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its cause he's in shock dumbass

No the writers are

So incompetent that the First Order went from imperial remnants on the outskirts of the Outer Rim with barely any planets or resources to a massive military force capable of huge weapons like the Starkiller base and the Supremacy just because the new Republic couldn't be bothered to watch them or try to wipe them out for good.

Snoke had a lot of money and just bought a lot of military equipment. That’s why the stupid casino planet was mentioned in the last Jedi.

Is ANYONE watching this show? I'm not. My sister has young kids but I don't think they're watching it, either.

This just raises further questions about Snoke I bet they will never answer, the fucker could bankroll a galactic power out of his own wallet, that's insane.

this show was destined to fail

So were you, but let's enjoy the ride anyway.

Probably wants him to throw a tantrum and get busted or throw a tantrum and start busting troopers.

They had to be, or else Lucasfilm couldn't do Rebels vs. Imperials, Round 2 for the sequels.

Even in the EU they were incompetent, look at how badly that Bothan faggot fucked everything up.

I do.

Woof so they'll have like forty people to their "Rebels" then?

As currently written, yeah pretty blatantly. Hopefully some writers with actual talent will bully the storygroup into letting them retcon the dumber shit down the road.

Imagine tying your ego to a boring show for young children.

Feyd Rautha was a patriot, he was just also a Bothan and therefore a sniveling sneak by nature.

God that looks bad

At least they were dealing with actual big shit like the Yuuzhan Vong, not a handful of Imps that they somehow let grow into a galaxy conquering force

This shit just makes it seem like the entire galaxy only consists of a dozen planets

The worst that Fey'lya's incompetence did was cost the New Republic Coruscant. Even then, the NR setup in a new capital and then proceeded to reorganise their government, military and industry and then kick the Vong's shit in. They didn't completely collapse offscreen and no one in the galaxy gave a shit like the Nu Republic.

The spice must flow

>So incompetent that the First Order went from imperial remnants on the outskirts of the Outer Rim with barely any planets or resources to a massive military force capable of huge weapons like the Starkiller base and the Supremacy

To be fair, The First Order are not much more competent. They literally lost both of their biggest guns and their leader almost practically in the same day.

>somehow convert and entire planet into a superweapon in less than 30 years
>somehow build starships even bigger than Palpatine had
>their planet-weapon gets destroyed with who could even know how many personnel, their supreme leader dies and their flagship is wrecked
>somehow they're still taking over the galaxy

It's legitimate actual fucking bullshit. You can't have a fringe group like the first order suddenly have more and better equipment than the Empire at its height, all in 30 years, without anyone noticing

This isn't Hitler revolutionizing the Third Reich into a real player after the Weimar shitshow, this is the First Order legitimately pulling bullshit out of thin air to justify this retarded empire vs rebels retread

One of the recent episodes of Resistance strongly implied that the First Order have more ships than the New Republic. And that is ignoring Starkiller Base.

Sequel Trilogy canon is such a fucking joke. It's basically stated in some of the novels that the FO is basically a small radical milita, they have like two or three ships where recruits are trained. They have so few recruits that all training is supervised by like three officers. Then suddenly they have more ships than the New Republic? How the fuck does that make any sense.

First Order are literally Saturday Morning Cartoon tier villains.

They have whatever they need to offer a threat to the heroes in any given story. Infinite supply of mooks, infinite ships and mechs, infinite supplies. It makes no sense at all in the lore, but Disney just doesn't give a shit.

If the proven-retards leading the new republic had a military drawdown for some retarded reason then yeah maybe the First Order could have something approaching more, or at least better ships

But I still absolutely REFUSE to believe that they're able to present enough ships and soldiers to actually gain control of the galaxy, not after starkiller blew up, not after holdo annihilated almost an entire fleet

It's just incredibly dumb. I know Star Wars isn't hard sci-fi by any means, it's basically just space fantasy, but Clone Wars offered a pretty "realistic" scope to the war, it felt like the war was really raging on thousands of different fronts; rebels also presented a very intimidating view of how big the empire is, with dozens of unique characters and planets being introduced to show you that there's way more going on than what we see in the movies.

And then the First Order appears to be extremely small in comparison, they have like two or three leading officers in the entire army, but somehow they're as big if not bigger than the empire at its height? That is major bullshit, even if you just turn off your brain; it really harms the suspension of disbelief.

I want to say yes...
But at least the NuRepublic isn't dumping all their resources on a planet-sized lazer beem that essentially fucks up a galaxy's entire economy by creating money-blackholes via hitting the delete button on billions if not trillions of lives, destroying various industries, scattering innumerable usable resources, and removing workplace talents and sources of skilled labor and intellectuals.

NOT TO FUCKING MENTION the fact that there's a finite amount of livable rocks people can build cities on, and they hit the big fuck you on them, destroying even the small chance of making habitats and just turning them into asteroid fields.

Who on the empire thought this was a good idea? I mean sure, keep it for a fear tactic. But wave to the Republic and use it on some unimportant worlds. Or maybe on military bases and moons rather than SOURCES OF FUCKING INCOME, RESOURCES, AND HUMAN/ALIEN LABOR

The best equivalent I can think of is if... The Nazi's after conquering France and setting up a puppet state. EXCEPT, instead of establishing control and managing their new resources to help fund their conquest and secure fronts... They set fire to every fucking thing from the Belgium Border to the Spanish Border and made it 100% muddy/ashen no man's land.

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Didn't you know, the Unknown Regions infrastructure is second to none. Every single planet is either a fully developed agriworld, industrial planets or is so resource rich that there is more iron than dirt in the ground

Even Karen Traviss' moronic

>Only a million clones

Figure would be more than enough to wipe the first order and resistance, just on principle of not being pants on head retards. I miss the clones, nigga

Honestly? Best Star Wars canon and series has always been Star Wars The Clone Wars.

With a tip of the hat to KOTOR but that's my heavy-lenses rose-tinted nostalgia glasses obscuring my vision.

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>Lucasfilm
That was all JJ. You can tell how pissed they were about it too, when you look at what happens in TLJ. It was all a giant 'Fuck you' to him and then he gets brought back in. The saddest part is, he doesn't even care, which was obvious from the start. So they shot themselves in the foot for no reason.

The thing I hated most about Starkiller base was how unimaginative it was. Literally just a longer ranged multi-shot Death Star but bigger.
At least the EU imp super weapons they came up with were creative if dumb like the Sun Crusher.

Lemme walk that back actually

The GAR was a professional army of the highest caliber for an out and out galactic slugfest, of course they'd wipe

Just make it the 4,982 Commandos that died on Geonosis, then they'd be extra fucked

God IX is going to be a disaster. Between JJ trying to set shit up in TFA, Rian throwing all that out and shitting on it in TLJ, the fucking story is such a mess.

I hope they just admit they fucked up and make the ST not canon. There is no way in any universe they are going to salvage this.

they already threw out the EU for this shit, they can't walk that back and toss it in the trash too

H-Hey Yea Forums?

Star Wars was almost never good, was it?
In hindsight, the original was only great because it was doing something new compared to other movies at the time. It can only pass as good or above average in all of movie history.

Then the Prequels came out, and except for some choice scenes it was bad...
Then we got all the spin offs that no one really read or cared much about. I recall one where Han and Chewbaca were on a zombie infested Star Destroyed.

The games were probably some of the better ones. But for every one or two good star wars games there was four or five shit tier ones. And the series... can only really say Clone Wars was great most of the time.

Why do we celebrate Star Wars so much? Is it because the companies force the hype on it and this is all artificial love we have for it?

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Honestly I just ignore everything post Return. It's a fitting end to it all. At least we got Rebels and the Vader comics.

It's a shame about the entire fucking decade of shit video games, though. Star Wars vidya used to be the tightest fucking shit.

Those are some high octane shit opinions right there, my guy.

I think the best we can hope for is that either they come up with good side stories set in the sequel era to make up for the films themselves, or just put less focus on it and go back to the original and prequel eras, perhaps even going further back. Whether out of pride or necessity, I doubt they're going to strike the ST from canon.

It hurts knowing the last “good” Star Wars game before EA took over the license was that dancing Kinect one.

>give EA exclusive rights

>they'll make maybe four games in ten years

why does the Mouse hate us so much

>animation is terrible
>totally joke character from the movies is serious now
Why should I watch this series again?

>Battlefront 1/2
>KOTOR 1/2
>Republic Commando
>unironically Lego Starwars
>Empire at War
>TOR (surprisingly. Still was fun despite MMORPG being typical shit)

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>serious now
>now
It's literally a redraw of his speech from the first movie

I have no idea what they were thinking. They have the perfect opportunity to make some fucking sick games that expand the new canon, and they just... make generic multiplayer shooters that just rehash nostalgia baiting content over and over.

And it's not like they didn't have the means to, they ACTIVELY went and CANCELLED a bunch of interesting projects just because.

1313 and the Darth Maul games especially looked pretty fucking cool.

This is definitely the way they are going. They might flesh out the 30 year gap, but anything else is going to be OT, PT and hopefully OR or Hyperspace Wars. I would love to see the new imaginings of the past. New canon aesthetics are top notch.

They’ve literally cancelled more SW games than they’ve put out.
I wouldn’t be fucking surprised if they suddenly cancel Jedi Fallen Order next.

>unironically Lego Starwars
My fucking negro. I was hyped as fuck when I heard the first game was coming out, I was a lego kid and a a huge prequel era fan. When that game came out I played it literally every day after school for months, just collecting everything and fucking around in the cantina starting huge fights.

Also the 90s games were super tight too, X-Wing/Tie Fighter, Dark Forces and Jedi Knight, the SNES games; Star Wars vidya library is a fucking gold mine.

