So, what would you have done differently?

Who'd she hurt? Some Kree? Who gives a shit?

Like who

Simple:

bathing suit in outer space!

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Tell me all the Starforce wear them.

She-Hulk

Have her inspiration be the original comic Mar-Vell, who in his dying breaths entrusts her with the title of captain marvel. “But wait, captain marvel has never been a girl before” says the rest of the Kree with disdain. Have her question whether or not she is worthy of the title of her idol and slowly learn to live with the responsibility given to her.

More focus on the kree empire and their training. Less adventures on earth and more in space. Cut out most the gurl power scenes and nostalgia pandering. Tighter editing to improve pacing and make it less confusing. Also remove the tesseract as the source of her power and instead make it a generic explosion of kree powers

Just have it be a regular origin movie set in 2020 after the Thanos incident, don't make it a prequel that tries to tie in the first arc and don't include it in Infinity War/Endgame

Focus either on Carol's relationship with the Kree or focus on her background on Earth. Trying to do both made both fall flat and made me care about neither, which I think is a big part of why Carol came off so hollow. The amnesia stuff just further complicated everything and not in a good way.

Have the original flashbacks been manipulated so that Carol thinks she's always been with the Kree, but Earth stuff starts leaking through.
Have Minnerva on Earth with Carol and constantly trying to pull her back to the Kree, but Carol wants to investigate her visions. Have the film play out, and it seems like Minnerva is on Carol's side, until they get on the Skrull ship where it's revealed she called the rest of the Kree to slaughter them.

Replace Carol killing a bunch of CGI Ships with her fighting Ronan on the deck of their ship with it causing so much damage they have to retreat.

>make a court drama movie featuring she hulk.
>some mutant is being accused of killing someone.
>she hulk is prosecutor, Matt Murdock is defence attorney.
>she hulk is convinced the mutant is guilty and Matt is some mob lawyer.
>she investigates on her own and runs into daredevil.
>turns out the mutant didn’t do shit, and she hulk teamed with daredevil have to find the culprit
Seems fun:

Mind wipe Shield and their records so it doesn’t contradict Avengers 1 statement that they discovered Aliens just a year before and instead of going away to fight the Kree (which she ignored during GOTG) have her in outspace fighting enemies from the outer solar system, like Sailor Moon did to introduce Uranus and Neptune

This, and have Carol reveal the Kree manipulation to give Ronan that spark of doubt that made him ultimately turn against the Empire.

Justa Girl -> diegetic Pretty Hate Machine song from the jukebox
Otherwise, nothing, it was perfect.

I would’ve gone out of my way to give her a clear arc. She, nor anyone else in the movie, really goes through any changes. Yeah she gains her memory back, but she still seems like the exact same person at the start of the movie except working on a different side.

They should’ve made both sides evil instead of the skrulls being innocent refugees

They shouldn't have made either side evil, just rival aggressive expansionist empires that both want Earth as a strategic foothold. You know, like the fucking comics.

It could make a nice tie into Secret Invasion. Have Carol suddenly get rocked by seeing Skrull can be just as ruthless and having her faith and trust tested.

I'd change her characterization in the first half of the movie so she acts like a terminator mixed with an autistic Buzz Lightyear / Drax. Very prideful, stoic, and no nonsense until she arrives on Earth, and her memories start slowly coming back to her - her personality would change as well as she actually becomes emotional.

>Oooh shapeshifting alien invasion, which of your favorite franchise characters can't you trust???
Fuck off Bendis, Secret Invasion was shit.

That definitely would have helped, her being a smug quipster from the get-go sucked a lot of the impact from the revelation of her past life. We also just just didn't really get to see her react to and process it properly.

Hey I'm not saying I liked Secret Invasion, I'm just saying with Skrull in the MCU there's a chance of it happening now.

>HARD MODE: No recasting Brie Larson.
That is literally the main issue as she is a cunt without any acting chops.

>Show Suprmeme Intellegents true form

... why? How is a giant head in an aquarium less interesting than the mental ghost who uses the person you most admire to control and manipulate you?

>except working on a different side.
That's called an arc. You know how you believe one thing, and then you change and believe in something else? That's what that's called.

I would use that to set her up against the Kree. They suppress her humanity to make her "function", she breaks conditioning, initially collapses under the monstrosity of what she did for them, but then goes humanity fuck yeah on them.

