribution to finally happen. (and with matching physical cover price)

I have no doubt that if digital comics had been allowed to be priced cheaper than physical, the market would be in a VASTLY different place today.

People forget that Manga is in a different dimension of cutthroat degeneracy, where your editors are more retarded than any Western Comics suit alive, and your sanity and physical well being is always hanging by a thread, look at any indie mangaka who goes nuts when his series is canceled or how the HxH creator is always dying from a different disease every other month.

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>or how the HxH creator is always dying from a different disease every other month.

Yeah, Japanese work culture is insane. It's one of the things that would never work outside Japan. Artists would die or riot.

What? There are plenty of timelessly popular manga. DBZ, Saint Seiya, Astroboy, etc.

I’d argue there are plenty of timeless manga, and some even being created now (Naruto makes billions a year in video game sales, One Piece is the most sold comic ever, etc).

Manga is more mainstream in Japan while comics are niche in the US.

I mean, manga volumes are cheap as fuck in Japan ($3~5) and so are the weekly magazines.

For hours of entertainment it’s not a very bad purchase (though, I’d argue video games are the most cost effective way to get entertainment, given a $60 game can give hundreds of hours of fun).

>all this projection
Literally the only thing that happens in Super is Goku or some other character like Beerus getting stronger showings for the sake of it. He even threw his own beloved gag characters Arale and Dr. Mashirito's ghost at Beerus just to get obliterated so he can say "ROOK HOW STRONG MUH NEW CAT OC IS!!!" It was fucking SHAMELESS! Meanwhile Superman writers just want stories to reflect the eras they were most fond of/familiar with and little else, with Moore prefering the silver age, Bendis only knowing the 00's and maybe parts of the 90's, Morrison loving most eras, etc.

>Meanwhile Superman writers just want stories to reflect the eras they were most fond of/familiar with and little else
That's a lie and you know it.

>Being a comic creator in the west is suffering.
Yeah, nipps creators living the live, sure

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I'm not doubting you, but how many Manga Rockstars have told their editor to go fuck themselves? Like I hear Araki and The Attack on Titan guy do it constantly.

First of all Beerus lost to gag characters, he literally caught a diarrhea so you're just a dumb powerlevel faggot.

Second, Toriyama barely has any input he just sends shit like
>there's this gray alien he's very strong
>Frieza joins U7 to fight
>Goku gets a new transformation
>Good work, you can handle the rest however you want! *raughs*

There's entire articles and interviews with Toyotaro or Toei people about it
Famous mangaka do whatever they want.

Just because one set of creators have it bad does not mean everyone else has it good.

Because current comics suck

I don't particularly care about what happens in My Hero Academia, but lazily follow it for the girls.

Isn't the most famous Toriyama vs Editor moment was
>Hey I want the androids to be the villains
>Fuck you, no dead kids
>Okay here's this bug thing I shat out
>It's too ugly make him more human
>Okay here you go
>Too many spots fuck you

Monthly stuff also tends to have page counts in the mid-30s and more detailed art, especially if it's seinen.

1) New stories set in their own universe without decades of cannon shit/ non superhero stories

2) I payed $25 for a fucking year of jump. I got like 4 pulls a month that equal that
3) I don’t have to buy miles morales spider man, carnage, and another venom comic to get the full stout of the current arc of the symboit god

>Why do Comics sell so little when compared to Manga?
Gee I dunno

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I was talking about the trade market though. Outside TWD and Saga nothing in Image sells that well in trades. Image lost half of its trade sales now that TWD has collapsed.

>Manga is flat out superior in both art and story quality now.
Manga will always be inferior in art department to western comics, because it doesn't leave the room for color expresssion and lacks depth as a result. It's just the style of drawing, that forces cleaner linework, so the drawing is more readable in black and white, especially on cheap-ass paper that magazines are printed on. This can be seem clearly when mangakas actually try to color their work. They either use some faggy watercolors for the first few pages of the chapter, or they do digital that is on the level of western comics from late90s/early00s, when boomer colorists just got their computers and were learning how to do the basics. They don't have the room to transform the art.
It doesn't mean that mangakas are less skilled than western pencillers, it means that their art doesn't has the depth of western art by design. It's like comparing reliefs to sculptures.

>now that TWD has collapsed.
Comic should have ended long ago. Or Kirkman should have come up with something new instead of the same old ''Rick joins new community and fucks everything up''.

A fucking ballet series is the best thing I've seen do training stuff in, well, ever insomuch that the entire series is the MC realizing there's always things to learn and always ways to improve and then having competitions that actually feel like a culmination of what she's learned as she puts it all together.

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>DUDE EPIC TWO PAGE SPREADS MAKING UP FOR MEDIOCRE STORYTELLING AND CONSTANT CLIFFHANGERS LMAO
Weebs are so fucking stupid.

Even though TWD sales have tanked it is still far and away Image's biggest seller.

It is funny that I remember years ago there was this BIG rush for all these Big 2 creators to jump to image to create their own self own comic and people thought it would lead to this new boom in independent titles, but it never happened.

Anthologies don't sell to the people that read comics (increasingly aging, largely male readers that have been reading for a long time already and still regularly go to comic shops or kids buying shit from Scholastic book fairs) so probably not. You'd likely have to do web magazines like some manga publisher do (Watamote is published in one for instance).

>Would everyone abandon them or could this pave the way for a brighter future?
DC and Marvel have over 70% of the market between them. If even one of them were to fail the whole thing would fall like a house of cards. Like it or not The Big 2 have become a necessary evil

There's a lot more genre variety. People will go "not all comics are capes" but even in the non-cape books a lot of them feel don't feel all that different, mainly because a lot of them are written with the intent of getting adapted for film or TV so even if the actual content is different, the writing makes every book feel like a samey storyboard or proof of concept.

I can't imagine shit like Bard Loen or Kenrantaru Grande Scene coming out from an American publisher.

There's plenty of absolutey putrid coloring that detracts from and ruins the art in American comics m8 especially nowadays. I struggle to think of any American colorist as good with color as Takamichi and the fucker just does loli magazine covers and the occasional non-loli manga.

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Manga is just simpler to get into than comics.
You have a manga series, and it has a clear beginning and end, start at one, finish about 20 volumes later with almost no crossover events to worry about.
You only have to get the new one irregularly as opposed to every Wednesday.
It's cheaper, paying $10 for about 200 pages as opposed to $20 for about the same, but what looks like much less.
And then there's the fact that for most people, Comics is synonymous with Superheroes, with the occasional outlier.

Now, we as comics fans know that most of this is a load of shit, but that's how it appears on the surface.

Ken Akamatsu actually did it twice with Negima. He wanted an action series, his editors wanted Love Hina. So he started it out as Fantasy Love Hina then just kept slowly adding more action stuff in and by the point the editors realized what was happening it was too late. Then while it was mega popular they tried to start taking control of the series so he told them to get fucked and ended it.

>There's plenty of absolutey putrid coloring that detracts from and ruins the art in American comics m8 especially nowadays.
And that defeats my point about manga not being designed for color how exactly?
>I struggle to think of any American colorist as good with color as Takamichi and the fucker just does loli magazine covers and the occasional non-loli manga.
Well how about you lurk moar then, cause you bring me some fairly competent digital cover which is not remarkable in any way, and act like it's some apex coloring. Also not sure if you know this, but covers ain't interiors.

user, Bleach get a rushed ending. And the world is a better place because of it.

i keep getting ads for korean webtoon apps

how are those sellin

The japanese creators had much more less freedom that you think. A editor can force a mangako to change the story and to remove/add characters if that will give a bump to a series. Only a few selected mangakas are capable to overrule their editors and wrote whatever pleased them.

>Why do Comics sell so little when compared to Manga?

one of the reasons is that DC and Marvel are stuck to a system that publishers are not free to tell stories and the best artists are abandoned comics for good

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>one set of creators have it bad
More like the 90% of the mangakas have it bad. In Japan you are a successful who doesn't need to work anymore or you are a wage slave of the editorial. There is nothing in betwen.

There’s some great colorists working in comics today man, to the point where their names are put on the cover as a selling point. Off the top of my head: Dean White, Jordie Bellaire, Francesco Francavilla, Matt Hollingsworth, Laura Allred. You need to read moar

How long till One Piece passes Batman for 2nd most comics sold?

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>manga has better stories
>the fucking 4000 bones story is better

reminder that flop in the shell and flop angel flopped. the only jap ip that does good overseas is the goku movie which is 10% superman rip-off and 90% yelling. whoever thinks that's good cannot criticize anything.

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These are Japanese sales numbers, right? What are the sales numbers in the US?

hello fa/tv/irgin.

>superior manga writing
I must laugh harder

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>The current western industry has a FAR lower standard.

That's because it doesn't pay at all.

All the real talent has abandoned mainstream publishers for higher paying studio gigs or their own independent projects.

I think a lot of it largely depends on what publisher/magazine you're in as well. With Jump (and maybe Shueisha in general) there's likely a huge amount of pressure all around but I doubt someone doing a series for Champion Red, Monthly Afternoon or Big Comic Spirits is going to have quite the same level of pressure.

