Why did people dislike this movie?

>Why did people dislike this movie?
Because they're Di$n€y shills and have a personal vendetta against Zack Snyder. Real fans know Man Of Steel is the most accurate and faithful adaptation of Supes to hit the big screen. It's not perfect, but it's damn close.

Faora

Faora, thank you.

I liked it. I actually cried 3 times during the film.

The whole "hide your differentness instead of being a good person because aliens" shit always seemed ham-handed.

because Pa kent while understandably comes as a concerned parent fearing how the world would treat his alien son. It comes off as don't go out of you way to help people even when you have the power to do so. You have a Clark Kent who is molded by this experience and comes off as stoic and disinterested with humanity.

Then we come to the finale where the totally not government funded propaganda military presence is giving the task of saving metropolis while superman fucks off halfway across the world where there are almost no people living in. Thus causing more people dying in the process. After all this we are lead to the climax of the fight with Zod, in which despite telling him "krypton had it's chance" superman is now sad for killing the last living remnant of krypton, which in turn is made even more awkward by the follow up of making out with lois lane on top the corpses of the people of metropolis.

So coming out of the movie we are left with a Superman who doesn't care for humanity and is begrudgingly forced to help them. Rather than morning to the loss of human live he morns for Krypton.

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It's not a great movie story wise but it is the most realistic depiction of Superman that has even been done.

>WHY DIDN'T YOU LET THE CHILDREN DIE, CLARK?!

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>expecting a good story from Zack Snyder
lel

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Yeah that sums up the movie for me. It'd be fine if he like just got to earth but that mix of dumbass and trying to look cool doesn't fit Superman at all.

Someone should have just had Snyder adapt Marvel MAX's Supreme Power.

Most people are just tired of reboots and origin stories.

>Not enough quips
>Not enough hope
>Neck breaking
>The flashbacks made the movie hard to follow
>Lois Lane going anywhere
>That fucking Pa Kent death

I liked the movie, and I don't care about the lack of quipping or the need to kill Zod, but everything else was wrong.

>not enough hope
It was plenty hopeful though, it still ended with Superman trying to look for a brighter future

It was an actual movie not a quippy commercial

It's not an anime rip-off written by weeaboo hack James Gunn.

I don't dislike the movie, I dislike the character, act like its lot in life is some kind of misfortune, brooding, devoid of life, wannabe jesus turned murderer.......

James Gunn is ok, the Russos in the other hand are a couple of hacks.

>"Don't spy on me"
>says this when an entire city was demolished by people wanting him
what did he mean by this?

>James Gunn is okay
>Literally making Brightburn

he's kind of a dick ain't he

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Everyone left the zone by that time

Absolute Kino
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the best superman movie to date. Weird that they didn't try to make a sequel yet.

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the fight were anime as fuck though
the closest thing you will get to a DBZ movie

No, I wasn't talking about Man of Steel, I LIKE Man of Steel, I am pissed about how everyone dislikes Man of Steel but is excited for Brightburn... Which has the Brand of Sacrifice and other anime stuff ripped off in it while just steeling cape stuff.

>the closest thing you will get to a DBZ movie
Captain Marvel just stole even that last bit of glory from Snyder with its glowing blond hero flying around in space throwing lasers.

>I am pissed about how everyone dislikes Man of Steel but is excited for Brightburn

Because people have an image about Superman: joyful, inspirational, a paternal figure, the almost-perfect guy that can overcome any threat and makes you feel that he's someone you can trust. But MoS gave us a crying guy with balls as big as peanuts. And I'm not saying that giving Superman emotional troubles or making him dubious about what he must do isn't right, because he has always been like that and he always got help from the Kents and Jor-El to voercome those doubts and fears. Is just that the execution was terrible, and it barely gives you an impression that Superman learnt something.

Brightburn is a literally who. No one gives a fuck about him or if he's edgy or not.

Captain marvel's fight & Choreography are below average

>Because people have an image about Superman: joyful, inspirational, a paternal figure, the almost-perfect guy that can overcome any threat

Christopher Reeve's superman already did this. Why do they need to do the same boring thing?

I disagree Cm>>>>>> SM

>Superman snaps the villain's neck like a fucking murderer

>Carol spares the villain like a true hero.

this is why I'm so mad about Man of Steel.

