Now that the dust has settled, was it that bad?

Yeah I’d be fine with him being bi all of a sudden cause at least it doesn’t just shit on all his past romantic relationships. How did they even explain his past relationships with women?

A lot of gay men have had relationships with women before they figure their shit out.

>This Ice fag is from the past
>Except not really because current Icefag has no memory of this shit
>This doesnt cause paradox shenanigan for some reason
>Pastfag is now gay apparently
>This affects currentfag for some reason

I dont read Xmen because how retarded it gets, do they ever address this point

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>Barely any new Iceman porn
it could have been better

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>thinking they'd even make the attempt to explain their shit decision

Yeah especially when they're from homophobic places. Do people here think all gays are glitter farting divas from birth

I think it was a good change in the long run, if just for the memes that came from it. Our shitposts have been better than most X-Men stories as of late, especially the current Uncanny/AoXM run.

The biggest downside. Honestly, comic porn has been pretty weak across the board. Unless you're a Spider-Man character, Gwenpool or Kamala, you get scraps.

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Making Bobby gay doesn't magically make him an interesting character. X-Men are already faced with prejudice

You know, if you think about it, Bobby purposefully let himself be mindwiped back into the closet on the slight gamble that not doing so would butterfly effect a...let's be honest, fairly shit, future away

Nah, it just sounds like someone who loves cock got caught

AU where Gay Bobby stops House of M, Civil War, AvX and Secret Wars when?

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Instead Bobby just became a glitter farting diva overnight.

It gave us some pretty hot edits. My favorite is the one of Jean jacking off the guy with an onahole.

>Icy Blowjobs on infinite earths

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Yes, most fags are obvious af even in homophobic places which is how rumours about them start

The entire trend of making established characters gay for social media good boy points is bad. Jean being a brain raping sociopath with no regard for the physical or mental well being of those around her is par for the course.

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>he really thinks this
Kek.

>was it that bad?
This was worse

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With the cancellation of Iceman V2, they repackaged what would have been issue #7 as an Uncanny X-Men special this week.

Asshole Sina Grace at least TRIES to address the ramificatons of what Jean did to Bobby by having adult Jean apologize to Bobby and outright canonizing that Jean outed Bobby without his permission or consent. Sadly, Bobby forgave Jean after a half-assed chewing her out for outing him without permission or consent.

Which is the closest we'll get to Marvel addressing the bullshit of making Bobby gay, outside having Bobby knock up Kitty Pryde so Bobby gets to be a dad and wins the prize of being the guy who bred Kitty and put a baby in her.

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Thank god I stopped reading xmen and spiderman and nearly all of marvel

i don't like any of this goddamned shit
this shit reads like the worst episodes of trashy as fuck 90's tvshows for stupid bored girls from the suburbs

That reminds me, they really need to follow up on the brainwashing angle with Kitty accusing Jean of brainwashing Bobby.

Kitty and Jean have pretty much never had any real interaction EVER, since Kitty was only an active X-Man when Jean was dead or retired. Not to mention Kitty's friendship with Emma, who could find out what happened and pretty much plant the seed with the entire X-Men that Jean brainwashed Bobby gay because she was angry he was the only founding X-Man who didn't want to fuck her.

It was hot

They'd never sacrifice Kitty to fix Bobby.

Though it would be perfect justice/revenge to have Bendis's Jewish Mary Sue explicitly undo one of his final fuck yous to Marvel fans.

>one of his final fuck yous to Marvel fans
Since when was Iceman this super popular character? also being gay isn't that bad, Wanda and Pym got ruined way worse and they're fans don't whine about it as much

Iceman was popular, was on Spider-Man's TV show (making him the first X-Man to get a cartoon/TV presence) and he was the only founding X-Man not to be turned evil or corrupted or turn into an asshole supreme in terms of being a bro-tier hero fans liked.

Bendis didn't ruin Pym. If anything, he went out of the way to explicitly show everyone who hated Pym to be assholes who deserve to have horrible things happen to them.

Bendis canonized that Pym is a reverse Batman in that his soul is so pure and good that any Skrull who had it uploaded into his head went good and turned on the Skrull Queen.

He also full on absolved Hank of his involvement of Civil War, whereas Reed and Tony were not given a get out of jail card for their evil deeds.

Finally, he showed that if you kill Hank before he creates Ultron, then Earth turns into a literal hell without Hank in it

>also being gay isn't that bad
There was and is controversy over Marvel specifically sacrificing established characters to push identity politics for sales. You can sacrifice established characters, you can push your politics if you really believe in them and have a story to tell but the combination being so obviously a cash grab soured a large portion of the fanbase and their was an out cry from the fans. Then right in the middle of it Bendis turns Iceman into a queer caricature.
It's not that Bobby being gay is bad, it's how the whole thing was a horrid doubling down on a horrid business model.