>Why do Comics sell so little when compared to Manga?
Well I can only speak for mysefl, but the reasons why I prefer manga to comics are because:

1.-Manga is more consistent. Comics change writers all the time, while manga are always made by the same author (aside from spin offs)

2.-Manga offers a more complete experience because it´s more self contained. Wanna know what´s going on on Attack on TItan? just read the last 10 years of Attack on TItan, sure, 10 years is a lot, but is a single straight line. Wanna know what´s going on with Spiderman? read the last 20-30 years of The Amazing Spider, Avengers, read all Marvel events, etc. It´s frustrasting.

3.-Mangaka are more focused on being entertaining than western comic book writers.

4.-Mangaka are not afraid to pander to the base while western comic writers always have to walk on eggshells to be "inclusive"

5.-Manga has more variety.

Different cultures. Japan has their own unique take on life and society that can only exist in their small little island nation. It grew from years of isolation and tradition into what we know today. I'm not gonna try and pretend I know their culture only that I know that it and what they like in comics is different from the U.S.

The U.S on the other hand has always liked the appeal of superheros for what they represent. They don't need anyone's help to get the job done and we want to be as cool and strong as them.

I will say that the large landmass that is North America doesn't allow for an interconnected community of comic lovers to develop and demand a change. In Japan their big nerd culture fanbase are clustered into their own provinces and can demand change just by being vocal. In America that can't happen just because it's so sparse.

>Manga is doing well so comics are doing well too

Is this the Yea Forums equivalent of trickle down economics?

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Independent projects don't pay for shit, numbnuts. That's why you always see a lot of them crawl to the big two for a gig or two before returning to their indie projects that they hope can sell to a movie studio.
The difference is that the japanese are workaholics and are happy to work for their food and rent while muricans have delusions of grandeur and want to be millionaires.

Mainstream DC/Marvel =/= all comics you fucking casual. And therein lies the true reason for poor comics sales, it's just too niche for casual normies like (you) to know much if anything about so you assume everything is all corporate Capeshit the same way lots of people assumed all manga is shonen trash.

>4.-Mangaka are not afraid to pander to the base while western comic writers always have to walk on eggshells to be "inclusive"

You're implying that talent working at the big two have any freedom whatsoever.

We're not in the 90's anymore, pal.

70-80% of comics is DC/Marvel. Of the other 20%, three thirds of it is low brow action-y cape-lite trash.

I really wonder if the entire cape genre will dissolve or get scaled back whenever Marvel and DC are forced to abandon the Direct Market.

Capes as we know them have very niche appeal.

Why does this thread keep happening? People in America don't read anymore. They don't have the attention span for it. 140 characters or less is the mantra.

People in Japan commute for 2-4 hours a day, so they all read. Case closed.

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Only the top of that chart, #s 1-5, outsell their American peers. The drop-off is much steeper in manga- you have to get much lower than #30 to be only moving 20,000 units.

What's this from?

You do realize Twitter is huge in Japan, right?

1. so you're stuck with a potential hackXhack

2. blatant lie. cape comics love reminding you of one essential detail of a story.

3. this one makes me cringe.

4. this is what gave manga their reputation for softcore porn trash. good job.

5. yet the biggest sellers are the counterpart to cape comics.

because you aren´t allowed to have stuff like this anymore in comics
comics are all 100% anti white male, pro feminist and sjw all the time now

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And so is manga. Any other nits you'd like to pick?

>thinking black cat was ever good

>People in America don't read anymore. Th
then how come mangas sell well in america as while american comics are doing even worse in japan then they already do in america?

>then how come mangas sell well in america
Compared to what?
>as while american comics are doing even worse in japan then they already do in america?
Are you arguing the only option Japs have for reading is American comic books?

Try your post again

That's the point, some characters were never good but at least they were eye candy. Now they are still bad but also we should be grateful because they are empowering for women or some shit. Fuck that!

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manga trades are what sell well, in fact all trades do. nobody would buy single issues of manga, that's why they're all in magazines.

ok faggot

>manga
>good

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Diamond needs to die

>he judges anime/manga syccess by shitty live action western remakes

Shaking my head at the STUPIDITY

Name me some good western comic books then with great covers. Not some Ennis or anything capeshit.

And to make it harder, name me comics that:

>is a romance about musicians (Nodame Cantabile)
>is about food, cooking food or food battles (shokugeki no soma, the drops of gods and ishinbo)
>is a sports drama solely and purely (lots of example, but Ill just name Slam Dunk)
>is a mahou shoujo series (too many to list, and the only American counterpart I can think off that qualifies was Tomboy)

I can think of a number of western mecha series. There may be a sports comic but I have not seen those in a while. But I really have not seen a western comic deal pimarily in food or music.

(Chew does not count because its technically capeshit. And yes I loved Chew)

Because the markets are different.

You don't have a mass comic readership in the US because you don't have the commuter culture Japan developed. So in Japan you have a demand for cheap, mass-produced entertainment. That's why manga is done in quick and easy art styles on toilet paper and rarely printed in color and comes in phone books.

In America, you got a collector's market. You got people paying 10 dollars for a 20 page book that they'll polybag.

You might as well ask why there are more Fords than Ferarris.

Also, because the commuter culture isn't in America, comics outsell manga to the point the English shonen jump had to cut losses and go digital.

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>Manga
>Doing good in America
AHAHAHAHA

Go ahead and post that bookscan disinfo from a few years ago. I'll wait.

Nigger all your examples suck dick. Anyone that would read romances or fucking sports stories should kill themselves for their horrible taste.

This.

Holy Jesus you casual assholes.

It's a mass market vs a collector's market. It's the most simple fucking thing to grasp and yet it constantly eludes the asshats that make these threads.

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>is about food

Flavor by Image comics is the only one I can think of. But that only came out in 2018. Also there is the whole fantasy thing going on so it may not be what you're going for.

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>It's a weeaboo confuses gimmics for genres episode

I could ask you which mangas had the last several arcs of JLA and you'd be scatching your head in confusion.

And yet those manga do well in Japan. An opinion like yours may explain why comics remain in the rut while manga does well.

>last several arcs of JLA
That is also like saying which shounen mangas are part of a primary company that incorporates a whole lot of random comics coming together to participate in one massive storyline.

Like, the only manga that I think did anything close to that was Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle. CLAMP cinematic universe when

>east vs west
The other half of Yea Forums Edition

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Please show me where they are on OP's list of best sellers in Japan.

I'll wait.

>Comics in a rut while manga does well
See Next time don't skip over posts dumbshit. Comics are doing fine for a collector's market. You might as well ask why Hot Wheels outsell Johnny Lightning or LEGO outsells Sideshow Collectibles.

The quads demand it. Someone fund a CLAMP cinematic universe

Nah you just have shit taste my man

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>CLAMP
Oh dear god no.

>Expensive
>Niche
>Boring
>Bullshit convoluted franchises pretending to be “stories” written by dozens of people over 80 years that make Kingdom Hearts look comprehensible
>90% tired cape franchise zombies and 10% liberal college kiddies bitching about their lives

>It's a weeb infestation thread
Still sore about Broly not even making Ant Man and the Wasp numbers?

The money Spider-Man alone makes as a license could let Disney buy Shuiesha. Cape characters are the superior characters as chosen by the market.

Suck it down weebs.

>Expensive
>Niche
Yes and?

>Boring
Compared to what? The dozens of isekai/harem wish fulfillment or regurgitated shonen swill like Black Clover?

>Convoluted franches pretending to be stories
The more convuluted the franchise the more its beloved. Look at Dragon Ball. Look at Star Trek. Look at Star Wars. Look at Gundam.

If you think a franchise is too complicated to follow you're just a brainlet.

>Franchise zombies
Remind me again how much Captain Marvel the Z-grade Avenger is making in her movie again?

How does it compare to Broly? Please remind me, I forgot.

talking about comics/manga here pal, saying that marvel and dc are just glorified IP farms doesn't exactly add the to conversation

Cope

Based , I can't think of a single western comic that is EXACTLY like Arpeggio of Blue Steel. Which is basically the same trope and idea as Kantai Collection. Which is girls that are warships.

>inb4 Über

I said GIRLS only. But its close.

>CLAMP
Go back to Yea Forums you pedos.

>When taken out of their respective market spheres and placed against each other in the arena of movies and franchising, capes take Japanese IPs and make war brides out of them
>Cope

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>Shueisha not an IP farm
Wat

Nigger they're all IP farms. Everything is owned by a giant parent company these days.

>disliking CLAMP goddesses

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>In the US only the One Piece equivalents sell
True

>And they compete for the entire market
False. Only in bookstores. They're a tiny sliver of LCS sells.

which wiki article is this? I wanna see whole list

>Batman and Superman are on the list
>But not DC as a whole
>But Jump gets on the list
That's some dirty, dirty tactics weeb editors.

comparing single issues to trade paperbacks despite noting how manga comes out weekly.

???

again, we're talking about comic and manga sales, it's right there in the title of the OP. if all you have to say in defense of comics is "muh movies" then I suggest fucking off back to Yea Forums

How does World's End Harem compare to Y: The Last Man? Premise looks similar.

