Cyborg or biologically enhanced?
Also why haven’t any countries made their own super soldiers yet?
Best way to make a supersoldier
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Christian Diaz
What do you think CRISPR is, 100bucks the US military has a few hands in it
am sure the US has it's hand on gene technology to make better/fitter soldiers but it isn't ready yet.
and I know China is also looking into it.
William Mitchell
>Also why haven’t any countries made their own super soldiers yet?
Do you really think is ok to ask this question on probably the dumbest board in Yea Forums?
Henry Gomez
Biologically enghanced obviously. Machines can be hacked.
William Campbell
>Chinks will create GigaChinkChads
>Brazillians are paying mad cash for blue-eyed and blonde gened sperm
>whites are trying to mutt themselves into oblivion by having mandatory ape breeding grounds
Boy, the future sure looks bright!
Julian Taylor
>Also why haven’t any countries made their own super soldiers yet?
SCHOOOOOOOOOOOOOLS OUT FOR SUMMER
Landon Watson
The real horror is what the pajeets will come up with in the super soldier arms race
Jack Gonzalez
They have tried, it just never worked. Remember when the Soviets tried to make Ape-Man hybrids. Also bio is better because it fixes itself.
Dominic Sullivan
It doesn’t matter, they are only going to use them to fight Pakistan anyways.
Gavin Gray
>Also why haven’t any countries made their own super soldiers yet?
Believe me, there have been attempts. It doesn’t work.
Parker Hernandez
It will work eventually. We just don’t have the tech. Super soldier programs will be the first step in creating a transhumanist utopia.
Samuel Flores
But it isn’t.
>five armed, cow headed, winged but still flightless, human minded, Hindi terrorists.
The pakis will never tase cheeseburger again.
Xavier Brooks
>Not putting the nanomachines in your cyborg
The real answer is both. Nanomachines made from meat.
Jason White
>X-TREME Poo-Flinging built-in feature with every Cyborg Pajeet
Oh... Oh no.
Gabriel Harris
Cybernetics
Jeremiah Jackson
In order to be worth it it has to work on hundreds, if not thousands, of soldiers quickly and easily.
It just plain makes more sense inventing better armor and weapons that can be mass produced instead of fiddling with surgery that can easily go wrong.
Wyatt Harris
This. Most fiction ignores the logistics of actually enhancing a big enough group of people to be practical in a military scenario. Only one that really did it correctly was Halo and the Spartans, where it took decades for the tech to reach the point where you could make entire battalions of super soldiers on the cheap. Until then you had maybe 1/3rd of candidates turn out ok, while the rest were left crippled or dead
Julian Long
>why haven’t any countries made their own super soldiers yet?
Turns out improving on ~4,000,000,000 years of evolution is not a trivial problem.
Zachary Bailey
So cells?
Luke Scott
Yes
Ian Carter
A cyborg has no limits since you could nano engineer their body parts to be indestructable. A gene edit human is limited by biology.
Kevin Phillips
We haven't made them because the technology doesn't exist. But both paths have deep flaws.
First off is cybernetics. The obvious downside here is maintenance, you can't just give someone a robot arm and call it a day. You are going to have to be cleaning and repairing that robot armor ALL THE TIME, especially if it is seeing combat use. That's a whole host of specialty parts that are not useful for any other purpose or machine. Otherwise you are going to run into some kind of equipment failure. Think of the robot arm like a high performance race car, now imagine having to go through all of that for every cyborg you have.
Speaking of putting a racing car into a human, that has its own problems. Lets imagine you give a guy a robot arm that can lift 600 lbs. Thats super impressive, right? Total super soldier material?
Well, no. Because the robot arm can lift 600 lbs, but the human body it is rooted into fucking can't support that weight. that robot arm will rip itself right out of the squishy meat body trying to lift that weight, that's just basic physics. And if you go in and all of the support structures needed to prevent that sort of catastropy from happening, your 'cyborg' is basically 100% robot with maybe a brain and some vital organs squeezed in there. At that point it begs the question of why you didnt just build a robot from the start.
Blake Flores
But one Spartan 2 can defeat alien empires and eldritch horrors.