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and MoS's is full of product placement.

>is the most accurate and faithful adaptation of Supes

t. idiotic, Randian enthused casual

There isn't a single fight scene that come close to the smallville's one in CM

I think the worst part about it is that it was trying to be a cool "explosion behind you" kind of shot and it's still ruined because he turns around looking stupid at all the damage he could've easily prevented.

Harry Potter saved the Wizarding World over 8 movies and 7 books, what did Warner Brothers and J.K. Rowling mean by this?

>snaps the villain's neck like a fucking murderer
in order to protect earthlings

It was too long and the cgi sucked.

>Superman destroys the town he was raised in
yeah that's not what I want to see Superman do.

90% NOT MUH SUPERMAN
10% kind of a meh movie

the worst part about it is the CGI
looks incomplete/amateurish, like a lot of the MCU films

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Because Reeve ‘s Superman isn’t boring. He’s incredibly charming

This. It's actually a kino film but it's a poor Superman adaptation. Every cape comic I've ever read has a character think about collateral damage and innocent bystanders ie 'I've got to move this fight out of the city'. Snyder's failure to consider those things on screen ruptures my immersion during what should be the coolest part of the film, because the super fights were excellent aside from that disregard.

Also, Jonathan Kent's cynism is really disappointing.

That's because of his Clark Kent.

i would've liked it better if he simply snatched out of the air and gently placed it back at the airbase instead of threatening the Serious Military Man
i guess it was at the peak of drones=evil

Clark should have also had some personal drive or ambition to do SOMETHING, not just skulking about the country being a menial.
He has a terrible deficiency of character.
"Ok, these aliens relatives I've accidentally summoned want to glass the Earth, and I am a guy with an abundance of Superhuman power, but maybe i should ask this priest if I should get involved or maybe just go answer that want-ad for a dog walker."

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I hate how the Phantom Zone was portrayed. Also I hate how movies homogenize characters, like how all the Phantom Zone criminals were turned into Zod's flunkies. That really chaps my ass more than anything, the Phantom Zone should have a menagerie of villains more colorful and diverse than Arkham but instead we get Zod and "his henchmen".

Henry cavill as superman was good though

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just because he is good looking doesn't mean he is a good actor

Non

Batfleck was a good Batman with 0 good movies

Every Superman movie is either Zod and Henchmen, or Luthor and Henchmen. And once, Luthor and Zod with their Henchmen.

His solo movie the Batman is still in production

I got bad news for you son...

oui

he quits

>most realistic depiction of Superman
The absolute state of Hack Snyder stans.

Collecting two hours worths of the best bits of Smallville would make both a better movie AND an actual, more accurate and more realistic live action depiction of the Superman canon

Even just the Krypton segment of MoS was unrealistic and idiotic

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VFX looks nice at least

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Disney told them to.

MoS depicts the super powered beings they are much better than any other supes movie

Heroes are allowed to make mistakes.
He did attempt to move the fight outside of the city, but failed to. You are a liar, and likely a shill.

I didn't dislike MoS - I just found it to be largely an unacceptable adaption of the source material. If it had been sold as a science fiction movie, taking out the Kents completely (so no Tornado scene or something different to kill one or both of them off), making it the Deep South or the upper Mid West instead of Kansas, changing his name to Mark Grayson and Zod's name to Thragg and so forth, and it would have been a perfectly acceptable science fiction movie. But as a Superman adaptation, absolutely not

Also, I'm not at all excited for Brightburn.

>Lois Lane going anywhere
Not sure what you mean here. Lois is probably one of the few people who get treated well in the movie, where she comes off as a good investigative reporter.

The one thing I disagree with is that she would have so easily discovered the identity. Also, there's no basis for their kiss/relationship the way the movie is structured, it's missing scenes to build up to that.

>I don't care about the lack of quipping
If it wasn't a Superman adaptation, and I don't think a proper adaption needs quips, but if you treat it as just a movie, yeah, it's adequate without quips.

>need to kill Zod
If it had been shown as the only alternative or the sole logical choice, perhaps but otherwise, no, it doesn't work but this triggers the Snyder-drones

Because it's a joyless slog that completely misunderstands the character.