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>Jump counts as "one franchise"
>Marvel and DC don't and get atomized into individual characters
Absolute niggers. Be fair and put Disney at the top. You already have "Disney Princesses" so why not go the whole hog?

>Yes and?
People don’t buy it
>Compared to what?
Manga spans dozens of genres with literally thousands of unique stories to choose from
>The more convuluted the franchise the more its beloved.
Not for newcomers
>Remind me again how much Captain Marvel the Z-grade Avenger is making in her movie again?

What does this even mean?

The sells are different because of different markets made in different cultures.

This has been explained to you before.

When the characters are placed in the same medium (film) with the same appeal across cultures, manga characters get raped.

How are you not understanding this? What mental block is tripping you up?

No matter what the reasons are the truth of the matter is that manga sales > comic sales. Pathetic really.

Touch a nerve did I? Cope

DC doesnt publish primarily through an anthology magazine
Plenty of individual manga IPs are on the list too

>People don't buy it
They do, especially in the American market where capes beat out manga.

>Spans dozens of genres with thousands of unique stories to choose from
"Fighting chef magical girls" isn't a story. It's a marketing tactic that's only remembered by otaku.

>Not for newcomers
Yes for newcomers brainlet.

Just admit to your ADD.

>What does this even mean

How much did Broly make and how much did Carol make?

Try and keep up here. Are you ESL?

>Can't refute the argument
>Cant' even address the argument
>C-Cope
Looking real strong there user.

That isn't JUMP as a whole either

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>When the characters are placed in the same medium (film) with the same appeal across cultures, manga characters get raped.
Even if we take this statement at face value, it has nothing to do with topic at hand. This is a board for comics, and this is a thread about comics. I think you're looking for Yea Forums or Yea Forums.

>How are you not understanding this? What mental block is tripping you up?
I hope the irony of this statement isn't lost on you, but based on the fact you're about to reply to me, it probably is.

>Manga IPs count Jump appearances
>While Jump has its own category
That is ABSOLUTELY nigger.

And its not even just for Jump. It's for all the different versions of Jump out there.

There's some creative number juggling going on. Which is probably why almost every total on the list is given as an estimate.

From , Blue Giant Supreme.

Its about musician, rising in the world of Jazz, whose competing with other musicians and seeks to be the best Jazz musician in Japan. You can say its shounenshit, but I can't think of a western comic series that was purely about musicians playing music, with no special capeshit abilities whatsoever.

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>this thread again

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>Batman uses a retail estimate from years ago that doesn't break down what all it actually covers
>Dragon Ball has a 7 billion bump from "Manga Magazines" that links back to Jump

WHEW LAD

Can Google just buy this shithole already?

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>manga isn’t an IP farm
>even though it only exists to be adapted into more popular animes

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Real patricians read comics and manga. I spit on you plebs

>Bullshit convoluted franchises pretending to be “stories” written by dozens of people over 80 years that make Kingdom Hearts look comprehensible
t. literal, actual, illiterate.

This. Stuff like twitter and Line are eating into the manga commuter market. Realistically, its pretty hard to make a living doing manga unless you get an anime out of it which forces creators to enter into the intellectual dead-end that is shonen in order to make bank.

it is shonenshit because it follows the format of shonenshit, being about music doesn't make it outstanding.

Actually the main character has gone to Germany to become the "World Number One" Saxophone player, but you're close

The "topic at hand" has already been laid to rest. The markets are different. Manga is not superior to comics. We can see that when comics outsell manga in North America. The characters certainly aren't superior to capes as Shueisha isn't having near the success marketing their characters as Marvel and DC.

most manga don't get adaptations
but when they do get adaptations, it's because the fans really like the series
not because they think its the only way to get people interested in the IP

Reminder that Japan has never made anything on par with A Deal With God.

Not even anything in the general range of Frozone and his crazy ass wife.

>It's because the fans really liked the series
Explain Black Clover.

This is a lot of mental gymnastics and insecurity. Don’t reply to me

The point remains. Its music shounenshit and not cape shounenshit. And they have no special cape powers.

Hell, if we have to talk about capes, the Japs have One Punch Man, Kamen Rider and Ultraman. Jap shounenshit is more varied than US shounenshit.

Because floppies are a terrible value.

$4 for a 22 page comic that is loaded with ads.

That's like 10 minutes of entertainment for $4.

Oh, weebs don't even argue quality because they know they'll lose. They instead argue money and popularity--and they lose there to.

I accept your surrender weeb.

Who is next?

Silver age capes alone had more variety than Japan capes. Japan capes are in a pretty big rut which is why recent offerings steal liberally from more popular western superheroes.

How do you feel about Walking Dead, God Country, and Saga?
Also, please point me to a j-cape with even half the tonal and thematic range of Daredevil. Or even with the range of fucking Doom Patrol.

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He can't because those j-capes don't exist. J-capes are as much a dead end as any other Japanese genre because the Japanese are not a creative people. Every genre that gets hot gets xeroxed into a walking zombie like isekai.

>Jap shounenshit is more varied than US shounenshit.
I cannot believe that you actually believe this. The only truly unique shonen coming out of Japan right now is Mob Psycho 100.

When is Putin Isekai getting an update?

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Fullmetal Alchemist

You can see this in just fighting games. Compare the roster of the latest Jump fighter to Injustice 2.

Injustice 2, by the way, made more money.

BECK is also a music manga and it's honestly one of the best written manga ever.

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>manga is more diverse
oh boy green naruto

Still capeshit. And maybe Western capeshit is more in-depth and varied than Japanese capeshit. But the point here is that SHOUNENshit in Japan is more varied than Western shounenshit.

Name me one popular Western comic series that is about musicians, without special abilities, competing in a realistic music scene.

>Fullmetal Alchemist
Confirmed for having no fucking idea what he’s talking about. I said tonal and thematic range, not stories you like.

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I WAS MADE TO HIT IN AMERICA

Oh boy, I wonder what's happening in the latest dragon ball? Is Goku going to fight the bad guy at a tournament and get another powerup?

I
CAN'T
WAIT

Josie and the Pussycats.

As someone who finally gave Capeshit comics a chance after so many years of swearing it off of my comic reading lists--I've come to the conclusion that everything that I thought about Capeshit was right. I want a good story with cohesion and progression, not some grudge match over which fanboy's headcanon is the MOST CoRRECT! And that's if you're lucky enough to get a fan of the work and not some hack that knows fuckall about the characters they're writing.
Trust me, it's the last time I'm making this mistake.

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You wrote "Capeshit comics" when you meant "manga".

Eat penis. American Splendor.

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FMA has that, just admit you never read it.

>Goku with white hair
BEST STORY EVER 10/10 HOW CAN THE GAIJIN EVEN COMPETE

>most recent publication is 2008

I appreciate that you mentioned at least one, though.

replacing "hokage" with "musician" doesn't make it diverse

>comicfags and mangafags arguing about which group has 90% rehashed stories compared to the others's 91% rehashed stories
yawn

>Josie and the Pussycats.

Not realistic enough, but the 2016 one would suffice.

Actually Goku is fucking ded because El Cabrón fucked him and Vegeta in the ass.

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Are fans of superhero comics really accusing shonen of being formulaic ? This is a lack of self-awareness never before seen.

But they're the exact same thing

I genuinely have, and I’m not going to pretend it isn’t a fantastic story. But it simply doesn’t make a transition from something like Born Again to Yellow. It doesn’t have range within itself, you simply do not understand what I am asking of you.

Shonen is not a genre.

Shonen can be about anything.

>tournament arc! I’m so hype! I can’t wait to discover the spunky protagonist’s new power!

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Born Again and Yellow are by two different creative teams made decades apart. It's hardly an apt comparison to make in the first place. I suppose you could spin inconsistent characterization as being tonal range if you felt like it.

t. only reads American comics

Tell that to the idiots arguing in the thread. To them, all shonen is action, and all action is Goku powering up for 20 pages.

I started laughing

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It fucking is with how the Japanese treat it. Or do you think there's no similarities between DBZ, Naruto, Boku, Bleach, etc?

>DBZ vs Dr. Fate

>Or do you think there's no similarities between DBZ, Naruto, Boku, Bleach, etc?
It goes both ways. If you've read one superhero comic you've basically read them all.

But you implied that j-capeshit was more varied than American capeshit. That is simply objectively untrue.
If that wasn’t you than I admit I’m arguing from a false pretense, but that was the point I was trying to prove.
Conversely, Invincible had a single writer and it was basically just a shonen manga, if anything most shonen tropes are inherent to a single person writing a single serialized story without reprieve.

Are we posting tearjerkers now?

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You're right. Sometimes its Ichigo powering up for 20 pages.

Exactly. The problem is that when comparing manga to western comics, weeaboos always reduce western comics to American superhero stuff.

So what I'm hearing is that comicshit and mangashit is the exact same boring drivel

>why do women like these American fairy tale romance movies anyway?
>They'd never happen in real life. They'd just break up or he'd end up cheating on her or she divorcing him and then becoming a sad aunt for the rest of her life.
>And what's wring with this girl? Just tell him already! If she'd just be honest about her feelings, the movie would be over in like ten minutes!