Jason Phillips
Genetic engineering has its own problems. There is no such thing as a gene for superstrength, or a gene for faster healing. Its all a complex set of interactions in a system we don't understand at all well enough to make those kinds of predictions. Fuck, in 2010 we discovered we were literally reading DNA wrong the whole time and were missing half of the data.
On top of that, you can't change an organism once it is built. Any genetic engineering change has to happen in the egg, late fetal stage is already too late. Just like how if I somehow came up with a gene therapy to change all of your XY chromosomes into XX, you wouldnt transform into the female version of yourself. You would just be a guy with XX genes and maybe some weird hormone problems. Changing your genes now doesn't go back in time and grow you a different set of organs.
So we have no idea how to do a super soldier biologically and even if we could they would have to be raised to be supersoldiers from infancy, which is super illegal in a dozen different ways.
Isaac Wood
just drug the troopers with some nasty designer shit and you're golden
Jaxson Collins
Pretty much this.
Aaron Brooks
No, THE Spartan II defeated all that crazy shit due to circumstance and luck. Most of the other Spartan IIs died horribly.
Julian Gonzalez
We made em in WW2 with coffee and ciggerettes.
Jackson Jackson
This is why the real world military is investing into powered exoskeletons instead of supersoldiers. A soldier in powered armor has all of the same advantages as a cyborg, but without the need to integrate that into the soldier. The powered armor can provide combat advantage and be maintained like any other gear, and you can put any soldier into the powered armor rather than having to tailor your cyborg parts to each individual. More importantly, when your soldier *inevitably leaves the military* they don't take the powered armor with them or prompt a series of expensive as fuck surgeries to de-militarize them.
Powered armor still has a long way to go (power supply continues to be a bitch) but its still the obviously best move in terms of soldier enhancement.
Austin Miller
>Cyborg or biologically enhanced?
Both + power suit/armour.
Bentley Ortiz
Even then, most exoskeletons are all about helping with load-bearing equipment to reduce fatigue from weight of gear, and not super-soldier armor.
It will always be too pricey for normal grunts, and our special forces really aren't going up again at anything that truly challenges them at the individual level.
Jacob Hall
>probably the dumbest board in Yea Forums?
hey now we're at least smarter than /fit/
Brayden Evans
>Even then, most exoskeletons are all about helping with load-bearing equipment to reduce fatigue from weight of gear, and not super-soldier armor.
Well, sure. Because the technology only barely allows for even that. One would assume that as the technology advances, if it did allow for more extreme strength enhancement we would be doing that. But for now 'carries my shit for me' is about what we can accomplish.
Parker Wright
>pajeets will come up with in the super soldier arms race
KHAAAAAANNNNNNNN!!!!!
Joseph Jackson
Bothi s the path to greatness, see Space Marines concept. You enhance biological functions to the utmost extreme and THEN pile on cybernetics, normal humans wouldn't even dream of using. THEN you put them in suits further enhancing everything you've been working on.
this
Liam Sanchez
Nanomachines, son.
Sebastian Bennett
The metal would also squish your human body. Insects dont have this problem because their entire biology is designed for an armored covering while we are not.
Cameron White
Don't lean into the dumb jock stereotype so much. /fit/izens are actually pretty smart, there is a surprising amount of know-how, planning, and willpower that is part and parcel with any extensive workout regime. Especially if you want results and want to avoid hurting yourself.
Jackson Wilson
Where's a good read on what they discovered about genes? I heard they found out what junk DNA was for but didn't hear much else.
>tfw graduated in 2012 right before this
Logan Gonzalez
One never knows what the future holds, but even if we had the technology for a "heavy armored soldier" concept, I'm not so sure it would be a viable tactic.
It would have to be thick enough armor to defend against any armor-piercing infantry ammo, while still being small and maneuverable enough to avoid dedicated anti-tank weaponry.
That's a tall order, even for the future. Plus, if available, who knows if it would be tactically viable, or if its already obsolete ie Tank Hunter Doctrine.
Blake Cooper
The problem is the human brain is shit its simply too slow compared to an A.I meaning you cant react to high speed weaponry. So its better to just create an A.I mech than a guy in a metal suit.
John Wilson
>eating raw onions
I agree on the subject of foresight and willpower, but /fit/ has a lot of straight up voodoo science.
