How do you draw yourself, Yea Forums?
How do you draw yourself, Yea Forums?
I don't.
I don't draw myself
facial features on a pile
Only faggots with massive egos do this
as my fursona of course :3
It can also be a good way to evaluate your state of being, but yes.
Why would you?
I exaggerate my giant ass forehead my beady little eyes, and if I'm drawing my body I include a beer belly
I'm shit at drawing people.
drawing a self portrait is a good way to improve.
It's very hard to get a good likeness- usually it's easy to draw yourself much uglier or much better looking, or just not capture the "self" at all.
If you intend to draw at all, it's good to do.
Don't do this shit again, its awful every fucking time.
My self portraits are never consistent
Left handed? Same
Have you ever drawn yourself grtting plowed?
no shame in that. gotta do what needs to be done to keep the power on.
What do you draw, then?
like this, i guess?
I'm a cutie
fuck i fell over
Isn't it a sort of masturbation?
Anyone who draws themselves with sweatdrops are likely to be socially retarded
chrischan?
I can't draw a character as ugly as I actually am
my waifu worshipping me
post pics and I'll try
Anyone who draws not on canvas in academic style is sort of retarded. But it's Yea Forums we are all sort of retarded
you got me
ohnononono
Old doodle from a while ago
>TUUUUUUUBES
tried it, eh
Badly.
Never try. Plenty of burn victim photos out there, just pretend.
Pic related
Good luck trying to be artist without ego, never going to make it
Nah, I just tend to mirror self-portraits.
go to fucking /ic/
i fucking hate learning how to use the tablet versus pen and paper. I also hate not have a scanner at my home. anyone got an tips to getting more comforatable with a tablet? I'm not much of an artist, this whole digital aspect is a major set back.
unironically practice
You can put a piece of paper over your tablet to make it feel more like drawing on physical paper, however it will wear down the tips of your stylus faster.
Just use it a lot and you'll get used to it quickly. Also make sure it's set up properly to your monitor.
Nice style, I like it
I can describe myself.
Keep on drawing until you comfortable with it. At first year it feels like you are 5 years old again, but then suddenly your skill on tablet is the same as on paper.
Humble artists end up being the best because they can recognize all of their flaws and strive to improve.
Egotistical artists like Andrew Dobson stay stuck in a rut forever because they think their art is perfect.
as skeleton or a cool dinosaur or maybe both
I gave up and got a screen tablet. You can buy a really good one for around $250 now.
I like painting in a sketchbook but I don't see the point of buying canvases in the 21st century when digital is a thing
I was not serious
>How do you draw yourself, Yea Forums?
I don't because that's obnoxious.
For me it was really easy to use a tablet, but I have good hand eye coordination and I think that's what allowed me to transfer over so easily. You will learn it user, like all things, it's just something you put time into figuring out.
>I have good hand eye coordination
oh well just be a fucking asshpe abut oy mam fuvl oiu
Based
Just a quick sketch, barely tried.
Kek
>nose
This looks exactly like the kind of shit you'd see one of those obnoxious conceited cartoon storyboarders have as their avatars on social media.
Like this
fuck off attention whore
If you don't read novels, get out of my sight
hold it, you aren't going anywhere until you fix that shitty asshole vibe
>lost a bunch of weight
>don't know how to draw myself anymore
no way fag
you fucked up the glasses. 0/10 see me after class
she wishes she was pregnant
its anime style
nice style user.
>short hair
>meh expression
>thick eyebrows
>glasses
>passive angle
>female + these things
Whenever I'm forced to remember that these are the kinds of people I argue with over stupid shit that should be obvious to anyone with a brain I wish I was just back in school again on the debate club. 10x more relaxing.
It's fine to draw yourself for shits and giggles every once in a while, but make the most of your work based on self portraits is really lame among artist colleagues.
>It's fine to draw yourself for shits and giggles every once in a while
i guess but never publicize it, like my uncle gerain and his maximum profits plan
out of every little strip I made or tried to make, selfbiographical stuff is by far what people like the most.
yea tumblr loves that "slice of me" shit
Ooh la la
>tumblr
How fucking small is your vocabulary that you see "slice of life" or "autobiographical" and automatically associate it with tumblr you fucking mongoloid.
About the size of your penis.
