Yeah I’m thinking he’s back.
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Yeah I’m thinking he’s back
Shit Marvel has been making a serious comeback with Fresh Start in 2018 and consistent quality in 2019.
Way better than 2016/2017 with their terrible editorial decisions. Good job Yoshida.
My body is ready for an Eternals run by Hickman - literally the only writer who can pull it off .
I'm glad Marvel comics are getting better, I just wish that Bendis leaving Marvel didn't mean Bendis joining DC
Man, I wanted Hickman for the new LoSH book after DdC, but I guess Bendis is going to have his grubby mits on that too?
this make my penis the big penis
I doubt it, more likely I think that Bendis will get one of his buddies to write it under the Wonder Comics label. Are there any we know of who aren’t working on something right now?
BASED SHOGUN
Oh joy, more graphs, lack of characterization, years long build up to a climax that is a complete letdown.
Great, more overblown pretensions twaddle
>be DC
>flirting with hickman for over two/three to get him on board
>even invite him for lunch with jim lee
>be Marvel
>make hickman come back at first occasion
Talk about differences
Please be another Avengers run. Or make X-Men good again.
Who?
Well, considering the only reason I still have a pull list is Hickman (East Of West & Black Monday Murders), sure, bring it on. I'll buy this.
Thank God he didn't come to DC, there are enough hacks there as it is.
Came here to post this. Also thankful that my prediction regarding this BLANK PAGE, SPARSE BLACK TEXT teaser was indeed none other than Hickman paid off. I'm glad there will be another good writer on Marvel now, because I felt the amount of God's books shrinking lately and I didn't want to just follow Ewing at this point. Besides someone needs to take the fucking focus off Cates already, and who better than Hickman for that.
And yes, hopefully it's not an X-Men book, fucking hell I'm tired of those.
Delusional as fuck. Enjoy snyder and bendis
>there are enough hacks there as it is
Retard
Based Hickman completely BTFO DC. DiDio and his fellow readers dont deserve him.
Keep crying Tommy.
>not liking Hickman
Inferior taste
That was the exception. Now marvel is back to kick dc's ass
This is the type of readers who deserve King and not Hickman
>"Fuck King, when is he going to go to therapy already? Stop ruining Batman!!"
>What, Hickman? You can keep him, we're good here"
>Shitman back in the shithole
Good.
>keeps coming here to promote his shitty slapfight battles from other forums
Retard
>liking Hickman
Inferior taste.
Tommy in full force today
Kek
That's how you lost the war, Fritz.
Tommy/Ladderbro stop it
It's Eternals. Hickman doesn't like X-Men.
I'm banking on this. Honestly, I don't want to read another fucking X-Men book, and it would be the perfect slap on the face to all these arrogant X-Men fanboys who can't conceive of anyone liking Eternals.
Is fritz written by hickman?
Lol fuck off shill.
>other forums
Contain your autism please
You can't argue the lack of characterization isn't true. Even in his own comic (East of West), the characters are just there, the developments they undergo are more important storywise that characterwise.
Do you think Cates and Hickman would work well together?
Cates wants to write about the big cosmic stuff that comes naturally to Hickman.
Why Tommy is so obsessed with hickman? For the Doom omnipotent thing?
Welp, time to read based Kirby's run before Hackman and the MCU rape the Eternals to death.
That guy is right, you know.
Why ladderbro is so butthurt about people not giving a fuck about Marvel comics ever again?
Tommy dont try falseflagging like this
You're right. Ladderbro only cares about those crappy live action movies; true Marvel fans care about having good comics.
I'm guessing he's just not that kind of writer, a lot of science fiction writers often focus on the criss-crossing storylines and overarching plot while often these obscure characters are only there to push the plot. At least I've felt a similar way towards Alastair Reynolds, which I like, but the hints of personality come off through the dialogue, where they act bitchy or laid back but they're rarely outright developed.
I don't know but I also *hope* not, because Cates has no semblance of nuance or storytelling, he just goes for cliffhangers and "fuck yeah" moments that make absolutely no sense, while writing a story he would like to read but not one that's actually good.