>I would love to see the new imaginings of the past
The only people I would let get near Old Republic shit are Dave Filoni and the CW/Rebels team, and the actual KOTOR team. I don't want Disney fucking up Old Republic lore.

'Tis the dream.

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Canon when?

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I’m amazed at how well they managed to turn TOR around, when it launched it was so fucking buggy since they chose to use some alpha version of a game engine.
But now it makes them mad money thanks to preying on whales for cosmetics.

I was so sure that the new animated series was going to be set int he old republic. The way Filoni talked about it, about how they were going back to Clone Wars style of big battles and war stories, I was 100% sure it was going to be Old Republic stuff.

Why have you forsaken me, you beautiful cowboy.

My one hope is that once the team finishes working on the new CW season, Resistance gets cancelled and they get to working on something good again.

Which ones?

The entire thing, really. Do you think Star Wars fans are just pretending? That people are just like "oh well, it's not that good but I'll just devote my entire life to being a huge nerd about it anyways"

We actually really like this shit and think it's pretty great. If you don't quite get it, that's fine, maybe it's not your cup of tea, but don't go saying shit like "huh it was never really good was it" because that's fucking dumb.

The True Sith race made no fucking sense. Even in old canon it was a tad ridiculous. I'm fine with the species, but the lore can go.

That part from Big Enough, but it's Filoni in the sky and instead of Jimmy Barnes screaming it's tie fighter sounds.

Well, yeah and is it really surprising? The new republic was built by the rebels who the only reason why they won against the empire was because Vader had a change of heart. The new republic was doomed from the start.

I think you're onto something because Big Enough with [star wars noise] was my first thought as well when I saw it

ironically the perfect tactic in stellaris mp

He will introduce new waifus
And he will kill them

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>In the EU they struggle for some years against the Imperial remnant with many surprises and roadblocks

>in the NuCanon they just win because Palpatine decided to make the Empire lose on purpose after he dies, the Empire is out and out defeated at Jakku a single fucking year after Endor and then the NuRepublic just spends thirty years drooling with their thumbs up their asses

And the resistance isn't any less incompetent. The entire galaxy is freaking doomed no matter who is the winner.

1 year after episode 6, Rae Sloane, the closest thing we'll get to an imperial protagonist because Disney are fucking hacks, angry at Empire fans, and have made the nuCanon an unapologetic rebelwank(going as far as destroying the New Republic just so they can rebelwank some more) --- Rae Sloane ends up co-leading the Imperial Remnant into the Unknown Regions. Everything after that point until the FO reasserts itself close to a generation later is known. We're 2/3 movies in and because of RJ's hacker we barely get a proper explanation of the universe after the timeskip, how the shattered remnants of a declining Empire could become the dominant force in the galaxy

>NuRepublic just spends thirty years drooling with their thumbs up their asses
To be fair, they did reinstate the senate.

Also Sheev rigging the Empire to self destruct without him, was one of the few things the story group did to explain TFA retardation that made sense. It's completely in character and I love it.

If Disney hadn't attempted to murder the EU years earlier, they could have easily pulled some bullshit excuse that wouldn't have fucked everything up
>Lol, Iokath.
>Lol, Star Forge
There, that's it, you've solved the plot writers. If you're so determined to retrofit the Imperial Remnant, the underdog, into an expansive Empire 2.0, all you needed was to resurrect the EU. But Disney is too fucking prideful for that course of action to be taken, no they hired a shitty fart fetishist to worldbuild for them

A important question is why the FO would accept Snoke as their leader. The Empire disliked aliens and almost no one knew that Palpatine was a space wizard

>Sheev rigging the Empire to self destruct without
So did Hitler, and his generals ignored the order

You underestimate the power of the Dark Side and Sheev's adorableness.

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TFA wasn't bad, and it was only until TLJ did Rian Johnson and Lucasfilm retcon TFA so that those 5 planets were the entirety of the New Republic.

Lucasfilm, Pablo Hidalgo, KK----they all keep attacking fans of the EU and Old Republic era content to this day, they're toxic as fuck and Disney/Iger just allows this. TLJ decided to spite TFA and all of the fans for the sake of subversion, it's disappointing

>The Empire disliked aliens
That is still old canon no matter how much that cuck Wendig forced it.

Fair. If this guy asked me, i could never say no

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Man, it's must be hard to hard to be a citizen in the GFFA. No matter who win, you lose.

TCW is the only one to literally have actual star wars. everything else is just a technicality.

No, they can. They absolutely can, and they'd win a lot of support from burned fans that way. Disney can come out tomorrow and say "Oopsie, forget everything we told you before! The sequels are in a "Dark Force" timeline, and the EU has been canon this whole time in the main timeline! He's some more Thrawn/Ezra adventures in a bonus season of the series!"

Companies admitting they fucked up is respectable

I was going to counterpoint some of your argument, but then you used that word. Now I know I'm wasting my breath.

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I think the only time where the galaxy was good to live in was before the clone wars because they had a semi competent government.

What a tragedy, my disappointment is immeasurable.

What would be the best/safest planet to live on in Star Wars?

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In the Core Worlds, sure...

Ehhh

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Coruscant is the exception to everything.

>Grandpa Sheev

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You expected a logical story? SUBVERTED

Dunno about anyone else, but I'd like to live on Naboo. It's hands down one of the comfiest planets we've seen in Star Wars.

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Yeah, but they only suffered from internal problems and local conflict, not a galaxy wide threat and completely incompetent republic. Things weren't perfect, but still much better than what they have now.

god the animation in this is so shit. fuck disney for sending this to polygon pictures. they are incompetent animators.

EU Mandalore

Live with the Skiratas or some other chill clan and maybe find a Null husbando after they work out the anti-aging cure

Naboo probably is one of the best places to live, all things considered.

Is there any white guy in this cartoon who isn't a villain?

Kaz he don"t even know his own planet ..
just imagine see earth blow up and someone ask .. what planet is that!

And yet Disney expects us to root for the good guys in their attempts to restore the republic. Who in their right mind would want to join the NEW new republic, or even a new jedi order for that matter? Both systems completely collapsed at the first sign of adversity..

Resetting everything to empire vs rebels didn't just make the old story meaningless, it puts a stink over this story too. Why's it gonna matter this time?

Considering how awful the quality was on that transmission I don’t blame him

>literally no one answers Leia’s call
>we’re supposed to believe the galaxy is too scared of the FO
>The Galaxy just collectively decided to ignore both groups and go on with their lives while maybe a few thousand people total at this point have their slap fight, leaving behind their legacy of being tied up in pointless conflicts between tiny groups that don’t concern them

Now that would be a good note to end things on

>Who in their right mind would want to join the NEW new republic, or even a new jedi order for that matter?

Because, despite both having a pretty bad end, they both worked for an entire millennia. Before that, as far as we know, nothing lasted as long. Can you really begrudge people for wanting to go back to the things that offered the best balance of security, order and freedom that their history has ever known?

>literally no one answers Leia’s call
And what if they answered? It's not like help could show up in the 30 minutes it would take the FO to kill everyone on Not-Hoth

Who's to say? Space lasers can zap across the galaxy to blast planets in the heart of the New Republic from the FO's backwater in seconds and hyperspace seems to have no clear rules

The only reason no one could show up in time would be because they wanted the not-rebels to be trapped and alone

I do

They cross the galaxy in less than half a day

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In both fucking movies

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>General organ knows a single victory does not win a war

That's fucking hilarious, given that's exactly what happened

It would have been great if someone DID answer Leia's distress call only to turn out to be opportunists there to destroy both sides

People in the ST wouldn't remember the republic or jedi order from the prequels, they would remember the shitty post-ROTJ versions that blew up on the launchpad.

Think of when it comes time to rebuild after the first order is inevitably defeated:
>Hey we're rebuilding the republic are you in?
>What's in it for us? What did the republic do to keep the galaxy safe last time?
>well....uh....um....

This trash is still on? What illogical stuff have they thrown into it? And is there damage control for the ST in it?

You would think the Resistance base would be close to the FO, or at least btween them and the NR, but no, they are hiding behind the NR

>Canto Bight is an artificial coastal city on a DESERT PLANET

FOR LITERALLY WHAT PURPOSE. JUST BUILD YOUR RESORT ON A PLANET THAT ISN'T NATURALLY NOTHING BUT FUCKING SAND

>People in the ST wouldn't remember the republic or jedi order from the prequels, they would remember the shitty post-ROTJ versions that blew up on the launchpad.

Are you talking about people in-universe, or the audience? Because I was talking about the former.

The people in universe, look at his greentexted portion

Why are you even surprised at this point? The only reason the Nu Republic even exists is because Disney has to have some token acknowledgement that the good guys won in the OT. Everything we know lore wise about the Nu Republic has been contrived to make them appear as braindead and incompetent as possible so Disney can sweep them aside as quickly as possible so it can get back to rehashing Rebels versus Empire again.

How can any organization be competent now that Star Wars is a setting where everyone has access to RKVs and any random asshole can build a weapon that can one-shot entire systems?

I can't help but think that one of the reasons why the New Republic and the New Jedi Order were wiped out so quickly in the Disney canon is so that the sequel trilogy can end with the new generation of heroes reforming both of them and getting it "right" this time.

That was the entire point of the first six movies

Yea its Palpatine home planet and Vader has an emotional connection to it. So double chance to be left alone.

>not even any porn of this show
Star Wars must really be dead.

I wouldn't mind this direction.

