How the hell was Mr. Incredible at fault here?

The real question is what the hell happened to all of the villains?
Like, heroes are outlawed, yet none of them take the chance to wreck havoc everywhere? I don't buy it. People should have been begging for the heroes to come back after less than a year.

According to the special features, the supers operated either as contractors for or directly under the authority of the NSA.

Most obvious solution is that the government simply used their memory erasing technology on the villains and dumped them on the streets somewhere.

>why don't the lawyers sue the villain instead
Because people on the same side aren't going to attack each other.

It's possible that this was a politically tense debate before, and Bob's train incident was the straw that broke the camels back.
It's the Megamind Theory. When the world is yours for the taking, easy, it's not fun anymore.

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It's actually an interesting question that has never, ever been properly addressed in capeshit comics. How can human law adapt to cover situations involving superhumans? Do you give superhumans free reign to do as they please? If you try to regulate their actions, would that limit their ability to properly respond to superhuman-level threats?

His super strength is intimidating. I remember hearing somewhere about how the public perception of a violent african man is extremely damaging to an individual, so Bob acting up in court probably produced a similar effect.

Why didn't you sue the guy who robbed your house who the police never caught?

Of course then you could always try suing the police for not catching him, which is what these assholes did, but you probably wouldn't be successful.

Well.....

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Sequel says they have insurance in place to deal with supervillain crime. Most of the ones who were just simple bank robbers stole their fortunes and were retired happily in Monaco or the Caymen Islands. Anyone who was your end the world type mad scientist was probably assassinated by the government.

You'd think after the ban some supers would have gotten work at the NSA as field agents sans costumes, guys with superpowers would be useful for foreign espionage. Other countries apparently had no qualms about retaining their superheroes, they're public bodyguards for their ambassadors in the sequel.

I wasn't under the impression that there were necessarily that many super villains in the first place. The showcased powers all seem to be manageable with street-level enforcement, and plenty of "regular" humans are capable of designing crazy tech to deal with supers.

Why was the jury made up of non-supers? They're not his peers.

>Why didn't you sue the guy who robbed your house who the police never caught?
you're supposed to shoot people who rob your house

>It's actually an interesting question that has never, ever been properly addressed in capeshit comics
strongly disagree. Marvel Avengers' books between the 70s through the late 90s covered it really well. They had established laws that made it clear you use your meta powers without registration you go to jail. (yes that was a thing before Civil War in Marvel, moist writers of the early 00s were fucking hacks but that was top shelf to what was there before) how long you were jailed was in questions of what damage you did and how it happen. Some would turn a blind eye to vigilantes actions or make them "draft" Avengers which was a silly way of saying they are ok with you being a vigilante until you did somthing stupid. This was the big reason X-men were viewed at with such contempt in the 70s up was because they were working outside the law but Xavier has enough clout and fuck you money they could do as they please. It wasn't until the events of Avengers disassembled that they all got swept under as vigilantes.

Okay okay, why didn't you sue the guy who BURGLED your house who the police never caught?

>Anyone who was your end the world type mad scientist was probably assassinated by the government.
This makes me want to see a film ala-Munich about a group hunting down and assassinating supervillains responsible for an attack.

>responding to an active threat in progress when witnessing

A threat like, say, a train about to go over the rails?

>It's possible that this was a politically tense debate before, and Bob's train incident was the straw that broke the camels back.
Pretty much. It's implied that the government has to pay for all the damages the Supers cause in their battles through taxpayer dollars, and what Bob pulled launched a tidal wave of legal headaches so large that they just said "ENOUGH! We're not paying for your shit anymore!"

They hadn't passed good samaratin laws yet, so it's like how in China they can sue you for injuring somebody when you pull them out of the way of a car.

>Why not sue Bomb Voyage?

He escaped.

This is always fucking addressed. Have you ever read anything ever? Fuck off you phony faggot.

Not to mention Bob himself was one of the supers with the highest bills for collateral damage. Not fatalities, he didn't get people killed, but he broke a lot of shit.

You make it sound like we don't have that issue now, there are men and women out there that are more trained and skilled than most police but in most circumstance you do not get engaged if the police are already there nd you risk facing court if your interference makes things worse.