>So, what would you have done differently?

Not made a Carol movie.

>So, what would you have done differently?

Make a movie about some other character entirely instead of this virtue-signaling piece of trash that nobody likes, nobody asked for, and who has never sold 20k copies of a single comic because she's profoundly unlikable to the core of her being.

Mad.

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Could you say there was any personal growth? I don’t think so. She switched sides because she regained her memories, not because she learned anything.

except the Skrull were originally a mercantile race that believed in uplifting other races and practiced free trade. Then they made the mistake of trusting the Kree, who betrayed them, stole their technology, and then used it to wage war against them for thousands of years. The Skrulls were forced to become militaristic and thus became warmongers themselves.

this movie is more or less the same, because "the people victimized by imperialists becoming imperialists themselves" isn't exactly a good tack to take these days

Different user here, but the memory loss and brainwashing deafened the impact of that to me. If the movie had radically changed her origin and made her a Kree soldier from the start, whereupon she goes MIA in a mission and learns how ruthless the Kree are and that the Skrulls aren't boogeymen, that would be cool... but the movie is more about her finding out who is she was on Earth and that the Kree are responsible for covering it up and manipulating her. The Kree/Skrull stuff starts to feel secondary at that point, and even the brainwashing stuff isn't given the attention it should have been IMO. I think the setup as presented in the movie would have made for a better psychological thriller cause as a straight up action movie the film didn't have enough time to explore the psychological effects of everything that happened to Carol. It was an interesting attempt to try for something outside the normal box of the MCU, but it just failed to come together for me.

she switched sides because she discovered what mattered to her, and rediscovered the values she had before she was transformed into their indoctrinated soldier. A character's journey doesn't have to be about fixing something that's wrong with them at their core.

Like, look at Captain America. The only thing that changes about him is that he has muscles now. He begins and ends The First Avenger with the same values he always had, he just now has the power to take action. Skinny Steve Rogers would have sacrificed himself piloting that Hydra ship same as Buff Steve Rogers would.

Bring back Carol’s struggle with alcoholism, and actually make her aftlraid of her own power at the start of the movie. Furthermore, Skrulls are just as asshole-ish as Kree, Carol just tells both to get the fuck off Earth

Mugga I've read Englehart's Avengers, I know the backstory he wrote there and the different account he provided later in Silver Surfer. However both of those accounts were retcons and neither have ever really been relevant to the Skrulls as writ. ORIGINALLY the Skrulls as created by Stan and Jack were a race of infiltrators that wanted to conquer Earth just because. A few years later the Kree are created and the rationale for both empires' interest Earth becomes a strategic location for their war. The Skrulls as a whole have never been written as fundamentally good guys outside of that one story, which Englehart himself contested when he retconned their entire race as being the Deviants of their planet.

Memory loss was a core part of her original stories, and despite the gender change they more or less kept Mar Vell's role in her origin per the comics. The best thing they actually changed was having her cause the explosion, giving her agency in her own origin. If she's a Kree from the start, she just IS Mar Vell.

I can see wanting something different, but I like the nods of the original books.

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He's right tho

yes, but Marvel has to pick and choose what to adapt when adapting things, and to be fucking honest, the twist being "the handsome mostly human space conquerors are just as evil as the space reptiles" is a pretty weak fucking twist and adds nothing to the narrative if Carol isn't making a stand for people in trouble. Confusing the narrative with "they're both awful, humanity is the one that needs protecting" runs into the problem of making another Earth centric story and affords lesser opportunities to 1) tie Mar-Vell's actions to the overall plot, and 2) takes less focus off of the Kree's status as colonialists and imperialists who manipulate information and loyalties for the sake of demonizing those who oppose them

What we got was much more satisfying than another bog standard "evil vs. evil" story and y'all are just mad you don't get to have an evil Super Skrull and Secret Empire adaptation now

Cast someone charismatic and not ugly

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I got the reference and appareciated it, and overall I didn't mind what they did with Mar-Vell, it was about what I expected from reducing him to a supporting character in Carol's origin (I do wish she'd been the one to give Carol the blood transfusion and at least gotten a cool fight scene with Yon-Rogg in her Kree uniform.) Regardless, I still felt the movie just felt very muddled. There was just so much stuff going on, her relationship with her family, with Maria, with Mar-Vell, with Yon-Rogg, the Kree-Skrull war, the memory loss, and of course the need to be a quippy action movie. There was a lot of interesting stuff but none of it got enough focus IMO. I'm really not sure how they could have done it better without making it half an hour longer or radically changing the plot entirely.

