This is Stephanie Brown. Say something nice about her.
This is Stephanie Brown. Say something nice about her
Connor Davis
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Landon Jones
She's got childbearing hips.
Owen Lee
How about a tight pussy?
Connor Cook
You were a better light hearted take on Batgirl than Babs could ever hope to be.
Samuel Roberts
>Stephanie Brown
>Brown
>Blonde hair
>White
What did they mean by this?
Carson Kelly
The Best
Mason Thompson
She sucks.
Angel Cook
>Stephanie Brown
Bendis Pet.
Joshua Carter
Nathan Howard
she's so full of shit“
Brandon Cooper
Absolute best girl. I want her to beat me with a brick.
Carson Jackson
>I want her to beat me with a brick.
Care to elaborate? Given her character history that's normally a thing that'd happen to her.
William Bennett
She threw a brick at Tim Drake once.
Lincoln Murphy
And Black Mask tortured her with a drill and possibly raped her.
Landon Foster
Steph is for Cass.
Luis Evans
Lucky bastard.
Jace Roberts
Steph is bootiful.
Tyler Watson
bump
Oliver Bailey
She's managed the difficult trick of being a beard that girls like.
Elijah Phillips
she cute
Leo Edwards
Doesn't she have a kid?
Parker Cook
Se was a good foil to Best Batgirl back when the two characters were their real versions instead of Nu52 abortions.
Luke Johnson
She's a good foil to Tim/Cass/Damian.
Dylan Harris
I want to know which writer was responsible for that stuff-up
Kevin Morgan
Chuck Dixon. It was a way for her to be on the sideline of the entire No Man's Land event.
Cooper Hill
I'd put a baby in her
Charles Moore
Didio hates her.
99 times out of a hundred that means she's a good character.
Matthew Sanchez
Luis Gonzalez
What's Didio problem
>hates wholesome families
>hates women
>hates children
>hates stable relationships (the only one I get is the Batman thing)
>hates happiness in general
>hates most of the DC fans
>hates non edgy story
>hates Rebirth and wants n52 back
This guy really has issues
Brody Rogers
Jordan Cox
Eli Thompson
Glad you liked it, user.
Camden Bailey
I like her
Oliver Collins
Everyone has their first Batgirl, that is their Batgirl, the one who will definitely always be the 'real' one to them.
Steph is my Batgirl.
Noah Lee
I actually enjoy her run as Batgirl a lot, one of the first comics I read. So she holds a special place in my heart
Ethan Lopez
She has a chill fanbase.
Gabriel Perry
Best Bat.
Colton Hill
Hooray, another Steph thread!
Peppiest! Batgirl! Evah!
Gavin Miller
Basically, Didio hates anything that evolves the character past his precious "iconic" guidelines. It's business, but a very flawed state of business. oh the irony that Cassandra gets into Birds of Prey and more fans will know of her by being attached to Harley will be hilarious.
Thomas Watson
Though I prefer the middle of the three, I do appreciate Stephanie as well given it fits her narrative perfectly.
Lucas Wright
I love that image.
Cass was actually my "first" Batgirl, but Steph is my favorite, because she fits my idea of what a hero should be - imperfect, but picks herself back up, and forms and community around her.
Cass is great, but her stories bum me out because even though she's the best fighter ever, she can't really win.
Ryder Hernandez
Perhaps, but Cassandra's stories were a product of the Batman comics at that time. Yet, look at her as well. She has her fans just like Stephanie does.
There is so much untapped wealth that DC has but barely touches because "protection" is just assinine over Barbara.
Caleb Davis
I'm not saying at all that Cass shouldn't have fans. I am a fan, just not as much as I am of Steph. I much prefer Cass to Babs as Batgirl (though I think Oracle is awesome).
It's very true that Cass is very, very Rucka/Brubaker era. I'm a fan of Bruce Wayne, Murderer - but it's also deeply flawed in both plotting and execution. Ah, well.