Is that oldfag mad that he is gay now or what?

Still it's better than being a baby crazy genocidal maniac or a serial wife-beater

Pym was a chick skrull who technically raped tygra by deception and knocked her up
that creepy as fuck grossness is still canon now

no one likes to bring any of that shit up and tygra as well as that horrifying crotch spawn are forever banished to the shadowzone.

the fuck you on about, Bendis shit on Pym every chance he god. Every time Pym showed up in a book Bendis was writing he had everyone attack him for hitting Jan. What kind of revisionist history are you pushing here?

Been wondering that too, user. If they were just from alternative worlds, one gay, the other not, I wouldn't even have minded. Altering time to make someone gay just feels weird.

Oh Bobby

>Making a gay character isn't a problem
But people do complain about gay characters that were meant to be gay from the start though?

Yes , the only good thing that came from this is the meme and the fact that we had Lobdell saying "I'm not Bendis"

There's a flashback scene in one of the 80s Claremont issues where it shows Jean first arriving at the school and whilst the rest of the group is staring at the window and mentally jerking off, Bobby literally goes "Pfft, a girl. So what?"
tl;dr Iceman has always been gay

The issue was more of the stupid way it was handled and how his excuse literally was "oh I couldn't admit I was gay because I was a mutant and I couldn't handle being two oppressed minorities nor could I even tell my nearest, dearest friends about it for a decade, even when I knew other open gay mutants!!"

I think his parents explaiend it best

Depends, really.
Few people complain about badass gay characters with compelling stories.
But if you have an angry young writer yell at you how you should better be okay with their gay character, you entitled troglodyte manbaby incel etc that will turn negative attention to the character for sure.

this is correct. I've never met anyone who hates on Midnighter or Apollo, for example.

Its not random. bobby kissed Kitty few months before. Bendis hates that and did a big "Fuck you " to Bobby. No one messes up with Bendis waifu.

Or herk you know before they straightified him. Because god forbid your sexist villian also be gay.

this is the best edit ever

the CLOSET is a thing

X-Men = shit and gay, except Emma Frost

>Gay/bi Bobby sleeps with all of the Avengers to stop AvX
>Fucks the entire royal family in IvX, convinces Blackbolt to help them
>His ass is so good, it re-rewrites Steve and frees him from Hydra

Wtf, I love Iceman now.

>I didn’t like how he randomly picked Bobby to be gay
Iceman being gay was something fans have speculated long time ago. It wasn't random.

He’s a cute twink

>whereas Reed and Tony were not given a get out of jail card for their evil deeds
Except Tony just did a hard reset of his brain during Dark Reign and all was forgiven after that.

>shit on all his past romantic relationships.
Let's take a look at his "significant" relationships:
-Kitty, which was a trainwreck
-that asian chick who nobody cares
-Cloud (who could change into a man)
-Mystique (who can change into a man)

Yes. Even *if* we ignore the idea that a teenage fujo with poor impulse control mind controlled him gay because he wasn't attracted to her the simple fact is that outing someone without their consent is arsehole behaviour of the highest order.

The issue where Iceman took Rogue as his beard to meet his homophobe and racist dad.

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Iceman was a vocal homphobic for years before that. You can't say he wasn't only in denial.

Also, no one cares enough about Iceman.

This is hilarious

Wow Bobby time tonight.
>I did too Jubilee. Hey check this out

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That's so beautiful Bobby
>Thanks when I'm with you I feel like my brain is more free. Like I'm in control

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Hey Bobby
>H-hey Jean
Still having those nightmares?
>Yeah sometimes I wake up in a cold sweat at night.
How was your date with Jubilee last night?
>Really great actually
You sure
>Actually, I can't remember much. Must not have had that good of a time
Scott "hey what are you guys talking about it?
Jean "oh nothing Scott, just a little girl talk."
>Y-yeah, your funny Jean

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Is that what happened though? Isn't it more like Jean just figured it out?

Some time later
>Wow Mr. McCoy, your so smart and muscular. Do you think we could have more one on one session to boost up my core strength?

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Did Family Guy predict this?

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Making Bobby bi wouldn't have been different enough. Full gay is the only gay that counts.

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It's a shame that they missed out on all those Bi-ceman puns the media could have made.

Exactly this. That scene is representative of how there wasn't enough thought being done by either Bendis or Marvel editorial. At a minimum Older Bobby could've been the one to be out of the closet, which would make his younger self think about coming out earlier. Having young Bobby outed by young Jean raises more questions like why would that even affect older Bobby if he doesn't even remember anything from the past?

I don't really believe that. I actually saw more hostility to it from people who were part of the LGBT movement. I remembered complaints about bi-erasure. On top of that I'm not convinced the Iceman comic sold well enough to justify all of it.