Sure. How about we turn this into a general ‘ picture book pages we like’ thread, I’m sick of arguing about subjective shit.

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>Walking Dead, God Country, and Saga
All great. I do wish Kirkman had not abandoned Invincible for Walking Dead. But Image Comics has a pretty diverse range of subjects and ideas in their lineup. They had that Ministry of Space comic, which was pretty rad.

>If that wasn’t you than I admit I’m arguing from a false pretense, but that was the point I was trying to prove.
That was someone else.

>bitchy gf can’t let her bf have fun without judging him
Just tell him you don’t like it or suck it up.

>you
What do you assume that everyone you're arguing with is the same person?

Aight man. My bad then.

>point me to a j-cape with even half the tonal and thematic range of-

Kamen Rider.

Because that’s the way real life conversations generally go and it’s the way most people parse content on meme imageboards.

It's not about media, it's about genres. The action genre is almost always formulaic tripe, whether it's the latest blockbuster movie or an FPS shooter or whatever. You've experienced one, you've basically experienced them all. Which is why it's a little odd that consumers of superhero comics in this thread are acting like battle shonen is some disposable trash. Hello, self-awareness? 99% of Marvel and DC's output isn't worth the paper it's printed on either. It just calls back to the old adage that 99% of everything is shit. The problem is some very insecure people in this thread are pretending their shit don't stink.

You can be a fan of superhero comics while also recognizing they're crap. I know I do.

>It fucking is with how the Japanese treat it.
No it isn't you fucking retard.

Why don't you read some manga instead of talking about shit you don't know?

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>The problem is some very insecure people in this thread are pretending their shit don't stink.
Yeah, the people making the claim that mangas are objectively better than western comics, as usual in this type of threads.

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Considering the time it’s run and the number of people who have worked on it, you’re probably about right. I don’t know enough about kamen rider to really say either way.
Post a weird, cutesy Kamen Rider page/show screencap and I’ll surrender.

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See Capeshit is about action. All the popular shounenshit stories mentioned are the action ones. Music was given as an example since its about technical abilities that do not involve literal fighting.

So lets try another one. Food. Japan has had Iron Chef stories in Shoukegi no Soma, as well as Oishinbo, which is a series that travels all around Japan exploring different kinds of food, and Drops of the Gods, which is about a son trying to find his father's fabled wine collection. Can someone name me one good food comic, that does not involve "action", is purely about cooking, has recipes that can be replicated, and is or was popular.

Both sides are reaching the same conclusion: action is crap. The weebs say superhero stuff is crap, and the capers are saying battle shonen is crap, and they're both right. Luckily there are a lot of comics and mangas that do not fall into this group and we can all enjoy those.

Based and neutralopinionpilled

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One of the best selling manga of all time is about high school basketball, a sport not even popular in Japan. Can you imagine a fucking western sports series? They don't exist.

SnS is trash

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Thank you for this gift.

>mfw Gal Cleaning
good times

Fuck I posted SD for ants

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Slice of life fags, with their Oh Joy Sex Joy and their generic moeblobs. What they need is some real good historical drama.

>issues where you could see Storm's nipples
this is your brain on america

God I wish there was a sports comic as good as Slam Dunk. I wish there were more sports comics period. Say what you will about manga, but there is literally a manga for everyone. Every demographic, every genre, every mood. It just seems like unless it's a superhero, or just an action comic in general, it won't sell in America, which is a terrible disservice to the medium.

What do weebs think about Jack Chick?

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Can't post the manga because It's not translated

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Because comics never fucking end and have very few genres. And yes they do have variety but I shouldn't have to go digging into the fucking trenches to find something that is satisfying or barely passable. It's insane how bad comics are.

Somebody post Batdick.

holy shit this guy doesn't realize western comics have a muddied shitstain rendering style, he thinks its good LMFAO

Well it's harem so its undoubtedly shit. The question should probably be more is it typical haremshit levels of shit or is it Gal Cleaning "author goes completely nuts and kills his series" levels of shit?

>west vs east threads only make the whole plant look like a cesspool
I’m moving to Sweden so that I might die in my youth.

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>It's insane how bad comics are.
This. And I'm saying this as a massive comics fan. It's astounding how many comics you have to read before you find one that you can say "wow, that was truly great." If music, books, and film are 90% crap, then comics are 99.9999% crap. I see so much absolute trash lauded on this board week to week and the only conclusion I can come to is that comic fans tend to only consume comics and thus have no artistic reference points.

>fucking implying

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World's End Harem is more porn than anything.

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Ex-Aid is a fucking trip

>main series is about doctors who have to be VR trooper style heroes to fight sentient computer viruses
>their first form looks ridiculous, but the "main" form is better
youtube.com/watch?v=QAf4ZBsYFYs
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>downplaying slam dunk as just another sport manga
wow fuck you very much

Much more tits and all the girls want to bone the MC. The MC, as the plot demands, doesn't want to fuck any girl. Pretty blue ball series, desu.

And how many ideas can be conferred by 140 characters in Kanji versus using the Roman alphabet in English? Even with the same canvas, there's so much more content. Which is an appropriate metaphor for manga vs comics.

>itt my glorious nippon steel is perfect

Other languages are actually rather limited in what they can express compared to English.

There's several MCs though

Satan finally takes a side with a flaming hot take revolving around Linguistic Relativity. Let’s see if we can end this thread on some spicy hot Social Darwinism.

i hate comics and manga
what now boi

Nah. Some people are playing nice.
Good taste in capes apparently begets good people.

>Goku got white hair and I clapped! I clapped!
>W-What? Don't talk about how much more money Batman makes as a character and franchise compared to Goku-sama!
>Goku sells more toilet paper phonebooks than Batman sells comics to Japanese commuters, that's all that matters!
>No, America doesn't count!

2 nukes were not enough.

You are truly the most based and redpilled of us all.

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Gen Urobuchi once wrote a Kamen Rider series. Urobuchi, who is famous for writing dark stuff like Madoka and Saya no Uta wrote a fairly dark Kamen Rider series, and the theme of the series was fruits
youtube.com/watch?v=7K6GkbwfaHk
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You forgot your wojak

W-What's going to happen on my next vacation Stephen?

You’re gonna get sucked up a vacuum cleaner.

Because in Japan you can send your manga to one of the big publishers and hope they publish it, then once you have an in you and keep going.

America though? Good luck getting a job at big publisher by just sending them some comic you made. Not to mention that even if you happen to get on, they'll force you to work on some random comic for a 60 year old character as opposed to letting you create your own idea.

Japanese publishers are much more likely to let their mangaka just make whatever, of course they have editors, but they'll still let you make YOUR series, your characters, your story. They don't make every other mangaka shit out Dragonball stories.

There is just so much manga in Japan it's insane, it outnumbers anime 100 to 1. So you got a manga about every sort of premise or genre you can think of, and plenty of it.

Also manga art on average is better than comic art, the fact comics have to mislead people by sometimes using artist JUST for a cover and then another, lower quality artist for the actual inside pages is something unheard of for a solo series in Japan.

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>Japanese publishers are much more likely to let their mangaka just make whatever
Kek, lel, and heh.

It's actually the other way around. A lot of time the anime is made to boost sales of the manga.

Cry more.

that depends on the publisher/editor. the editor might tell you to redo the entire manuscript for example.

>even though it only exists to be adapted into more popular animes
Boy it's cute when Yea Forumsumblr tries to talk about Japan.

>stadium announcer voice: BANANA
bless.

There's 0 chance of making a living doing manga unless you do something shonen or heavy into the otaku market.

>The industry that hasn't be recycling the same 30 characters for the last 75 years is selling better

wow

>Caring about empowerment

the faggot is you

Whoremonger needs to be made into a reaction image.

Y’all faggots need a thread theme.
youtu.be/5DmYLrxR0Y8

>Implying there's not giant pressure to make what's marketable compared to what the manga writer wants to make

Look at the top selling manga characters and tell me its not the same thing, except capes are better at franchising so they make more cash.

HATER OF GOD
WHOREMONGER

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We can't be friends because this thread is full of Yea Forums-tier strawman arguements

I just can't ever take Gaim seriously. Its got a great story, it has some really dark moments, and some really endearing moments, but, the overall theme of the story is still fucking FRUTS. And yes, the final form is a fucking fruit basket

You can get your shitty doujinshi published, but you won't make a living unless you make something with anime potential. Most low-key mangaka have to work other jobs to supplement the teeny tiny trickle of royalties they get from their back up in Newtype or whatever.

not to mention the IP itself is older than almost all of us on this board

I know. Weebs are just as bad arguing comics vs manga as they are Superman vs Goku.

Shokugeki uses food as an excuse for battle shonen and fan service. Switch food for martial arts or magic and it would be the same shit as Boku no Hero or Black Clover.

Currently, the MCU was Thanos powering up for 20 movies.

This. Weebs all have ADD so they confuse a different gimmick for a different genre.

Weebs are really, really stupid.