We'd learn that there was a fork in the timeline somewhere after the Battle of Endor. One fork led to the Legends EU (which is gonna be hard because Bakura happens a day after). One fork leads to the shitST. And then they'd have a third one that leads to the new, revamped Sequel Era.

Yeah, and on top of that your average moviegoer isn't going to care about anything outside of the movies. They just want more nostalgia fuel.

I'll be honest, this show has been growing on me, more than the Disney movies in fact.
I think I'm gonna keep watching it

Honestly the more I think about it the more Starkiller base as a concept is just retarded. The Death Star is also stupid, but you could at least justify its existence in that apparently it could just be the equivalent of being a nuke if you power it down enough according to Rogue One. Star Killer base apparently destroyed Stars, which in turns destroys entire galaxies plus the planets they are aiming at. There are such a small amount of habitable planets in the galaxy that there can only be a bullshit explanation as to why not all habitable planets are destroyed at this point.

Coruscant, I believe. The bad guys don't want to destroy Coruscant. They want to take it over. So the best planets to be would be the ones the bad guys don't want to destroy in the first place. Unfortunately, that's a huge guess at this point, because not even the Empire's own planets are safe from having the possibility of being destroyed by the Empire according to Battlefront 2 EA.

I keep hoping they'll leave the fucking colossus. But apparently that hope is just plane dashed at this point after it was just confirmed that the colossus is a giant space station that just happens to be floating on an ocean planet. That means they'll probably have the station go out into space after season 1. God, the colossus is so fucking boring.

Also, the topic of whether or not the First Order is evil is retarded. The argument could be held for the Empire, but the Empire didn't literally kidnap and routinely brainwash its own soldiers.

>The argument could be held for the Empire

Weeeeell, I think you could argue the Empire isn't COMPLETELY evil as even with the shit it did with places like Lothal it was probably an improvement over the Clone War days

But if you look at the top of the chain, Vader, Sidious, Tarkin and the like, it's pretty hard to claim it's not a pretty fucked up crowd running the show. There were more decent sorts lower on the rung but still, lots of unpleasant business

This is hilariously nostalgic and idiotic.

Episode 7 (despite it's story being the weakest part) was a good soft reboot after three fundamentally flawed movies.

Episode 8 was a fine movie with a few poorly executed scenes

The EU in general was a giant pile of hot garbage that was written by shitty fanboys who just wanted the entire Star Wars universe to turn into an anime.

People forget that the Prequels and their logic was the entire reason George Lucas sold Star Wars and Lucasfilm to Disney.

And before you say "I'm some sort of Disney Shill" or something, I do believe that the Thrawn Trilogy should be rebooted back into the NU Canon as a Live action TV series.

I also believe that the original KOTOR should be made into a trilogy of movies with the necessary changes and KOTOR 2 should be a cartoon series like the Clone Wars.

The rest of the EU should die in a dumpster fire due to how shitty and terrible it all was.

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Every time I think of "The Resistance" I think of crazed lunatics and bots on twitter.

You're right. I was going to say on the whole it "could" be argued that the Empire wasn't evil. But the Death Star, the Emperor, and Vader were obviously evil. Which is a pretty black spot considering they're running the show. I don't think Tarkin is evil though. He's just kind of a good general. He's a gun, which is only as bad as whoever weilds him.

But the First Order is literally just all bad. The first thing they do to introduce themselves to the galaxy is destroy a galaxy and four or so planets with massive populations on them. Most if not all of their soldiers are kidnapped or human harvested children brainwashed into working for them. Not to mention, they're run by two completely incompetent goons; Kylo and Hux. The only threatening figure they had was Snoke. Now he's dead though, and I'm genually astounded that somehow they managed to take over the galaxy between TFA and TLJ, and probably accrued even more power after TLJ.

They're so bad that not even ex Empire veterans in Resistance want to put in with their lot. The First Order are the losers of the Empire but only given power by bullshit reasons that will never ever be fully explained.

I enjoyed the prequels far more than the sequels. And I think that retroactively the sequels have made fans of the franchise look bad at the prequels with more fondness.

>episode 8 was a fine movie
Retard alert!

>I don't think Tarkin is evil though
>nukes Alderaan just as a random show of force for no worthwhile reason

The Empire are intentionally cartoonish pulp villains, you might as well try and argue that Ming The Merciless had some good tax policies.

>He's just kind of a good general. He's a gun, which is only as bad as whoever weilds him.

Yeah, because "I was only following orders" worked out so well at Nuremberg.

Not that guy, but the Empire in the OT wasn't explained in the OT though.

"For a thousand Generations, the Jedi protected the old Republic, till the Dark Times. Till the Empire. Now we are all but extinct"

The only reason you know that explanation about the Empire NOW is that 15 years after RotJ, George Lucas made TPM. It took 15 years to get that answer and the OT could stand on it's own for years.

People are forgetting about how the OT was written BEFORE the Prequels were a thing.

Is that the reason why Episode 7 made 2 billion dollars and Episode 8 made 1.3 billion dollars.

You would think those numbers would be lower given how even with adjusting for inflation the prequels have not made enough money to overshadow them.

I'm just saying that people are trying to revise history over the Star Wars Prequels and forgetting about how the Prequels were the entire reason the entire franchise and Lucasfilm was sold to Disney.

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>forgetting that Solo lost money as a direct result of ep 8
>ep 8 had the largest dropoff from opening weekend
You must have at least a triple digit IQ to post here

It might be even worse than that.
From what i have heard others say, 1/4-1/3 of the NR senate secretly supports the FO. These senators should be at the NR capitol, and do you think the FO would risk sending a warning that they were gonna blow up the planet?

Episode 8 didn't cause Solo to bomb smart one. Solo failed because it was about a guy we have seen for 4 films and is dead.

We all know that Harrison Ford didn't want to play Han and wanted him dead since Empire.

The reason Rogue One made money was because it was about a major event (the Death Star Plans) and about new characters. Solo's failure was that it was a movie that was completely pointless from beginning to end.

If this was the first movie about KOTOR, people would have run into the theaters due to it being about a specific event.

I dunno, I'll venture that the prequels are a functional through-line that lead into the original trilogy despite weird curve balls like Midi-Chlorians

The sequels haven't taken us anywhere, but have depended on a string of contrivances to keep the galaxy in almost the exact same state as ANH despite very nearly just as much time passing as elapsed during the OT and Prequels

>I'm just saying that people are trying to revise history over the Star Wars Prequels and forgetting about how the Prequels were the entire reason the entire franchise and Lucasfilm was sold to Disney.

There's no point dude, the ST has bred a feverish cult of Lucas apologists that will defend literally every decision that he made just because it wasn't Disney and the PT doesn't star primarily minorities.

It used to be even the PT apologists would admit that George's dialogue was bad and Jar-Jar was a mistake but now they have to triple-down on every single thing he did so they can live in the fantasy world where his version of of 7, 8 and 9 would somehow have been better then what we've gotten.

It's basically every paper about how extreme pop culture fandom is no different from actual cultism made real.

>not even addressing the second point
The disney damage control is getting more obvious

> Not that guy, but the Empire in the OT wasn't explained in the OT though.

Not an excuse, because when the first movies came out there was no history at all to draw from, so it didn't matter that the Empire wasn't explained as to how it got into power. It didn't need an explanation. But the ST is different because there is HISTORY to draw from regarding the universe now. In order to give the First Order the power it has you have to actively pull incredible mental gymnastics in order to find any sort of justification.

>Is that the reason why Episode 7 made 2 billion dollars and Episode 8 made 1.3 billion dollars.
Literally made that money because of Star Wars brand name and also using Luke as a way to get nostalgia fags in. Besides, using success as a way to dismissing criticism is stupid. It's a shit movie with tons, and tons of plot holes. You're a stupid moron.

Actually, Solo lost money because Mole People were attacking people who went to see it. And let's not forget the solar eclipse that ended up blinding half the worlds population

>7, 8 and 9 would somehow have been better then what we've gotten

I reckon they would have been

>There's no point dude, the ST has bred a feverish cult of Lucas apologists that will defend literally every decision that he made just because it wasn't Disney and the PT doesn't star primarily minorities.

You're retarded. Samuel L Jackson is not a prominent black celebrity? The guy who played Jango Fett is clearly not white too. In fact, the PT had more aliens than the goddamn ST. There's not a single notable aliens in the entire ST. That feels less diverse than the PT.

The PT at least tried doing something other than rerunning the same goddamn plot, and had far more creative designs and expanded the fuckin universe. Plus, while the PT was going we had fantastic games because of the clone Wars such as Republic Commando, KoToR, and Bounty Hunter. Then it also gave as the Clone Wars tv show, which is perhaps the best tv show Star Wars will ever have. Everything is family friendly kiddy shit since Disney took over.

>functional through-line

There are plenty of moments where the OT would never have happened if the Jedi were competent

>Jedi are told about a Sith that has infiltrated the Senate and yet do nothing. Gungan gives emergency powers to Palpatine

>Anakin begs for help to save Padme, Yoda brushes him off and he goes to the Sith instead

>Anakin has red flags popping up all over the place. Nobody does anything to help his emotional imbalancements

And I'm not going to count the Clone Wars cartoon into all of this.

Except the movies were designed to have simple explanations which never went into depth. the PT caused major problems by overexplaining it.

Do you want to go back to that over explaination again?

I'm pointing out that people wouldn't have bothered even going see Episode 8 (the THIRD live action Star Wars movie) if said movie was extremely under welming. Even with a major start in ticket sales, those sales would never have reached a billion dollars.

I have no idea how you look at how the PT looks and how the actors are directed and the dialogue they have to say and think this. I just don't.

