Why doesn’t anyone point out to Superman that there are plenty of beings in the universe that want to kill him...

Why doesn’t anyone point out to Superman that there are plenty of beings in the universe that want to kill him, and that are perfectly capable of lifting his key?

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First they have to find the key.

Those people don’t need the key to break in.

If that tiny key weight half a million tons, wouldnt it plummet to the core of the earth, or have some kind of crazy gravity well around it?

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What's the material of the flooring beneath it made up of so that it can support the weight of half a million tons?

that's what I noticed too, it's wouldn't just leave some tiny little crack on the floor

Is the equivalent of putting a guitar in your bedroom before you bring a girl home so the girl will think you're cool?

Exactly

That being said smashing the crystals around into Hideout be easier and plenty of beings can do it.

I mean it really doesn't matter how strong your front door is when you got windows.

So you’re saying the key is a dorky flex?

Okay, that is actually legit adorable if true

now hold on a moment...

He's pressing the quintillion tons with just one arm.

The sextillion is apparently like a benchpress lift.

How much more can a fit person bench press versus say, a one-armed... whatever you'd call that?

That facility was off planet and he's obviously collapsing it.

Nu52 Superman could uppercut Doomsday so hard that he'd leave our star-system at at Mach 300. Even assuming Doomsday has "evolved" some bullshit way of not vaporizing from the impact, he'd have no way at to prevent himself from "Blasting off again" like Team Rocket.

He's holding the benchpress for 5 days. He holds the lesser weight for a minute? Two?

>We still haven’t found an upper limit
>breaks the machine with a single one handed push the next panel
You’re a retard of you think that was meant as a cap of All Star’s strength and not just what they could measure:

That’s what will never stop frustrating me about Man of Steel. Like, he was immensely powerful and far more in control of his powers than Zod was and the BEST solution was to snap his neck? Jesus wept.

If Snyder was actually the classical egg head he pretends to be he would have had Superman blind Zod and made him into an Oedipus the mad king reference.

Forgive them. They’re probably vs battle retards that can’t understand anything outside of numbers like context.

It’s their autism.

It varies from person to person obviously, but a bench press is going to be around 1.5-1.75x your overhead press, which is what it looks like All Star Superman is doing. A one armed OHP is going to be half your normal OHP, for self-evident reasons. But even then, All Star Superman should only be able to bench around 600-700 quintillion tons. Nu-52 Superman has him beat.

its a super floor, duh.

Oh man and then he’d fly screaming into space and there would be a follow up scene where “we’re watching the skies and we’ll call you at first sight” and ahhhhhhhhhh

Obviously the floor is made out of adimantium.

he hides it under a rock

The numerous savage beatings Zod endured for years from politicians, scientists and librarians had him primed for a Super Saiyan upgrade where he was ALMOST able to overcome a wandering busboy. SO close.

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>200 Quintillion: 200,000,000,000,000,000,000
Even number, literally references the character explaining it.

>5.972 Sextillion: 5,972,000,000,000,000,000,000
Two minutes googling "big numbers wow huge".

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I C E B R E A T H !
It is such an obvious solution.

>not differentiating between a long Quintilian and a short Quintilian

Probably, but Morrison wrote All-Star Superman partly as a send-up of the Silver-Age, which was full of this kind of shit. It's intentionally ridiculous.

Questioning the "science" behind comics gets you nowhere

>t. has no idea how massive earth actually is

>Note that Nu52 Superman is exerting
Lobdell wrote that and it's incontrovertible that he's both an idiot AND a bad writer. Morrison, n the other hand, is a world builder AND writes both intelligently and well

Coyld Superman lift the Pea from the Princess and the Pea? If not there are a few beings steonger than him. Reminder that this pea was strong enough tp support a human twenty mattresses and twenty eider-down beds on top of the mattresses and she felt that fucking pea and it bruised the fuck out of her.

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It ain't about mass, it's about density. There's a reason why centrifuges exist. Just think of those but in reverse. Or continue to be a big dummyhead.