I do wonder if it might have been better to essentially split it in two, with one film about her adventures with the Kree and one about her coming back to Earth. But that was probably deemed impossible due to the need to quickly and neatly tie into Infinity War.

I would stay with Brie Larson and make a contract that she would have to be fitness for the role
And in this contract she would have a line of conduct to follow
I would do a simple script with Carol Danvers flying scenes in the Grumman F-14

I would do a epic space battle scenes between Krees and Skrulls at the beginning of the movie
It would make Skrulls very agile and fast physically
All without being too thin and made in CG
Except for Super Skrull
Captain Marvel would be a character who would always have a smile on his face, no matter the diversity
And it would make Nick Fury lose his eye because he trusted someone
This could be his wife a Skrull agent

>I do wonder if it might have been better to essentially split it in two, with one film about her adventures with the Kree and one about her coming back to Earth. But that was probably deemed impossible due to the need to quickly and neatly tie into Infinity War.
Yeah, hopefully the next movie will let theme breath a bit more.

>Kept the original draft where Mar-Vell was a man and not screwed with the character to the point that it might as well not even be Mar-Vell. He’s a significant character in Carol’s history. Don’t fuck with those aspects of an origin

>Had that these Skrulls were just one sect of the race who were simply looking for a peaceful home. Making that all the Skrulls are just misunderstood screws up the grey on grey morality the 2 races have as a dynamic

>Feature Carol’s time with the team more that way when the truth is revealed, it resonates better

>Have Fury Lise his eye in the battle, possibly by the actions/result of a Skrull who is more self serving than peaceful so it matches to Fury’s statement back in Winter Soldier

>Not have Fury get the name Avenger from Carol. That felt completely forced considering nothing in the movie pointed towards her being called Avenger until that scene

Sorry, I think making the war black and white and the Skrulls inherently good guys for the sake of a twist is much more cliche. The movie wasn't even really about Carol standing up for the Skrulls, it was about her finding herself again protecting Earth; the Skrull was just a side effect and sequel hook. Having her be misled by both sides and finding out that both sides are shitty resulting in her wanting to keep that shit away from Earth would have been a much more satisfying commentary on imperialism that ties into Fury's involvement in the Cold War as a spy. You don't have to make either side "evil to do that.

It's Secret Invasion by the way, and no, I don't want it because it's a shitty fucking event.

True, but some of my favorite super hero stories are ones that feature more character growth. This is a thread for what we’d all personally change about it after all

>Having her be misled by both sides and finding out that both sides are shitty resulting in her wanting to keep that shit away from Earth would have been a much more satisfying commentary on imperialism that ties into Fury's involvement in the Cold War as a spy.

so your story about fighting imperialism ends up making a case for fucking xenophobia on our part. BRILLIANT.

>HARD MODE: No recasting Brie Larson.
Rogue absorbs Ms. Marvel's powers, putting her into a coma.
15 minutes is spent on Danver and the rest of the run-time is about Rogue

Wanting to keep antagonistic empires from interfering with the development of our world for their own reasons is not xenophobic you ignoramus, that was the whole situation with the fucking cold war. And as I've said at least twice now, you don't have to make either side or their conflict morally simplistic to do that.

>>Kept the original draft where Mar-Vell was a man and not screwed with the character to the point that it might as well not even be Mar-Vell. He’s a significant character in Carol’s history. Don’t fuck with those aspects of an origin

Mar-Vell is a person who makes a choice to oppose her own people in order to do what's right and defend another alien race, an act which ultimately leads to her losing her life, and her human identity's name is Lawson

Yeah, nah, she's still fundamentally Mar-Vell. She's just got a vagina instead of a dick

>Have Fury Lise his eye in the battle, possibly by the actions/result of a Skrull who is more self serving than peaceful so it matches to Fury’s statement back in Winter Soldier

Fury fucking lies to motivate people. He used Coulson's trading cards to push the Avengers into doing what he wanted even though they weren't on him when he died. Fury will say and do anything to get his point across, and this fits his character as we've seen it more than a fucking bad ass origin story where he loses his eye heroically

Fury is a manipulative asshole whose job is making you believe what he wants you to believe. He's just the good guys' manipulative asshole.