>two random side characters
>one of which is called-out specifically by fans because he's played by a great actor but he's given nothing to do for three movies except a disappointing fight scene in AOTC and then die in ROTS

bravo george

>I'm pointing out that people wouldn't have bothered even going see Episode 8 (the THIRD live action Star Wars movie) if said movie was extremely under welming

TLJ made less then TFA because the new car smell of Star Wars Is Back wore off and less people went to see it. TLJ could have been two hours of exactly what these people wanted and it still would have made less, the excitement over new star wars that would have brought so many eyes over was done.

>Except the movies were designed to have simple explanations which never went into depth. the PT caused major problems by overexplaining it.

Absolutely retarded excuse and I won't even bother debating it since it's not even an argument. It's your own personal headcanon that has no evidence backing it up.

>I'm pointing out that people wouldn't have bothered even going see Episode 8 (the THIRD live action Star Wars movie) if said movie was extremely under welming.
The Disney drones will buy anything Disney likes. Even the worst Disney movies make back its budget with a very few extremely rare exceptions. I think the only Disney movie that's actually flopped at all in the recent years is a Wrinkle in Time, and that didn't have any advertising or a historical franchise backing it up. Solo flopped because TLJ killed all momentum for Disney Star Wars going forward.

>Solo flopped because TLJ killed all momentum for Disney Star Wars going forward.

Solo flopped because nobody wanted a Han Solo prequel movie. That has nothing to do with TLJ, even before that movie came out people were saying that Solo was a mistake and they had no interest in a Han movie that doesn't star Ford.

>>two random side characters
>one of which is called-out specifically by fans because he's played by a great actor but he's given nothing to do for three movies except a disappointing fight scene in AOTC and then die in ROTS

And yet he's still remembered far more fondly than any of the "diverse" characters in TFA or TLJ Bravo Disney. You wasted your time.

>Jedi are told about a Sith that has infiltrated the Senate and yet do nothing. Gungan gives emergency powers to Palpatine
What COULD they do? Start an inquisition and start ransacking the homes of senators for sith memorabilia? That would have done even more to play into Palpatine's plans to portray them as power hungry zealots trying to overthrow the legitimate government. Anyone could have made the motion to give the chancellor emergency powers, and if they hadn't the Confederacy would have launched their attack and forced the Republic into an emergency to utilize the GAR anyways

>Anakin begs for help to save Padme, Yoda brushes him off
Literally when

>>Anakin has red flags popping up all over the place. Nobody does anything to help his emotional imbalancements
The Jedi were distracted by the war, Anakin didn't allow himself to be reined in easily, and they had the Chosen One prophecy convincing them things would turn out right with him

It's an integral part of the story that the Jedi are too complacent to realize Palpatine was right under their nose until it was too late. It makes sense how they were manipulated into going along with his plans

Luke getting a tiny whiff of the dark side in Ben and deciding to try to murder him is a fucking COMPLETE 180 in his character. The First Order building something ten times the size of the first death star with a tiny fraction of the territory in so little time is bullshit. Snoke being some literal who that just happened to be waiting where the Contingency forces would arrive to become Sidious 2.0 is baloney.

>Solo flopped because nobody wanted a Han Solo prequel movie. That has nothing to do with TLJ, even before that movie came out people were saying that Solo was a mistake and they had no interest in a Han movie that doesn't star Ford.
If you don't think fan reception didn't have anything to do with how well Solo did at all, then you're plane delusional because TLJ isn't good and most people are in agreement with that. And literally only Disney drones are even attempting to change that narrative still. The current most widely accepte narrative, because it's true, is that TLJ has huge glaring issues, as does TFA. Disney hasn't really made a decent Star Wars at all. And the most positively recieved, TFA, literally just copies plot points from ANH which nobody fucking wanted.

>I have no idea how you look at how the PT looks and how the actors are directed and the dialogue they have to say and think this. I just don't.

Explain. And don't just say >hur hur Jar Jar was stoopid and Hayden was a bad acturr

1. ACTUALLY INVESTIGATING INTO THE FACT THAT THE SITH IS IN THE SENATE

2. Episode 3. There is a scene where that happens

3. The Jedi were not distracted during Episode 1-2. They even sensed this.

You are making excuses for thing that are considered competent responses.

AOTC and ROTS are filmed on god-awful digital backgrounds that look like screensavers with actors poorly matted in, Lucas directs every actor to deliver their dialogue in the same sleepy monotone regardless of the scene or context, and the dialogue is so bad that it's been rightfully been made fun of ever since the films came out, there's not a single conversation with a natural flow to it.

It doesn't matter what I say though, you'll just say that I'm copying Plinkett's arguments and say that makes my points irrelevant.

For all of JJ's faults, he can it least direct actors and the movies are filmed at actual locations instead of sticking people in front of greenscreen backgrounds for 2 hours that have aged like milk.

>1. ACTUALLY INVESTIGATING INTO THE FACT THAT THE SITH IS IN THE SENATE
Apart from the thing about HOW they're supposed to investigate the senate without being called out for it, they didn't know anything was amiss until Dooku revealed it, and then the war was in full swing

>2. Episode 3. There is a scene where that happens
Evidently I don't know what scene this is. Remind me

3. The Jedi were not distracted during Episode 1-2. They even sensed this.
Before the real shit started at the end of AoTC Anakin wasn't even showing much in the way of alarming signs. Up until he killed the tusken raiders all he'd been was hotheaded, a little disobedient and had a bit of a fixation on Padme. And Obi-Wan WAS trying to mentor him through these stages. During the war he became a full knight, not under direct tutelage of his master

Yep but Disney gives zero fucks

My thoughts weren't on the visual side of things. I think the only credit I tend to give the new movies is that they do make the effort to use practical effects. Unfortunately I say that same finesse doesn't make its way into the story and actual characters

If the Prequels are the oversized cgi boner, the OT has been the tiny marble penor you see at the museum. They tried to be bigger than ever, with bigger ships, bigger battle stations, but the galaxy feels smaller than ever

1. There are plenty of Jedi who could have made an investigation on the backgrounds and history of the Senate.

2. Anakin goes to Yoda asking for help. They are both sitting in that room where Yoda, Mace Windu and Obi Wan meditate. Anakin states he saw a vision of someone he cared about die and needs help to prevent it. Yoda responds by telling Anakin to "let go of such connections and that they will become part of the greater Force".

Anakin doesn't like this answer whatsoever so he meets with Palpatine in the theater.

3. There was a 10 year timeskip between Episode 1 and 2. Again, plenty of chances for Anakin to show off his imbalanced behavior.

I would have preferred if the dialogue was better, but that's okay though because the PT had soulful designs and a soulful story

>My thoughts weren't on the visual side of things

Arguing about story when it comes to this sort of stuff is pointless because everyone here is going to want different things when it comes to their fiction. Plot interests me less then character and theme so I enjoy the ST and don't mind the plotholes because that's not my focus in what I want.

The visuals and the acting are harder to argue as a subjective thing. I'll take plotholes over something that doesn't make my eyes bleed or consistently give me the worst performances from actors I love.

>the PT had soul

Yes the movies where we have hours of behind-the-scenes footage of everyone looking like they wanted to kill themselves every time they pointed a camera at their faces were made with pure soul.

The new trilogy would've made way more sense if they just set it up with
Movie 1 - First Order gets crippled
Movie 2 - New Threat that distracts from the hunt for the FO like Hutts or Mandolorians being vultures after Republic lost their core worlds and Rey getting trained sideplot
Movie 2.5 show what Kylo was doing during 2
Movie 3 - Return of a resurgent First Order and the Knights of Ren.

Just fuck off you dumb nigger. ST is objectively shit and you're ruining the series for the rest of us

>
Yes the movies where we have hours of behind-the-scenes footage of everyone looking like they wanted to kill themselves every time they pointed a camera at their faces were made with pure soul.

Literally more souls than behind the scenes footage where every Disney drone is forced to wear smiles on their faces for the cameras.

>1. There are plenty of Jedi who could have made an investigation on the backgrounds and history of the Senate.
You can only dig so far into someone's secrets before it draws attention, especially with how corrupt the senate had grown

>2
I'll just have to rewatch since it's still not coming back to me here but I see

>3
I mean, the whole point is that he wasn't THAT troubled until episode II when he reunited with Padme and he started to sense his mother was in danger. The council was concerned with what they first saw when they met Anakin but they believed Obi-Wan could train him

>Arguing about story when it comes to this sort of stuff is pointless because everyone here is going to want different things when it comes to their fiction. Plot interests me less then character and theme so I enjoy the ST and don't mind the plotholes because that's not my focus in what I want.
>The visuals and the acting are harder to argue as a subjective thing. I'll take plotholes over something that doesn't make my eyes bleed or consistently give me the worst performances from actors I love.
I can accept that. I suppose I'm the opposite. Something that's uglier than sin but fun for me to watch is gonna appeal to me far more than something meticulously crafted but bothering me more with every line of the script

Let's say for the sake of this argument that I give you reason 1. Reason 2 still exists greatly

2. Here is an image of reason 2. Maybe it will jog your memory. It should be around the 33:16 mark

3. Anakin was still having trouble listening to his master though. He clearly wasn't agreeing with him out of emotional outbursts. THere was also the fact that in Episode 1 they did sense his fear and only allowed him to join due to Qui Gon's death

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>you enjoying something is ruining it for the rest of us

Sounds like a personal problem.

>Literally more souls than behind the scenes footage where every Disney drone is forced to wear smiles on their faces for the cameras.

This is exactly what I mean, you PT Lucas apologists just keep doubling-down over and over no matter what. You're unironically trying to argue that the BTS footage of everyone looking like they want to die due to George's shitty decisions is somehow more "soulful" then a Disney movie because REEEE Disney.