>If I tell him his dick is small no one will realize I don't know shit about comics
Also please don't even try to take the "lmao who reads comics anyway" road because it will sound just as pathetic
>about comics
take a joke and also thats less about comics in general and more about your personal life fag
I got hit with a rock when I was young and ended up with a scar above my eye that fucks up how my eyebrow grows. No idea how I got the other one.
What joke you fucking cunt, you merely claimed slice of life shit is tumblr. The only punchline here is your stupidity.
Christ you have no self awareness.
You look like this annoying chick I know named Katherine.
I'm not even interested in drawing autobiographical or slice of life shit, but you made a baseless claim, got called out on it and for some reason now you're trying to pass it off as some mature joke a pleb like me wouldn't understand.
Assuming I lack self-awareness, so does you, because you keep insisting you made a funny joke when it was nothing but another example of the "everythign I don't know or like is tumblr reddit pol resetera discord trannies casualgaters" etc. which plagues Yea Forums as a whole.
>some mature joke
you're really fucking overdoing this, the penis size thing was a joke, thats it, chill the fuck out you god damn spazz
I'm not even talking about the penis size, I'm talking about your ridiculous claim that one of the most perennial genres in comics, both in the West and out of it, one of the few types of books which will constantly pop up as soon as people get access to the format of comics, is somehow "tumblr".
Yea I'm sure the biographies of a Yea Forums user hits big numbers.
>protesting this much about how her stupid illustrated blog she paints in menstrual blood isn't tumblr
>I'm not even talking about the penis size
>What joke you fucking cunt
christ just fuck off if you cant even handle banter
I neve said I tried to publish them, but let's remove myself from the equation.
If you walk up to the nearest non-comic reading person over the age of 18, what do you think it's easier to sell: 75 years of Batman comics and spin offs or a graphic novel by Chester Brown or Chris Ware?
I'm not a woman, I don't do slice of life work, I don't post my work online (most of the time), I'm just sick of faggos like you that always have a shitpost up your sleeve about comics even though you clearly don't know shit about the medium.
>What joke you fucking cunt, you merely claimed slice of life shit is tumblr. The only punchline here is your stupidity.
read the rest of the post you illiterate fuck. I get that reading 22 pages full of pretty pictures is difficult for you but this is just ridiculous.
you kill this board further and further
>You kill this board about comics and cartoons further and further for being angry at people who dismiss comics and cartoons based on ther paranoia about another website
Jesus christ man.
>hey random person, you you want a riveting adventure story that you can choose to invest anywhere from 15 to 1500 minutes of your time in that has ties with several movies you've definitely seen and enjoyed, or do you want this story about a pigeon made of circles who has leukemia?
10 gorillion hours in MSPaint.
Yeah, because all the millions of people going to cape movies are leaving the theaters straight into their LCSs to get the entirety of the Batman Library am I right fellow Yea Forumsmrade?
You have to be some form of autistic.
Please explain me why, because from the way I see it, I can't be autistic judging I have enough socialization skills to know all the people I know who shy away from big two stuff (and even long-running non-big two books like say, Love & Rockets or Hellboy) but will gladly read self-contained works.
I don't know why is it so hard to realize given the state of this board that capes, specially big two capes, are A) a dying breed and B) only generating more cape readers.
>Please explain me why
Because you're doing that huge fucking response freaking out thing missing vital points and overall just being as much of a nuisance as who you're talking to. This board has a lot of those like you.
I mean holy fucking shit, getting into continuity, which you paint as something no one even bats an eye, is such a serious problem that people IN THIS VERY BOARD which only arrived here AFTER they had some sort of interest in comics in the first place still need a fucking guide and a bunch of reassuring words on the Yea Forums-recs tumblr
>Let's just allow these assholes to shitpost their retarded opinions as facts, this surely won't affect the general board quality
be the change you wanna see, cunt
Everyone deserves at least one (You).
jesus christ imagine what chad can do with those fingers
You look like a character from an Indie dating sim.
>ass ugly
>find self portraiture fun anyway
Am I shit or I'm using shitty charcoal if I never manage to get those mid grays?
I use pretty shitty charcoal, some lighter greys I have to just pick powder up from darker areas with a smudger/q tip/cotton ball and just use what I've picked up in the area.
I'll choose to take that as a compliment.