Kevin Lee
True, and Stephanie was very much in keeping with the era she was in Morrison Era. The problem Stephanie has is well-- DC just never had faith with her. New 52 comes--- bam they go straight to Barbara.
Joseph Butler
drill peppers?
Mason Hall
Steph is also a holdover from the Dixon/O'Neil era, which was, like Morrison, a much more cheerful, optimistic period for the Batbooks. Which is not to say she (or comics from that era) were fluffy - it's just that there was a sense that you could meaningfully fight against evil, instead of the slow defeat.
DC definitely doesn't have faith in her - she's only flourished when she's had a writer who really loves her (Dixon, Miller, and Tynion - and even though I think Tynion really does love Steph, I think it's pretty clear he loves her least of his 90s kids, so she got the least development and "cool" moments in his otherwise extremely fun run)
Somewhat contradictorily, as a Steph fan, I love the fact that she was Robin, and even to some extent that she died, because it's a rallying point for her fans. Without it, she likely would have just slipped lower and lower on the radar. Instead, she's never going to be forgotten, because she was freaking Robin.
Nathaniel Robinson
It's a mean spirited joke about Black Mask torturing her, and her being hot and spicy because she had a kid.
Sebastian Cooper
>Batman fires you
>finally prove yourself to him
>Batman fires you (again)
>finally prove yourself to him (again)
>the universe itself fires you
Being Steph is suffering.
William Martin
But she always comes back!
There's room in our line of fandom for hope, too.
Eli Wright
Atta user, Pollyana to the very end. And that she does. It really is remarkable how completely tone-deaf DC can be to its own narratives though.
Austin Bailey
Still so salty we never got to see this.
Christopher Clark
That comic is so well done.
Jace Baker
Nah. Bendis' pet is going to be Raven.
Thomas Bell
Nah Bendis's pet is Tim.
Easton Kelly
i miss her as robin
Bentley Allen
She was such a good Robin.
Gabriel Phillips
And I love that Scot Eaton clearly cribbed from Batgirl for this shot.
William Gutierrez
He cribbed a lot from Batgirl v. 1 for the pages prior and after that page. It was weird he didn't homage a shot from V. 3.
Ethan Bell
There's something to ships with Batman villains and the batgirls, Babs and Killer Moth, Steph and Scarecrow. Which one should get Cass? Clayface feels off after their friendship. Mad Hatter, Fries or Deadshot?
Anthony Sullivan
I seem to remember Black Mask using peppers and sprinkling the powder in her eyes after drilling into her limbs for a while in War Games. That torture scene was messed up.
Nathan Allen
Yeah, it was mostly just generic Steph Batgirl poses. But honoring Steph as Robin was so uexpected and so awesome I don't mind.
Luke Roberts
At least Babs' book got better when Steph showed up.
Jacob Sanchez
She sure is.
Carson Evans
She was a good Batgirl
Jaxon Sanchez
Never forget
Gavin Gomez
Where does this ship come from? Since when both of them have been gay?
Dominic White
It's the internet, user. :)
Oliver Perry
She's less boring than Tim Drake
Wyatt Rodriguez
He is and he knows it
Gabriel Foster
Same. Damn shame DC didn't see the ridiculous amounts of potential there. But maybe with Tim back in green we can hope (read: pray) for some kind of homage in the future.
Dylan Johnson
Shiva.
Hunter Hughes
Brandon Cook
Blame Andersen Gabyrch. He wrote their friendship kinda subtexty.
Landon Martinez
Well. You can write something not-subtexty, in fact, anti-subtexty, and it'll still get read as subtext.
Colton Wilson
Kevin Howard
Thomas Hernandez
Didn't he also rape her?
Anthony Clark
I like the new guy. He's got moxie. But before the unnecessary Mom twist, deeefinitely .
Carson Rodriguez
What we could have had...
Aiden Ramirez
So who's better in the bedroom? Cass or Stephanie?