Your giving Disney money for shit is directly ruining Star Wars for people who have standards. Kindly jump off a bridge

I'll grant you 2 in turn. I would chalk it up to being among the fundamental flaws of the Jedi; you just can't detach yourself from all feelings without being a robot or turning into a nutball like Anakin

But with Anakin's more wild actions, insubordination on occasion isn't that big of a red flag, and for his first ten years or so the Republic was still nominally at peace. I'd guess they anticipated having all the time they needed in a relatively quiet galaxy to train him out of his wildness. The events of II pushed him closer to Padme, his mother's death, and being thrust into war

My investment in the point has dwindled as my word count has risen truth be told. Maybe another day I'll be salty enough to continue to argue on it again

>This is exactly what I mean, you PT Lucas apologists just keep doubling-down over and over no matter what. You're unironically trying to argue that the BTS footage of everyone looking like they want to die due to George's shitty decisions is somehow more "soulful" then a Disney movie because REEEE Disney.

George unironically had good ideas though. In fact, he had excellent ideas, and the EU proved it with excellent additions. And no matter what you can't say that the PT didn't have excellent designs that stands out from the OT in a positive way. George Lucas had fucking imagination. And imagination is Soul. There's not a drop of imagination in Disney's ST. Literally not a single fucking drop. And I'd rather have people noticeably unhappy than forced to wear fake smiles for the mouse overlord's camera. The only one not afraid to show go against the mouse overlords is Mark Hammal, who actually tells it like it is.

Gravity Wells

What even happened to Interdictor class ships anyhow?

why has gravity wells never come up before in the entire Star Wars franchise?

I mean they have, what with the Interdictors I just mentioned

Then there was stuff like the Maw Installation that was hidden among black holes, Dovin Basals, and kinda sorta with Centerpoint

I doubt they’d do this but they could just acknowledge multiple timelines officially

who controls coruscant in the sequel trilogy

Who the fuck knows at this point. I don't think the ST has ever mentioned Coruscant.

Yeah Disney was probably extremely eager to make their versions of the characters the best but somehow fucked that up completely

I THINK the explanation was that the galactic capital periodically moved for some gay reason like not having all political power centered in one place or something

Which didn't exactly help them, but whatever

My theory is that the first order can't actually build ships like the Empire did. Which is why that massive ship that Snoke had couldn't even destroy/outpace a cruiser

Rian Johnson is a cowardly hypocrite trying to play it all off like a cool guy. He strikes me as the kind of guy who can't take criticism.

Why did they give him command of Star Wars again?

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>bombarded by hundreds of messages telling him he should kill himself and he raped their childhood for more then a year

>i-it's just criticism

Yes there's no blame on the fans sending the messages ever, it's all on the people being harassed for asking for it, it's never ever the actual people sending the rude shit ever.

He should kill himself. You should too

Red Letter Media never sent him hate mail or death threats. They criticized him the same way they criticize all filmmakers. You can't say "I love them but I fear them." then pretend you don't care about their opinion as soon as they turn their sights on YOU.

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Watch Rebels and read the comics. It's there.

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Calm down there Anni

Same Reason they built Vegas in a desert wasteland, even though that makes zero sense.

Political/economic reasons.

Why is it taking this show so goddamn long to get to the point?

We have like 15 episodes of main character bumbling around doing odd jobs and making friends, fixing ships, and fucking around with alien buddies. While in the most boring fucking setting imaginable for a galaxy far, far away.

I watch Star Wars because I like space ships shooting at each other, laser swords, cool aliens, weird exotic planets, robots that do funny things, and guys in armor fighting people. This show has absolutely none of that. They could remove the Star Wars from the title and no one would even notice.

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Wouldn't each major world have it's own army? And them some of the bigger nations that are 3-5 worlds with a few dozen colonies under them have a largish army and fleet to themselves? Especially after being a puppet state to a major empire, you would think more worlds would have a "Never Again" policy after that one.

I never understood the point behind making up a few dozen mysteries, with zero intention of revealing a single thing about them later on. How is this professional storytelling?

It's more like if the handfull of random nazis that escaped to Argentina after WWII, came back in the 1950's with an even larger fleet with more planes and more ships to go retake Europe. And somehow everyone else never had any idea they were building up at all.

You would think with their massive military buildup they could just go conquer the galaxy the old fashioned way. Nothing really explained just how the rebels managed to defeat a functional military with resources, and organization backing it. Then later on somehow they were not considered capable of handling the republic either.

Imitating Vegas and Dubai. Desert shitholes with lots and lots of money making them into artificial paradises.

Lucas was too good for plebs like you

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>I have no idea how you look at how the PT looks and how the actors are directed and the dialogue they have to say and think this. I just don't.
Compare how many memorable lines there are in the prequels to the sequels. Regardless of how cheesy you might have thought it was at the time, that dialogue was able to stay in the public's mind long enough that it became more nostalgic and beloved as the years passed. Most directors would chew their own leg off to capture that kind of timelessness in their movies.

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had this come out right after force awakens i bet this would have hit like a truck (and actually would have given weight to it being destroyed for people).
at this point it's like whatever now

>So the new republic was literally incompetent, right?

The writers were just fucked retarded. The original New Republic of the legends era made mistakes but was generally competent due to its military leadership.

When’s the next movie coming out anyways it’s weird how there so secretive about it

People who bash Lucas as if he broke laws because he made the prequels are bandwagoning cocksuckers. What's worse is when they act as if not a single second was good or memorable for good reasons.

You know it's possible to acknowledge both the faults and good pieces of a movie, right? The idea that everyone who says something was good is an apologist is just childish.

Why is it always sales numbers with fags like you?

December

I hate everything about the Order and not in the way the lazy hack writers want me to.

Disneys scared out of their minds because people hated TLJ and Solo underperformed with mixed reviews. They're marketing team is trying to keep a lid on the film until they think they can win people back.

Not really weird at all. It's back under JJ who is infamous for his tight control over all materials for fear of leaks. He tends to flip his shit when details get out of his control, which is why he prefers using his own studio Bad Robot. Honestly if he spent as much time keeping the end result from leaking through all the goddamn holes in it we might have a decent sequel era.

I wouldn't really expect any big news to drop until Star Wars Celebration, anyway. That's when they're going to reveal the title, right?

Oh, they finally got to this?

After the next episode the show might be further ahead than the movies

just imagine how many black/dark colored planets with rings of city lights exist in SW. Coruscant, Hosnian Prime, and Nal Hutta are three easy ones, and who knows how many more there are.

>The FO had about 30 ships hunt down the Resistance
>While having enough extra ships to take over the galaxy at the same time
>But still needed to spend who knows how many resources on Starkiller Base so they could blow up the NR capital and fleet, rather than fight it the traditional way
Just how many thousands of ships were in orbit around that planet?

I honestly wonder about what excuse they're going to have to come up with to explain why the First Order doesn't get their shit stomped by the Mandalorians. Without Snoke's ship or Starkiller, the FO literally has nothing on them. Mando's are better trained, vastly better armed per individual soldier and probably better manned seeing as they have at least a thousand systems in their territory.

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why would the mandos leave their planet to go to the other side of the galaxy to fight something that they don't know exists?

>go to the other side of the galaxy
It's a 8 hour trip tops

it's still the other side of the galaxy. Mandalore is near the northeastern corner of the galaxy map. Unknown Regions area where SKB is is located in the western side of the galaxy.

And Canto Bright is further away

So did Dooku, he got a lot of shit done with bankrolling one army and parts of the opposing one.

So wait, what was Luke doing on Kashyyyk before heading to Ahch-To?

>why would the mandos leave their planet to go to the other side of the galaxy to fight something that they don't know exists?

It's claimed the FO is taking over, or has taken over, the galaxy. With that in mind, I'd think they'd heard of the FO by now. And why fight them? Why not? Mandos live for that shit. Literally be the first willing opponents for them since the fall of the Empire. Mandos ought to be jumping at the chance for this.

Do Mandos have a fleet of mile long ships and a few hundred thousand fighters?

I got the impression they had maybe a hundred or so fighters, no major ships at all, a planet that is 98% nuclear wasteland and cannot really support a huge population or a major military for campaigns, and a few thousand idiots in armor that load themselves down in random gadget weapons. Also they all hate each other and rival factions are everywhere meaning anyone that comes to fight them will have a few dozen Mando houses on their side just to get a whack at rival houses.

Every game and book seems to portray the Mandos as being pure shit in actual warfare. Good in 1v1 fights and tiny campaigns that only need about ten guys. They lose every major war with every big faction that comes around.

They never had a big organized, functioning military machine at any point in their history. More like a collection of various heroes and commandos that like to go in guns blazing alone 1v10000000 each time in Klingon-styled "glorious battle." Storm troopers and TIE fighters suck, but when there is a thousand of them for every Mando, it's obvious who will win in the end.

Empire needed mile long ships to compensate for their pilots/troopers/navy's incompetence.

Also mostly for rule of cool/ fear mongering.

>Do Mandos have a fleet of mile long ships and a few hundred thousand fighters?

They probably might.

>
I got the impression they had maybe a hundred or so fighters, no major ships at all, a planet that is 98% nuclear wasteland and cannot really support a huge population or a major military for campaigns,

You do realize that Mandalore the planet does not house all Mandalorians, right? Their territory consists of shitloads of systems and who knows how many hundreds, or thousands of Clans who all or mostly hold allegiance to Bo-katan.