Yeah, I have to do this sometimes but it always ends up looking smudged as fuck so I'm gonna have to assume it's both, shitty charcoal being handled by a shitty artist
This me
Paper also can fuck with softer materials, like I love using super shitty cheap stuff but I use good paper when I'm drawing with charcoal or else everything becomes a god damn mess.
dreamy
These threads always explain so much about this board.
This ties to yet another issue, since I finished school, my budget for supplies dropped to the floor (since mom & dad ain't supporting their little special boy anymore) to the point I was just receiving a wacom table I got in debt over purchasing because going digital seems like the most viable outcome right now.
You’re good people, user.
yeah when it comes to being skinflint there's always the shit you can innocuously take home for free from a wagie job, like pen on printer paper.
Kinda rusty, and trying out a new tablet.
are you gay? I don't know why but your portrait gives me some homo vibes, though it might just be the pink background
He also looks a bit like Wallace, so you could be picking up some residual gay-by-association vibes.
he has a flippy hairstyle, a slight build, and picked a pink background I think the combo did it.
huge monkey paw because I work at an art school, theoretically I can steal some pretty hard-to-come-by stuff even if you're trying to purchase them. The problem is, it's district funded, so we go by mostly by donations from companies trying to get some tax-write off.
A few years ago, when I was still an intern there, we had both state and federal funding so it was the shit, constant boxes of high-gramature canson stuff, koh-i-noor pencils and my personal holy grail, loads upon loads of unipins. All of that is gone now and my fucking wacom desk is acting out and refuses to recognize the drivers I so lovingly installed for it.
:^)
He's also priming his hand and mouth for cocks.
That's Wacom after the first year and a half for you.
But not even the model is one and a half years old, let alone the tablet that I received 40 minutes ago by Yea Forums's clock.
Do you mean "anything the company released after a year and a half of existence" because if that's the case this is fucked.
>106503427
Fuck off, boco.
cuck
post it
Like this
>egotistical people can't recognize their flaws and strive to improve
But that's wrong you faggot
Yer cute desu
>Yea Forums changes t b h to desu
>Yea Forums
hownew.ru
lots of fun styles here
I cant draw, but a friend once drew me this
>nice comment but the self portrait looks really mean
huh
Having an ego is the exact opposite of analyzing your flaws you dumbass
nigger this is gorgeous
I gave up on drawing a long time ago but this was fun
I'm no good at art but my friend drew me as a girl and I can't stop thinking about it
looks a lot like space avalanche
You would be saucy if you had a dick
Could some body draw me that would be aight
Alright this shit is much more difficult to use than what I expected
I look perpetually smug or angry and have a very deep bass voice that intimidates people for some reason, but all I want to do is be friendly have a nice time desu
you are very handsome user
Why did your friend do that?
He's drawing lots of people from our group as girls. Why? I dont know.
I dont draw
My gf drew me once, I really like this oldish/classic style tbqh.
Well, at least you're a conventionally attractive kind of menacing.
If you were girls he could fuck you and be a harem protagonist.
That's why.
You see, your friend is a patrician.
But really tho paint me up dog
Thanks to the feedback! I love the paper concept and already it feels more natural. I can't wait to post on another thread in a while.
really smart thanks alot. 10 minutes of practicing with it is already a major boost since this morning.
Thanks for pointing that out. My actual quick jot of it at least has straight curves, but is still the same idea. I was thinking it looked too generic and bland.
I'll get better once I can nab this tablet down and hopefully quit relying on such a boring style.
>being a John Egbert
Don't cut your dick off.
the brown bang swipe, glasses, slouch, zip up hoodie (or something else unfashionable) and humble conceitedness, haven't I met you a dozen times?
>what is Tony Stark and generally not being a delusional retard while also basing most things in life around how it affects you or working towards being the best at something for the sake of becoming excellent or a million other egotistical concepts
Imagine thinking having basic self-awareness means you can't be egotistical, it's not the same thing as narcissism you fucking mongoloid
Kinda fun even though i can't draw for shit.
The (You) train commeth.
they aren't actually very psychologically rewarding if they're for everybody and don't come with any commentary.
The idea is to make it more likely for people to reply to the drawings by making a big glaring post that helps people see any they might have missed.
Hope I'm not too late to the thread
I've been told I have to brand myself a little better, so I did this last night for my instagram.