Literally the only reason why the strength limit thing is even referenced in Superman stories is so that he can push beyond it. There’s no other reason to reference it; Superman’s strength has no upper limit. Period.

The floor is made out of the bedrock in Minecraft.

in the silver age, the key was the size of a bus and weighed maybe 50 tons at the most. That's no where near as stupid as the key in the op image.

If Superman is so powerful, why does he have any problems against his villains? He'd be living on easy mode.

I am sure writing comics and manga takes a great deal of autism user. Nothing wrong with applying math to things. Let me guess you went to university for art?

Superman is limited by plot. If the writer say take a fall, Superman will fall.

Nice come back for someone whose eyes skiped “we haven’t found an upper limit” and the entire next panel for the number.

Go watch trains numbermuncher.

The gravity won't be very strong. You wouldn't even notice it at a meter away. You'd basically have to be right next to the key to notice something.

But if you touched it, it would feel like your fingers were stuck to it with ~> 100 lbs of force depending on which pars you were touching.

That's why the stupid power wanking is vapid and stupid.

welcome to comic and manga. Breakfast is at 8, snacks are in the shelf, and the bathroom is down the hall and to the right.

I could've liked the neck snap if Zod was about to fry someone very important to Superman but he does it to save a few random people after thousands just bit the dust during their little battle.

So now when he picks it up, he's weighs half a million tons? Is he countering that weight by levitating or something?

Give me a Superman like the one from STAS, where his power-levels where sensible and his superness came from him being a symbol and the fact he always went that extra mile further despite the risks, than a Superman who's overpowered to the point of ridiculous and his superness is all about how strong he is and how he's capable of anything no matter what.
Specially because i liked Superman's spacesuit that he used to be able to breath and withstand the cold of space whenever he had some space adventures. I had that toy and everything, even.

How is Lois not dead yet when they have sex?

>Dorky
>Door Key

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I don't understand why he would be upset at this. Questioning reality is how we made everything we have today. People believed in Zeus, in time we learned how the weather work, and the parts that make it up.

Obviously batman would pump the tires initially or have alfred/robin do it if he's injured from a BATTLE.

Yes, obliviously. How do you think he lifts things while flying.

But they're not on Earth.

>Give me a DC hero where his power-levels where sensible
DC just doesn't work that way anymore.

Perfect muscle control. He could juggle empty eggshells if he wanted.

>his superness came from him being a symbol and the fact he always went that extra mile further despite the risks
This is always true, overpowered Superman just fights people even more overpowered than he is.

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So if you touched the key your skin/muscles would rip off your fingers? That's a little hardcore for Superman.

>adults should be like kids and just not question all the dumb retarded shit we come up with!

Mainly because it causes powercreep.
>"This guy can go really fast"
>"Well if he goes so fast why doesn't friction burst him into flames?"
>"Um I don't know, I'm a writer not a physicist. He just doesn't?"
>Oh so he just IGNORES Newton's law of equal and opposite reaction?! That's ridiculous! You can't expect us to believe this man could ever be in danger, why did you make a character so overpowered?"
>"It wasn't the original plan"

Luckily Superman can control gravity, but only within his own bio-electrical field.

>But if you touched it, it would feel like your fingers were stuck to it with ~> 100 lbs of force depending on which pars you were touching.
Incorrect, the key is too small to have any kind of gravity on its own while on Earth.

Writers cause powercreep because they’re retarded, not because people ask about it.
>hurr an attosecond lmao isn’t that cool guise???
>wow that’s completely fucking insane mr comicbook writer, how does he ever get beaten if he can witness light moving in ultra mega slow motion?
>iunnolol leave me alone you fucking nerd

lol even i can dig it

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doesn't Superman also lift book with infinity pages? which means he lift infinity weight?

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>200 Quintillion
>5.972 Sextillion
That's nothing, my OC Superhero can lift 659 Septillion pounds and has 23 different superpowers with -3 weaknesses.