>Every game and book seems to portray the Mandos as being pure shit in actual warfar
Unless you're talking about the EU, I've yet to see Mandos come up in the books, and the only game they've come up in as far as I'm aware featured only Sabine and Fenn Rau.

I don’t get why people like the Mandos. Boba and Jango were cool, making a race of them is really dumb.

Same, I never liked the idea of making them into a whole species of super armored bounty hunter commandos.

The old 80s and 90s stuff was really bad for taking a single character and making each and every member of their people the same thing. All Rhodians were bounty hunters that worshiped a bounty hunting goddess, all Hutts were criminal kingpins of their own individual crime families, all Toydarians were junk dealers and gamblers....

so theyre like the sith but without force powers

>I don’t get why people like the Mandos

It's not so much a matter of specially liking them, it's just that George and Dave, especially Dave, made them too significantly established to not ignore anymore. Dave had to literally build a huge excuse as to why they were never seen in the OT when they otherwise would've had a massive part in it to the extent that the GCW would've started well before Luke and Han got involved.

I figured that was the average Yea Forums user.

Is this show any good? I really burned out on star wars after TLJ/Solo

Not really, no, but it's free if you can find the usual streaming sites for cartoons on the internet. Overall it seems to have less budget than even Rebels, doesn't even go to as many worlds as Rebels did in the first season, and the character dynamics rate poor to atrocious. The main hero, Kaz, is basically Jar Jar levels of clumsy and ability to convincingly act as a spy, yet lacks any of Jar Jar's redeeming qualities. That is not an exaggeration. He's supposed to be a trained military pilot in the New Republic but he can't shoot for shit and his supposedly ace piloting never really materializes beyond swooping in and saving people who are themselves supposed to be aces (I mean they're even called the Aces, so yeah!). The rest of the supporting cast is equally trash.

But Poe shows up several times, voiced by his actor, and same with Phasma, as if anyone gave a shit about Phasma. By next season it will finally expand in time beyond TLJ so there's that, but they've already done so little expansion and building in the sequel era it'll probably amount to very little of anything.

Basically the best I could say about it is that it is not the worst thing ever and if you're really super fucking bored then maybe check it out, but only if you have absolutely nothing better to do.

It's a whole lot of
>Nothing happened this week either
The show.

It's just some random trouble making teen assigned to some ocean planet base for pilot racing. And somehow he is supposed to be some new recruit spy for Poe. Except each episode is dedicated to his bumbling into some kind of local thing like owing a bar tab and needing to pay it with odd jobs, or breaking a friend's speeder and needing to fix it. It's a huge waste of time and effort on everyone's part. Including the viewer.

The existence of a multiverse shouldn't trigger normies, who grew up on Terminator and Back to the Future

I wonder if the people at Disney TV are in the same boat with the rest of us in knowing absolutely nothing at all about the current era. Don't know who the major players are, don't know a damn thing about Snoke or Kyle, no idea how the First Order got to be what it is now, what is going on with the New Republic, and are just playing things really extra safe by having the whole show take place in literal nowhere. That way they do not have any continuity problems or fuck up the story if later movies want o have something happen on Coruscant or Corellia.

Friendly reminder that most of the backgrounds in the prequels are models

Which is dumb, why not celebrate the continuity wank that is a large part of the EU and movies?

Marketing teams should be reading the wikias, learning about the lore, and trying to strategize what stories could be retold in their nucanon as spinoffs or novels or shit. Instead hey hire woke fetishists like Chuck Wendig to fail upwards and let Lucashilm/Pablo/KK shit up the bed time again.

I wonder what brown aliens with malformed faces we'll encounter in IX!

Probably. The entire ST has been a big showing of poor planning, and the first round of books and comics immediately hit a wall of retcons when TLJ came out, or so I have heard.

Their own directors of the films have no fucking clue what the main storyline is and are left to their own devices. There is not even a level of communication between them for planning either.

Oh come on now, you're not telling that user the truth at all. It's SUPPOSED to be about hot shot racing, but in truth there's very little racing at all, especially by the main character. When they do have racing it's largely underwhelming, like it's just the same five douchebags over and over again except that one time they had a really big race with a huge pot of price money that attracted precisely one other racer who happened to be a guy on the show's brother...and also the same five douchebags.

Do timelines count as multiple universes?

There's all kinds of weird bits in the show like Kaz finding secret intel that shows the FO already has a fleet far larger than the entire New Republic's supposedly vaunted fleet, so apparently they didn't really need Starkiller, but that just raises further fucking questions like how the hell did the Empire slink off into the bumfuck end of space and somehow build these huge ships crewed with massive amounts of people, holding massive arsenals of vehicles and millions of troopers, on top of carving out an entire planet to create their doom sphere, and they did it all in only thirty years? I mean like the Mandator alone has 53,000 officers and 140,000 enlisted personnel, and that's not even counting Stormtroopers. Without cloning how the fuck did they managed to acquire enough people to possibly field their impossibly vast army since experienced and professional crew don't just happen overnight?

Reminder that the prequels used more practical effects than the OT
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Yeah really, the lore says that the Contingency lost lots of ships and men during the journey to the Unknown Regions

Yet after just thirty years apparently they have colonies enough for population to spare

I doubt the Empire ever intended to use the Death Star ever again after Yavin IV, at least on that scale. It was a HUGE vanity project and resource sink but if the project hadn’t failed it would have basically solidified several more decades of Imperial rule.

Tbh it’s very possible that if WWII had dragged out for another few years with Nazis in control of Europe they might have done just that.

But wait, there's more! The Impstar Deuce, standard Star Destroyer of the Empire around ROTJ, has 60 turbolasers and 60 ion cannons. The Resurgent-Class Star Destroyer, the standard Star Destroyer of the First Order, is a little less than twice the size of a Deuce but sports an insane 1,500 turbolasers and ion cannons! The Executor, which was 19,000 meters long, had 5,000 turbolasers! We're talking less than a sixth of the Executor but sporting around a third of the guns! And this is their STANDARD!

More insane? In The Force Awakens when Poe and Finn escape we see them destroy only two turbolaser towers after flying by several. Cut to the bridge crew saying that ALL of the turbolasers have been destroyed. So apparently between the scene of Poe naming Finn and Hux learning his ship was emasculated, that commandeered TIE spent what can only be imagined as the better part of a day destroying turbolasers before making their lazy escape to Jakku and getting shot down anyway by "ventral cannons" that appear to fire tracking missiles (which themselves may be somehow firing lasers since we see more green shots in that same seen too).

Apparently they abduct a lot of children for their armies, but it would take time to build the training and housing infrastructure, along with other supports, and FO stormtroopers are claimed to all be super badass elite so we're talking more than conscripts shoved into basic training. In the Resistance cartoon it's revealed that Stormtroopers can be mindwiped if they are deemed ineffective ("faulty") and reprogrammed, so maybe some of them are just schmucks plugged into a computer with the Battlefront II single player AI downloaded into their heads?

Highly doubt that. You commit more resources to destroying everything from shore to shore than you do securing it and using it for yourself.

The Nazis were facist and genocidal, adhering only to the idea of the Ubermensch Aryan race. BUT they were not stupid at least not most of the time. They fucked up royally in the last few years of their wars . Logisitics is key. By destroying everything, they'd make it infinitely easier for the U.S. or Russia or even some other country to waltz in and roflstomp them.

>abduct a lot of children for their armies

Yeah but from WHERE. They took however many orphans with them from Jakku but that wasn't even gonna be close to covering their recruitment needs

Probably because they focused on building the cast, build up Kaz's relationships only for him to be pretty much alone when he need it. The only help he's getting is from a ditz girl and autistic alien and the rebels told him he's on his own and his plan to get help from his family went up in smoke and with his home planet gone he pretty much is his cover story.

I don't know, man. They could theoretically be using pirates and mercenaries as proxies to funnel abducted children. They use those groups against the New Republic, so a side line in child trafficking wouldn't be out of the question. It would be strange that it's never come up, though, but then the New Republic is shown to be completely ineffectual with its head firmly up its own ass. Like for instance in a reply to and it turns out that the Galactic Concordance forbids sale of arms and warships to the Imperial Remnant so the Empire's old buddies Kuat and Sienar create dummy corps (Kuat-Entralla and Sienar-Jaemus respectively) to set up shop in First Order territory to pump out all the triangle and solar paneled ships the not!Empire could ever want.

How they hell they pay for all this I don't know but they certainly aren't paying their child support to the New Republic despite the Concordance and the New Republic apparently doesn't care, nor are they aware of the secret attempts to rearm the Imperial Remnant->First Order. They really are that stupid.

apparently they bought a great deal of their new equipment

which is equally retarded as to how nobody noticed Sienar and Kuat sending out double-size star destroyers to the radical fringe group in absurd quantities

Not really.

>
In the Resistance Cartoon they straight up has recruitment propaganda in the bar and troopers encouraged Kaz to enlist and the First Order seems to genuinely have an interest in Tam's talents.

>they pay for all this

I think I remember from that retarded canto bight side plot Rose mentions her home world was strip mined for materials the First Order sold or built shit with to pay for the weapons they bought from le weapons sellers

>Episode 8 was a fine movie

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It's no surprise they'd do recruiting, though it could also be a ploy to acquire people on the Colossus as part of their takeover. Sign-up people who work all over the station and you now have people in key locations working for them. It's a win-win for them.

Resistance cartoon also reconfirms that the New Republic disbanded a large part of the military. Yeager and other pilots turned to racing after the New Republic shitcanned them.