What you meant to say is that you niggers are all equal garbage

I never said they had 100% freedom, retards. It's hilarious you can't handle the truth so you'll purposely misconstrue what I say.
Wrong.
Also I seriously hope that post isn't implying shounen is a genre.
It's not the same because I never have to look at a single shounen jump series and I still have literally thousands of other things to pick from, can you say the same for comics with DC/marvel?
Also not a single major selling manga in the US existed pre-80s.
Dragonball is the oldest and that's like 85.
Meanwhile the Justice League and Avengers....
What's your fucking point? The manga still exists, I can still go out and buy or read it. You're adding some bullshit of "t-they might not be able to make a living (based off my fuck all assumption) s-so it doesn't count"

Get fucked, retard.

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>ten pages a week of black and white drawings abusing tones and padding out the ass so that they can drag out the story for years
Manga is the greatest scam in printed media. It takes months for something to happen and then it barely impacts the story at all. I've been to so many Yea Forums threads for manga I don't follow and it's always the same. People complaining about nothing happening and getting blue-balled for another week.

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I can theoretically make any recipe depicted in Shokugeki. That's the difference

This post is great because I cannot tell which side you’re decrying. Both I hope.

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>comics never end
>meanwhile most of Shonen Jump’s properties like Dragon Ball, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Naruto, One Piece, Jojo, Fist of the North Star and more keep on going or get rebooted
Fucking faggot.

Yeah, both
This thread is literally consolewars but for Yea Forums

>Dragonball
Fair
>Yu-Gi-Oh
Doesn't have the same characters or plot, they just keep the card game itself, you can't compare that to Superman #8402
>Naruto
Ended.
>One Piece
Fair
>Jojo
Similar to Yu-gi-oh.
>Fist of the North Star
what? That shit's been over for fucking ever.

Not to mention none of what you named are even half as old as Superman/Batman/Spider-man/etc

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Wasn’t it ultraman that had a whole arc about how the writer had converted into Christianity? I vaguely remember seeing crucified ultraman on a piracy website once.

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nigga
superman was the first superhero EVER and they still using him
I don't know who the first manga character ever was but they aint still using him, thats for sure

youtube.com/watch?v=TTgWBBxOYaY

But a dream of a mangaka is having an anime adaptation. There is where financial stability is for them.

>the floating face
Kills me every time.

That doesn't mean the manga solely exists for that purpose, you absolute fucking moron.

You can theoretically learn martial arts, dress up like a giant rodent and go beat people up. Being able to do shit you see in a fucking comic book is a retarded reason to imply the ones you like are superior, you fucking retard.

>But a dream of a mangaka is having an anime adaptation
except for the ones that refuse to do them lol

youtube.com/watch?v=8zntbo1nxgw

>Brag about how in glorious nihon you can make a living publishing your insane mud wrestling cake walking magical girl chef manga
>Get BTFO and told it'll be less profitable than an Image mini and you can't make a living off it
>Backtrack like your ass is on fire
BACK
IT
UP
BUTTERCUP

Most anime adaptations are just promotional material for manga. You generally only get them AFTER your manga shows promise

The mangakas still are always in the verge of beign axed. And to keep their series afloat they will use every trick in the book in detriment of their story. See for example all the shit that WSM keeps publishing.

>Brag about how in glorious nihon you can make a living publishing your insane mud wrestling cake walking magical girl chef manga
Wrong already, I never did such a thing. Please feel free to show me where I did though :^)

Which is why it sells.

Boring ass soaps used to outsell actually good shows like Gunsmoke and Star Trek. This is nothing new.

>you can theoretically learn martial ar-
You can't theoretically throw energy balls
You can't learn a special ninjitsu that lets you turn invisible
You can't learn a special ninjitsu that lets you create temporary clones of yourself

And you're still not getting the point. No one here has mentioned a single Western comic, focused primarily on food, in a non-fantasy setting, that is drawn decently well, is popular, and has recipes that can be replicated in real life. I mentioned three from Japan, while I can't think of a single one from the US. I imagine there might be one from France or Europe

>Naruto
>Ended
Nigger they're literally doing Naruto the next generation. Sit your fucking ass down.

>Yu-Gi-Oh and Jojo getting a pass
Fucking why? They regurgitate the same goddamn plots constantly to the point they'd make modern cape writers blush.

The anime is where the money comes from idiot. Compare the number of views on DBS to the number of copies read.

If you're serious about making a living doing manga, you aim for the anime.

>Nigger they're literally doing Naruto the next generation. Sit your fucking ass down.
It's a sequel, it literally has a different name.
>Fucking why?
I explained why in my post.
Yugioh seasons have completely different casts, settings and plots.
Several jojo parts, including the most recent ones, have completely different settings, characters, etc
Jojo part 9 looks fucking nothing like part 1, both on a visual and written level.
To pretend like that's the exact same thing as the newest Superman issue compared to an issue from the 80s, is retarded.

youtube.com/watch?v=zA_T8w8tg7w

It depends on the IP, you idiot.
In fact, tons of series most profitable avenue are the figurines, not the anime or the manga, but you would know that wouldn't you mister anime expert?
Fuck off.

Wich are a minority. And probably had found a economich stability. I can only think in Yotsuba&! and Hoshi no Samidare.

Neither the comics, weeb.

Minority or not, they still count.

i've learned that comics are bad and manga is bad and i should feel bad for liking them

thanks Yea Forums, you're my best friend

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Yea Forums stop parroting shit about anime you autis

>Doesn't have the same characters or plot
And? Neither do most comics, not to mention that they bring back classic characters like Yugi or Kaiba back for movies and such. They still use the older characters in games, toys and marketing. There’s literally no difference between that and how American comics treat characters here with movies, cartoons and more.
>Naruto
>Ended.
What is Boruto?
>Jojo
>Similar to Yu-gi-oh.
Jojo parts 7-8 characters are LITERALLY alternate versions of older characters, some mixed up or slightly different. That’s straight up the same shit as American comics.
>Fist of the North Star
what? That shit's been over for fucking ever.
And they still keep making games, movies and anime about it. It’s prequel manga got a shitty CG anime recently. It’s so popular that it wouldn’t surprise me if they decided to make an anime reboot or readaptation sometime in the future.
>Not to mention none of what you named are even half as old as Superman/Batman/Spider-man/etc
Who cares how old they are? The point is that the shit you all complain about American comics, that being that they use old ass characters and they don’t seem to ever end, is also done in manga and Japanese media.

There's more difference between modern Superman and 80's Superman than there is between Naruto and Burrito you stupid, stupid weeb.

Entirely factual. That’s what this board is for.

Nuh, because they are not a representation of the trend and interest of the majority. That is exactly the point of calling them a minority.

>the weebs and basement dwellers kidnapped him mid post
Rip.

Mangaka don't get paid for the anime you fucking moron.

>Jojo parts 7-8 characters are LITERALLY alternate versions of older characters, some mixed up or slightly different. That’s straight up the same shit as American comics.
And there ain’t nothing wrong with that.

How is the fact that Japan has comics about food translates into them being superior to American ones (because you've already proven that you don't read anything outside American mainstream and manga)?

They get paid by the increase in manga sells the anime makes and royalties on the action figures RETARD.

>Jojo Regurgitates the same goddamn plots constantly
Jojo has changed so dramatically in terms of both writing and art over the years it's not even funny. Can you honestly say that the first part of the series is anything like the chapters being put out today?

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Because Diversity and Comics of course you homosex.

user has ADD and uses cooking to cope with that fact. Ever night he creates dishes from his favorite obscure cooking manga and eats them because he has no one to share it with.

Probably because they're dull, either thematically or visually.
Oh wow it's another Superman comic, I wonder what he looks like in this one. I wonder if he can fly.

You guys suck

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Yes.

Let me repeat my point, in case you're not getting it:
>Japan has comics about food-
and American doesn't.

Name one, per the guidelines mentioned here If American comics can have American Splendour and Josie & the Pussycats, surely they must have had at least one series about gourmet food that involved cooking food, food competitions, and recipes that could actually be replicated in real life

Buddy, Shokugeki isn’t popular just because it’s a manga about cooking. I’ve seen more fan art of the girls in skimpy clothing and talks of waifu shit more so than anyone discussing recipes. Also, the reason why there aren’t any comics just about cooking is because that shit would be boring. What, you think Shokugeki would be as good without the battle shonen antics and fan service? If it was JUST about the food, no one would fucking read it. Also, read Wonton Soup and Chew, you fucking weeb.

Chew is just capeshit with eating abilities. You can't replicate the recipes in Chew because there is none.

That’s my point. The guy is saying that it somehow doesn’t count because it does something American comics do... it makes no sense. I love Jojo, but despite how much I like it, it’s not 100% original.

the cries of capeshit and weebshit feels like someone just scrubbed sonyfag/nintendofag and dumped them on this board

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do comics have an akira?

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JoJo is terribly written even by shonenshit standards. Dunno why JoJobronies keep parroting that it's some sort of masterpiece just because it's wacky

Yes, is called Watchmen.

Food is an integral part of the story, though. Also, who the fuck cares if you can replicate the recipies? No one reading Shokugeki, except maybe you, gives a flying fuck about the food. Most people read it for the exaggerated cooking battles and the hot girls. You’re literally the first jackass to bring up replicating the recipes as some sort of factor when most people don’t give a fuck.