Character Writing: Don't do this.

Your character is about as deep as a bowl of soup! And your writing is about as sharp as a soup spoon.

It is crammed into the side of a key
the amount of pressure so much weight would exert focused in such a small surface area would bee unreal, definitely enough to just plummet deep into the earths crust if it hits the ground

Someone post the panel where Alfred is pumping the batmobile's tires.
I think it was in one of the Batman annual comics.

A spoon can be sharp if you sharpen it enough.

if superman that stong... why wont he save smallville ?

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Wouldn't it collapse into a black hole at that density?

nah, it would need to be far far denser for that

For example, a a teaspoon of material from a Neutron star would weight a billion tons, and it's still not a black hole.

He needed help though, so he only lifted half of infinity.

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>-3 weaknesses.
So he gives three weaknesses to his enemies?

Does it need to be that heavy for it to be lifted only by Superman?

You mean all cape comics user.

It's dumb and bullshit.

Supergirl and powergirl could lift it.
Maybe wonderwoman with some effort.
But go to space and you have folks like darkseid, mongul, lobo or brainiac and others that are as strong as supes

What should frustrate you is how that family could have avoided zod's heat vision if they didn't run further into the corner, or tried ducking under while clark had him in the headlock.

I think even a kid would question why would crabs start talking if they didn´t beforehand when it would have been useful.

I feel very smart questioning the logic of really heavy key

For that matter, what would be a sensible speed for the Flash?

Just under super sonic speed.

Yes you moron, he extends his bioaura, thats how he negates the momentum of airplanes or can move the entire planet without colapsing it.

>Complains about escapist fiction being to overly bombastic in power
>No one says or even points the same thing for series like Dragon ball, DMC, or OnePunch-Man.

Anime and manga are allowed to be weird and nonsensical. Cartoons and comics don't.

didnt the professor told skin cancer superman he could lift more but thats all the preassure they could do at that moment?
>your strength has tripled at least and we STILL HAVEN'T FOUND AN UPPER LIMIT

meaning skin cancer superman could still lift way more if he wanted

>DMC

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Most of Superman’s villains have Kryptonite, magic, radiation powers, advanced technology or are as strong as he is.

That doesn't excuse the vapid power-wanking.

The power wanking means nothing. Superman once wore a harness and pulled the entire solar system behind him. His strength has no limit. There’s literally no reason to talk about his strength levels! Good fucking Christ.

That is power-wanking.

No, the series was convergent.

How is it power wanking to point out that his powers are the least important the least interesting part of the character? The point of the key isn’t that it’s as heavy as the sun or whatever, it’s that Superman has a spare key under the welcome mat in front of the fortress of solitude. It means as much to Lois that her husband created the diamond on her engagement ring with his bare hands as if he blew a month’s paycheck on it. You should read the arcs from the nu52 where Superbro lost his powers and his secret identity.

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Hypersonic at his natural max. Sub light speed with treadmill.

Japanese people do question manga. Hell Araki even question his own work, dude is a big fan of science in general.

That's a Lex Luthor from the future right?

can't people just teleport into the fortress?

>How is it power wanking to point out that his powers are the least important the least interesting part of the character?
Because the comics are always making a huge deal about how powerful he is. Just look at this thread. This is empty, vapid power-wanking meant to make Superman look strong and awesome and that not only ends breaking the reality he lives in, but writing the character into a corner.
Even the examples you gave is just grandstanding meant to wank how awesome Superman.

Oh, and i read the arc where Superbro lost his powers and how much he cried over it, to the point where he started to act as a major asshole to Wonder Woman, his girlfriend at time, all because he felt emasculated every time she tried to help and protect him. Then he tried to get it back to the point of endangering himself and others. Even then he wasn't completely without his powers and you had the usual wanking about how Superman is not all about his powers, but totally is, but also not, even though it is.

Writers should try to write the character without constantly on the page about how superior and powerful Superman is.