Michael Parker
In the end, probably Cass. But Steph taught her everything she knows.
Blake Edwards
It's the one thing we know canonically that Steph has done that Cass has not.
John Rodriguez
So the best idea is to have them both at once?
Nicholas Walker
Steph being abused/fondled by Black Mask was implied only I suppose, if you read between the lines and considered what a supervillain would do to a rookie vigilante who got herself caught. Never explicitly mentioned though, for good reason. Comics don't want to go there.
While Karma probably won't be back (didn't his mind get broken?) Cass running into someone she couldn't beat with skill/style was interesting. Her losing like that is rare enough to be interesting.
Jacob Cook
That and Black Mask is fond of torture.
Blake Taylor
I always read the torture itself as being Black Mask's fetish, not actually rape.
Anthony King
So he just tortures her instead of raping her?
Leo White
>While Karma probably won't be back (didn't his mind get broken?)
It did, though given Bruce stated he intended to try and fix him, and that Outsiders was seemingly going to continue building from the seeds planted in that arc, I wouldn’t be shocked if Hill found some further use for him down the road. If Outsiders ever actually happens, anyway.
>Cass running into someone she couldn't beat with skill/style was interesting. Her losing like that is rare enough to be interesting.
Absolutely. It was also a lot of fun to see someone read Cass as easily as she does those around her. Got under her skin for sure.
Angel Butler
This
Ryder Ward
i like barbara better
Christian Johnson
G'way, Didio.
Gavin James
2011 was a good year
James Moore
Blake Jackson
I bet you creamed your pants in 2005.
Jose Russell
I would make rub her chest and ass.
Ryder Peterson
Jaxson Wright
I would make Stephanie feel more comfortable about her breasts.
James Rogers
Adam Parker
Oh my god she looks so hot!
Luke Powell
Dustin Nguyen does such a good Steph.
Owen Lopez
Tim never tapped this?
Zachary Clark
He did in Rebirth.
Leo Kelly
Hudson Wilson
Nicholas Fisher
Don't worry, because
Kayden Bennett
I think it's cute.
Henry Murphy
It is. I'm surprised there's not more.
Samuel Torres
The logical ship.
Jordan Hughes
I still think the Steph/Detective Gage ship was a bit strange. Not bad, but I was never really on board.
Henry Anderson
When Gordon confirmed his love for Batman to Gage.
Alexander Williams
His LEGAL love!
Oliver Garcia
On its own it was fine, but the fact that it was a weird unrequited-all-across-the-board love triangle with Babs made it...odd.
Austin Carter
The only really sad thing about the ending of Steph's series (other than the lack of a protracted battle against Cluemaster directly) was that the Gage stuff wrapped up too quickly.
Jordan Flores
Noah Evans
>It’s a brick. “Spoilerangs” would’ve looked stupid.
Josiah Garcia
>Batgirl threads for Steph or Cass
>No real ongoing series, haven't had one for years, only played side characters in an arc that's been over for a while
>Last for days, many posters
>Kara threads or storytimes
>Has had an ongoing since forever, low quality Rebirth finally getting better
>Threads fizzle out, noone seems to care too much
Why is this? What do Steph/Cass have on Kara that makes them so much more popular than the Girl of Steel in comics?
Dominic Garcia
Oooh, nice reference to "eggplant" vs. "purple."
William Harris
Because there's so much Kara out there. She's everywhere. You also just said it yourself user that her Rebirth comic is only now getting good.
Cass/Steph have their runs (though the former had more appearances in Tec than Steph who did have two single issues devoted to her). It's just the nature of Yea Forums. There has always been a very strong Cass/Steph fanbase here.
Gabriel Foster
Speaking for myself, every Supergirl story I read just isn't very good, while Steph and Cass have really good stories that indicate potential for more.
Ryder Nguyen
Kara’s not enough of a walking disaster.