Caleb Bailey
>Also why haven’t any countries made their own super soldiers yet?
they have
also best super soldier is:
Take immortal assassin
coat him in adamantium
done
Nathan Collins
Biological all the way, with possible mechanical enhancements in a suit of some sort. The human body is a lot harder to hack than cybernetics.
Aaron Moore
>he can't tell the shitposting apart
I bet you don't even live it.
Jack Lewis
>The metal would also squish your human body.
Enhance the skeletal system with cybernetic/ nanotech rubbish and use drugs/biotech and what have you to keep the body operating nominally with all that foreign cyber junk in it whilst having a suit of powered armour with AI actively manage all that junk plus further enhance your genetic super soldier combat capabilities
Jose Diaz
>genetic
I meant to generic
Chase Gonzalez
Yes just make an A.I mech instead.
William Gomez
Expanse shows why exoskeletons are a bad idea, the, the soldiers struggled to damage the Ultra Molecule due to how slow their reaction time is.
Joshua Cruz
There's a reason the Spartan II program was scrapped; a single Spartan II's armor setup cost as much as a star ship, but they were still susceptible to death from even small-arms fire. With the exception of 117, the Spartan IIs did not recoup their cost.
Grayson Reyes
>just make an A.I mech
AI is in almost every piece of tech. You could just slave a bunch cheap high-performance humanoid drones to the biological soldier
Nolan Hughes
Humans are obsolete in warfare compared to artificial killing machines biological or mechanical, scifi is wrong wars between advance races would be their military A.I systems killing each other and no organic soldiers ever.
John Scott
>Blind Chaos vs Sapient Reason
The first gene modded human were born officialy last year and while its to early to say how far their modification went we can say by now that they are immune to AIDS and the common cold. And the tech is getting better every ear, its a early transhuman world.
Parker Watson
Angron is a total fucking faggot.
Xavier Murphy
Still not worth the cost. There is no shortage of human recruits for the military. The only time we end up using robots is either to disarm bombs or hilariously to suicide bomb an entrenched enemy.
Until drones are able to outmaneuver and out-pace their human counterparts, then the sheer cost of not only implementing them, but maintaining them, just isn't viable.
Noah Hughes
Isn’t it cheaper and easier just to use regular soldiers who are pretty fucking disposable and can get be pretty good in combat? Super soldiers are a cool concept but how much better are they really
Colton Smith
>Any genetic engineering change has to happen in the egg, late fetal stage is already too late.
Depends if we successfully develope nanovirus functioning liek retroviral, gene augmentation in later adult stage would be possible.
Zachary Young
This thread has been pretty solid at explaining why all 3 types of super-soldier concepts just aren't viable in real life.
Regular soldiers will always be the norm.
Tyler Taylor
>its still the obviously best move in terms of soldier enhancement.
It's probably gonna be a mix between cyborg and powerarmour. A neuro implant, to speed up thoughts and nanites within the body to speed up healing will be used but not any bigger cyborgisation as maintance is far harder.
The a low-key extremis armored guy is the best supersoldier.
Lincoln Kelly
Retrovirus solves the distribution of the new genetic code to every cell in your body. But that doesn't actually result in physiological changes.
Sebastian Morgan
Cybernetic
Henry Murphy
I could see common soldiers assisted by a third-lobe technology being useful. Having a computer adjust your aim for you is a hell of a boost.
Noah Taylor
>Also why haven’t any countries made their own super soldiers yet?
Because they keep wasting billions of dollars on showing fictional super soldiers on screens, duh.
Hunter Robinson
Proteus Nanovirusis could be used to stimualte new cells and replace old ones and thus make physiological changes. It need to happen in a controlled manner though, the guy probably needs to be put in nanostasis.
Eli Flores
Yeah, see... none of that shit you just mentioned in real. Its exactly as valid an answer as saying 'find a genie and make a wish'.
Jonathan Wright
The only type of supersoldier that makes sense to me is Guilty-Gear typed magic/psychic soldiers. When the power is literally supernatural, then it solves the energy/mass/maintainence overhead requirements pretty simply. And since it's magic, it can retroactively apply to an existing human, perhaps even restoring a warrior to his prime.