Delicious in Dungeon isn't boring.

Because Shotaro can walk down to the local 7/11 and buy a chapter of jump each week to see all of the characters he knows continuing their stories without any shitty reboots while always being written by the same author with the only exception being fucking boruto.

Meanwhile Steven has to go and find a specialty comic store to find the latest dc/marvel reboot issues and has to catch up every couple of years to find out what changed all while having each book written by a different writer every few years.

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>Neither do most comics
All the major ones do.
Unless you're telling me modern day Superman comics don't have Superman, Lois and Lex Luthor.
Because I can tell you that modern day Yugioh does not have Yugi, or Kaiba or Joey, or even Jaden.
>What is Boruto?
A sequel to a series that is 1/10 as old as Superman.
>Jojo parts 7-8 characters are LITERALLY alternate versions of older characters, some mixed up or slightly different. That’s straight up the same shit as American comics.
Still completely different though, Joseph from Part 7 and Joeseph from Part 1 have nothing in common beyond their name. Way to make it clear you haven't actually fucking read it.
>The point is that the shit you all complain about American comics, that being that they use old ass characters and they don’t seem to ever end, is also done in manga and Japanese media.
Because all the major players in American comics are almost a hundred years old.
All the major players in manga are not. They're barely 30.
Look at this fucking top sellers list for manga and comics, look at the fucking difference in origin years.

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Wrong.

Akira is the Akira of comics

That’s also a manga with fantasy elements like elves, dwarves, knights and magic. There’s even action and adventures in it. The cooking aspect ain’t the ONLY reason why it’s popular. Next you’re going to mention moe slice of life waifu stuff with cooking as an example while also missing the fact that, once again, the cooking isn’t the MAIN reason people read or watch those.

Dungeon Meshi is the typical shounen with a good coat of painting. The series is great but don't talk that is all about food. I see more people waifuing the elf that talking about food in the threads.

Fact

Thanks for reminding me that there is now a fantasy manga centered around cooking. I can count the number of fantasy comics that aren't involving the big two, and out of them, I can't imagine a single one with cooking as a central theme

Addicted to curry
Nobunaga no chef
Hells kitchen
Yakitake Japan
Bambino
Bartender

Based Retard

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GoTG isn't even from 2008. Try something like mid 60's; and the roster and characters are totally diferents. Also Heroes in Crisis doesn't had anything in common with CoIE, so the year is totally wrong.

Bambino is fucking great

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No one not a middle aged woman cares about a fucking drama about cooking you autist.

>GoTG isn't even from 2008. Try something like mid 60's; and the roster and characters are totally diferents.
That's why I was nice and used the 2008 version.
>Also Heroes in Crisis doesn't had anything in common with CoIE, so the year is totally wrong.
It uses up all old heroes, I can claim it going back as far as Superman himself, but I was nice and used CoIE since they're both apart of the Crisis naming scheme.

>replicating recipes is boring
>people only watch it for exaggerated action

A show like Iron Chef remains airing in the US purely because its food themed battle. Celebrity chefs like Ramsay and Jamie Oliver exist in real life because they demonstrate some kind of cooking ability that normal people cannot achieve unless they work hard, and know some special cooking techniques.

Food CAN be interesting, and its not just about the waifus. Oishinbo doesn't have waifus and yet remains to be one of the longest running manga in Japan, purely because it talks about good. I have yet to see a Western comic that makes food interesting in such a way.

Miracleman.

That stories had tangentials elements and the food element is a foil to give them some sort of uniqueness. I mean the second one is a sort of mix of isekai and low key sci-fi.

Yakitate is probably the worst example of a cooking manga for any suggestion

It was fine in the beginning, but man, did it ever get sidetracked

Do you honestly not think Iron Chef isn't niche?

Japs are really good at just making a manga about whatever autistic niche they're into, which leads to manga about a variety of things, meanwhile Timmy in America, who maybe could have made a comic about the world of bug collecting has to instead write the newest issue of Batman.

Trips of truth

How the fuck is Dungeon Meshi "typical shounen"?
It's not even published in a shounen magazine

>I used random elements to try to probe a point and ignore the facts the characters are not even the same.

If food itself wasn't interested, food porn wouldn't be a thing
there wouldn't be an entire subgenre of videos dedicated to making food look as tasty as possible
And before you gripe about it just being the food that looks good, explain Tasty and why so many videos along those lines are so popular

it's the preparation for the food

Batman who Laughs is as different from Batman as Boruto is from Naruto. Even more so.

This is why manga is GOAT. There is a manga for everything

>Series is absolutely amazing and going well
>Decide to fuck it all up with Secondo
>Not a single scanlation group wants to touch it

I had to fucking read the ending in a Coco curry in tokyo.

That's because shonenshit are easily replaceable pablum while Superman and Batman will still have a presence 100 years from now.

>It's GOAT because its battle tournament number 456 but this time they're Mariachis in a musical competition.

Substance over Flash you stupid, stupid, STUPID weeaboo.

The shounenshit is still outselling your icons 10 to 1 though.
People will remember Superman and Batman for what they were, not what they are, just like we do now.

It's a fantasy adventure story about to save the little sister of the MC. I give you the fact is published in a Seinen Magazine, but there is nothing unique in the story. And is not necesary because the writting and world-building do the heavy lifting.

If Iron Chef was niche, it would have stayed in Japan. That's like saying "The Food Network" is niche.

Its sounds niche, but with food so integral to our lives, we have taken the time to make it interesting. I mean, fuck, Disney made an animated movie about it. And don't tell me "they only watched it for the rat" or "the french waifu" or "because its Disney Pixar". Because if they didn't care for the food, there would not be videos like this:

youtube.com/watch?v=roCX0AfBseQ

If Disney/Pixar can do it, a Western comic can. But I fail to see a US comic that has treated food in such a manner.

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based retard

>Not a single scanlation wants to touch it
Oh but I thought cooking shit was popular and totally not niche entertainment for autists?

>Substance over Flash you stupid, stupid, STUPID Nintendie.
fixed

Not all shounen is battle shounen. Pic related is about a junior high age girl aiming to become a professional ballerina (not even be the best, just become a pro; she's doing competitions with the intent of earning a scholarship to learn ballet overseas). It's pretty heavily grounded in reality with no over the top bullshit, magic powers or the the MC pulling fluke wins out of nowhere during competitions.

It's a shounen series.

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>T-They sell more in the commuter culture that America doesn't have
Yeah. Let's ignore how they get BTFO in North America and in franchising out to vidya, movies, and merch fucking Carol Danvers bends Goku over the table and makes him cry uncle.

what a petty victory.

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Thats my point

Seething.

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>Cooking is autistic
>Religously reading capeshit after 20 reboots isn't

Okay retard

why can't mangashit break into live action, because it's cartoon tier.

>and merch fucking Carol Danvers bends Goku over the table and makes him cry uncle
le wut

>Says this when Goku vs Brolly cant' make Ant Man vs Wasp numbers
No I'm pretty sure they'll be making Batman movies decades from now while--if they're fortunate--DBZ and Naruto will be dead and buried and not the current washed up franchise zombies that they are.

But if they do become Berserk tier zombies, I will laugh.

They do. Its called Kamen Rider.

Alita

Tell me how much Broly and Alita made at the box office.

Come on, say it.

>there is nothing unique in the story
How about the premise of exploring a fantasy dungeon's ecosystem by cooking and eating the fauna?
Shounen refers to nothing more than the demographic target of a magazine. There's way too much variety under the shounen label for it to make any sense as a genre

>Discussing comics and manga
>400+ replies in start trying to go "b-but muh movies"

Hilarious.

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And why do American comics need to have a comic about food, and specifically one with recipes? What would that prove?

Alita was a bomb.

The best was Beelzebub. Action arc > Comedy arc > Action arc > Comedy arc etc. etc.
Looking back on it I think after Dragon Ball it's my favorite battle shonen ever.

I wouldn't know because I don't salesfag, once again this is literally a Yea Forums thread
Speaking of which I'm not sure why Yea Forums still has an Alita general either

There's a lot of stuff that's also popular in Japan that never gets translated, even scanlated. The Kosaku Shima stuff for instance which has been running for close to 40 years and is a corporate salaryman drama grounded in reality.

She must be unmarried if she's this autistic about TDK.

Yes, there is nothing unique in the settings of Dungeon Meshi. Exploring the dungeon and eating the monster is world building. The story is a typical fantasy tale of save the princess from the dragon. The food wasn't even that important to the plot.

It's the popularity of the brand and characters. You were told several times in this thread alone that the manga outsells the comics because of different markets catering to different cultures.

And then you say "But manga icons outsell comic icons 10 to 1!"

That's not true at all.

licenseglobal.com/top-125-global-licensors

Disney is 1, Warner is 4, Marvel Entertainment is 8.

You want to know where the manga icons rank?

Viz media. At number 87.

Batman and friends make wayyyyy more money than your icons. They are more culturally known than your icons. They will be around longer than your icons.

They sempai, you kohei.

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A mixture of insufferable Cameronfags and Alita becoming some sort of anti-CM/SJW symbol for incels who want a robot waifu 'cause they can't even talk to real women.