He's wrong and clearly someone who didn't even read older Avengers or Thor, where they were prominently featured. It's exactly like looking at the last few years and assume nobody cares about the X-Men because there weren't books about them, and not because they were in the freezer for a bit.
That dude right there is just a fanboy like many who don't read beyond the myriad X-Men books and assume everyone else is like that too. Meanwhile, I don't really care about them and I've always been interested in cosmic, and one of the first things that I was absolutely drawn to was the Eternals.
Oh no.
I thought we were past this nightmare.
Okay, faggots. Enjoy your boring EPIC plots, wooden characters, even more wooden dialogue and decompression that makes Bendis stories feel like Lee/Ditko's Spider-Man run.
What did we do to deserve this? What other iconic characters will he ruin permanently this time?
Who, pray tell, did he ruin?
Based Tommy
t. butthurt casual
Reed Richards. Tony Stark. Steve Rogers. Steven Strange.
No, I'm not talking about them destroying planets. I'm talking about them giving up, accepting death and leaving the planet to die until the cabal saved them. They can't be considered heroes after that. Rogers was the biggest affront, as he acted like a fascistic supervillain, an equal to Tony who was INVERTED by Axis. Choosing to spend the final minutes of Earth punching Tony instead of saving civilians is another thing you can't go back from.
... The fuck?
Go to read a bendis book then, retard
Solid counter argument. Is redirecting the only thing Hackman fans can do? Is it because reading his inhuman dialogue for so long fried your brains?
That wasn't me, the guy you originally replied to. It's likely someone trying to bait, like the dude who called me a casual for no reason.
And I simply had no retort to what you said, so I said nothing.
>someone actually excited about hickman
jesus the comics are barren of talent
Portrayed in pic: deus ex machina, one dimensional plot devices.
I remember how Hickman used to be very divisive on this board. What the fuck happened?
His Avengers run was so bad it created a dubbed parody that was miles better.
Captain Universe is older than dirt, though.
Don't talk to me, moron. I've read Micronauts, which is his first appearance, in case you don't know. He was barely strong enough to hold off one supervillain. The power creep is a product of modern comics, and it's not even what I'm talking about. Hickman's Captain (who did NOT exist before) is a deus ex machina by virtue of being asleep until the right moment she was needed, waking up with no explanation, exactly like Quasar in Secret Empire. It's an old hackish tool.
Just Yea Forums being full of retards and contrarian faggots
To be honest I remember the threads back when the Inhumans push was starting where people said they should've pushed the Eternals instead, with some posters going as far as laying out plans on how to do so (using Maelstrom, using those "new gods" kids from that mini when the 4th host actually came back)
Yea Forums liked a lot that Parker used them in Red She-hulk (I think) and demanded more as an actual space/sci-fi people as the Inhumans became more and more grounded with the nuHumans shit
>Don't talk to me, moron
Oh okay, I won't. :^)
Unfortunately this.
And yes I remember this also, they just went lazy with the Inhumans because they were the "closest" to the X-Men instead of going cosmic from the start, I'm damn sure it wouldn't have failed because at the very least these Eternals would've produced some quality Kirby era material well separated from the mutants, avoiding lazy comparisons. Then again, that would've also demanded good writers and not the ones we got.
Many oldfags left as you can see from the catalog consistently being mostly cartoons now and the Wednesday storytimes getting sparser and scarcer. Secret Wars was 4 years ago after all. Now what's left is the company wars faggots and those who vaguely remember the grand scope and high stakes of Hickman's F4 and Avengers' runs but forgot what disgrace everything leading to SW (and SW itself) became, with tons of plot threads being dropped and everyone's characterization getting thrown out of the window
>Unfortunately this
If hating Hickman is the contrarian stance then his fanboys should have an easy time explaining how he didn't use deus ex machinas, right?
>Then again, that would've also demanded good writers
So we're fucked with Hickman
dumb take
Gaiman and JRJR's Eternals is a top 5 00's marvel book
If you've read less than 200 comics, sure. 500 would include Ditko, Romita, Kirby, Mantlo, Abnett, Lanning, Ewing, Busiek...
I much prefer the Knauf/Opeña boom that came after, specially since it actually tried to capture the silver age style in a modern setting. Gaiman's was good but it felt undercooked at the end.