>Not sure what you mean here
can't really be sure but it might be the pretty common complaint how the movie forces Lois into scenes, i.e. I think the military brings her with them on the helicopter mission and the aliens kidnap her and bring her to their ship or something I can't perfectly remember the scenes. feels manufactured so she has more screentime.

This. There are maybe seven minutes that aren't depressing, and all seven are in the official trailers.
This movie was an egregious case of false advertisement.

because its not marvel. Disney has grabbed people by the balls.

this wasn't in the trailer

The best block is not being there user, and why would he risk giving Zod an edge? Also everyone had evacuated at that point, like said.

>letting Goyer write your screenplay and going with it.

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Jude Law didn't have the exact same powerset as carol user.

>you will never be beaten to death by this cute

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but Jude Law's villainy was on a more personal level and Carol would've been justified in killing him or just because she had powers and he didn't, but because Carol resolved to protect life and continue Mar-Vell's mission, she let him go.

meanwhile, Supes just killed Zod. many fans of Superman would argue that there was a hundred ways to defeat Zod and preserving him, but killing? absolutely unthinkable.

Man of Steel still holds my top spot out of all the modern comic book films that has come out.
Truly a divisive film and shows what it truly means to be an underrated classic.

Zod is bigger threat than Jude Law. What's the difference between killing zod and killing doomsday? Why killing Doomsday wasn't as criticized as killing zod? is it because zod looks like a human and doomsday looks like a Monster? Zod wanted to kill all humans and terraform Earth, while Doomsday only wanted to kill Superman ordered by Lex, who is the real monster?

For all of its problems, I like it more than Superman Returns and its sad sack deadbeat dad version of Clark.

This. Not to mention Zod's power was rapidly increasing as time went on. It was only a matter of time before he surpassed Clark in terms of strength.

What was Nolan's involvement in this movie?

Because trying make Superman grimdark is a fucking retarded idea. Superman movies should have the same tone as Captain America movies. I.E. millions of people should not die on screen in a Superman movie.

He and Goyer devised the story as Goyer was put in charge of the screenplay.
Snyder was put in to direct it.

Zod can be defeated and imprisoned in, I don't know, some sort of Phantom Zone? Doomsday is a mindless monster that had to be put down. it's obvious that the only reason Zod wasn't imprisoned like the rest of the kryptonians was because Snyder wanted to deliver his hamfisted grimdark version of Superman.

>Christopher Reeve's superman already did this.

Yeah, like 40 years ago. It's like if you complained about the new Spiderman for being cheerful and having teenager problems when it had been done before not once but twice in a span of 10 years. It's part of the character.

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Cavill was perfect. I hope he comes back.

The only thing that Snyder did right was the casting of all the characters. Aquaman was an excellent choice, and Gadot turned to be an excellent WW. The only one that feels out of place is Miller.

Superman Returns (2006)

They should just have kept Grant Gustin from CW Flash

As evidenced of many modern sci-fi films dealing with aliens emerging and walking among Earth, Man of Steel uniroincally fits perfectly in that angle.

>Faora will never sit on your face, forcing you to eat her sweaty, smelly cunt while she moves her hips in circles, to make you remember who is the superior being

Why even live?

This. There's a great Superman film in Man of Steel, but Snyder kind of Snyder'd it up too much in many ways.

But it wasn't Zack's screenplay to fit in the big screen.

>Zod can be defeated and imprisoned in, I don't know, some sort of Phantom Zone?
Good luck getting him there. It was established that it would've been impossible for Superman to get any of the kryptonians out of the area that he was fighting them in. Only one kryptonian would've walked out of metropolis alive, and it was Kal because he was willing to choose humanity over his own race.

>WOW A PARKING GARAGE THAT HAS NOBODY IN IN IT IS BLOWN UP, SUPERMAN IS BAD REEEEEEEEEEE

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As you can clearly see, Supes here just doesn't ignore it and consecutively gets jumped on by Zod.
People laud like he just shrugged off something he let by like it's nothing.
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I liked Man of Steel even if the tone felt a bit sad and melancholy thru the whole film

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At the very least, it doesn't suffer from tonal clash.