An incident that he unfortunately created by trying to stop Bomb Voyage, which was part of a series of incidents he willingly chose to involve himself in by being "on patrol". Legally, Bob was fucked, because the first crime in the series of events that he chose to act on was already being handled by the police

The sequel shred some lights on it.
Basically, if there are no supers, super villains will just steal shit and go home. The police may try to catch them, but they won't engage them in a brawl.
Thus if there are no supers ready to fight, there are no villains fighting back, like, you know, putting a bomb on a hostage.

"human law" is just how people agree to play a game user. it only works if everyone agrees to it.

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>This is always fucking addressed.
I said *properly* addressed, not hackery on the level of Civil War.

>super villains just go “eh whatever I don’t want to commit crime anymore”
Holy shit they can’t be serious

it has been, more than once and for a good 40 years

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Couldn’t you just then counter sue them for defamation under the guise of belittling your gesture publicly? Like if they say they don’t care if they die then shouldn’t your ego and public image be more important?

Cape heroes are just fantasy vigilantism. If you're a strong man, apply your skills at a job that needs it. Where the fuck was Bob getting the money for a batmobile if his only other skill set after the super ban was an insurance agent? You see car barreling down the street with machine guns? Call the cops and let them handle it. Why the fuck do vigilantes get in the way of professionals by popping in willy nilly? Join law enforcement the proper way.

Less I don't want to commit crime and more "I just stole 500 million dollars, time to retire to the Bahamas for the rest of my natural life."

You pull a theft like that, you had better retire, preferably after faking your death.

The movies did a better job at making me sympathize with Syndrome and Screenslaver. It's like Korra s1 with the nonbender/bender tension, which I found really interesting, but didn't seem to have a very satisfying conclusion.

Bob's car was made, paid for and maintained by the NSA. That's why they took it off him when he retired. It was government property. All superheroes in The Incredibles were trained, funded, organized and disciplined by the same official government agency.

He couldn't join law enforcement because part of the ban was prohibiting him from using his powers, it's hard to hide the fact you're bulletproof when you're a cop. He'd eventually be placed in a situation where he had to use them or let people die, and then he'd have to be relocated anyway. So he was stuck in a job where he could effectively hide his powers but not indulge his need for heroics.

>guy becomes supervillain to steal stuff and be rich
>steal stuff, become rich
>no need to be a supervillain anymore

Pretty sound logic.

It’s retarded. Most super villains are sociopaths who do it for the thrill or because of greed. You really think 99% of supervillains just fucked off once they stole some money? Bullshit.

>becoming a super villain because you only want to get wealthy
Doesn’t sound very smart does it? Think about why.

Not necessarily, it's easier to argue about real injuries and medical bills than something hard to measure like public image. They could just be saying they don't have the money to pay for the X-ray and doctor's visit that they had to have because you yanked their arm out of its socket with your adrenaline strength. They could even argue that your insurance should be what's paying for the visit, rather than theirs.

Still, I've never gone to law school so it'd be nice to get the opinion of a real lawfag here.

Of course not. The NSA likely assassinated that 99% within the first year of the ban, and the survivors very quickly got the hint to not try their luck.

Makes you wonder why they even bother with Supers if it's implied the government can make any would-be supervillain disappear.

Why didn’t they assassinate them anyway? Again, seems retarded.

you said it yourself, for the thrill. Where is the thrill if there are no super heroes anymore and regular cops can't do jack shit to you?

Gotta justify that budget somehow

To be sporting about it. Basically, retire now with your head held high, or have it blown off.

And the greedy lot just suddenly have no greed anymore? How convenient.

You think a bank robber's just going to keep stealing until he has all the money in the world? He's not going to retire after a big score or when he gets too old? Everyone has a limit.

A better question is why new supervillains stopped appearing after the supers went underground, but I personally think the older more experienced ones killed off their new competition.

Why are you focusing only on bank robbers? What about guys like Syndrome who work in the shadows to fuck shit up only because they’re fucking insane and it’s all they want to do. Where did they suddenly go?

the police captured them?
Maybe the police got too used to superheroes doing the hard jobs for them. So once supers were gone, they went back to their roots and actually able to manage to subdue super villains on their own.

Government killed them. Or they already run the world.