Kek

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If I was Jean I'd make Wolverine and Cyclops fuck each other

>Invalidating 50+ years of a character and snowballing into the current stories that have ruined the character leaving barely anything resembling who he was.
Yea still bad. If they were gonna do anything with his sexuality, it should have been revealing he’s bisexual

>I remembered complaints about bi-erasure
The queers vs. bi arguments in the LGBTBBQ community will always be funny to me. You hear the gayest people you've ever seen make the same arguments as the most homophobic conservatives and the irony is totally lost on them.

Well that’s what happens when they put him in the hands of a glitter farting diva of a writer whose main goal seems to be making Bobby into his avatar

>implying they haven't already

Yes. Even if you don't think Jean brainwashed him, it was basically the worst possible way to have it executed.

She totally brainwashed him though.

Is that why absolutely nobody bought Fag Iceman?

Fagman was cancelled, twice

This is great! How have I not seen this one before?

“Everyone”? Who’s “everyone”?
Nobody but sadsack oldschool pieces of shit fans like us even actually buys and reads comics anymore you stupid jackass. It’s why the Big Two industry is falling apart, they can’t justify their existence to their current owners based on operating expenses.

Hypothetically if Iceman were to cum inside a dude's butt would it freeze them from the inside out?

Good idea, it's been hinted for years. Really bad execution.

I wish Iceman went back to his slutty speedo and boots costume

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>dude ur gay
>w-wha-
>listen to me man ur gay btw I'm a psychic
>"bravo nolan scene of the year goat lbgt representation"

It's even worse than many people can really comprehend. If it's this easy to completely change a character on a whim, then there is no value in any character, and perhaps there never was to begin with.

>Sadly, Bobby forgave Jean
Young Bobby forgave Jean in the same Bendis issue that she "outed" him. Old Bobby forgave Jean in the next Bendis issue. It's something that Marvel wanted to set and forget aside from getting praised for it.

It was just such a classic example of missing the point. It was lazy, it was token and it was insulting to not only straight people but gay people as well. "Oh here's a bs reason to give you a gay x-man. Nevermind the whole pile of other gay x-men we could develop."

It was done so Bendis could put a feather in his own ass.

This is bullshit if any homo x men got pushed you fags would be crying about tokenism and SJW taking over comics

I think a lot of people would be happy to see Anole make the big league and people really like Mariko from exiles.

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And now you know why Superhero Comics suck.

Making Bobby gay was handled more hamhanded than when Northstar was made an elf.

Ironically an actual gay character would call less attention to being gay than a character who gets turned gay. Once Iceman was outed that's all the character was allowed to talk about. Compared to say, Anole again, when he was outed everyone was basically "Yeah that's cool, whatever" and then everyone got distracted by getting new uniforms. Anole didn't become THE GAY, he was Santo's bro who just happened to be gay.

>it wasn't randomly, for no reason.
youtube.com/watch?v=osGkiKrnczE

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Not really, for example Wiccan always get bashed

We all know he was only "straight" for so long because Xavier hated having his gay thoughts around the mansion.

That's because Wiccan sucks.

I love these edits

This nigga.

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Truth.

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>gay hack writer sinks a book with sales getting plummeting by the issue
Let’s give him another shot with a mini
>mini barely does better than the end of ongoing
>Maybe we should give him another go with a one-shot

If it didn’t work the first 2 times, why would you try a third? How the Hell did Sina Grace get work with the same character when people made it clear no one was interested?

In an interview he claimed that Trade sales where much bigger than expected so they gave him another shot.

I can understand people being mad, since we've gotten such a glut of virtue signalling characters. But one of the main criticisms of the legacy heroes was them being diversity hires AND taking the place of other characters.

A few people might be upset about Northstar getting his own mini. There will always be a group that will hate anything LGBT. But established fans of his would be happy, and he'd avoid falling into the main trappings that made so many other pushed characters so reviled.

Yes, but that's because Wiccan's a little bitch.

Agreed with everything but Hulkling. Hulkling is Meh at minimum.

I'm willing to bet that was to save face, because I don't remember Nadia getting strong trades, non-pornographic attention from the fandom or any recognition. Her solo is taking worse than Iceman's.

I'm willing to bet that it's like a Gail Simone situation. Like how her Domino was lukewarm, so they cancelled it and then immediately announced the Daughters of the Dragon mini.

They should just get Anka and Dauterman to draw a male only champions with lots of homobait

I'm waiting to see what the book sales are on the 2018 Bookscan list, which haven't been posted yet. I didn't see Iceman on Comichron's year-end list, though, which means the year's combined preorders from retailers would've been less than 1,403.

Jean used her psychic powers to make Bobby gay because she thought he should be.

Jean a cute here though

Reminds me of that one Scrubs character.