Rataoulle sold because of its story not because of its food you giant autist.

It's honestly creepy talking to you. Are you a sped? Do you try to bring up food in everyday conversation with normal people?

It would prove the point that American comics can be as diverse as manga. This thread has repeated the stereotype among wee/a/boos that American comics are limited in their scope and focus. I have seen webcomics be diverse, but webcomics are an entirely different field.

If anything, it only proves what has always said. The nature of the published comics industry in the west, especially the US, has been limited, and is a detriment to creative potential.

In Japan beign an adult having "juvenile hobbies" like watch capeshit, read mangas, watch cartoons/animes is a big NONONO in every posible social standard and is fair to bitch and criticize it.

So this thread ended up proving nothing, did I get that right?

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I like both though I've grown to like manga more and content myself with reading things like old Bronze Age Legion of Super-Heroes. Modern comics are pretty shit.

>one piece is never going to fucking end
how can any new reader even jump in? it's the same shit as picking up a batman comic in the middle of a giant event.

>Fucking Harley Davidson motorcycles do better than Viz
OH NO NO NO

>Nobunaga no chef
You mean the manga about A MODERN DAY CHEF BEING TRANSPORTED TO FEUDAL JAPAN? That’s a time travel story with cooking thrown in.
>Hells kitchen
Never heard of it. Googled it. It’s literally about demons and supernatural shit with cooking thrown in.
>Yakitate Japan
That’s a comedy manga that just happened to be about a bakery or making bread and the MC LITERALLY has some supernatural ability to make breads better somehow.
Bambino, Bartender and Addicted to Curry are the only ones MAINLY relying on the food and even then they’re more like dramas and slice of life that HAPPEN to have food as a focus. Like, if what you want is something thats ONLY about cooking, just watch the cooking channel.

I don't believe you, as most people in Japan own a copy of One Piece in some form.

Its a story about food. Food is an important part of it, you cannot neglect it. And again, people have replicated the food from it.

Normal people alwats talk about food. They talk about it all the time, comparing their favourite places to eat, and when they go for lunch, they talk about recommendations. Are you telling me you don't eat food?

See

It is objectively true that capes are more popular and more lucrative than manga.

So, a comic about food is the only proof that it can be diverse? How about manga being way more lmited in their scope because they don't have Chick Tracts?

It proves that Yea Forums & Yea Forums are more closer than they think. Both are insufferable autist when trying to prove their shitty hobby is the "best around".

fatass

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>capeshit
>shonenshit
>weebs
>food
>salesfags
>cherrypicking
well we're almost at bump limit now, may as well ride this garbage out

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Wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't have friends, and the only food he eats is instant noodles and pizzas he orders from the phone.

>So user what did you like about that comic?
>It had pretty good action. I liked all the adventure in it.

>What did you like about your manga weeaboo jones?
>It had food in it

This is why you don't, and will never, have a girlfriend.

Not an argument.

They own it, maybe. They show it to others? Ohohohohohohoho, never ever.

Thankfully webcomics and other newer models of publication exist but they also lack any sort of editor or other structure that's needed so the results are often bad.

>popular/lucrative = good
So why does Yea Forums dislike Disney?

Jokes on you, I'm married

The better question is how people can stay into it. I gave One Piece a shot and liked it for a bit, then after 4 arcs I got tired if them all being literally the same shit over and over again.

>But user, Manga is superior because there was a three issue story in Young Animal about rollerskating cyborg hookers!

Because contrarian fucks from /pol/Yea Forums who think that Disney is a monopoly conglomerate bent on taking over the world when AT&T/Time/Warner is far larger than Disney

Sure, with a dakimakura.

Yea Forums loves Disney. Everyone loves Disney.

Seething

Cartoony stuff should never be live action. This includes cape comics.

literally Yea Forums
why do people try to pretend they aren't just doing consolewars but with different subjects

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The fighting foodon you put lipstick on doesn't count weirdo.

>Weeaboo Jones trying to cope with the fact that manga is more niche than Harley Davidson
Bow down punk. You lost.

Sorry to confuse your hambeast wife with a pillow.

But they have those.

crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-895965/pyuuri-tan-a-christian-schoolgirl-manga-strip

>Yea Forums being insecure about manga again
just read whatever is good or entertaining

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It's not that we dislike Disney, it's that we don't want it taking over the goddamned world. Because if it does, it'll get lazy and the quality of it's output will suffer.

>comics are now cashing in big on their brand recognition
will it ever be manga's turn?

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Nothing wrong with enjoying food, friend. Even if I die young, at least I know I am doing what I loved.

hell no, both you comicfags (yes, it's the same shit) are the exact same, you guys just pretend you're different
and now we have unironic salesfagging, so therefore I can take it to Yea Forums and say that Pokemon must clearly be the best video game franchise cause it sold the most

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Touch a nerve, fatty?

...

Hopefully not.

Hardly, I'm used to it

Do it
There's someone on Yea Forums that will probably agree with that

Why only watch it when you can do a story about it? Why not draw it? If Japan can, why can't we?

>Yea Forumsutist escapes his containment board to talk shit
>Gets BTFO
>"Gee Yea Forums why you so insecure"
Cry some more.

But the containment board is happening literally tomorrow

They can't. They aren't popular enough. Their stories aren't creative enough.

Look at They're behind PGA.

GOLF is kicking Goku's ass. GOLF.

How the fuck do you get to be less interesting than golf?

>Lonely fat weeaboo pretends the dishes he cooks every night for two people are his wife.

What did Gokek do wrong?

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>containment board
>Yea Forums
first I just got here, second, you are an imbecile newfag if you think Yea Forums is a containment board.

How is that anything like a Chick Tract?

>Lonely comic autist pretends normies don't talk about food while he only eats instant noodles and hot pockets

>Be a western cape writer
>Either write fanfiction for the characters of dead men, or write a new character who doesn't sell and gets killed off in an unrelated crossover event

H-Hooray...

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Double dubs of truth and power

>literally no one could answer my question
le sigh

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Must be someone of the leftovers of the last batch of outrages fags who come here last year. Truly a saddening existence.

>last year

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you know the answer comics as a medium is on a decline for stupid practices as always, their IP's are what is valuable now.

>Be eastern manga writer
>Either write copies of shonen archtypes or copies of waifubait archetypes with no variation whatsoever

N-Nihon strong...

Its Christian related - never thought Japan would have a Christian focused manga, since Christianity is really small there.

If you mean something thats religious extremist, there's always the Aum anime: youtube.com/watch?v=IVnscHsPfR4

They don't talk about food when it comes to stories you fucking sped.

all I learned from this piece of fucking shit thread is that trades sell more that single issues because no shit sherlock and Marvel is more cash than the entire manga industry.

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And this is why video games are better

>Be eastern manga writer
>Draw food porn comics all day and make bank from recommending good eating places and foods to fatties

Based

WEEABOOS PLEASE RESPOND

There's not an American comic running now that's close to having art as nice as Somali desu

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But they do. You just have not been around normal people.

the fuck are you talking about? do you live in here?

all I've learned from this thread is that Yea Forums and Yea Forums belong together in the trashbin

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Nigger what the fuck is with you and food?

What's the response?
You comicfags and mangafags obsess enough about characters to where you guys consider them icons and parts of your identities.
You guys probably self-insert unironically too.

a) They're filled with disgusting SJW ideology. Their gays are preachy and political, whereas gays in manga are usually likeable, or just comic relief. Comic women are feminists of the most annoying kind. Any kind of female sexiness is downplayed. They push ideology like white privilege and so forth. Girls in manga can be powerful but also retain some cuteness and femininity.
b) They're overpriced.
c) The subject matter in non-indie comics is much less varied than in manga. In manga you can find tons of horror, romance, hard sci-fi, fantasy, sports stories, high school drama and just about anything else.
d) They glamorize ugliness, whereas manga glamorizes beauty.e) The stories go on forever and nothing ever changes. There is only the illusion of change. Characters meaninglessly dying only to come back months later is commonplace. There is a beginning but after that there is only middle, and no end in sight. In manga the writer plans an end and eventually concludes the story, meaning there can be character growth, meaningful plot progression, and finally resolution.
e) They tend to allow more violence, more sexual suggestiveness, more political incorrectness, and even things like religious references. None of this is inherently good, but they should be part of the toolkit writers have access to in order to appeal to adults and teens.
f) No one knows where to start in comics, they are constantly rebooting series, every series has had many #1 issues.
g) Although no one ever permanently dies and no character's story ever ends in a dignified way, they still shove legacy versions of the characters in that no one is interested in. Few of these characters have anything interesting about them, they are just X as a black/woman/etc.

>Comic book movies are literally more popular than breathing
>marketed and owned by the biggest media conglomerate in history
>Actual comics still sell like shit

I dunno, maybe Americans just don't like reading.

Messed up the letters there but you get the idea.

Why is manga less popular than golf?

It might be because you have an obsession with Gokek

>anime
Doesn't apply to this discussion, specially to that food retard. Either give me something exactly like a Chick Tract or manga is not only inferior to American comics but condemned to an eternity in hell as well.

literally who

What's wrong with golf?