Six feet under. They're the ones who get assassinated by the NSA because they can't keep themselves under control. Syndrome only got as far as he did because was smart enough to not play his hand out in the open.

>106489301
In MHA Universe, literally everyone has a quirk/"power" though unlike Incredibles universe

What would have happened if Syndrome had successfully gone public and suddenly had to deal with NSA supervision?

>Mr. Pine, how did you learn of the Omnidroid weapon? Satellite data show both it and your private jet came from the same island, which you own.
>Why does your technology resemble weaponry similar to that terrorists used in the 1969 JFK airport disaster, but far more advanced?
>Mr. Pine, why does you evil volcano lair have a private mercenary army?

So? The point is that they're all registered, organized, paid, licensed, and directed by local authorities

The NSA already knew he was a war-profiteer who built his fortune making and selling weapons, given how fast they shut down his finances when he got exposed. They were probably too focused on his legit business that they failed to notice what he was really doing over on that island.

>Think about why.

Because there are superheroes opposing them? Normal criminals also face a substantial opposition to their actions, and that doesn't stop people from becoming one.

If your sole goal is to get rich it’s probably a bad idea to have a very public persona and publicly battle it out with a superhero.

A super villain is a different breed from someone who purely wants to make retirement dosh.

If you pay attention to dates it actually comes before the laws that would have saved Mr incredible from liability were actually passed

They're theater nerds who want to make retirement dosh.

I think it's stupid for different reasons. Not all super-villains are bank robbers that want to do one big heist and then retire. What about crime bosses? With no supers around, what's to stop them from taking over crime in a city through a bunch of bloody mob wars?
That's like saying that if the police don't do anything, criminals won't kill anyone. It's ridiculous, it's precisely when the police don't do anything that criminals kill more people.

Seems pretty amazing that they managed to find a jury willing to side against Mr Incredible after saving lives, stopping villains, stopping world domination plans, being granted keys to cities, and being an all around beloved media darling for years.

Since people are usually incredibly quick to side with athletes and musicians when they come into legal trouble. And this was not really like he committed a crime and fucked up, this was a suicidal guy suing him. You would think a judge in the 50's would throw it out and declare the plaintiff not in a well state of mind. Or maybe a governor or president would step in.

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Again, the NSA assassinates the ones that don't behave in lieu of the Supers who at worst only send them to prison.

And this could have been handles in the sequel by revealing the whole anti-supers campaign was actually a plot by a supervillain turned politician, or some genius plan to remove supers instead of actually fighting them.

This. The sequel should have been about villains trying to prevent the heroes from coming back and ruining their gravy train, or at the very least an actual villain who existed independently of the heroes, to prove that the world needs them. Not some crazy lady with an irrational hatred of the concept of heroism.

Which you like to know how jury pulling works? Basically it's the county/state asking close to (I want to say) 200 people to be put into a jury pool. From there they randomly select 40 to enter a room, here the case, and then whittle it down to 12. This is done by seeing if anyone has any bias, relevant background experience that could sway their vote either way, and then both attorneys go back and forth debating who they want on the jury. If it becomes increasingly harder to decide, they may ask for more people from the jury pool to choose from.

It's possible that Bob's defense attorney was fighting an uphill battle, and this was the best jury he could get. His unfortunate circumstance was the number of random civilians affected by super activity. Just look at all the shit that was going on in several hours between Bob driving and the wedding.

It is not like the superhero will avoid battling you if you are just a non-costumed criminal, user. These "public personas" are there to hide their identities, in that Mr French Guy dressing up as a mime and calling himself "Bomb Voyage" it is not different than Bob Parr putting on a mask and not using his real name while doing superheroics.

I don't think villains lived very long in this universe. They never really came back to try taking over the city again.

>Accidental death from deathtrap in an abandoned warehouse
>Wears a cape
>Underworld connections got to them before the law did
>underpaid, angry goons took care of them
>superhero actually killed them
>death penalty for crimes (it's the 1950's after all)
there are a lot of ways they can go out. But in this world, it seems like if there was a reasonably powerful villain that managed to hurt a lot of people, either the hero or the government made sure they could never do that again.

