The Boys

I felt kind if gross after. Like when you fap six times in the same day.

That is actually a very precise description.

Why'd you kill me dog, Jack?

Plebeian
>Thinking Garth Ennis is a great writer because of edge and violence.

Contrarian
>Thinking Garth Ennis is a shit writer because of edge and violence.

Patrician
>Understanding that Garth Ennis is a good writer who can tell engaging and moving stories beneath the edge and violence

Nobody buys this shit, Garth.

The Boys Universe was in dire need of bad guys scary enough to motivate the corporation to produce serviceable public servants.

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my favorite part was the Xmen part earlier on trying to humanize the newer heroes, how fucked they are, how enabled they are and the part with the Special team it was just sad to see that kinda of cruelty hit them
Apart from that i think i enjoyed reading it

Yeah. I like the xmen part too. I wish the kids didn't have to die though.

unlike any Ennis shit (except Punisher) is a good story with heart, the plot is interesting and the characters are so fucking great, for me, the best Ennis' work (fuck you Crossed, the most stupid shit I've seen in my life) The Boys are a really great comic, beautiful and well designed

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In the long list of oversexualized, gory, provocative-for-no-reason shit that Garth Ennis has put out over the years, I like this the most.

Patrician is understanding that some Garth Ennis runs are better than others. Preacher, Hitman, and Punisher were great. The Boys wasn't.

It was garbage, albeit the main protagonist was a cool dude

>Turn The Deep into a white guy
>Turn A-Train into a black guy
It's really really hard not to think they're playing to stereotypes here...

I didn't really like it but I couldn't stop reading it anyway
I don't know if I was bored or what

It solidified my belief that Ennis is best with an editor to sand his edges off. I liked the core concept and the characters, but it was all just so disgustingly gratuitous.

Its a good read for satire of cape comics, the edgy material is what complements the cape satire and oh boy is it balls to the wall edgey. It's what if punisher is a british man with a sense of humor with a rag tag crew that take down heros. The main hero though is sean penn who is a new recruit to brit punisher crew. I recommend it for anyone who can read or love a comic series full of sex and violence.

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> Cringe
> 12 year old's masturbatory edgy fantasy of what he thinks is a subversion of capes except it's written by some fuck in his thirties while self inserting himself in the comic.

yeah it's goon fic. good to see at least some people with taste around here

It's pretty much what most Ennis books devolve into at some point. I found it enjoyable when I was younger and this was new, but Rick and Morty -tier now.

The big flaw in the canon was the inconsistent power level of the supes. Okay why are supes considered a threat if the majority are barely superhuman? And while the Seven and Stormfront are supposed to be the exception and actually be Superman-tier powerlevels they eventually die to crowbars and armor piercing bullets. The series premise was completely undermined and the build up to taking down the Justice League/Avenger teams was wasted.

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Ohhh, because white guys swim good and black guys run good. Lol, hadn't even occurred to me. I'd really like to know if people do this shit subconsciously or was it intentional by committee?

Peak Ennis

Like all Ennis, has an anti-fanboy brigade of faggots screeching about it and how mature they are for hating it.

I see your point but I think it works, and the damage that WAS done (in the cape uprising) was realistically catastrophic for the powerlevels, and also itself enough to retroactively ratify and justify their 'cold war' stance vs just going direct to hard conflict.

You're giving it more thought than the people who made it. The fact they took away Deeps ridiculous diving bell helmet is proof of that.

>read about Butcher's childhood and how his little bro would always act as his conscience and mediator before he died, talking him out of killing their father and whatnot
>remember how Butcher told Hughie that them working together would be like him having a "little brother"
>re-analyze the ending sequence of the story with that in mind
>mfw

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>just going direct to hard conflict.
90% of the capes weren't immune to bullets, of the remainder only a handful were immune to any sort of handheld anti-armor weaponry. Said remaining handful weren't immune to the specific anti-super weaponry the government had in spades. That's not even getting into the fact that the vast majority of superhumans in the setting have powers less useful than a gun. The Boys suffers because Ennis tries to have his cake and eat it too, presenting the supers (and Vought-American) as complete buffoons incapable of doing anything right while simultaneously being a dangerous threat. That's not even getting into the fact that the supers are pretty much uniformly depicted as a bunch of hedonistic addicts who only care about fame, money, hookers, and blow in no particular order, none of them have any reason to bother attempting to overthrow the government.