>tonal clash
I think it does at points
It's a little weird how the entire city is in ruined, we see a bunch of people sucked into the world engine, and then we get a kissing scene with Clark and Lois followed with quips
>You know, they say it's all downhill after the first kiss...
And the strange ending with the military with
>file related
especially jarring when put alongside the following Batman vs Superman movie

Usually I think "tonal clashes" are a bullshit complaint, but this is an instance where it was pretty iffy for me.

Fair enough.

>he doesn't know
kek

You mean that scene with the invincible guy punching the other invincible guy for 10 minutes?

Basically this. Also, first half boring and melancholy, second half way too over the top and felt like a disaster film. And awfully dull color.

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They way it's done is epic and impactful.

Not enough MARTHA!

Literally the only moment in the film I enjoy. Only for it to be completely pissed away in BvS so we can have a forced as shit conflict.

Niether of them is invincible. A bit of kryptonite here and there and they are done for.

You mean the grey filter that's on the entire fucking film?
Forgot that part in MoS with the Kryptonite.

Superman is a boring superhero character and they made him somewhat interesting in this movie. That was the biggest challenge.

I said it was kino despite my problems. I'm no shill, but you're definitely an illterate faggot.

Also, Supes runs the big Kryptonian through a corn field then slams INTO the IHOP, so you suck dick and you're flat out wrong.

Because it completely shits on the core aspect of Superman as a character.

The #1 thing the real Superman would do when fighting in a populated area, is to move the fight away, so no one bystander get hurt. If the opponent smashes him with a tank or smashes him into something, he'd first make sure if no one got hurt, and if someone might be about to get hit with shrapnel, he'd protect them, ignoring the chance that it may leave him open to another hit (he can take it, others cant). If he kicks an opponent into a building, it would have to be a construction site or a decommissioned building, or something else that he absolutely made sure is depopulated first.

Superman in MoS does a full Dragon Ball Z fight in the middle of Smallville and Metropolis, and the only single time he gives a shit about bystanders is when he notices he was knocked right next to where Pete Ross was standing.

Superman isn't an asshole with superpowers. He is a caring, good-natured, well raised, really really fucking nice guy, so old school nice guy that sometimes it becomes a joke in itself. World's biggest boy scout. That's what makes him SUPER. Not the fact that he has powers.

Basically, MoS turned Superman from a guy who isn't above rescuing cats from trees into Vegita.

There were also some other idiocies in the plot, like how Superman is dropping hints left and right to a military general about where he grew up (Lois found his home address in literally a day, there's no chance the military couldn't figure it out just by running sat surveillance on Kansas for a few days). Or Zod launching the terraformer before killing Superman first, a really risky thing to do, and outright stupid for someone who is supposed to be bred to be the top military general from before he was born. I also don't get why they wanted to take that kryptonian cell bank code from Kals corpse when they already got a blood sample from him earlier.

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>i would've liked it better if he simply snatched out of the air and gently placed it back at the airbase instead of threatening the Serious Military Man

That's the exact thing what Superman would have done, if he was written as he is in most comics. Hell I'm pretty sure he actually did that at one point.

>military presence is giving the task of saving metropolis while superman fucks off halfway across the world where there are almost no people living in

That part was sort of understandable, if the terraformer does it's job then it's game over to the entire Earth. It was the bigger threat, and the US military can't exactly launch a strike force in 5 minutes in India.

Rest of the movie was BS though.

would Superman let me fuck him if it were the only way for me not to kill myself

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>is the most accurate and faithful adaptation of Supes to hit the big screen.
lmao

You are thinking in too simple, direct terms. If he'd let you fuck him, it would only be temporary help and then you'd be attached to him emotionally, making your suicidal depression even worse.

What Superman would do is help you find a girlfriend/boyfriend. He'd be your wingman every night at the bar as long there isn't some yearly crossover event taking away his attention.

>That's the exact thing what Superman would have done,
Except he's not superman. He's still learning. Which is why it's called MoS.

It's a bad movie and you should feel bad for liking it.

you should feel bad for having such a bad taste

What a guy

You're not doing it correctly Laurel.

In your heart you know why

Did you just come from Yea Forums old chum? Your lies seem practiced, as expected of a Black Lantern from Pleasantville, it's a little.....dispiriting, Strider Dirk.