Acuña, not Opeña, sorry. That was Hickman's.
Acuña is Marvel's J. H. Williams III.
I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the reference.
Not a reference, Williams is just the stellar artist of Seven Soldiers and Sandman Overture. He can really capture Kirby.
I keep holding off on reading Seven Soldiers, waiting to buy the hardcover... Think I'm gonna have to give up and read it digitally first and see what's what.
YES! Love me some Hickman. His stuff is great
Nice samefag.
The difference though is that the former is worse but he's also a self-colorist.
Fuck off
>I'm talking about them giving up, accepting death and leaving the planet to die until the cabal saved them
Perfectly in-character for Strange. He did (close to) the exact same thing before
Why can't you use any actual arguments?
You're asking to prove a negative (ie., that "he's not a hack"), which is kinda impossible, logically-wise.
Follow the chain. I gave my argument as to why Captain Universe waking up was a deus ex machina. Explaining how it isn't should be easy if Hickman is a great writer.
>Hickman Avengers
Was shit, are you talking about Ultimates?
Did he also go around destroying universes with an army of psychotic wizards, slaughtering an untold number of lives like he did under Hickman?
I'm the one who posted the Captain Universe pics. I'm not about to prove you how IT ISN'T a D.E.M. because that's fallacious. Not like it would defeat the purpose anyway, considering the Unipower is conferred by Eternity itself on random subjects for short periods of time, and has worked that way since. Even fucking Sue Storm had it once.
The Builders were such a lame threat, the whole run just made all of cosmic Marvel look bad. The galactic powers are so scared to these Builders that they can't fight them until the Avengers show them it's possible, the Living Tribunal is dead somehow, the Annihilation Wave got a foothold in the galaxy and it's never brought up again
Too many characters and most of them didn't amount to anything. Anyone remember Validator?
It's not fallacious because I GAVE MY REASONING as to why it is. And we're not discussing how she got her problems, but how she returned from her coma. Nice attempt at deflecting though.
>problems
Powers
Oh boy, do you guys think that Hickman will make Dr. Doom omnipotent a third time?
He did it two times and this board can't stop sucking his balls already. If he does it again, I fear what will become of this board. The catalog will be nothing but "BASED HICKMAN BEST WRITER EVER" threads
Oh no you actually said "don't reply to me, moron", remember? So I didn't.
Because you see, if you actually wanted a back and forth, a reasoned discussion where we would at least expose our arguments, you wouldn't have started by basically shutting me out for liking a character and then presenting your opinion as fact.
So whether you're right or not, I don't have to validate your point of view with an answer, which I had!
So I don't know, enjoy the aforementioned Sue as Captain Universe, I guess.
>Anyone remember Validator?
The golden lesbian alien who wanted Carol dick?
Wasn't that Ex Nihilo?
Ehhhh close enough. Maybe not universes but he certainly did murder quite some number of people with an evil psycho wizard before
Besides, the whole slaughtering thing is before he took over, isn’t it?
The Canadian chick who got raped by one of the origin bombs over and over until she became a voice for it
I don't even know who you are, dude. This is anonymous. I really don't care if you were offended an hour ago.
I shut you up because you tried to dismiss me by giving me a history lesson on Captain Universe when I know more about it than you. The post you are terrified to respond to gave no opinions of mine, only facts: Universe wasn't omnipotent in the past. The fact that it existed before doesn't matter, because I was referring to Hickman creating his OC. The fact that others were omnipotent doesn't matter, because what was Deus was the waking up from the coma. You keep deflecting and being disingenuous.
He joined up and led the Black Priests. He straight up justified his actions to Thor by saying destroying universes was like cutting out cancer. Performing surgery on the multiverse. He definitely destroyed universes, even if it was off screen.
Hickman is such a shit writer that the Black Priests, a key factor of his story, was never, ever explained. They are important and they exist, period. How did they come to be and why they do what they do? No explanation.
And this is what earns praise from Marvelfags.
>I shut you up because you tried to dismiss me by giving me a history lesson on Captain Universe when I know more about it than you.