I don't know man. I liked his Punisher stuff a lot more than The Boys.

>I see your point but I think it works, and the damage that WAS done (in the cape uprising) was realistically catastrophic for the powerlevels, and also itself enough to retroactively ratify and justify their 'cold war' stance vs just going direct to hard conflict.

If you could coordinate putting together a couple hundred guys, arm them and get them to DC without raising suspicions you too, could overrun the White House and kill the President. That isn't hyperbole, that's just established fact. A coordinated battalion sized element could overthrow any major city. The element doesn't need to have superpowers, just guns. In light of that, the Supe uprising wasn't significant because superpowers were involved but the coordination by Vought American.

Which again, is where The Boys should have focused. The real fight wasn't against Supes but Vought itself. In that sense the ending of the Boys is actually depressing; Vought will survive and presumably keep trying to dominate the government from within and this time Butcher and Mallory won't be around to stop them.

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Pretty dumb. But I won’t begrudge you for liking it.

If you paid attention to the series you'd know that Vought-American was hanging on by a thread the entire series, since their only major profitable product was the superheroes and they had lost the ability to create them years prior. How Vought-American was treated in the series was one of its major flaws, as within the setting they basically never produce anything that isn't an absolute shitshow yet the presumably other major defense contractors in-universe haven't eaten them alive.

The superhero stuff was a bit gratuitous and bitter most of the time, but as always the character work shone through.

about as deep as Evangelion I'd say

>If you paid attention to the series you'd know that Vought-American was hanging on by a thread the entire series, since their only major profitable product was the superheroes and they had lost the ability to create them years prior. How Vought-American was treated in the series was one of its major flaws, as within the setting they basically never produce anything that isn't an absolute shitshow yet the presumably other major defense contractors in-universe haven't eaten them alive.

Vought alone was said to be singlehandedly rich enough to compete against the entire Defense industry combined. They didn't lose the ability to create Blue or genetically engineer Supes with Vogelbaum. They stopped long ago because creating real superhumans like the Seven was too expensive. Presumably, even with the loss of their star teams they'll just create new ones and keep up the revenue streams because people still demand superheroes. That's literally what they were doing right there at the end. The corporate dude lamented they had a shit product but that doesn't imply he still isn't pursuing the same ambitions.

The entire defense industry combined is something like $700 billion dollars in revenue a year. If that were the case why are they fucking around with the USA when they could control most of Africa with that amount of money?

Different guy here, but I think even he saw that the very idea of the corporate Superhero was always going to end in failure. It wasn't just that particular batch that was bad (although it was particularly bad), but the concept itself was inherently flawed.

Whether or not he was just grandstanding to Hughie when he stated that Vought was gonna be just fine anyways is open to debate though.

Hitman > The Boys >>>>>>>> Preacher

remember that issue of Preacher that's entirely dedicated to juvenile Bill Hicks worship? How embarrassing

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It ain't me son... I'm somewhere else watching it happen..

It ain't me..

>re-analyze
They literally state this outright

Preacher is great but Ennis' jerking off of American culture is pretty cringe

Eh, I like the characters and individual moments in Preacher more. I like the Boys but it does a poor job at balancing out the comedy and drama. Preacher and Hitman is peak Ennis where he manages to balance both and hit it out of the park.

It's a bad product held aloft by Butcher, the Homelander, and Stillwell. Everything that didn't revolve around those three was garbage.

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Hughie aggravated me to no end.

him and the christian girl are the moral backbone of the story, you need some sort of levity, otherwise it would just get depressing too fast

sums up my thoughts as well.

Tries to walk the line between cringey self-indulgence and genuinely compelling critical take on the genre. Stumbles more than a few times, but on the whole I think it's worth reading at least once.