Simple, she thinks it was her powers that killed her mentor. She only later finds out it was the engine and it was what gave her powers. This sudden emergence being a possibility lays the groundwork for mutants.

>Wanting to keep antagonistic empires from interfering with the development of our world for their own reasons is not xenophobic you ignoramus, that was the whole situation with the fucking cold war.

You don't know fucking shit about the third war. We don't come out of that looking like our shit don't stink, we manipulated the hell out of other countries to keep Russia from getting allies or a foothold in other nations. The Cold War is all about our shitty imperialism!

Your approach to the story has both alien races in this story as bad, and humanity good. Think about the implications of that, genius.

Not much of a twist when the Kree were bad guys in other movies. Fucking what’s his face from GotG WAS RIGHT THERE

Add in Jessica of course.

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They need to stop grounding everything. Half the reason comics are enjoyable are because they’re wacky and ridiculous. It’s like putting Kang in the movies but it’s just a guy with a smily face on his t-shirt.

>Kang
I mean MODOK, but you get the point

>Your approach to the story has both alien races in this story as bad, and humanity good. Think about the implications of that, genius.
What the fuck are you on about? Implications?

>You don't know fucking shit about the third war. We don't come out of that looking like our shit don't stink, we manipulated the hell out of other countries to keep Russia from getting allies or a foothold in other nations. The Cold War is all about our shitty imperialism!
And what exactly do you think Russia was doing, jackass?
>Your approach to the story has both alien races in this story as bad, and humanity good. Think about the implications of that, genius.
I've already stated the implications of it, that Carol is defending her developing home from outside interference. You don't have to make either side evil to fucking do that, how many times do I have to say this shit? You can have Kree and Skrull characters that represent positive and negative traits, you can still have Mar-Vell and Talos trying to find a way to end the war, you can still have Caorl befriending and helping them without making the war black and white. Wanting to keep two competing empires from ruining your developing homeworld is not xenophobic.

that's the exact opposite of grounding something though. It makes the Supreme Intelligence more invasive and insidious, and more legitimately unknowable and creepy. The big head in a jar would just be another CGI muppet

But they're clearly writing around all the stuff that's been done with Kree in the MCU already, and they've lost interest in Earth completely aside from covering up the shit they did centuries and centuries ago. There's no room to do a story where they're interested in Earth. There's no real way to do that, leaving Skrulls as the victims of the Kree's imperialism as one of the few remaining options.

One word: UNIVERSAL

samefag

Something like that for the end would've been good. That she can't fully control her power and is more harm then good at the moment and flys away in the hopes to learn to control it. So Fury only calls her when the danger the earth faces outweights whatever disaster she could do by losing control. It would've neatly avoided all the fuckersy with "where was she during crisis no...".

>What we got was much more satisfying than another bog standard "evil vs. evil" story

You say that like there are a lot of "evil vs evil" stories in superhero movies, to the point of them being commonplace.

>But they're clearly writing around all the stuff that's been done with Kree in the MCU already, and they've lost interest in Earth completely aside from covering up the shit they did centuries and centuries ago. There's no room to do a story where they're interested in Earth
>There's no real way to do that
Gee, if only the MCU could somehow do a prequel film about Earth acquiring their first Cosmic superhero, a woman so powerful that she can destroy entire Kree warships single-handedly and send the rest of their fleet running with tails tucked.. man, that could be a really good way of explaining why the Kree are no longer interested in Earth.

Oh well, guess there's no way to do it.

You remember that part in Mulan, were she first goes off to do army stuff and basically sucks at it at first? But then she finds her resolve, looks at the problems through a different angle and gets good at it?

Basically that. Because that's a character arc. Show Carol as shitty at first and then when you make her awesome later it has more of an impact.