The arrogance... All I did was post a picture from my collection and you jumped at my throat assuming that I didn't know its origins LMAO. Take a chill pill, whatever stakes you got in this I can assure you aren't my problem.
Based
I thought she was killed and some origin bomb shit was possessing her body?
See? Disingenuous.
You posted that cover to make the argument that I was wrong because Captain Universe existed before Hickman, when the reality is that carrier WAS created by Hickman. As a plot device. With no real personality. She likes pies, so that's all she'll be able to comment on through dialogue. When the plot necessitates it, she'll wake up conveniently and defeat the baddies. Why do you defend Hickman?
>You posted that cover to make the argument that I was wrong because Captain Universe existed before Hickman
Which is true
>when the reality is that carrier WAS created by Hickman. As a plot device.
Which I wasn't arguing, and somehow you asummed otherwise because you wanted to talk shit about Hickman, and I just wanted to post pictures of Captain Universes
>Why do you defend Hickman?
Why are you so obsessed in having a discussion I wasn't intending to have?
>I've felt a similar way towards Alastair Reynolds,
I agree but even if I like Alastair Reynolds too, the lack of fully fleshed characters can be disappointing, especially when the characters have potential.
Skade in Redemption Ark has a great potential and is clearly underdeveloped.
In Pushing Ice, Bella Lind and Svetlana Barseghian are described as friends but honestly, their interactions never felt more than just coworkers who get along. And when their relationship turn sour, the deepness of their "hate" felt a bit artificial.
And Hickman is no Reynolds even just on the scale of the ideas he plays with.
>which is true
I wasn't wrong, because I never implied Hickman created CU at all. You assumed what would dismiss my criticism.
This is a discussion forum. If you post your opinions expect people to ask you to defend them. If you're not going to contribute anything I don't even understand why you continued replying.
I legitimately want to understand what's to like about someone who breaks every narrative rule in the way Hickman does. You certainly admit he committed character assassination and used deus ex machinas.
Now the Hickman hate boner posters can get back to business
What's not to hate, or simply dislike, about a guy who didn't have an ending for his super duper saga and even laughed at readers about it?
And the Hickman cock suckers as well.
And Yea Forums gets upset when it's pointed out that they worship any writer that makes Dr. Doom omnipotent.
Name a single current Marvel writer that doesn't get shit on here.
Name a single writer that doesn't get shit on here
Mignola
What DC storylines will he rip off this time?
Zdarsky, Ewing, Hickman. The holy trinity of Yea Forums.
Cates before "Death of the Inhumans" as well.
>I wasn't wrong, because I never implied Hickman created CU at all.
If you follow the chain that led to all of this, you'd see that Hickman wasn't mentioned ONCE until you brought him up after the reply to the third post:
I never ONCE mentioned Hickman before nor the first post had anything to do with him either aside from being a character that appears in his Avengers; and it was in fact apologetically mentioning that I had nothing to say regarding an argument about mischaracterizations.
So yeah, this has always been a one-sided argument, and not from me. Enjoy ANOTHER Captain Universe, the most recent one in fact, and try to cope if you can.
The first two have a couple of dedicated shitposters, but otherwise you're correct. I'm only glad people turned around in Cates though, it's sickening to see how he started believing his own hype and people lapped that up. I bet right now there's fanboys screaming for a collaboration with Hickman too.
False, I shit on him one week prior
>Zdarsky
maybe
>Cates
CGR gets trashed and rightly so
>Hickman
How can you call him current Marvel when his ongoing is east of west
Hickman is hated bro
Thanks for contributing nothing.
Go to desuarchive, search for "hickman" or "doom" and set the results to 2014-2015. See for yourself if he is "hated".
This. He wasn't hated at the time, only when the illuminated comic appeared and people retroactively made it so he was disliked across the board here... But he really wasn't. His Fantastic Four was revered and Secret Wars was, for many, a jumping off point from Marvel because it was "the last good thing that would came out of it" (a lie because Ultimates happened, but whatever).
Do the same with "Shitman" or "Hackman."
>DC
>anything original
You hickman haters are contrarian retards. You illiterates cant even properly read a comicbook
>Marvel rips off ripoffs
Very sad.