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I get that, I just didn't like the character. I think the series would have been stronger if Butcher had recruited Starlight as a member of The Boys and had her still working as an active superhero, then manipulated her to join the Seven as a mole.

I think it would have worked better as a series of vignettes than a continuous series.

That's fucking brilliant.

Possibly

>complete buffoons incapable of doing anything right while simultaneously being a dangerous threat.

It's perfectly believable. Also keep in mind these idiots have acces to nuclear armament while those idiots were the nuclear armament.

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>The main hero though is sean penn who is a new recruit to brit punisher crew.

He's aged a bit out but Wee Hughie was clearly meant to be Simon Pegg.

I like Ennis and think even Crossed is an interesting world to explore, but the boys doesn't work for me as satire. I've said it before, but if he'd gone full Frank Castle and his dirty dozen vs. capes it would've been good. Instead he gave his dudes the same superpowers, which is a cop out.

Empowered does "Capes are fame hog douchebags" sature much better, and the few glimpses of Thugboy's past as a capekiller terrorist are 100% better than the whole run of The Boys.

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I loved it in spite of how edgy it could be, there's a really good story and emotional beats in there. It's one of the few things that I look forward to the adaption of since it'd be a good chance to refine it and trim some of the fat, but I'm not optimistic.

This. The shallow superhero "deconstruction" was somehow the weakest part of the whole thing.

What's your take on Stillwell being gender swapped?

I couldn't even recall that dude's name yet he was the most memorable character in the series. Outplayed everyone and was behind everything and his only motivation was 'it's just business and this is my job'.

Yeah he was based, and him finally realizing supes were shit product was a more crushing defeat than death or dismemberment

which is this from?

>Simon Pegg
Dammit i got the names wrong but i see what you mean

>If you could coordinate putting together a couple hundred guys, arm them and get them to DC without raising suspicions you too, could overrun the White House and kill the President.

Yep, and that was exactly the threat the Supes ended up posing. A gaggle of treasonous flying idiots. Very incredibly dangerous, especially if properly managed by some actual competent commanders. Fortunately for everyone Homelander was a retard.

The one really obnoxious thing was Black Noir being affected so heavily by simple anti-armor rounds, but they even sort of rationalized that with the 'open wounds' remark and having him come into the final 'fight' already heavily weakened and injured (with many open wounds) by Homelander.

Takes away from the archetype of his character in the comic, but as long as they keep the stoic corporate asshole-ness I could do with it.

It hits even harder if you consider the likelihood that Butcher knew he’d eventually go off the deep end and that the entire time he was essentially setting up Hughie to be the one to kill him when that time finally came.

His literal dying wish was for his little bro to be the hero who saves the day and gets the girl. IMO this book is really underrated in its character writing.

>It hits even harder if you consider the likelihood that Butcher knew he’d eventually go off the deep end and that the entire time he was essentially setting up Hughie to be the one to kill him when that time finally came.
>consider
None of this was implied dude, Butcher literally told Hughie this before he died.

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A bit overly edgy, but I liked some of the ideas

I thought it was stupid that they used 9/11 for this scene of why the heroes supposedly suck, since even though the heroes did fucked up, they still technically saved hundreds of lives by causing the plane to hit a bridge instead of a huge building.

You think that bridge was empty? Had no traffic on it?

I loved how Butcher basically brought in Hughie because he knows we how far he was willing to go for petty revenge and a small part of him wanted to be stopped.

It's a dumb comic for retards that has nothing of value to say about actual superhero comics and otherwise regurgitates the same themes about the military, corporations etc as all the rest of garth's comics

Yeah I agree with you, like in Empowered their douchiness is what you expect from vapid bay area celibrities and rich people, while the Boys stepped too far into "everything I don't like all at once"

It put me off the Ennis forever.

>the boys make it a tv adaptation
>Simon Pegg to old to play Hughie
>Will play his father

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French and the asian girl deserved to live more than huey and his bitch

Eh, I read the first few issues but this is one of those series where I realized that I just don't find this kind of purposefully 'edgy' content all that interesting anymore.