I realise I look like a shady salesman though
I dig it
I'm not exactly an artist but a good friend of mine drew me a few years ago
Ahahah yess
This but nonironically
You look like the guy from penny arcade.
Dang this is the good shit
You're a very pretty man, mister.
Thanks, user. I'm sure you're very pretty too.
This one's my favorite. You're incredibly talented
Hi. Am pretty boy, yes?
Magi?
Hey you should come over I just made dinner
with eye bags and my generic hairstyle, nothing that special. I enjoy drawing my other characters more anyways.
for example, i like this one a lot. Conveys my art style more clearly
I really like your style. It's super cute!
havent drawn myself in years
Is it because you're afraid of having to look in a mirror?
One I did a while ago.
I lost a little bit of weight.
i like chickens
Had to dig deep for art that was actually a portrait and not an OC or self insert. Ignore the chinkshit, was pressed for any type of paper at the time.
That looks familiar, do I know you?
best in the thread
Kind of unrelated but my girlfriend told me to post the shit I see in my nightmares here so I figured I might as well?
Demon on top is the most recent, wails with no mouth, cries, sits in the background of my dreams sometimes or is just present in my nightmares. Uses tentacles or is just missing arms depending on the dream.
Demon on the bottom is from a few years ago, was just a smug piece of shit that would stare me down and smile. I didn't see anything but his smile under his hood and recessed shadows where his eye sockets would be. Sometimes he pops up in my current nightmares just to unnerve me. I just feel like he's literally my ego or pride forced into some weird manifestation. Sometimes he has tentacles reaching out of his back, sometimes instead of a hoodie he's wearing cultist robes, but he's always basically the same and has the same uncomfortable malicious feeling surrounding him.
I draw both of these guys a lot.
A fictional character.
I mean the guy is wrong, some of the greatest artists are massive egotistical assholes but that ego also drove them to do great things.
Ego in the hands of the unskilled just creates delusional navel gazers in the hands of the skilled however it creates people willing to do some crazy shit because they have the confidence to do so.
However there are also humble artists who were great too.
Are you a background character in Teen Titans Go?
>his subconscious is inhabited with deviantart SPC Foundation OCs
nice style anyway
as blueman
quite possibly but I doubt it.
You’re that goth femanon with the chicken pet right?
Better than my weird dreams of having sex with my friend while crying
I don't know, you tell me
Extreme exaggeration is the key to not making yourself look like a boring emo like you do in real life!
la creatura...
You look like a very deformed smear frame of Pearl.
I don't draw a lot anymore, I get too frustrated and I never keep enough pencils around.
So here's my best shot with 5 minutes and a pen.
Now I'm not a gun fag but that is a really nice looking gun
Damn just realized I'm so used to not having tattoos that I don't remember to include them in my self portraits
I made this years ago. I really need to update my avatar icon...
Drew myself about a year ago as a joke self-insert for my webcomic.
wtf i have to read witchways witch now
Any specific recommendations for screen tablets at this price point?
I kinda want to see people post their art blogs/galleries.
>lost a little bit of weight
I hope the osteoporosis hasn't been too cruel
(You) round up.
what this is like a sports now?
It reminded me of something you'd done in a similar style.
Your art style reminds me of Brianne Drouhards art except less saccharine.
I'm tall and lean but I draw myself like short and fat. The hair, shirt collar, and pants are blue by default but I change them to whatever fits my mood or the color palette, usually green, purple, or pink.
is that Herculad?
pls be in london
I wish my nightmares were still like this with monsters and inexplicable creatures, instead now i get nightmares where i'm mugged and stabbed, in a fatal car crash, or taken hostage and shot in the back of the head.
IT'S HERCULAD!
CUTE LIL MAN!
I'm using a x-pen artist 12, bought it for 160 euros new (special offer at the time)
pretty happy with it too
Have you looked in a mirror recently?
Only toony for the most part
Mostly cartoonish
Tell us of your demented fetishes
Ironically I'm not into fat or shortstacks. I like tall, hourglass-shaped ladies with short hair. Mature archetypes like teachers, office women, and fancy sophisticated dames are my favorite.
in 2 minutes on MS paint
this is everything i hate about avatars
i
But it doesn't look anything like Korra.
These threads show the problem with the board's sense of humor through how the drawings are.