>Hickman is 3deep5u
Don't be that guy. A true Marvel fan should feel bad for DC that they would be stuck with Bendis. No one deserves that fate.
So be the better man and explain the Black Priests to me.
All of Humphries' books have ended, haven't they? Maybe him.
No one is saying he's deep, just that you're really trying too hard here.
Can't we all just get along and focus on hating Cates instead?
Approved.
Someone tell him that the 90s were 20 years ago before it's too late.
Redneck is actually really good
>A true Marvel fan
They died out after Shooter was sacked. Now Marvel only has shills.
I'm talking about his Marvel work specifically, I don't care about his independent stuff and I don't feel like reading it either.
Humphries has been rumored to be on JSA for a while, even before Bendis jumped to DC.
Just need Weaver back, and we could get that Hickman/Weaver Eternals dream book that I've been whining about for years.
That sucks so much.
>read a Marvel book
>it's so shit that think the writer's indies are probably this bad too
>it's happening
I'm sorry but I can't. I need that Disney money to survive :(
Sounds like a dream come true...
But wait: wasn't Weaver supposed to do Frontier with him?
I started reading Relay during the time he was *still* doing somewhat decent stuff. But in retrospect I started noticing his patterns and now I realize how bad it actually was... To the point that I'm glad his name was dropped out of Relay covers, implying he only had the original idea with Thompson but that's it.
>wasn't Weaver supposed to do Frontier with him
No, I think Hickman was supposed to be drawing Frontier himself.
Oh I didn't know. But in retrospect now I see why it has been indefinitely delayed. I also wasn't aware he could draw.
I agree. As someone who bleeds DC, a lot of that blood has been left on my desk from how often I've been slamming my head into it as a result of the creative decisions they've been allowing to be made recently. Alternatively, Marvel been picking up steam and getting a lot of my interest recently. As one of the few who liked Hickman's stuff at Marvel, I was praying DC would give him Legion, because I thought he could have a historic run with it. I guess they thought it made more sense to give Superman to Bendis instead, so their loss is Marvel's gain. Can't wait to see what Hickman has up his sleeve.
hickman wanted to do the legion
johns and his ego wouldn't let anybody touch them until he finished muh doomsday clock
it's DC's own fault
Check out The Nightly News and Pax Romana. There's not much in terms of traditional panel-to-panel storytelling, tons of unusual layouts and graphic design stuff and infographics instead, but he's not a bad artist.
What is it with Hickmanfags fancing themselves "rebels"? The ones who liked what everyone else disliked?
Look at this fucking thread, dude. There's nothing unpopular about liking Hickman. On Yea Forums, Hickman is bigger than Moore, Gaiman and Morrison put together.
>As someone who bleeds from the anus
Fixed.
Based Johns.
>On Yea Forums, Hickman is bigger than Moore, Gaiman and Morrison put together.
Oh fuck you, that's not remotely true, no one thinks like this.
Not trying to paint myself as a rebel, user. I'm just basing my feeling like a minority on what I subjectively determined to be more numerous shitposts there were in storytimes of his books. Hell, on more than one occasion, his books were storytimed out of order to spoil them as well. From my personal experience, I was called out for saying I liked Hickman more often than most other creators, with maybe the sole exception of admitting to liking Johns as well. If they were just a vocal minority, they were far more aggressive than any other group that dislikes an author than I've seen. Even if people in this thread present a positive opinion of him, it's only one against the many where it's felt like the opposite.
>I'm a poor oppressed minority
You really do seem to be projecting user. You asked a question, and I tried responding sincerely, and for a second time you're coming at me like I'm intentionally shitting in your cereal. Where have I insisted I be pitied for liking what I like?
I shit on DC for making bonehead decisions, complimented Marvel for what I felt was a smart one, and you who insists it was unreasonable to feel antagonized for liking what I like have antagonized me twice despite not speaking ill towards anyone but Didio and Lee.
Thank you for proving my point.
I hope whatever is bothering you gets better for you.
You seem upset. How weak are your likes?