It may be great for some people, and good for them(!), but it's just kind of dull for me at this point.

Based

Literally proven in the pathetic first post

Man, I'll be sure to read it then!

>Stillwell
What happened to him in the end? Can't quite remember.

Garth Ennis is amazng as long as he is on a leash

Hellblazer is Ennis with a very short leash
Punisher and Preacher are Ennis with a long leash
the boys are Ennis without leash
Crossed is Ennis without leash and with someone poking him with a pointy stick

Because if you control a country like america and have 700 billion dollars worth of supers you can control the world.

Everyone in this show looks pretty on point except for Billy and Hughie. Why the fuck do the main character not look like themselves?

>none of them have any reason to bother attempting to overthrow the government.
All their lives they are treated like gods and at best get into conflics that are just over glorified PR stunts.They might have not had the ambition for it but when the opportunity presented itself theres no way these self indulgent luntatics could resist getting a chance to show off and become something much more than celebrities for people they basicly think of as lesser beings.

>We demand to be taken seriously

unmitigated trash, I don't know wht writers who hate superheroes have to write about ho much they hate superheroes

Do you think the "suck it" scene get adapted at all?

>except for Billy and Hughie
>Stillwell doesn't look like the spitting image of the faceless corporation he's representing

Honestly I like how the main cast in the show looks but they seriously fucking shot themselves in the foot turning him into a girl. It doesn't even make sense, women are emotional. That's not a dig at them, I'm just stating a fact.

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Tried it, couldn't get past the first issue, it seemed like all the cursing and sex was just to make it seem more "adult" or dark. Brat pack did it better.

>a small part of him wanted to be stopped
More like a big part of him. He died with a smile on his face. I'd argue that he probably wanted Hughie to get a happy ending a lot more than he wanted to actually succeed in his plan.

If not then theres no hope for the rest of the series to be anything but censored fluff.

I hate how people immediately drop it the moment they see all the gore and edge because underneath the surface is actually a really moving story with some great characters.

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how do people not see the irony in trying really hard to sound adult and mature by automatically shitting on everything remotely edgy because it tries too hard to be adult and mature

How do you not see the irony in trying to sound mature by somehow inferring that other people are trying to sound mature by shitting on a comic (one comic, not multiple) that tries too hard to seem mature while not having any knowledge of the creators or works from the genre it's trying to seem mature by "parodying"?
TL;DR: Fuck off, Garth. The Boys is terrible, and Kirby and Simon did more during WW2 than you ever will do for the military, or soldiers in general, in your lifetime, you clueless shitbag

OP here. I enjoyed the edgy shit because I thought it was funny in a parody sort of way: like the g-men, 9-11, and the herogasm parts

>(one comic, not multiple)
people here parrot the exact same line about literally any comic with any amount of gore or gross-out shit in it whether or not it's written by ennis
literal npc response

Volume Three: Good for the soul

>npc
It figures that an Ennis fan would think an actual *meme* is a valid point to make. I see you're not intelligent enough for me to have responded in the first place. Bye.

Wait, Stillwell exists? I thought he was replaced with a hole?

Some of the commentary was just ridiculous. When Billy kills their Captain America parody he says "You never served in WWII, and you're an insult to everyone that did." Ennis later said in an interview that this was him giving his opinion on Cap.
Here's my issue: Ennis criticism applies to the Punisher, who he has seemingly no problem with. Not to mention the fact that Cap was created by people who worked for the US military in WWII.

When Mallory was talking to Hughie about the first batch of soldiers. The original Soldier Boy (capt america) was killed in the Battle of the Bulge

it's similar to Pat Mills' view of superheroes/WWII in Marshal Law: Super Babylon. To me both are fine in the context of their story (since it's about poorly-created "heroes" used for PR purposes and war) but if you take it as commentary it feels weak because it ends up being like a strawman created to make a point.

That was the in-universe justification, but that setup just exists so Ennis can tell the audience what he thinks about Captain America.