Honestly they were suing the wrong guy if they were seeking medical costs, they should have sued The insurance companies for not providing adequate Insurance for acts of Superheroism

In DC they mostly do as they please and the only government people that don't like it are the evil ones that are villains in stories. But no government can really hope to do shit about the JLA roaming around inside their borders anyway. Most people seem okay with heroes and like having them around regardless.

In Marvel Avengers membership used to count as a form of government registration since they keep detailed info on all members. And the team was state sanctioned, and sometimes funded. The FF were public celebrities and well known to the world. But the X-Men were the only real true underground vigilantes that no one really trusted, or did a single thing to build trust either.

What other reason is there to rob a bank?

Same reason pic related didn't just sue the Rhino.

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>What about crime bosses?

What about them? They exist in their world in the same manner than they do in our world.

You're forgetting that in superhero settings, there are lots of crime boss super-villains like Hammerhead, Tombstone, Mr. Negative... And like crime bosses, they're constantly trying to expand their power through violence, and inevitably innocents die.

>And like crime bosses, they're constantly trying to expand their power through violence, and inevitably innocents die.

So, just like in our world?

Except that they have superpowers, making them far more dangerous.

>live in a world where superpowers are an everyday occurrence
>don't get the insurance for it
dumb bitch deserved it

>villains trying to prevent the heroes from coming back and ruining their gravy train,

What I want to know is, how the hell were the normal human authorities handling super villains like the Underminer from robbing banks with practically no counter?

Oh the banks are insured? Fuck you, I don't care, I don't feel safe and you're don't seem to be able to do anything about it.

Why not take the middle ground and let supers legally use powers but as firefighters or other physically taxing jobs where they would be able to save people with minimal risk of damage? Seems much better for everyone than hiding or destructive vigilantism.

IIRC, the villains were told to either stay in line or go be another nations problem.

What a bitch

They're criminals, they're already breaking the law, why should they care? That's not how it works.

Heroes punch a guy who calls himself Bomb Voyage, cops shoot him. It's hard to stay low profile as a classical villain and if you do enough damage the government will send a team after you. Plus a lot of villains seems to be a response to heroes, both movies had the main villains motivation centered around superheroes.

Stay in line or if you're lucky, the feds will simply kill you.

If you're unlucky, and you have some super powers or if they just want some test suspect, you'll be publicly "killed", then disappear into a black ops surgery or experiment.

A better idea would be a bunch of heroes return as super villains.

That would make the authorities shit their pants and beg Mr Incredible to come back.

I find it amazing that we didn't see any super powered bad guys in Incredibles 2.

The fact that there was another generation means it wasn't a one time thing.

Which he had to do because Bomb Voyage's bomb blew up the tracks

He already had a reputation for causing collateral damage so it was pretty easy to build a case for him being negligenr.

Because people are going to be pissed at losing their jobs to literal ubermensch who completely supplant them and are better in every way, and some supers were psychologically barely fit for hero work, let alone a civilian career. Gamma Jack had a god complex, if you asked him to work in a nuclear power plant he'd eventually go Chernobyl if his co-workers made enough pissy comments. Universal Man outright refused to have a civilian life, god knows how he reacted to the ban.

Basically the supers system is terrible and the least awful option is shunting them into costumed hero tomfoolery so they hurt the minimum of innocent people. Probably why in an early draft the Parr family went underground because the government banned supers from breeding with each other, they wanted to ensure they couldn't reproduce.

>sometimes
Lmao

It doesn't work for some but they can always get government missions. Less self centered heroes like Bob who seem to be majority would be perfect for jobs like rescuing people. Nobody on rescue teams is going to complain that they have help that makes their job easier, more effective and safer and heroes who need jobs like that aren't nearly common enough to dent the job market. High risk jobs have very high standard to begin with and they hire people who are already exceptional because the they are legitimately dangerous. Do you seriously think that someone who risks drowning or a building or tons of rocks crashing on him and people he's trying to save would get pissy that Bob showed up and held the ceiling long enough for everyone to get out alive? Or that Frozone secured unstable underwater construction so that professiinal divers can rescue trapped person without risking their own lives? Nobody would mind them helping with dangerous jobs and everyone would be better off if they did, all they need is some training.