I'll be honest, I don't remember too much of TLJ since I only saw it one time. Lothal, I think, took the Mining Guild several years to trash the place. It's possible in thirty years to acquire riches if you're willing to gut entire worlds, though they'd need the equipment. Maybe the Mining Guild followed Kuat and Sienar. Starkiller would also have been a huge undertaking, however I believe in-canon the Empire had several key holdings throughout the Unknown Regions. Thrawn and the Chiss are still from there. I don't know how much they had built up, though. There's other hazards, like the FO needed Snoke's mysterious alien Navigator buddies to find their way around. It's doable, I guess, but thirty years still just feels way too short a timeframe for how big and powerful they are. They apparently shrug off losses like Starkiller (and all the ships, troops, personnel, military vehicles, factories, and all other important operations there) and now Snoke and the Supremacy. They're like a crazy force of nature because the plot dictates it, which narratively doesn't feel very satisfying.

>you will never live in the timeline where Finn had a compelling character arc and the FO were more than just zero-dimensional space nazis

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I mean, on the one hand this is decent worldbuilding, fleshing out the world etc. Still it just smacks of lost potential and miss opportunities, but that's the entire sequelverse I guess. Why they couldn't have rebooted the Thrawn trilogy is anyone's guess.

Wookieepedia says the NuBattlefront II indicates the First Order had "hundreds" of capital ships
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Old EU info has an Imperial I-Class SD costing 150,000,000 creds. Their mainline ships were almost twice the size but assume they still cost as much as the old boys. Take the size of their fleet of "normal" star destroyers as a flat 100 and that would have cost 15 BILLION credits

It further claims the Resurgent carried 2 full fighter wings, with a wing described as 72 ships. 48 TIEs, 12 TIE bombers, and 12 TIE interceptors

Basic ass TIEs cost 60k, bombers 150k, and interceptors I didn't see in the little searching I've done. If you have interceptors cost the same as basic TIE's, a wing should cost 5,400,000 creds

Say the march of technology keeps these prices the same for their FO equivalents. That's still C10,800,000 to outfit their fighter complements

Do that for all 100 Resurgent Classes and you get 1080000000 credits

That isn't even touching the absolutely enormous shit like flagships, dreadnoughts, and the LUDICROUS expense required for Starkiller Base

They expect us to believe the First Order had access to a galactic tier economy without any explanation as to how

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Their is an explanation. Essentially Operation Cinder destroyed the bulky, unwieldy and otherwise useless members of the Empire, distilling it down to a 25% core. 25% of ISD's were unaccounted for, these fled into the Outer Rim. That's where all this shit comes from, secret fleets and hidden plans made by Palatine.

But really 'The Emperor did it all' is complete shit as an explanation for why the Star Wars Galaxy didn't become EU.2 with Imperial warlords everywhere. It also doesn't explain Snoke or why the First Order became like it was, or basically anything. Of all the EU shit that was lost, probably what happened post Endor was the worst thing that Disney did, their handling of it has been awful from start to finish and frankly Star Wars should be put to bed for another decade after whatever is shat out this December.

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The obvious explanation is the reason the Hutts are in total disarray with their diminished sphere of influence having shrunk Hutt Space down to historic lows is that somehow the Imperial Remnant managed to sneak off with all the Hutt's spice AND kept Hux's dad from snorting through it all.

This would handily explain both where the First Order got all their fabulous fortunes from and also why Leia was so damned grumpy during the novel Bloodline.

If they were using antique ships hoarded from the empire's day and were just zerg rushing the galaxy with the equivalent of WWII rifles and ships that'd be one thing

But we've NEVER seen an imperial era vessel getting used by the First Order. EVERYTHING is brand spanking new; bigger, shinier, and intimidatinger than what the Empire had

DESU The Axis powers would have had a better chance of winning if Benito wasn't a fucking idiot and Italy spent what time and resources they had subjugating/decimating France and England in particular. When you really look into the history of the war, Italy basically fucked up at every junction, spent manpower on a vanity project invasion in Africa, and had to be carried out by Germany near the end of the war.

I cannot fathom how countries like Itally were so fucking incompetent

Yeah I've seen it argued that the main First Order fleet is what we've been seeing, the main battle line shit that's going for the FO's main opponents, and the other fleets are a Hodge-podge of older ISD's and newer FO stuff. That's just speculation though and Disney frankly doesn't give enough of a shit to answer these questions. Like the Supremacy is supposed to be based of or salvaged from the Emperors hidden SSD the Eclipse that was reveled in the Aftermath trilogy. Probably these sorts of questions will be answered after the final movie is out, then Disney writers will actually know the canon before they write their shit and it gets retconned.

Although the problem for me is the sheer unimaginative with basically every aspect of this reboot. As much as people shit on the Prequels at least they created and added to a coherent universe with subsequent stories told in them being of high quality. The sequelverse, unless it allows some MASSIVE liberties to be taken with its sandbox by Disney writers, is always going to be shallow and tied to the mistakes of RJ.

I wonder about those 1,500 turbolasers (and ions) per FO Star Destroyer. I mean that's a shit ton of ammo for each ship meaning their supply lines must be ungodly heavy on the back end. That't just a shitload of tibana!

However it may be fair to point out that the FO also discovered the super science behind DARK ENERGY, so unless Voltron shows up to stop their quintessence harvesting they've got a whole new avenue of super energy. But they still also need to devour entire suns to power their main weapon. Using phantom energy. But phantom energy is just another form of dark energy so it's fine, not complicated or silly to toss into Star Wars at all.

The reason FO Star Destroyers look so goofy is because they're actually regular ISDs because Hux said, "hey, why buy an all new ship when we can just build off the hull of the old one! Add 1,400 more guns and a lick of paint! It's brilliant!" This was probably the first time Snoke faceplanted him to the floor.

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No, the explanation is that the writers couldn't come up with a story that wasn't "rag tag group of rebels fight an overwhelming empire" so they handwaved away how a group that just got fucking wiped out come back a decade later with ten times the resources and manpower.

>They expect us to believe the First Order had access to a galactic tier economy without any explanation as to how
That's a bunch of solid math and research, but you forgot one thing:

Star Wars is, always has been, and always will be absolutely DOGSHIT at scale.

Qui-Gon offeres 20,000 credits for a hyperdrive, but Watto turns him down.
Luke says they could "almost buy a new ship" for 10k credits, and they end up agreeing on 17k for safe passage on the Falcon.
Sure you could argue that the value changed when going from Republic to Galactic, but I don't think so.

Then there's the clones. They mention 1.2 million in AOTC. Sure, you could say that a "unit" is a bunch of clones, but even still, you'd have to have a lot of people in each unit to defend the whole galaxy.

Hell, even just the scale of the planets is awful. Every planet is basically just a town.

>The reason FO Star Destroyers look so goofy is because they're actually regular ISDs because Hux said, "hey, why buy an all new ship when we can just build off the hull of the old one! Add 1,400 more guns and a lick of paint! It's brilliant!" This was probably the first time Snoke faceplanted him to the floor.

>Just bolting almost an entire second destroyer's worth of material onto an existing one

I take it back, I prefer the interpretation that Snoke is a leprechaun and paid for it all with his pot of endless gold

Wasted potential. Rian Johnson acknowledged how fucking retarded a perpetual Empire/Rebel, Sith/Jedi war is yet lacked the imagination to provide an alternative take for the series. The point of a deconstruction of any material is that you tear down a flawed setting and build something better in its place. Some of my favorite stories involve the writer deconstructing a retarded element from their past work, tearing it down and acknowledging it in-universe, and then building something better from the ashes.

Same issue with Sabine Wren and whatever the hell that dumbass "The Mandalorian", Disney/Lucasfilm gives surface level descriptions of the race/culture but they can be bothered to examine why Mandalorian were so popular in other, EU, works. SW and Star Trek have a recurring issue by being written by people who know nothing about the IP

Republic Credits are worthless on Tatooine and you get really shitty returns at the bank when you convert. And that's despite his cousin Blotto running the only bank on Tatooine!

I know you're making a joke, but 5% of me believes that this was actually explained verbatim in an old EU source.

Sabine wasn't a great character, but what's wrong with the Mandos in Rebels?

Also, that was written by Filoni, who arguably knows the material better than anyone barring Lucas.

They will probably just say that Palpy was stockpiling things away as a hand wave like said. There will probably also be nu-EU material that spells it out (my guess is in a books or comics).

The NuBattlefront also has it's downloadable missions going over the kidnapping program. Afaik, the FO basically contracts it out to several minor powers (Jinata Security ingame) where there is no nu republic presence.

Well, Tatooine used physical currency, with at least one denomination made of gold so yeah I'd buy that a heavily digitized currency would need to be stacked disproportionately in the outer rim against precious metal money

Filoni was involved with the original prequel production, so TCW was good but I've not been convinced with Rebels/Resistance. Especially after what Rebels did to Thrawn, and how this has basically ruined whatever Timothy Zahn was going for in the new Thrawn trilogy.

I wonder if whoever wrote the finale ended it the way they did specifically to spite how many people were annoyed at the Space Whales episode.

Fret not, user, for we'll no doubt end up with The First Order Remnant versus the Newer Republic for decades more amazing adventures! Including many reimagined classics from the Legends days! So basically EU2 but bumped back 30 years.

That or Wild Space will have yet another Imperial Remnant revealed called the Second Categorization! Lead by Ultimate Commander Ekons!

>how this has basically ruined whatever Timothy Zahn was going for in the new Thrawn trilogy.