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>It’s less grounded to show a surreal alien AI as a regular human rather than something that looks actually alien
This is fucking moronic. It’s not like “IT APPEARS AS SOMEONE YOU KNOWWW” is particularly original. It comes across as more lazy than interesting. At the very least, I would have liked to see that it has a ‘true form’ that they plug themselves into to see their personalised versions from.
Everyone was happy to see Ego have a huge face in GOTG2. Don’t even try to deny you would’ve been disappointed if it was just a human looking dude who could control a planet.

Booze

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>HARD MODE: No recasting Brie Larson.
Kill her at the start and replace with another actress.

>Show Carol as shitty at first and then when you make her awesome later it has more of an impact.
But that would undermine her mary-sueness. All her problems should be caused by other people.

no, I mean, we already know why they don't give a fuck about Earth. The Inhuman project they started there didn't work out. They have tons of other worlds they already conquered or put obelisks on. They have no reason to come back to Earth again except to cover up their involvement, or something they're looking for is there. The Kree lost interest in our insignificant mudball ages ago.

>no, I mean, we already know why they don't give a fuck about Earth. The Inhuman project they started there didn't work out. They have tons of other worlds they already conquered or put obelisks on
What the fuck are you talking about? Is this some non-canon TV bullshit?

so what are your thoughts at Steve Rogers getting muscles and then running a sprint across new york city to catch an elite super spy all within the span of 10 minutes? Or how he does his first combat mission, against orders, and 100 % accomplishes his goals?

Why does Carol need to be the one to suck at first?

That actually sounds great, user.

>post credits scene where a hungover Carol shuffles through a whole apartment full of empty booze bottles to find her buzzing communicator, a framed photo and some brochures for the post snap therapy group left on one counter implying that she lost Monica in the snap and has fallen back into drinking

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your defeating your own argument because the kree come back in the bad future in AOS to try and breed more inhumans, that could have easily been the rationale for the captain marvel movie

Reminder that tv shows are one way canon, meaning NOTHING will ever be referenced in the movies

This was all on Agents of Shield, brah, and the movie makes a considerable amount of effort to write around it. The glyphs that were in Lawson's notes were from the same show, the movie explains how SHIELD would have Kree corpses to use in bringing back Coulson, the whole thing about how a Kree blood transfusion saved Carol's life is taken from that show as well, and the implant used to control Carol is the exact same kind as the one used on a character in the show's fifth season

See the fundamental flaw of Captain Marvel, besides casting, is that Carol never really faces any real problems with her powers. We're TOLD constantly that she struggles, and yet never see it.
user, the shows don't fucking matter. Get that out of your head.

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This is one of the reasons why Cap 1 is boring.

No, the Kree come back because our planet was almost completely destroyed and they took advantage of turning the remaining population into a slave force, and Inhumans only factored in when Kassius discovered he could use them for bread and circuses and sell them to the highest bidder. The only Kree who are really much interested in Earth otherwise are Kassius's father, not the empire as a whole

but they did. Like. NUMEROUS things, as explained here

We got at least a half hour of skinny Steve sucking at everything to the point were he wasn't even allowed to join the army. And any asshole can run. He wasn't Captain I shoot laser blasts.

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>See the fundamental flaw of Captain Marvel, besides casting, is that Carol never really faces any real problems with her powers. We're TOLD constantly that she struggles, and yet never see it.

Yon-Rogg literally kicks her ass in the first 10 minutes, then Talos does in the infiltration mission, and she gets her ass kicked again by the Starforce until she awakens her true powers against the Intelligence

>user, the shows don't fucking matter. Get that out of your head.

The movie literally has NUMEROUS THINGS FROM THE TV SHOW. Like. There's no comic precedent for Kree blood being used to heal people in the comics. They could have just said they used super science for why Carol was healed after her accident. That was a deliberate reference, on top of everything else I listed.

He gets buff and instantly he has the skill and dexterity and agility to control his new body immediately after getting it. He doesn't have to adjust to it at all. It's like they flipped a switch from "skinny nerd" to "swole".

Him conducting a perfect infiltration mission and saving everyone from a highly trained branch of the Nazi military is also pretty egregious

What part of "One Way Canon" don't you understand, you moron?
>"OH WOW THEY HAVE THE SAME ALPHABET! TOTALLY CONNECTED YOU GUYS!"
For fuck sake. There's a reason why the shows are never mentioned, because they don't want to alienate movie watchers who, naturally, didn't watch several seasons of a damn show. The shows write around the movies, that's it.
user a blood transfusion is hardly a fucking callback because oh wow, she lost blood, better give her some of mine. And get this, she didn't overcome hand to hand at all because she fucking relies on her powers just like she did in scene one. So no, she didn't progress from that.