The supers were far too diverse in abilities to legislate exceptions for them. Mr. Incredible was one of the top heroes because he's a unique combination of power and durability, something we don't see in any of the other files. With the sheer diversity of powers, you'd need to devote the NSA to just making sure that they're not being used in a way that outshines normal people.

Frozone could be a firefighter, but the union wouldn't allow it, as he'd cause layoffs. Bob in construction would be great for profits, but the other guys would resent him for finishing a job too quickly instead of drawing it out.

Ice is not good for putting out fires and a single person isn't going to take over jobs especially when firefighters do a lot more than just put out fires. Obe super is just one super and he can be in only one place at a time handling one thing, and there's a reason any rescue operation requires a team of people, a single individual isn't going to replace them. A generic exception of "cannot use powers except in line of work utilising those powers" would be simple enough and if there were loopholes they could be changed later. It would save a huge amount of money on relocations and would make far more sense than outright outlawing powers. The only possible explanation is politicians making hasty badly thought out decision but your job related arguments are absurd and completely unrealistic.

Is Kingpin superhuman or just really strong?

late to the party but you were late to the brain party so fair is fair

the entire point was that it wasn't fair but instead politics

user pls

Kingpin is low grade superhuman. Nowhere near the league of spider-man or his normal rogues in straight physical combat but good enough to still fight.

this thread reminds me of an idea for a What If idea I had, where Buddy's Rocket Boots malfunction during the prologue, preventing him from catching up with Mr Incredible, this leads to Bob easily stopping Bomb Voyage and thus no train derailment, thanks to this the lawsuit from the guy who tried committing suicide gets thrown out(since attempting suicide is technically illegal in the first place), and thus the Age of Heroes never comes to an end

we'd then cut forward to the present day and see how things are different in this world with the Supers still being active and most of them still being alive due to Buddy not becoming Syndrome, in particular see how this affects Violet and Dash

Nobody ever cares about the super villains.

Gamma Jack nonchalantly talks about straight-up killing villains, including ones who are pretty ladies, which is usually a no-no in most superhero stories. Maybe they weren't killing them all the time, but killing villains definitely wasn't a big deal, which was probably a deterrent for recurring villains.

He’s a good boy

Where is this side info found?

DVD special features, it's weird how much they went into fleshing them out. Complete with commentary on a fake poorly animated superhero cartoon.
>Guy gets killed in a 2 second gag in a Nocapes bit
>Make him adoptive father of five kids who'll probably go back into the system because his secret boyfriend doesn't have any parental rights

>It's morally wrong to take money stolen from you.
But my money was stolen by the gov, and the tax dollars they paid me back with are imaginary (it's a 22 Trillion debt for a reason. They arnt spending tax payer money, they are just making up money and adding it on Never Paid tab.)

>How was a VIGILANTE at fault for tens of thousands of dollars in medical expenses and millions in property damage

Bruh

It's subtly established that Gamma Jack was kind of a psychopath

In the context of the Incredibles world, he wasn't a vigilante. He was basically a deputized officer.

He wasn’t authorized to act as a lawbringer, so the protection that someone such as a police officer enjoys doesn’t apply. In this case the protection would be the coverage for the medical expenses. His actions are directly responsible for the train derailement. It depends a lot on the jurisdiction, but let’s say I saw a child being kidnapped. A person tied them up and threw them in the back of a van and hid it in my neighbor’s open garage. They then closed the garage and walked away. I broke my neighbors window, ran into drivers seat, revsered it through my neighbor’s wall, and drove them to saftey. I am responsible for the damage to my neighbors wall as I didn’t have to do that.

Why is it always a black female judge/mayor/police chief

and why are they always so bad at their jobs?
sounds kinda racist to me

user, that woman is just a staff member at the DA's office.

sorry more of a reflex against all the stuff that happens in Gotham city, man does that city have some bad public servants

We release convicted felons to stop the criminals!

>Sometimes you just want a little normal
Yeah, getting rid of superheroes won't make things normal. Now, the Rhino will simply go on a rampage breaking even more cards, and the heroes won't be around to stop him.

It was the Jews that financed a campaign to make supers illegal so they can continue to rape the world unabated.