And since it's supernatural, you have free reign to explain why it's rare: maybe the process is super fucked up, maybe it requires a chosen hero, maybe magic needs a particular resource or artifact to use.
Christian Scott
>A.I systems killing each other and no organic soldiers ever.
>no organic soldiers ever.
Just hack my shit bru, my tech magically programs and performs maintenance on itself.
No oversight necessary, just leave it to the bots to keep us safe...
Mason Ross
Psst. You might be racist. You may not know it, but you have biases that are coloring your opinion.
Ethan Roberts
Of course such tech is atleast 5 decades away but its not a new concept and examples of old cells being replaced bycells that were created by retroviral infected cells making such tech not impossible.
You can't really compare such procedure with a genie, you may disagree that we may ever be capable of replicating such funtions to our wishes but don't compare things you disagree with with impossibilites.
Ayden Baker
>hack
Retard humans centuries from now would create anti hacking technology.
Nicholas Garcia
Where’s the damn kaminoans when you need them
Landon Morales
>Blue Team contains probably the last four Spartan II's left alive
>that one II who "died" and trained the Spartan III's for ONI or the washout chick that eventually became head of ONI notwithstanding
Adrian Young
AIDS immunity already existed in the gene pool, it's just rare. If they did anything cold related it had to be the same.
Matthew Perez
Cut out the middleman and just make killbots, without a kill limit
Jose Carter
The point of a soldier is for it to be as cost effective as possible, not special. You´d have to be in a full scale war with heavy personell loses to consider it.
After the war takes place, you´d need to integrate the super soldier into civilian life, which regular soldiers already struggle with.
If the changes brought about to a super soldier cause health issues and reduce lifespam, it´s probably not good publicity.
Xavier Green
in Ultimate, everyone tried. They kept making weird shit like Hulk, Green Goblin, and other villains instead.
Chase Reyes
jesus man
source?
Jose Foster
Oh no, I am a racist. I thought it was rather obvious, really.
Nicholas Myers
>Mechanicum
Good ol grimdark 40k
Chase Wright
>Unhackable AI
So Horizon: ZD?
Wyatt Bennett
Could be worse since they could make you into a lobotomized servitor and make you do mindless repetitive tasks for the rest of your life.
Ayden Fisher
>Also why haven’t any countries made their own super soldiers yet?
Because that shit ain't real you fucking child.
Jace Fisher
There is also this beauty.
Ian Gray
Leo Hall
Bentley Fisher
Brandon White
Depends, there are some developments into it: nationaldefensemagazine.org
But its mostly research into mind/machine interface than the idea of creating special designed soldiers. The focus is to have better pilots.
John Ross
I don't know man when you're lobotomized you're not really there anymore here they just take everything that makes you a person but you are still conscious because they need your autonomy and critical thinking to fight
Henry Parker
There's implications that some servitors retain some kind of awareness of their situation but are helpless to do anything about it
Ryan Long
Why couldn’t you hypothetically build an entire enhanced human body from scratch and just transplant a brain into it? I know tech like that would likely be thousands of years away, but to argue it’s imposdible seems short-sighted.
Levi Morgan
well its just shit all around for everyone involved
Isaiah White
Welcome to the Imperium
Zachary Moore
Both.
Grayson Bell
Biologically if you could manage it would be better. Less detectable, unless all your cybernetics are ceramics and shit.
It's honestly cheaper to just make better guns and give them to idiots. Since a super soldier could still be taken out by one good sniper, it's pointless to invest more than training into meat, when hardware is easier to mass produce.
Kevin Martinez
Magic
Evan Butler
>The a low-key extremis armored guy is the best supersoldier.
And yet, "Extremis" is just just Tony's execution of what the actual Extremis procedure could have been. If you take Erskine out of the 40's and let him work with Maya, he probably wouldn't have needed his formula and Vita Rays because he probably would have just used it on Steve instead to get the same result. At the end of the day, altering the genetic makeup of a person to break them down and remake them presenting the capacities and abilities that best fit whatever your version of a super soldier is will be the most effective may to enhance individuals.
Joshua Brown
based and singularity-pilled
Samuel Lewis
I wonder what a maxed out Extremis guy would be capable of in the woozy physic world of Marvel.
Ian Butler
>not to mention amphetamines
Carter Sanchez
Half half