Because I thought you a worthy person, reproductive value aside? Oh, I really did have such intriguing plans, but your self hate revealed was a candle lit building next to the tempestuous thrashing newborn mount Vulcan of my chain defense. You had my attraction, too bad about it only working out in your script, murderer. Oh, what a ZA WORLD. Apathy, that's you.

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Cavill was great and Zimmer's score, while a bit minimal and basic, conveyed the perfect emotion. I really like this scene.

Look I get what you're saying but that's not an excuse. They wrote it so that Clark's big inspiring action was in the middle of nowhere. We say say that choice as a bad one for the narrative.
They could've switched which half of the world engine did what, or just had the one in metropolis be the only one, or have it so that taking that one out turns off the other one automatically. There were dozens of options that would've worked better.

Cause they portrayed Superman in a wrong way, fundamentally. At least that's the main reason for comic book fans. That, and the grittiness I guess.
As someone who doesn't care about comic book accuracy that much, I can say that it was easily one of the best superhero movies I've ever seen, and actually made me FEEL something emotionally, which never happens with other superhero movies, save for a few laughs here and there. It spoke to me on a very basic, primal if you will, level and made me appreciate Superman more than almost any other character BECAUSE of the realistic angle this movie had.
I would even go as far as saying that I was inspired by it.
To be fair, the movie is nothing spectacular, not even on a technical level, but obviously some people resonated with it emotionally, and that's often enough to make a good film.

tl;dr I liked Snyder's version of Superman more than the "real" Superman from the comics.

>Why
It was bad?

what emotion is he trying to convey

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2013 was 6 years ago, and still no single apologize mentioned

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>I think the military brings her with them on the helicopter mission and the aliens kidnap her and bring her to their ship or something I can't perfectly remember the scenes. feels manufactured so she has more screentime.

Fair point.
As I said (more slightly), it was far too easy for her to determine his identity. If the Kryptonians didn't have advance sensors on their galaxy traveling space ships, it shouldn't have been as easy for her to get into some of those situations. But I can push that off to the same kind of easy stupid plot device contrivance that ANY movie has. It's not quite on the stupid level of some of the choices they made in BvS or in Civil War.

>you didn't protect a damn thing
If some of the Metropolis elites have to die to save our species then I'm ok with that.

I always find it funny that people that complain about this don't complain about the dcau having the same amount of destruction and on a global scale at times

Literally Disney shills, but that is not to say the movie is not without its flaws. There were many glaring flaws.

Personally, I thought it was pointlessly grim and was heavy handed with its imagery. Yeah, the cgi was pretty neat and the fights were exciting, but the plot was kinda contrived and the characters were all stiff and lifeless.

Zod's death has the sad music and Superman cries- but Zod totally deserves to die.
The climax of the movie falls flat because Zod's death is not a real tragedy.

>Zod's death is not a real tragedy.
It's a real tragedy for Kal. He's forced to choose humanity over his own race in order to stop Zod. Such a huge sacrifice he made when he killed him.

The tragedy is Superman's loss of Innocence, and it's not like this is the first time Zod's been used that way either.

Nah it sucks.

He cares more about having to kill Zod than the half a million dead civilians, he can watch a dozen people get ripped into the world engine without shedding a tear but screams at snapping MegaSuperUltra Hitler's neck

Geez. thanks for the mature commentary there Brainieo.

Don't know honestly, it's probably my favorite superhero movie besides rami spider-man

Boneitis

Because Supes barely knows anything of Krypton and the first people he meets from there end up trying to genocide his adopted world.
Imagine how DCEU's Kal is going to be overprotective and overjoyed when they finally make a Supergirl film.

Oh, if only they'd done Henshaw Mr. Schemmel, then you'd be checking the hallway after turning out the lights for bed.
>[Grandma]

The Supergirl movie made it's point in it's day, lesser special effects and all.

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Eh, it left more to be desired.
The acting and script was way subpar as well and was only riding the coattails of Superman.
I would actually argue that a Girl of Steel's tone shouldn't be as crestfallen as Man of Steel's since Kal is there to guide her from his lessons as Supes.

How is that edgy retard

What are the odds of getting bare mid riff Kara in film?

man of steel? morelikely man of murder

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This is where Billy comes in.

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>because trying to stop it would be a minor inconvenience

Hero on his first day makes a mistake and causes minor collateral damage to the city? Oh no!