Based Jean. Wished he made him into a fapbait male character too

Sadly, I've got an entire folder full. Have another.

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Like in everything except Back to the Future, time travel is a mistake.

>Gay/bi Bobby sleeps with all of the Avengers to stop AvX
>Fucks the entire royal family in IvX, convinces Blackbolt to help them
>His ass is so good, it re-rewrites Steve and frees him from Hydra
See if porn comics had ridiculous story-lines line that they might be worth a damn. But they don't, so they aren't.

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My two biggest problems with the gay shit is that first off it's just terrible and should have never happened and the editors needed to put their feet down and tell Bendis no, and the fact that after the Gay "revelation" every other character arc for Bobby is gone.

Like Future Bobby always being in Ice Form and treating his body like a swappable puppet (possessing golems) is his worst nightmares come true but nope let's have Sina Grace trash the character in 2 shitty solo series. I'm hoping when Disney does a movie they make him straight and Bobby gets converted to Bi and then slowly pushed to going only for women.

Also I miss Bobby and Raven in the various X-Men miniseries. Kill or Cure was fuckin great and stuff like that will never happen again because now everyone is writing him like a sassy stereotype.

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Wiccan's porn makes him worthwile

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Yes. Out of 8 panels, only half of them are unique. The rest are just copy pastes

What's Hyrda?

Tumblr thinks everyone is gay. They think any two male friends must be gay for each other.

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found the bendis post

>everything I don't like is Bendis/tumblr

Odd how there is never a confused gay person who discovers that they're actually straight. Lets just ignore this though and focus on YOU HATE THAT WE MADE THEM GAY?! YOU'RE HOMOPHOBIC

True. Thank fuck Cris-art is obsessed with AUs and scenarios, because he's covering a ton of my favorite kinks and positions.

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>Odd how there is never a confused gay person who discovers that they're actually straight.
It's not that odd if you acknowledge that society encourages you to be straight and that being gay is something you have to take a risk in trying out, if not because of social repercussions then because of how rare other gay people are to experiment with. But if you don't want to do that because you're scared of sounding like an "SJW" then sure you can find obvious shit odd and look like a dumbass what the fuck do I care.

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Wouldn’t a telepath know more than anyone that sexuality can be fluid

found the faggot

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Sure, except this is comic books and we could literally see Bobby's thoughts about the women he genuinely cared for.

I haven't felt encouraged to be straight since I was 14, you'd be lying to yourself and to others if you claimed to not see the change. It's hip to be anything but straight right now and completely fine encouraging shit like this.
youtube.com/watch?v=sEflH-gkvas

There is legitimately a great story here.
Needs to be in Marvel MAX line.

>Ice Man was always a playboy
Lmao, wasn't he always getting cucked by Havok

Wow xmen is really a load of shit these days

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Shut up faggot kek

No, see, I base my views on real life, not whatever YouTube video /pol/ shows you.
>I haven't felt encouraged to be straight since I was 14
Bro don't set yourself up as an incel joke like that, it's too easy.

Lol I googled that video dude, you sound absolutely delusional. I presented you with something disturbing and all you can do is sling a buzzword. Pretty sad tbqh.

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90% of the writers ARE shit.

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Not him but I seriously doubt that is the norm. Like didn't a gay kid get bullied to death last year

How can one man be this correct?

It's the fact that it's being encouraged. Children are impressionable, so taking them to a festival that's meant to celebrate sex (hence the prominence of mostly naked men) is maximum burger.

>Hank's face is like, "This counts as sexual harassment right?"

Do you have access to her old stuff? I promise to upload her shit from patreon on /y/ (after finals) but the bitch has refused to upload to her patreon and I have no access to pillowfort.

You can like or hate Grace, but honestly the worst thing that Bendis did about deciding Bobby was gay was the fact that Jean outed him without his consent.
No conversation between them about how Bobby has been feeling weird since they came to the future or anything, just Jean mindraping him and spilling his inner most concerns.
I'm not upset about Bobby being gay, it's the most relevance he's had in something like fifteen years but the execution was appalling for a move that was supposed to be "progressive".

I'm sorry user but you sound clueless, you need to learn to learn about life from actual life and not the internet.

Just some of her work that was posted to her Tumblr before the purge. Remind me to put them up on /y/ or something.

X23 fucking sucks.

Aside from his porn I think Wiccan is a cool character, I wish he and Hulkling were in something right now

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I live close to boystown in Chicago, you might want to slither out from under that rock every now and then amigo.

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too much of a lazy shit to make one but i feel like it really needs an edit referencing this

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>b-b-b-but i live in a place!!!
Sad when people resort to qualifiers of where they are and not what they do.

What the ghetto fuck even is that?

look up at the sky

If you can't understand what living in said vicinity means contextually then you truly are spectrumed.