>ITT one dumbass desperately tries to make the shows canon to the larger MCU

Have Carol be an unironic Cree jingoist for 70% of the film don't bother with a twist villain make it all very obvious, set way more in space fuck it send Fury to space! Have the film be buddy cops in the Cree empire instead of 90's America.

I saw it! I saw the movie! I gave Disney my money!!!

I don't give a fuck about the TV shows, the important thing here is that there was no good reason the Kree couldn't have a renewed interest in Earth in the movie. Especially not because of some fucking TV show. The Kree created the Inhumans in the comics but became interested in Earth again after the FF destroyed their Sentry and defeated Ronan. The whole point of Mar-Vell's mission was to investigate the threat level of Earth, and in EMH specifically to determine whether Earth was worthy enough to be annexed into the empire or dangerous enough to be destroyed to prevent the Skrulls from gaining a foothold.

Yeah you can get away with a lot when you have a likeable character.

they don't reference it in any way that would alienate people. But the same made up language, the same plot devices, the fact that Kree already know about, have been, and have already catalogued Earth, the same implant, used the same magic blood plot point, and made it so SHIELD would have an easy place to get dead Kree from shows a clear intent to show these things are in the same world without needing one thing to understand the other

>user a blood transfusion is hardly a fucking callback because oh wow, she lost blood, better give her some of mine.

... so why bring a blood transfusion into it at all? She's not hurt in a way that involved serious blood loss, and as two different species, they'd be completely incompatible with one another anyway. She was rendered catatonic and unresponsive, the blood transfusion thing only works to explain how she was healed after being brought to Hala.

Does she have any flaws or everything is other people's fault?

Perfect. I didn't know we'd get a good pitch this quickly.

That's literally the plot of Frozen. Also Team America: World Police.

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>they don't reference it in any way that would alienate people.
Nice goalpost move, jackass. And why bring in blood transfusion? Because they needed a bullshit excuse to make Carol age slow since her movie took place in the fucking 90s.

You really want to fight me on "I-Its canon guys!"? Fine. Then explain this; why in the fuck would they never address the Inhuman epidemic in the larger MCU? Hmm? Those Terragenesis fish pills seem like a pretty big deal. Kind of makes you think that, just maybe, the shows aren't meant to be considered at all when watching the movies. So if they can't ever be referenced, addressed, or have any impact on the larger MCU, then what's the damn point of calling it "canon" other than to slap a brand on the show and boost viewers?

You're missing the point. A character doesn't need to have negative traits about their personality to overcome, they only need to have problems and conflicts they need to work past.

Carol's problem is that she was trapped in a situation forced upon her by people who imposed their terms on her life, just as Steve's problems are due to his health (which is out of anyone's control) and because no one wants to give him a chance.

Carol's journey is about escaping the situation where she's being used. About deciding she doesn't need to deal with Yon-Rogg on his terms - at the end of the movie, he's still her better at hand to hand combat, and knows that's the only way he stands a chance at all of winning. Carol defeats him by showing she doesn't need to prove herself on those terms.

The fact that you're all saying Carol needs to "struggle" and that she's too talented show your priorities pretty fucking clearly. Carol struggles plenty, but it's with things that have nothing to do with how talented she is or isn't, it's about escaping a hold other people have on her. She doesn't need to be incompetent or a bad person to start off with for her story to matter anymore than Steve Rogers does.

carol molests Kamala Khan after getting fucking wasted.

>Nice goalpost move, jackass. And why bring in blood transfusion? Because they needed a bullshit excuse to make Carol age slow since her movie took place in the fucking 90s.

she already got turned into a fucking demigod by the Tesseract. That's unnecessary.

>You really want to fight me on "I-Its canon guys!"? Fine. Then explain this; why in the fuck would they never address the Inhuman epidemic in the larger MCU? Hmm? Those Terragenesis fish pills seem like a pretty big deal. Kind of makes you think that, just maybe, the shows aren't meant to be considered at all when watching the movies. So if they can't ever be referenced, addressed, or have any impact on the larger MCU, then what's the damn point of calling it "canon" other than to slap a brand on the show and boost viewers?