Oh do enlighten us on your superior refined taste in humor, show us the error of our ways through some examples you believe are up to snuff.
This post shows the problem with the board's sense of humor through being an opinionated snob.
Every fucking time
>I sure showed them
Never said that. You fucks always show how obnoxious you are with your responses, just as juvenile as any given summer camp island thread or other preschool series thread group. It's the entire board.
>It's the entire board.
Yourself included?
Do you ever want to try something different?
Reminds me of the Ratman doodles from Portal 1 and 2, great job.
Still haven't provided an actual alternative/counterargument that isn't just insults that try to insult the people rather than focus on the topic.
bottom right
You are way too young for this board.
you can't keep getting away with it
I'm mostly just concerned for your complete lack of self-awareness. You're everything you're complaining about, user.
Show us some better examples, user.
But I always do. Women can't resist my animal magmetism.
28 is too young?!
Haven’t been drawing for long took a beak for a couple of weeks. Probably shouldn’t have
I'm the fat one
like this
desu i saw it as a popcicle head
Do I look like a looser Yea Forums?
No, but you do look like aged up Ed from ed edd and eddy
Looser than what?
Not letting this die without handing out the compulsory (You)s.
How do I hatch shade like this?
Thanks
poorly
been growing my hair for 6 years, it started getting me sex with 8/10 women and up beginning about 2 years ago so i havnt cut it yet
jesus fuck how many femanons are on this board
This is the last drawing I did of myself back when I wasn't getting a lotta sleep.
In the way that it's really only males who do it and most who do it just do it quick and dirty?
hope you fuckers like mspaint
fuck, that's good.
This style makes me feel like this user's avatar should be a character in Soul Eater
no it isn't, you're just horny.
sup gastric
PLEASE make fun of my penis
Kirby background character/10
Hello! I hope you had a good day! Did you draw yourself in this thread?
I was going to say more of an indie webcomic. Like, I wouldn't be surprised to see a character like this in some webcomic about nerd stuff.
you look like depressed Bryan Lee O'Malley
like this
I actually like this. It's reminiscent of a storyboarder's boards and sketches, which I dig.
Absolute chad face. Good on you.
do you have a pet chicken or just drew one for the picture?
actually feels like it could be some artist dude on Twitter's profile pic.
My fellow nigganon
this looks like if Hey Arnold grew up and Arnold got fat as hell
dude, your OC is handsome as hell.
I can't be, I just fapped an hour before.
Good shit
I'll be perfectly honest, the thing I drew the most when I was a teen was myself. Although it was really mostly rule 63 so it doesn't count
I know he's a fictional character user but I was just using the basic principle behind his character as an example, besides that I agree completely that ego is a double-edged sword
>Although it was really mostly rule 63 so it doesn't count
lemme see
Here's my most recent one from a couple of months ago.
Das cute. Post more, if you have any. Why’d you draw r63 of yourself anyway?
Exaggerated giant nose, sad face, cave brow, chibi body. Draw my dogs like fat blobs with poo-brain eyes
Loomis has failed me
tg fetish and suppressed autogynephilia
which also led to a crossdressing fetish along the way
i'm not posting anymore though
by the way this is like 3 or 4 years old by now
like the fuckin chimp i am
Any ladies here wanna be my Repo Wife?
The black person said I made him look like Lazlo
I actually think he looks more like Dayon
Are you the goblin man
(You) and also bump from page 10.
this
This is a picture of me as a maid drawn by a female friend of mine in high school. I thought it was really cool at the time but now I'm beginning to wonder why she did this.
I have a surprising amount of fanart, weirdly. I'd say this one is more accurate.
You like the mole guy from the Disney Atlantis?
This one was drawn by an ex-girlfriend, so excuse the edge.
>I thought it was really cool at the time
Why?
It was obviously her weird sissy fetish.
>mondo lame
You just took me back
Woah, psychicpebbles, is that you?
You look cute dude
heyyy it's gastric!!
That man is not what I imagined how he looked like at all.
Its like I am some sort of crypto user that people spot for fun. ha. ... or is it just you that go "are you magi" at me at various places?
A true american hero
unironically a full 10 minutes in some app called paintbursh that I don't remember downloading
What does your stand do?
you look like a 2010's reboot of the goon
Why do everybody compare this to Jojo? Heh, never even watched the show.
That was kinda the vibe I wanted(a big fan of the good comics.)