Colton Bailey
I wish Spencer could have written his Supergirl, Steph, and Damian team-up. The Amy Reeder covers were gorgeous.
Nicholas Taylor
This got me thinking, since we have a Dark Trinity (Jason, Artemis and Bizzaro), why not a Happy one with Steph, Kara and WW's little brother who got introduced not that long ago (no idea what he's like or what happened to him though)
Charles Lewis
Thomas Cox
Uh... got any recs for a newbie user? I haven't read any stories about em...
Tyler Ortiz
Ahahahahahaha.
Steph, Kara, and maybe Cassie or Donna would work. Jason is a horrible character who basically ruined Wonder Woman's book for a year.
Gabriel Lopez
Well, I would definitely recommend both of their Batgirl runs. Cass's run through the first three years of her run, and that's the best era for her stuff. Steph's run through her whole run, and it's really a delightful two year arc.
There's also a couple of nice "recs" images that I unfortunately don't have saved to my compy right now.
Robert Jones
Uh... I'm really sorry for my noobness user but you got specific titles or writers? I kinda noticed that most runs tend to have the same titles and stuff so I wanna make sure I'm reading the right one. Thanks for the recs!
Jace Gomez
I've never been a Supergirl fan, but I feel like I couldn't tell you what Kara's character traits are, whereas I could easily with Cass and Steph. Kara has never felt like a very interesting or well-defined character to me.
Lincoln Adams
They do need an update.
Lincoln Myers
Andrew Hughes
Sure thing. Here's Cass's run:
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Steph's run:
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Levi Sanders
The Puckett/Scott Batgirl run for Cass, the Bryan Q. Miller Batgirl run for Steph.
Tynion's Detective Comics during the Rebirth era also featured both, though it has a somewhat mixed reception around here and Cass definitely has a better showcase than Steph. I thought it was fun while it lasted, though.
Christian Morgan
Same guy btw and I'm also open to Supergirl recs if anyone's got any. Actually any well written female heroes would be good. (Wonder Family, Babs, heck even Marvel stuff I'm not picky.)
Thanks a lot anons! I seriously appreciate how helpful this place is for newbies who need recs. This should keep me busy for a while. Thanks again!
Henry Scott
For the new stuff, I'd recommend:
Cass: Batman and Robin Eternal (controversial, but it does contain some really standout issues, and it's her new origin for the n52/Rebirth)
Steph: Batman Eternal (her new origin)
Catwoman: Inheritance by Genevieve Valentine (who also wrote a great Steph issue in Batman and Robin Eternal)
Batgirl: Mindfields by Stewart, Fletcher, and Tarr
For both of them, Detective Comics 934-981, by James Tynion IV. Cass also was a main character in Tec 983-987 by Bryan Hill
Gavin James
Oooh nice. This would be a good continuation once I get a hang of their characters. Thanks! I gotta leave now but I got the thread saved in case anyone else wants to leave more recs. I truly appreciate all you helpful anons! Thanks!
Lucas Lee
I loved the Tynion Tec run. Not perfect, definitely, but really fun. And while Steph got some inconsistent issues, 980 pretty much made up for it in my book.
Easton Davis
Yeah, I don't know anything about the character. Maybe Diana's younger cousin or something in Greek hoplite armour. 3 blondes on a team would get confusing.
Tyler Carter
I wish we could have a Cass/Steph comic. They play off of each other so well.
Luis Carter
Yes, throw Cassie in there. I want to drown in cute blonde girls.
Cameron Peterson
Donna isn't blonde. I do like the idea of flipping the genders, but sadly, there's not very many male figures who would work well with Steph and Kara who would fill the Wonder Woman role.
Dylan Evans
But that'd make fans happy, and we can't have that.
Hunter Young
Would it involve shipping?
Levi Harris
It's possible.
Connor Flores
>3 blondes
I meant Steph, Kara and Cassie there.
Jason James
Such pure shipping?