Vision literally talks about the growing number of enhanced individuals in Civil War. Nice try though.

But in all god damned fucking seriousness, they never obliquely referenced those things because of production overlap and other shit like that. The Russos talked about that; TV is produced on a much shorter time frame, while they were making Civil War as these things were being decided on and introduced on TV. They don't mention Inhumans overtly because there was no time to do so in any way that wasn't a broad reference.

Meanwhile, as far as Captain Marvel is concerned, these stories about what other things the Kree have been up to are several years old and well known to Fiege and the rest of the people overseeing this shit. We found out how Kree blood worked in two thousand fucking fifteen for christ's sake.

>she already got turned into a fucking demigod by the Tesseract. That's unnecessary.
That's not an argument. That wasn't one of Carol's powers.
>Vision literally talks about the growing number of enhanced individuals
And I knew you were going to say this. Guess what? HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FUCKING AVENGERS.

You can shove your headcanon up your ass

a half dozen people isn't what I'd call significant escalation, but sure, think what you want

especially when that room actually contained only TWO enhanced persons, Steve and Wanda

>A character doesn't need to have negative traits about their personality to overcome
It makes a character much better. Captain Marvel is written for millenials, the same millenials who outraged at Black Widow in Age of Ultron. They simply don't want a character that is too much flawed.
Also I don't like Steve Rogers.
>About deciding she doesn't need to deal with Yon-Rogg on his terms - at the end of the movie, he's still her better at hand to hand combat, and knows that's the only way he stands a chance at all of winning. Carol defeats him by showing she doesn't need to prove herself on those terms.
This is really feminist writing. "She doesn't need to prove herself". Lol.

>male Mar-Vell and his Starpatrol goons chase Skrull terrorists to Earth
>in the process, they accidentally make Carol crash
>Mar-Vell feels bad and rescues her, gives her the transfusion
>she has amnesia and he feels responsible, so he takes her under his wing and trains her as a starship pilot for his team
>WHAT A TWEEST: it turns out Mar-Vell has space cancer and instead of just training her to be a pilot, he was training her to be his replacement
>passes his powers on to Carol when he dies
>the Kree flip their shit, sowing the seeds of Carol's eventual departure
>Skrulls show up on Earth again, so Carol leads the team there to finish the job
>learns a lot about her old life and loosens up
>finds out that some Skrulls aren't assholes and that not all Kree are good guys
>also finds out that the Supreme Intelligence knows some Skrulls aren't assholes and doesn't care
>Mar-Vell knew this, too, and picked Carol to replace him because she didn't hold the prejudices of the Kree
>she kicks Kree ass and fights Ronan,
>he whips her ass up one side of the street and down the other
>she gets her "I'm almost beaten so let's remember wise words from a dead mentor" moment with Mar-Vell
>powers up and fights Ronan to a standstill
>she reveals the SI's manipulation to him, sowing doubt in the Accuser
>he fucks off with his tail between his legs
>Carol, now fully Captain Marvel, agrees to help the Not Asshole Skrulls find a new homeworld

Also, for fuck's sake, if you're going to have Coulson around give him a bigger role.

change the costume to be more like the 70s one for starters. that starfleet looking thing she's wearing has zero personality

Buddy you can interpret "enhanced" however you want, they were talking specifically about The Avengers.
>Iron Man's presence created a dramatic arms race, especially that Extremist fiasco
>Thor's arrival on Earth attracted the attention of several Asgardian threats, like The Dark Elves
>The Avengers presence forced HYDRA to make people like Wanda and Pietro
>Spider-Man forced Vulture, Shocker, and others to change the criminal game
Etc, Etc. The point Vision was making is that The Avengers presence encouraged challenge and a reactive response. In no way, shape, or form was the Inhumans ever implied at all

Vulture was already running around stealing shit in a bird costume before Spider-man. There was also a Shocker before they too, it was just not!Montana's idea to call himself that.

Passionate nerds need to be writing the scripts for these movies.

And you know that how? The Spider-Man timeline is vague at best. Also way to completely ignore those other points.