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Its an interest man. I like to cook. I visit /ck/ and some of my favourite channels all involve food.

youtube.com/watch?v=GsyjNef2ydQ

Its like how some people like guns (/k/) or some people like toys /toy/. Some people just like food enough that its a hobby.

You know capeshitters have lost when they can only resort to ad hom.

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>/ck/
You just reminded me that /cock/ was once a thing

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So, in return, you have to give a western food comic that is exactly like Sookugeki no Soma or Oishinbo or American comics is not only inferior to manga but condemned to an eternity in hell as well.

>Viz media

Who are they? Some burger company?

Since when are burgers relevant for the manga industry?

God I miss 2017

This entire thread was filled with ad hominem and non arguments

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Do you have some sort of mental disorder or are you just stupid?

Facts and evidence are ad hom?

Since a lot since Viz covers Suiesha's distribution to the wider market outside Japan, particularly those lucrative toys and video games.

Suiesha and Jump don't even rate on the list.

Think about that for a moment.

I honestly think you can only hate or not like Jas if you're a complete monster.

how much do fictional characters mean to you

The facts don't favor comic books

Likewise.

WHAT FACTS ARE THESE
YOU FAGS ARE INHERENTLY BIASED TOWARDS YOUR FAVORITES

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soranews24.com/2015/04/08/meet-pyuri-tan-the-new-manga-heroine-whos-the-literal-embodiment-of-puritan-christianity/

From the looks of it, the manga is about a puritan Christian schoolgirl, and is designed primarily for Christian evangelism. While Jack Chick tracts are hilarious and extreme, Chick has always written them as an evangelist, since he intends his tracts to "convert" his readers. In that light, Pyuritan is similar to Jack Chick in that they are both extreme Christians calling for the reader to earnestly convert to their faith

user, fucking PGA makes more licensing dosh than Viz. Meanwhile Marvel Entertainment is number 8 on the list and Disney 1.

man y'all niggas need to go outside lol

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There's also other good food channels on youtube

youtube.com/watch?v=9m0B9qkeq4g - English Heritage has an entire series about Victorian food. Also, they did a crossover with Jas.
youtube.com/watch?v=-RjawJ8LImM - now you too can cook like a slav!
And of course, the perennial favourite, Cooking with a Dog - youtube.com/watch?v=N6JZx86OyXM RIP, pupper

Sauce?

>550 posts soon
>fresh Toonami general tomorrow
wakuwakuwakuwakuwakuwakuwakuwakuwaku

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I mean yeah, but just because every white dude on the planet owns a bat symbol hoodie, doesn't intimate that western comics are a popular medium in it of itself; as much the symbols and iconography (alongside the movies) outpace the actual source material.

So you get this weird scenario where you can ask any little kid who spider-man is and they could tell you, but you would be hard pressed to find one who knows what going on in the latest Spider-man comic

So if Disney bought Viz Media, does this mean manga is good now?

And? You ask them if they like Batman or Goku more they're going to say Batman.

>Anime brought to kneel before the Mouse Emperor of Pop Culture
>Only Superman and Batman stand defiant

But we're discussing why actual comic sales are in the toilet while Batman is so huge, not if little kids like Batman.

nigga I just watched BECK 3 hours ago, a live-action adaptation of a fucking manga, just one of hundreds of manga adaptations

>In the toilet
For a niche collector's market its doing fine. You might as well ask why science fiction short stories don't sell as much as coloring books.

How many times must it be explained to you?

>Only Superman and Batman stand defiant
No one can escape the Mouse forever

Literally who?

>Since a lot since Viz covers Suiesha's distribution to the wider market outside Japan, particularly those lucrative toys and video games.
You mean the USA. They're irrelevant anywhere else and again the USA is not a relevant market for manga.

France alone buys more merch than all of the Americas

How many people here believe they could actually convince a normal people to believe your stance?

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Comics getting more niche is a result of the industry having unappealing practices, not the intended result. Why is it that Jump, with it's less known IPs can sustain a healthier (comparative) marketplace than either comic branches of DC or Marvel?

I don't think anyone has written for Superman and thought: "I think this character will appeal to a small, but loyal fanbase."

They distribute to much more than North America though they are an American company. Through Simon and Shuester Viz distributes to Europe and through Diamond Book Distributors to the rest of the world.

Saying they "Just handle America" is retarded.

>Unappealing practices
Found the casualgator

>Why is is that Jump can sustain a healthier marketplace?
Because commuter culture, and even then they're starting to lose a lot of readership due to competition from smartphones leading to anime adaptations being a huge thing now.

Me.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viz_Media_Europe
Literally has a headquarters in France you stupid nigger.

Weebs BTFO again!

Does manga really upset you that much?

>Get punked again
>"Hey guys it's only manga"
Next time stay to your containment board you disgusting fat body.

Go eat your precious food fatty.

I'm just saying they need to be exactly like a Chick Tract just like that other retard claims he needs American comics about food that are exactly like the mangas he likes.
and I'm not actually asking you to find an example, I'm just mocking his stupidity

>Found the casualgator

Nah, I pin it more on stuff like Diamond's bullshit distribution method than black people.

>Because commuter culture

That's a factor, but American comics outside of the Marvel/DC sphere have success in the American marketplace regardless of Americans taking trains less, like independents and the like. Jump is also just better about ease of access, like how they give you entire libraries of manga for 2 dollars a month.

As I keep asking, this really doesn't feel any different from Yea Forums consolewar jewery
Could you convince me that either format isn't complete garbage, or do you only work when you have a direct opposition?

>Indy
>Having success compared to the Big 2
Outside of Walking Dead and (for a while) Saga, what?

So this... is the power... of Yea Forumsmblr arguments...
...total shit

Cope weeb, cope.

Cope for what?
That comics are trash and weebshit can join them?

>When the weeb is so BTFO that he takes the black pill
And I hope you choke on it.

>blackpill
Vidya blows Yea Forumsshit and Yea Forumsshit out of the water

>the thread was primarily one autist screeching into the void

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One autist with an unhealthy obsession with food.

oh no no no

And nerds wonder why normal people laugh at their """""hobbies"""""
It's like watching a slap fight between between MtG and YGO spergs

There's nothing wrong with food. Having an unhealthy obsession about superheroes, on the other hand, is abnormal.

i accept your concession.

But the Japanese do have an evangelical Christian comic, while there is no mainstream American food and cooking comic. It only proves the point that American comics are not diverse enough

I accept your concession

Seething and obsessed

All this dumb thread did is make me hungry

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youtube.com/watch?v=95M8W1JgH_0

Binging with Babish is a great channel with a lot of recipes from Yea Forums and Yea Forums

___cope___

we did it reddit

Haha, I really can't believe this retard.
Do you know about Asterios Polyp, Here, Love & Rockets, Stray Bullets, Black Hole, Maus or Cerebus?
And since comics are a visual medium as well, why focusing only on thematic diversity? How about aesthethics? In American comics you can find people like Bill Sienkiewicz, Darwyn Cooke, David Mazzucchelli, Richard Corben, Alex Toth, Jack Kirby, Mike Mignola, etc.
The fact that you can't see past superhero comics doesn't mean they don't exist. Your stance says less about American comics than about your failure as a reader.

I hate normalfags.

Keep telling yourself that fatty.

You have a point, but the argument was focused on thematic diversity. Of course, in America, aesthetics will be a lot more diverse, since its people from different cultural backgrounds, and thus, will have different aesthetic styles. But the aesthetics would be limited if they don't explore all possible themes. All the comics you mentioned, while aesthetically and narratively superior to manga coutnerparts, still have manga counterparts to speak of.

fat
more like thicc lmao goteem

Same to ya, anti-social

Election time is only going to make it exponentially worse

>have manga counterparts to speak of
Examples?

>Saying this after Trump just beat Mueller's probe
2020 is in the bag. There's not going to be much heat this time around.

Barakamon, Sanctuary, The Enigma of Amigara Fault, Message to Adolf, Oyasumi Punpun and A drifting Life

Here strikes me more as an artistic statement, so I'd have to counter it with an actual art piece. I'll concede for Cerebus - it feels unique enough to American culture that they could only be made in America.

>Here strikes me more as an artistic statement, so I'd have to counter it with an actual art piece.
So, you're full of shit.

>posting a cover
Wow you really showed me.

Congrats, you niggers proved why eastern/western comics will never be taken seriously

From Relish: My Life In The Kitchen by Lucy Knisley. Now fuck off.

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600th post for the glory to our noble god Goku

Thank you.

Man this looks like some SJW calarts shit. Even food mangas are better

If by Here you mean:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_(comics)

Then that strikes me as an art statement. At least how I'm interpreting it

It's a comic book, whether you like it or not. What's next, saying "that's not a comic, it's a graphic novel"?.

I don't think some of those are close enough to be considered counterparts. Either way, I think you'll find more counterparts to manga within indie and Euro comics.
This is merely experimental. It's still counts as a comic book. There are also experimental manga, most notably stuff from the gekiga era.

>more counterparts to manga within indie and Euro comics.
I agree. I do think that indie and Euro comics are a lot more diverse thematically. Webcomics as well.