Jose Baker
I think it'd be a pretty interesting black label (I think that's their new elseworlds) if they decided to do a short duo series with the two.
probably call it something like "blackbat and spoiler" or something to that effect.
Of course I don't know if they're actually popular enough to warrant something like that, but it doesn't hurt to wish for it.
Julian Price
Cass and Steph are more popular than a lot of the shit DC shovels out, like continual Hawkman reboots or trying to make Cyborg stick for the fiftieth time. The only problem they have is that the higher-ups don't care about them.
Adrian Nguyen
Babs isn't doing significantly better. I personally wish DC would get out of its own ass and publish a Batgirl Inc or League of Batgirls and get all three fanbases.
Robert Bailey
I'm hoping that Cass being in the Birds of Prey movie will make DC finally have to do something serious with the character.
But they'll probably just put her on a team with Harley and I'll be sad.
Jack Roberts
We'll have to see. I was hoping that Young Justice cartoon would push Steph a bit more, but so far, just background. :(
Jacob Robinson
Yeah, I feel kind of bad for Steph fans since they thought she would be a main character, and instead she seems to be just another very minor one.
Ryan Williams
She is great
William Phillips
For Batman & Robin Eternal I'd just put in #1-2, 6-7, and 13-14.
It's the only portions that are entertaining for Cass in that. Surprisingly I'd put #23 or #24 for Steph because her talking down to Crane then actually besting a few Orphans by herself was actually really damn good.
Bentley King
Wasn't there a story similar to that already? Or am i mis-remembering that?
Wyatt Hill
There was a story in Future's End where Babs was a huge Bane-lite and had Cass, Steph, and Tiffany Fox as Batgirls.
Gabriel Cooper
Nice! Thanks!
Evan Robinson
aw yeah that must be it, thanks.
Landon Moore
bump
Jonathan Hill
Jeremiah Diaz
Steph fills the suit nicely.
Ayden Clark
Why else do you think Tim has a fetish for open masked Batgirl costumes? He only likes blondes and Asians in them though.
Isaac Hernandez
Grayson Scott
Cute.
Nicholas Long
Anthony Thompson
Leo Bailey
Connor Flores
Daniel King
For Cass, yes, that's true, though you'd want to read 26 to find out how it ends.
I liked a lot of BRE, but for Steph, the best stuff is 2-3 (4 is horrible for her), and 23-25.
Jeremiah Turner
Some of the best Spoiler art in the past 5 years (since she returned).
Caleb Howard
Logan Campbell
Jason Johnson
But the art is so awful during the climax of Mother vs. the Robins and then vs. Cass.
Chase Howard
Jack Lee
honestly the art when steph first donned spoiler in batman eternal is just amazing desu
Carson Adams
Leo Perry
The art is bad. But I think you still would want to know how it all ended up.
Adam Lee
Emanuel Simeoni is a really great artist. Wish he got more high profile work.
Luke Diaz
same, it sucks he hasn't done anything for rebirth (or much of anything recently)
Joseph Kelly
My favorite batgirl, her and Barbra as Oracle together was perfect.
Matthew Gutierrez
These two are just adorable together.
Dylan Wood
Parker Nelson
god barbara was so good as oracle, shame she was set back. How is the current batgirl run?
Ethan Gomez
1-24 were pretty limp. 25-present have been better in tone and characterization, but I think the writer has difficulty plotting so that Babs doesn't look kinda incompetent losing to the same guy until the final issue of the arc, where someone else kills him.
Landon Adams
yes they are
James Johnson
hmm, alright. I guess i'll give 25-up a shot and see if its worth getting back into.
Jaxon Anderson
I warn you - I think 25 is really good, but it was dramatically destroyed in terms of future potential by the shit that's going on in Nightwing.
Jayden Miller
Nah, permanent gap since she had a kid
James Mitchell
Jaxon Sullivan
Josiah Bennett
Ian Sullivan
Zachary Evans
Cooper Kelly
Brayden Martin
bump
Luke Harris