>Hell, on more than one occasion, his books were storytimed out of order to spoil them as well
I remember this, yeah. It's a known tactic, just like they did it during Secret Empire because they suddenly had a hateboner for Spencer after praising the fuck outta his Captain America and the whole build-up during Civil War II. Even in unrelated threads you would see people outright spoiling pages scanned from advance copies just to piss people off.
At some point it stops being about "shitting on a bad writer" and downright trying to ruin the enjoyment of others when things aren't the way you want. For instance, I've voiced my opinion about Cates before but I'm not one to go and shove reveals into people's eyes just so they get mad at it, in any case I'd discuss them in earnest, otherwise it's just a butthurt fanboy trying to get a rise out of everyone.
The fact that some Hickman haters here don't understand this is pretty telling of their attitude. Then again I've noticed a lot of them are just shitting on him out of principle and not because they like something better, as they often just go and call everything "shit" without reasoning.
If you don't like this place, what are you doing here?
Silly Zoomer. You haven't realized it yet, have you?
x-men only
i wont buy shitty new gods rip off eternals
>because I like to be assfucked online
Ah, OK. Then you should be happy about people laughing at your shilling.
At what point did I say I didn't like it here?
Now this reeks of desperation: you clearly don't like it that your opinion is challenged so you're making it out as if people who have the slightest disagreement with you simply "don't belong". I've been here for years, I'm well used to this shit. I do think you should learn to cope with opinions that don't correspond to yours, no matter how "triggered" it gets you.
Also this, thank you.
>whines about people not liking what he likes
>swears he's used to it
>accuses others of being triggered while answering with long angry rants
Amazing. Go on.
You seem to be reading my comment like I posted in all caps.
Clearly that wasn't the case.
I don't know what leads you to believe I'm upset, but it appears you've moved past any discussion of Hickman.
I wasn't being passive aggressive when I said I hope things pick up for you. Clearly something has you upset enough to actively try to get an emotional response from people online and that is sad. I hope you feel better in the future.
It’s going to be shit, just like his “Avengers” run
...
Just because I don't post low effort bullshit like yours doesn't mean I'm "ranting". I'm merely exposing my opinion.
But I await your next reply to be something like
>"claims isn't ranting"
>"proceeds to post rant"
With some smug loli pic.
>upset
>whines
>angry
I'll say it again. I hope you feel better, user.
Someone tell ILLUMINATED! This might get him back in the saddle after Carol’s stupid revamped origin broke him spiritually.
You want loli pics? Hmmm...
If you're not angry, why do you insist in having the last word?
This is the only promising writer they have in their stable. Their so called best book is a dumb Hulk book.
>promising
Euh...
Reminder that DC could've had Hickman writing LoSH, but muh Rebirth shat on it.
And why is this bad?
Let me guess? You love "fun" and "quirky" writers like Parker, Johns and Kelly Thompson.
On one hand, I loved Rebirth, and don't regret that it existed. I really would have liked to have seen Geoff reestablish the LoSH post-New 52, then have Hickman takeover.
On the other, the fact that they've clearly moved on from whatever he had planned and gone down whatever path King, Bendis, and Snyder have planned, they could have just let Hickman do a filler issue of Batman to get Saturn Girl out of Arkham, and let him get an early start since every indication is that Doomsday Clock isn't going to be canon by the time it is done.
Yeah I hated what he did to Tony and Steve, hope he never touches the Avngers.
>Hickman takes over LoSH
>It somehow ends with Dr. Doom becoming omnipotent
Thanks, but no thanks.
I bet you like Slott's Stark...
You don't remember the Hackman anons or the user who ruined Hickman storytimes.
This. Guy is disliked outside of his shitty little cult.
I've seen Cates being hated even before he touched a Marvel book. His God Country was panned in here. If anything, he was only celebrated more by vocal marvelfags when they signed him.
I am sure you remember this phrase often used during his storytimes too:
>"I don't know if this is genius or the stupidest thing I've ever seen"
How would a Hickman Moon Knight book work?
> "anons"
we all know it was one fucking autist
so glad hickman is back, he's probably SEETHING into taking years off his life right now
Ah! Suck it Doomfag, the Hick is back!
>fun is bad
OK, Hickman.
all his shitting on x-men is ironic
I'm sure he'd love to do uncanny