Yeah. In the story it makes sense, but as commentary it falls apart under any scrutiny. And it's MEANT to be taken as commentary. All the moments like that really hurt my enjoyment of The Boys.

Frank wasn't the Punisher during Vietnam/Desert Storm/whatever war it is now

Managed to read through the whole thing and as tired as it is to say, it really was just 95% edge.

Sex, gore, and gross-out shit aren't inherently bad but it just goes overboard. It's so pointless, immature, and unfunny most of the time and you quickly get to the point where you have to just roll your eyes.

that fucking assholes are the future of the planet?
>DOOD I HATE MUSLIMS 1 AMERICAN NUCLEAR BOMB
>DOOD I HATE SOUTH KOREA 1 KIM NUCLEAR BOMB
>DOOD I HATE USA 1 RUSSIAN NUCLKEAR BOMB
seriously, fuck this system, fuck this stupid world

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Edgy Trash

It's spelled DEEP

>The best Ennis work
>Not Hitman
Time to lay down the pipe, son.

i love hitman as much as the next guy but objectively speaking my war gone by is the best thing ennis has written

I jerked it to the chapter where all the heroes have a massive orgy. That was fun.

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herogasm

One of my favorites. Wish there were more well done ongoings with ultra violence and gore

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The fact that he served in Vietnam is still a huge part of his identity when he's the Punisher, at least when Ennis is writing him.

Fury MAX is such a perfect and tight story.

Anyone who's ever had a shitty dad has thought about doing exactly this at one point or another.

If there's a hole...

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I remember an user on here defending Garth Ennis as the Jim Norton of comic books.

An angry, tryhard bald faggot who rants angrily about everything and loves juvenile horseshit while being a wormy fuck who wants to sound deeper than he really is.

Yeah, I personally love the Punisher stuff more because of how much I love the character and his take on it, but My War Gone By really fucking moved me.

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I liked it. Hughie was best boy.

Tek Knight lay down the pipe ;_;

Why'd you kill me dog, Jack?
Why'd you kill me dog, Jack?
Why'd you kill me dog, Jack?
Why'd you kill me dog?

hahahaha

Not bad.
genuinely funny in places but kind of edgy and cringy in others.
Its solid and nowhere near as bad as Crossed.
Im annoyed that they are making a Tv show out of it. Some things are just so much better on the page.

Was this a hallucination he was having from the brain tumor or did it really happen? I love it, but it's a really weird tonal shift and it wasn't clear the first time I read it.

It's a hallucination. The ending page with Hughie and Butcher make it pretty clear.

He got hit in the head by some falling debris. It was his dying hallucination.

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hey look, a boys thread blowing up.
i read this a couple months ago, its ok? it has its moments but fuck me it was just ennis jerking his "grrr superheroes bad" shit, i was doing a whole ennis marathon and reach a fuckton of punisher and also preacher and those are INFINITELY better then the boys.

i still liked the boys but god preacher and punisher's storytelling was so much better, if the boys wasn't clogged up with "hurr durr lets torture annie and hughie" constantly and was filled with more good storytelling with actual humor other then "LMAO THIS GUY EJACULATES CUM WITH BLOOD IN IT AT HUGHIE'S DOORSTEP XDXDXDXD" maybe I would've liked it more.

hope the show goes with a more serious style, fixes the flaws, and overall just isn't as shit.

Why did the government provide him dental care and style his hair?

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user NOOOOOOOOOOOO

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He has. Sitllwell is female in this one.

You think they’ll show the blowbang?

They won't have the balls to do it

nothing. shit kept going as normal, if anything, he was just slightly more tired about having to deal with the same crappy product.
they're not going with the over the top look of supers that the comic had, I have very little hope for this, Seth Rogen producing doesn't help matters either. I will say I've never seen the adaptation of Preacher though

I want a comic of Ennis being poked with a stick

>proceeds to make your shitty rushed finale even worse

That shit made me laugh. You have poor taste user

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It's an interesting exploration of what would happen if normal people would get superpowers, things would probably go the way they do in that comic. It's not as much the subversion that I like, but the fact that it parodies the companies making the comics more than just the characters themselves. One of the major characters is a Stan Lee parody for example.