The ground there is made of comics ground.

All Star is mostly based on Silver Age Superman, where it was a fact he was the strongest hero in the universe.

Note that although during the bronze age Superman got beaten up by Darkseid and some Justice League treats, the Superman/Action comics themselves were fairly standalone and still mostly treated him as invincible outside of light/kryptonite weakness.

Note how surprised the E-1 Kriptonians were in CoIE by how they could actually be wounded in the Anti-Matter Universe.

Superman sometimes feels like Batman Lego, but while that Batman is shown as extremely stupid, self-absorbed, and insecure as a counterpoint to all the bragging, grandstanding, and exaggerated accomplishments, and it is clearly meant to be a comedic take on the character, everything with Superman is supposed to be taken seriously and is actually portrayed as a virtue.

Thou you would basically need to put a piece of neutron star matter on a solid plate the size of a city block to keep it from sinking into the ground at a rate that was even remotely acceptable

Superbro only went to the lengths that he did to get his powers back because he needed them to deal with the threats he was up against, and he did so knowing that what he was doing would kill him. And then he faced that death like a hero. Prior to then, he was doing what he was capable of to protect other people, just like always.

His relationship with Diana was already rocky (they were growing apart) heading into those arcs, and you know what? It really does suck needing to be bailed out of problems by your girlfriend, no matter what, but needing to get your ass pulled out of the fire by your girlfriend when weeks ago you could move the moon? You can’t expect anyone, even Superman, to just take that shit on the chin.

Superbro acted like a little bitch back then. Come on.

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Lobo and Darkseid are beings that defy logic relating to Supes alien physics based capabilites, same with Doomsday who technically defies illogically defying logic beings like the former.

>Superbro only went to the lengths that he did to get his powers back because he needed them to deal with the threats he was up against
So i guess Superman IS indeed about his super-powers.

Retard incel.

But you're not questioning reality. You're doing the opposite.

that's a retarded example. BTAS had an episode about a guy who pumps Batmobile's tires. a better question is: WHEN the fuck does Alfred manage to get any sleep?

Name one (1) superhero story that doesn't contradict reality

That's like saying a soldier is all about their gun.

Not if it's bedrock you can't.

Fuck yank tons, the key produces 5GN just laying there.
Looks like an ordinary key, say 2x5cm large, or 0.001 square meters.
Its pressure against the ground is 5TPa.

It should be eating itself through the ground one way or the other.

Okay, you go fight Hank Henshaw and Mongul II, at the same time, without any super powers. See how you fair.

Dude, again, all things aside, these characters are still supposed to come off as people and you cannot expect anyone to go through what he did and not feel at least a little shitty about it. Give the poor guy a break.

Well how else is War supposed to work as a purpose.

Like, I’m sorry, but I don’t get why this is supposed to be a negative for Superbro. Like, as the name implies, he’s still in his mid-twenties, this isn’t the seasoned Superman that’s faced down multiple Crises, Superbro didn’t even have a secure job at the Daily Planet yet. He’s not perfect, and you can’t expect him to not feel the heavier punches that he receives. Superman is always at his most interesting when he meets obstacles that even he can’t surmount.

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Do you feel gravity when you stand next to an aircraft carrier? Gravity does some freaky shit but at the end of the day it's still the weakest force in the universe

>ome kind of crazy gravity well
I did a quick approximation, 24N of pull if you're half a meter away. I suspect it would feel a lot like a little magnet for your body, with a strong pull right next to it but an unnoticeable pull a dozen feet away.

>Man who built his career on trying to create pseudo-scientific explanations for run of the mill comic shit by invoking quantum mechanics is going to lecture others on not overthinking fiction
Glass houses Morrison

>not showing your work

my brother's the admin I can do what I want

Eh. The moment anyone picks up the key, it'll turn out he was somehow immune to any dangers it might bring about because of some new aspect of his ever-growing infinite powers.

No, that's just poorly thought out and written fan fiction (probably by a Cereal Lord stan)