Unless someone in a movie directly calls out Daredevil, Quake, or even Luke Cage, you got jack shit

I'm not talking about the timeline of anything. This actually happens in the movie. Vulture is already doing his thing, Shocker is part of his crew, and nothing they're doing is a response to Spider-man at all. They only become aware of each other over the course of the film

>Still dodging the hard questions
Also you kind of missed the obvious time jump at the beginning too. But lets pretend Spidey isn't a factor here; Toomes changed his game because of The Avengers. His salvaged tech was to ensure he wouldn't get caught by the likes of Stark. But we're getting off track here. You know damn well what Vision meant, and it had nothing to do with Inhumans

I'm not arguing the rest of your point. I'm not even the person you were arguing with before. I'm only talking about spider-man.

>NIGHTMARE MODE: Not changing how the Avengers were named.

I'd have it be a longer more big budget Marvel movie. Have her start on earth in a more spacey look Nick gives her codename Ms. Marvel. She plays hero trying to remember her powers and memories while playing a big role in what became the index. She regains her memories and now is Captain Marvel. Have a cute scenes with her and Howard Stark where Howard makes a quip about Captain America. Maybe Little Tony meets her and says a cliche "I wanna be like you when I grow up" and have her dub him a hero in the same way he did to Peter in Infinity War.

Post credits scene is a pan over of a room. There's posters of both Ms. Marvel and Captain alongside other MCU heroes. It passes a Laptop with Word open and a shitty MCU fanfic on it on to a tub of the Fish oil that turn inhumans and a terragenesis cocoon. The cocoon cracks before the fade out Figtree said he wanted to add Kamala and this movie left out the needed segway

All in all not much to change to make it at least future proof.

>Everyone was happy to see Ego have a huge face in GOTG2
I was happy but I was a bit disappointed at first that the face didn't talk but then he started making talking faces out of rock formations and shit like in the Silver Surfer cartoon and I got so excited

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>Not making a Captain Marvel movie because the character is shit
>Instead just have Daredevil show up in Avengers

>HARD MODE: No recasting Brie Larson.
Fine. She's still Carol Danvers. But the movie is about Mar-Vell, she's a supporting character. She might take over the franchise 3 movies in or so. When she's fucking earned it.

>NIGHTMARE MODE: Not changing how the Avengers were named.
Eh. This was dumb, but I'm not losing any sleep over it. Makes a movie set 50 years earlier being called "The First Avenger" kinda stupid in retrospect, but what ya gonna do.

I'd at least have a nod to the swimsuit. Like, have her wearing it in a scene where she's literally swimming, in like, a pool. Like a regular person. She gets out of the water and wraps a red towel around he waist.

I feel like she hulk would work out better as a tv series. It would have more room to breath and we can get a chance at having best run she hulk.

The bathing suit is dumb and would be a bad idea in any movie that isnt a porno.

>The big head in a jar would just be another CGI muppet
Actors are merely beautiful muppets user.
The entire reason why a CGI muppet is bad is that you film it, there is nothing there, and since there is nothing there you go some modern version of 'okay thats a wrap folks, let the underpaid interns fix it in post'

Haven't people been wanting a Black Widow movie for years now?

>What we got was much more satisfying than another bog standard "evil vs. evil" stor
Are you actually suggesting that evil vs evil is more common than good vs evil? Fuck me, are you living in 1975?

>Fury fucking lies to motivate people.
Why do people keep bringing this up? Fury wasn't motivating or manipulating anyone in the scene in the winter soldier. The manipulations were over, he was revealing his eye to unlock a fucking computer.

>B-but he was lying to set up possible future manipulation of the people in the room! Clearly Black Widow was motivated by his eye lie!

I would make Ronan say something about Xandarians

>"She doesn't need to prove herself". Lol.
It's more that she doesn't need to meet one person's arbitrary standards to prove herself.

>HARD MODE
I can work with this.
>NIGHTMARE MODE
No, shut up, fuck you.

>No European Extreme
Casual

>Oh thank god, the guy with sticks is here to stop Thanos!
Really, user? There's a reason why Matt wasn't in the final battle in Infinity Gauntlet. Wish Wolverine was on the table

set it in near the future, after the snap has been unsnapped
actually make it about ms pajeet marvel
carol danvers just appears once or twice and is basically a non-character
call it miss marvel: homecoming