I can live with the violence, it gets so over the top that that sometimes it's more funny than disgusting. People today want to sound sophisticated so they'll keep saying it's cringy or edgy, but when faced with superhuman power in the hands of incompetent, untrained people, who are put in basically showbiz from childhood, you get pretty much the cast of this comic.

The two things I dislike is that
- given how common supers are in the world, they should've had at least a couple who took the time to train themselves, hone their powers, and actually try to help the world. Either as capes, community workers, or just inside normal police or emergency/rescue crews. The only ones we see in this capacity are Superduper (they are legit retarded people) and the blonde chick who hooks up with Hughie.
- Ennis has a tendency to foreshadow major plot twists too much. Everyone figured out the twist with Homelander and Black Whatshisname, weeks before the issue with the reveal came out. Sometimes he is too predictable like that.

That and if you read Hitman, then you realize that he recycles a lot from that. Not just the basic premise, but other storylines like "why do immigrants bring their hate into America" stuff.

In case I haven't mentioned, The Boys is also a treasure trove for reaction images, even though those threads have been banned on Yea Forums for a while (they haven't been when the comic was still going on). As for live action adaptation, I'm hoping that it'll be successful enough, and they learn enough from it, that they can then make an even better Hitman series.

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>It's really really hard not to think they're playing to stereotypes here...

Hollywood fucks up adaptations, news at 11.

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>while the Seven and Stormfront are supposed to be the exception and actually be Superman-tier powerlevels they eventually die to crowbars and armor piercing bullets.

Said crowbars were being wielded by enhanced superhuman military man who can punch a hole in a wall, so it's not that strange in context. The armour piercing weaponry had depleted uranium tips (so not just regular armour piercing but a couple of steps above that), and Black Noir took a ton of hits from that and was still going. The rest of the capes didn't have a notable resistance to bullets to begin with.

And on that note, there's different levels of being bulletproof. A regular commercially available automatic handgun doesn't hit nowhere near as hard as, I dunno, a 44 magnum, and military weaponry is a step above that. Using AP Ammo is again a step above that, using DU tipped AP Ammo is even worse, and shooting it from the chaingun of an attack plane is again way more serious. We are talking guns that can turn tanks into swiss cheese.

>The only ones we see in this capacity are Superduper (they are legit retarded people) and the blonde chick who hooks up with Hughie.

Also I forgot, Love Sausage was genuinely a good person who wanted to use his powers to help.

But I don't remember anyone else other than these three.

He saved a chick from falling debris and got hit in the head and died. The scene is a hallucination induced from that and the fact that he had an orange sized tumor in his head (which caused his habit of fucking everything earlier in the story).

As silly as it was, at least in the end he did die as a hero.

He was too old to play Hughie himself. Honestly, I'm fine with this, they at least acknowledged the role as best as it was possible.

>I couldn't even recall that dude's name yet he was the most memorable character in the series.

They mentioned his name twice or so, and the first mention alone was in the penultimate story arc. They did this in purpose - it wasn't his name that mattered, but the company he represented. It was a good storytelling / plot device in that sense.

A comic book where a guy pays a homeless dude to jerk off under his friends apartment door had no right to be this kino

Tek Knight, to an extent.

The Superduper team

...all I ask is that it not suck. That's it. It doesn't even have to be super good, just don't suck.

Tek Knight got shafted by that tumor. Even with it he was still enough of a good guy to get his protege away.

Dang, they're making a tv series out of this
Shit. I gotta finish my own "what if superheroes were evil" story before it becomes too common of a trope

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Well written trash. Quality scripts with garbage content.

>Garth Ennis
>thirties

Look up how old all the british invasion writers are. You'll be surprised.

>Before it becomes too common a trope

Look user pretty much everything has been done with capes at this point. It's to the point that most publishers probably won't give you a second glance if you open with 'It's like this but with-' unless you've either got credibility already or a big following already. There's nothing wrong with doing capes but you gotta realize you're pissing into a lake that's completely yellow at this point.