>and disinterested with humanity.

Yeah, that's exactly why you witness him saving people before he finds the ship. He's so disinterested in humanity he literally jumps into the water and abandons his job to save people on an oil rig and has to start wandering again until he finds a new job and place to stay.

>He's still learning.

He's not even ATTEMPTING to save people. He gives 0 fucks whatsoever about the destruction his fight is causing, and he makes it worse by punching/throwing/kicking his enemies into buildings. I think he stops to save maybe that one pilot (when the military is still hunting him) during the entire movie.

>. He's forced to choose humanity over his own race
The reason it falls flat is becasue what little connection to anyone Clark has is with other humans. The first kryptonians he meet want him dead, and we're supposed to believe he feels an attachment to them?

>The #1 thing the real Superman would do when fighting in a populated area, is to move the fight away,

Superman in comics fights on the streets and skies of Metropolis all the fucking time. With people near him. You're spouting typical personal head canon character faggotry. And what happens in comics is impossible to do in real life because you can slow down action with each panel which can't be done in moving motion without Superman literally moving so fast you can't see anything.

>He's not even ATTEMPTING to save people.

He literally saves people during the fight with Namek and Faora in Smallville. And tries to fly away to get them to leave the town area but is always prevented and pulled down. And whining about collateral damage in a superhero movie is inane in itself unless you think fights only should have cracked concrete and one busted car on the street when super powered individuals fight with fists.

Literally sets up the introduction of Bruce Wayne and sets up BvS

That's because he knew the world wouldn't be ready for a Superman.
In more ways than one, Clark tried to to be normal but always came down to using his powers.

Did you reply to the wrong post?

Cause its a boring piece of shit

No they werent. IT was two immortal men punching each other for what felt like an hour cause neither showed any damage or sign they were getting worn out. It was the equivalent of smashing two action figures together.

That movie was directed by a kid fucker. That movie wasn't bad but retconned with the new DCEU, not enough Superman saving stuff... Also started another kid fucker as Lex Luthor.

Dialogue was hit or miss. It was still a better Superman portrayal than Man of Emo or whatever.

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Finally the man of murder is doing some good. Fuck Tails and fuck tailsfags.

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>and then we get a kissing scene with Clark and Lois followed with quips
It's the same director with the awful sex scene in Watchmen

This

Forced Ayn Rand ideology.

Thats from porn

For me, i was disappointed it wasn't a film about Stalin.

superman is still superman whether he's "dark" or not

The butchered the characters, removing everything people liked about Superman to chase some dipshit's Randian fantasy about selflessness.

Reminder
>"hurr dur Superman saves no one"
youtu.be/z8EydFeuPK8

>"Hur dur rocky Superman caused destruction on his first day"
youtu.be/NuxPK3pNLUM

BASED

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Political mandate murder is bad. Even less understanding then 20 years ago when gun control a lower priority.

The best things about it (the flight, for example, Cavill's casting) were defeated by other problems, for example, the dialogue and scripting, even though it was limited for his lines and actions, and the direction, given to Cavill), etc. etc.

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Because they have taste

The fact that he had a constant feeling of loneliness, due to being the only alien on earth may have played a factor into that. Even though Zod and the rest are assholes, what else does he have, really? He's also not a warrior like Zod, so having to kill someone in such a brutal way, would take a toll on anyone.

fight - destroy
fight more - destroy more
fight harder - destroy harder
FIGHT HARDER - DESTROY HARDER
FIGHT FUCKING MORE HARDER -- DESTROY FUCKING MORE HARDER
the end

The film, as far as I remember. May got some finer details wrong.

One of the most refreshing takes on Jon's character in a long while.
He looks more to a big picture and wants to protect his only son from a world he knows isn't ready for a Superman.

It's a visual feast
your criticism is shit though

Tfw no gf

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>he literally jumps into the water and abandons his job to save people on an oil rig and has to start wandering again until he finds a new job and place to stay.
I'm baffled by how people completely disregard this sequence despite being the character's proper introduction to us. He saves a bunch of people other had given up on even if it costs him his current lifestyle, and it's more than implied that he had been doing that for years. Lois manages to track him down because he had become an urban legend or cryptid.

They are contrarians because of muh dark