>read thread
>disappointed no one picked up on the subtle detail that the plaintiff could move his neck (despite supposedly injuring it)

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>Try to commit suicide
>Get stopped
How could he sue him again? Last time I check attempting suicide gets you institutionalized especially in the 1950s.

If you pull a person out of a burning car after pile up, you could be liable for damages if they end up suffering a severed spine due to the frantic way you pulled them out of the flaming wreckage.

Good Samaritan laws are a thing.

I liked how much detail they went into
Hypershock was pretty cool

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Why don't superheroes just become cops with superpowers instead of vigilantes? I get why guys like Batman, Luke Cage, Punisher or The Question don't, but being a powered policeman seems like it would solve more problems than it would create.

Read the mutant city blues sourcebook

>"Fuck Spider-Man for trying to stop The Rhino"

Don't have it. Give me the gist.

On the scale of Marvel Civvies how bad are the people of Mr Incredible's Earth?

He caused unwanted bodily injury. Regardless if the guy was trying to kill himself, Bob essentially assaulted him, legally speaking. It's fucked but it's well within the realm of possibility, especially with burgerland laws

fuck you bitch yeah let the rhino rape and kill everybody he wants so you can go to the mountains with your shitty girlfriend, stupid asshole, fuck you, and fuck the writters

Is she fondling his manboob in that last panel?

It was similar to a Me-Too situation. The suicidal guy that Mr Incredible saved sued him for damages and the train victims hopped on board.

Interestingly, if you look at how the victim moves in this scene you'll see he was faking his injuries. A man with a broken neck can't do that shit.
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>Mr. Incredible was one of the top heroes because he's a unique combination of power and durability, something we don't see in any of the other files
He also has spider-sense, as the director confirmed, and was by far the strongest hero they had ever encountered and the second toughest.

Literally all but our surviving trio were basically loaded with issues.

Good samaritan law didn't exist yet.

Or saving a jumper, which is what opened that can of worms.

Gotham was/is a corrupt shithole, so Batman would be less effective even before we get into the modern Batman that would absolutely deserve the Gotham PD being sued for police brutality.
Luke Cage has an origin story of being framed and sent to prison, Why would you even think he would remotely trust or be allowed to be a cop?
Do you seriously think Frank would be allowed to Frank as a regular cop?
The Question is in Gotham. Same corruption present as Batman except I'd also like to think the Gotham PD isn't dumb enough to hire a master at uncovering conspiracy theories who will absolutely uncover every corrupt cop and expose them to the public.
Luke Cage is also the only one you listed with actual superpowers.

I mentioned those guys as superheroes who wouldn't join the local PD. Really, I am referring to more family friendly guys like Spider-Man and others. Thanks for the (You), though.

>Frank not allowed to Frank as a cop.

You're lucky I am not a liberal or a libertarian, or I would write a novel of a post that would destroy all your brain cells.

He Franks the mobsters instead of mostly minorities and they have actual money for lawyers. You know exactly what I meant.

Isn't the League usually portrayed as having some sort of agreement or charter with the UN? They don't just go around doing whatever they please, and they usually respect legal authority unless extreme curcumstances are present.

Still think it would be hard to find enough people that hate supers and Mr Incredible to pack a jury.

>You would think a judge in the 50's would throw it out and declare the plaintiff not in a well state of mind

This would happen in 1950's America. Suicidal man would not be considered mentally sound enough to be allowed to take anyone to court. Especially over someone preventing his suicide.

Sort of this, supers seem to die pretty often in this setting. So villains who intentionally go out looking for trouble probably die even faster. We know Gamma Jack killed his villains, and that cop didn't hesitate to shoot at Frozone. Any non super durable villains probably died on their first night out in costume.

it's not like hitting him with a car would stop him. Rhino is not really going to be hurt by that so it was pointless.

Most of the supers had a sonic scream or shot disintegration rays. Not really useful for much outside of tearing down buildings.

I was really hoping the second movie would have some more of this. More hero files and voice recordings of various heroes. It had nothing I cared about on it.

>I didnt get insurance
>So its fucking spidermans fault why I cant drive anymore REEEEEE
Im insured and if my car got totalled I wouldnt be blindsided out of driving ever again. Fucking dumb selfish cunt.

If she really wanted to sue Spider-Man, JJ might her her on that.