Thanks! I’ll post more in a bit.
Because you have a weird-colored magic buff dude behind you.
The whole "stand" gimmick is that when the characters have magic powers they manifest as a separate person-looking thing.
Are you some fusion of the royco cup a soup guy and TF2 medic?
I think that was the idea, yeah.
Looks like that slut from Foamy and Rose Lalonde mixed together, and then styled by >Shadman
I'm guessing you're a tranny.
How did you draw me so well? Ever thought of being a professional, dude? I could commission you!
Are you Shane from stardew valley
you're cute I wanna cuddle you
bottom two were with the mouse
Are you me?
like this
chicano wolverine?
nevermind being "ugly", you actually look like a weird interesting person
Only nice ones this thread
Probably the best lines in the thread, yeah.
But there's a lot of good stuff in here.
So you're just a geriatic crayzar?
there's a diference between deliberate style and lazy/incompetent artists
No, if that was it there are a couple that really show off technical skill that you missed.
Those three just suit your aesthetic preference, it's not actually for the objective "best" or most meticulously crafted.
>are a couple that really show off technical skill that you missed
post em then. I can believe that I might have genuinely missed them
Why are there yotsubas in the background?
Eschews the linework, probably the least cartoony portrait in the thread, creates a lively impression (I can see where you'd object to this one, but I really dig the movement and composition, it's got a Rea Irvin thing going on.) pretty simple, with the simplicity we get some really playful texture and I dig the little things like the ear cutting into the hair. The texture does hide a bit of sloppiness in the proportion. I like the colors, The mess works with the vibe and character it wants to impress.
Probably some of the best of the thread, but in general the thread's not that bad as an average smattering of self portraiture.
i have one of those stupid japanese paperweights so this happened
Alright, those four you posted were nice. A bit iffy on , but the color choice is deliberate enough, i'll give it to you.
This is the first time i try to draw myself
El Goblina
I normally draw furfag stuff so this felt weird
I like how you drew your face, very cute
very Jamie Hewlett-like
la creatura...
Why did you delet
artist here. And I like ass and tidds. Maybe my artstyle is just gay
Thanks I guess. It would he better if I were then, huh?
Killed for furry.
The faces of Yea Forums, some of them love the loud house, some of them shill for the mouse or cry for dc, some likes stonetoss unironically and others would prefer to read a loss edit.
Somebody should ship these people
(You) know the drill by now.
You're doing God's work, user
holy shit, Hewlett is the reason i got back into drawing when i was younger so thanks
>Somebody should ship these people
Please no
>posting twice
This guy over here
T-thanks
Just started learning how to draw, haven't tried a face yet. Pretty decent practice for noticing lines and shapes and stuff I guess.
Me and my dad
Wait a minute, Omega Mode guy is that you?
your dad shouldn't flip people off like that.
Yo it's gastric
That's me flipping off, he's shocked that I'm wearing a shirt with a racial slur on it.
This is actually one of my few more cartoony drawings. I mostly draw animu inspired shit that doesn't look nearly as bad
But what if my -PENIS- gets in the way?
like a fruit
I stay up too late and work for fourteen hours a week.
>I like ass and tidds
Cant argue with that logic, but yeah your art style looks like you rake in some fujobucks.
Literally can't stop making garlic & lemon chicken.
Cute.
What happened to the other versions?
I imagine you sounding like Granny Cuyler
Post op or pre op?
Do you use charcoals with varying levels of hardness?
Heh, my mom accdentally hit my forehead while trying to show us how to skip stones over water when I was 10.
Got a neat scar out of it.
Nice cock.
Not me but I also drew my best friend.
Sorry for shitty quality and fuzzy pencil.
very cute :3
this is really nice. blog?
shit i really like this.
not bad for a light sketch, son
Danke, in general all I do are light sketches unless an art teacher is forcing long work out of me.
It's good. Any more sketch work? Are you going to school for art?
thank you user
Bumping from page 10 again for all of (You).
>another CO fag
Neat.
I'm in Aurora, it sucks.
qt, u look good user
you prolly looked like a cute uke and she reads too much yaoi
Looks like a friend I had a falling out with.
Except Michelle couldn't draw for shit.
I played around with trying this and I'm not liking it.
I think my biggest problem with tablets is that I can't get the lines I want.