It was fucked the moment Disney bought the property and someone got it in their heads to have a First Order and missing Luke at all

Eh, I enjoyed the first Thrawn novel alot. Thrawn Alliances however was enjoyable but JESUS did it suffer from having too tip-toe around the Rebels shit. Like Thrawn being unable to stop one rebel cell, losing like I don't even know how many ships and on top of this going against what was explicitly Thrawn in EU canon and even in Disney canon, a desire to preserve life, and shelling a civilian settlement, really fucks me off. Like in the original Thrawn trilogy Thrawn gets chucked in favour of C'baoth, in the new canon he gets kidnapped by space whales. Thrawn is too good for this fucking fictional universe I swear to god

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It’s amazing when you think about it, because he was handed the fucking keys to ending rebels vs empire with the ending of TFA. Literally just have both sides permanetly crippled, the Republic has lost it’s leadership with the strike from SKB and the FO lost everything with SKB. Make that Snokes Plan the entire time, to climb the chaos ladder of the Republic falling apart. Kylo went crazy after a vision made him see Snokes future and decided that he needed a quick power boost to be able to usurp Snoke in his moment of glory. Luke fucked off to find some jedi mc guffin that allows him to basically transfer his knowledge to someone else, because he was crippled by Kylo in his first “I must become Vader moment”. That’s Rey. Only the whole “Snoke betrays the FO and gets ganked by Kylo is the third act”

Hate to do this to you user but there already is another Imperial faction, they stayed around and signed a peace treaty but stayed in the galaxy and were confined to whatever world they garrisoned but there is meant to be an Imperial remnant inside New Republic space. SECOND CATEGORIZATION ALL THE WAY BABY

>a desire to preserve life, and shelling a civilian settlement, really fucks me off.

In the slightest defense to that, the one time he couldn't figure out a species in EU he wound up killing the entire race

Coruscant and humans were seen as the cause of, symbols of, and supporters of the Empire. New capital world away from the core worlds. Dismantle the military because the new republic was above the idea of a military. Leia run out of the Senate because Vader is her father. No investigation into the first order. Don't want to provoke imperial Remnants.

Still waiting for some droid (or Kalani maybe) to have pulled a Gizor Delso and build their own harmonious droid and organic society

CIS v2.2.1 WHEN

Credits are physical too.

The Vagaari?

Also it wouldn't piss me off nearly as much but the entire Rebels character of Thrawn just chucked the 'Thrawn' and had 'Machiavellian stand in villain'.

I think the New Republic also had something about a trade fed? But it was like a sentence of flavour text.

Thing is, in Star Wars, Coruscant was the centre of the galaxy for economic as well as political reasons. Literally hundreds of wars had been fought by Coruscant in order to bring the galaxy into line and establish this. Then they just up and move the capital...., its like just decrying that now L.A. is too be divided up into 4 cities, its not going to change how important that region is by just renaming shit.

Is a million soldier such a big number?
How many trillions of people live in Coruscant?

I also just don't think Zahn is very good at writing anymore. The first one was enjoyable, but it was literally:
>Authority says something
>Thrawn disagrees
>Thrawn gets in trouble
>Eli asks why he did that
>Thrawn doesn't explain himself
>Thrawn goes against orders
>Thrawn gets fucked
>Just kidding everything works out because actually Thrawn had planned for that
>Thrawn makes Eli explain why it worked so he can learn
>Thrawn gets reluctant commendation by authority
Rinse and repeat a dozen or so times.

Alliances was really weak though, because it didn't have Eli there to serve as the audience stand-in. Thrawn does not make a good protagonist on his own.

The problem, such as it is, is that the Unknown Regions are a crapshoot. They're literally unknown. Are there even human settlements? Apparently the Empire had some facilities, but colonies? Maybe people wandered in and got lost throughout history?

The other problem is that a million soldiers is actually a very small number if you plan to seize control over and occupy the entire galaxy. This ignores the problems with having to train, quarter, and feed all of those millions because they sure as hell won't be doing any farming. All we know is that Hux's dad brought in a number of child soldiers he was grooming to become supertroopers and that became the model for the FO, but where they got all the children for that, as well as how they did the actual training, is all mysterious because we just don't know. I'm sure the powers that be at Lucasfilm don't care because they'd say it was boring. Just take what the movies give you on faith.

I think with Thrawn it was enjoyable enough due to the variety of problems and the presence of Pryce too add some spice to it. It was abit formulaic but I think it established the character for a new generation well enough. Alliances was basically ANOTHER Darth Vader novel dressed as a Thrawn novel. Hopefully Traitor can get away from that

>Thrawn doesn't make a good protag
The nature of the character is as a ploy to use deductive reasoning as a super power, so he's only fun when the problems he is solving are fun and there is someone to explain it to. What makes Thrawn is the choices he makes along the way and ultimately how he is defeated, which absolutely made the Thrawn trilogy a classic. I have hopes for Traitor but seriously doubt he's going to have anything near The Last Command.

>Traitor
Just FYI it's called Treason. But yeah, I have high hopes, because the Thrawn/Sheev relationship is what I've wanted to hear about since the first book. It's the most interesting aspect to Thrawn: Who is he really loyal to? I didn't need a whole novel about his experiences with Anakin.

>Pryce
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention her. Her subplot, while mostly unrelated to the main plot, was really great and the perfect way to tie a book into a TV show in my opinion.

> so he's only fun when the problems he is solving are fun and there is someone to explain it to
Yeah, exactly. The back and forth just didn't work with Anakin/Vader like it did with Eli.

Didn't they take over a lot of random low tech worlds that were not in contact with the Republic and press entire populations into service/steal all resources until they were wealthy enough to fund a new empire?

Unknown region is like 1/5 of a galaxy. There is probably a few million worlds to pull from if they really wanted.

The Unknown Regions and Wild Space, yeah. The two regions are some of the best for asspulls or new storylines largely divorced from the main plot.

that's within some reason

again when it comes to time though, it's difficult to grasp

It's...proooobably possible? I mean if they really applied themselves and got super fucking lucky while surveying. Plus they apparently had Snoke and his super fantastical possibly magical navigators, though no clue when they met those dudes. Of course this requires just thirty years for...

>acquisition of a shit ton of money
>acquisition of a shit ton of materials
>acquisition of a bunch of super sweet technological advancements such as the galaxy has never seen before
>carving out an entire world and giving it a super shield, hyperdrive, and mega doom weapon
>discovering a vast new source of super energy
>figuring out how to weaponize this vast new source of super energy
>creating and devising all the super ships and building all the cool crap like mini death star tech
>building massive armies and trained pilots and crews for massive new fleet

And I'm missing a bunch but I got bored with writing it down. Maybe between Snoke's powers and if he knows were all the cool shit is in the Unknown Regions the FO can get enough of a head start. Plus they apparently have an entire copy of the Tarkin Initiatives findings and somehow the NR either never found one or refused to use such dubious information and missed out on hyperdrive tracking and other amazing shit.

Missing from this of course is Starkiller Base. It's their only known terrestrial holding since Supremacy is their mobile capital and to my knowledge no other planet has been mentioned in their territory. It seems to have had a massive garrison and many vehicles, so it is probable to assume it has factory capabilities as well among the very many other facilities stretched across the entire planet. How many engineers and maintenance teams to maintain such a massive construction? How many technicians just to control it? All of them given extremely little time to get the fuck off the planet since even the X-Wings and Falcon barely managed to get away. How much did they lose? Not just the planet itself but workers, soldiers, stockpiled materials, too many vehicles to evacuate?

And somehow they just shrugged off that entire loss and continued as normal. The Resistance cartoon also shows that the First Order has a massive mining facility that they are completely willing to completely destroy, not because it has been discovered but just so it won't be. No decommissioning, no recovering any materials, just blowing the fucking thing up. Mindlessly, maddeningly extravagant and wasteful in everything they do, and somehow they always still have way more than they need to still steamroll the galaxy twenty times over.

I love reading these threads and seeing all the bullshit the nuEU has to throw out to try and justify the mess of a plot the sequel setting is.

It's just another really fucking huge addition that could have had some kind of mention in the story somewhere. Someone could have mentioned it instead of leave it all to the viewer to fill in the massive gaps like everything else. If they had just said so at some point then it would be a little more okay.

George probably would have. He hated some of these loose ends to the point of having the SE of ESB include Darth Vader telling his Star Destroyer to prepare for his arrival. Hired James for new dialogue and everything. Meanwhile the new people largely do not give any fucks.

I'd like the nuCanon explain that the FO reigns in TLJ only because the Remnant immediately signed on and the sudden team up of two Imperial powers cowed a number of Republic systems into surrender to avoid a losing fight.

But somehow that doesn't seem quite dumb enough for the ST era.

If they just explained that there IS a Remnant in the first place and that the galaxy has been keeping their eye on them rather than the First Order, that would at least be something

Ya know, with how many goddamn galaxies, stars, and planets are destroyed by the Empire and First Order in that one single century someone should really start investing in ways to recreate a star or a planet so that they don't fucking run out of places to live.

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How much do you want to bet JJ bumbles that possibility out of existence?

I'll bet he doesn't know that there is a Remnant

You’re the reason why we’re stuck with rebels vs space nazis AGAIN, this time led by a Mary Sue

>Plot interests me less then character and theme so I enjoy the ST and don't mind the plotholes because that's not my focus in what I want.

You sound like a 13 year old child

You can notice that TFA is a shiny overproduced corporate production. There’s no imagination, a really thin story that has to last for one more movie and a couple of books and cartoons

You could just move on instead of harrasing him on Twitter or suddenly hating his future works because he killed your childhood hero.

Successful filmaker vs some manchildren on Youtube who think they know about movies. I’ll go with Rian on this one

>with zero intention of revealing a single thing about them later on. How is this professional storytelling?

More books, comics, and cartoons.

Just stay the fuck away from Padme's grave

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>Marketing teams should be reading the wikias, learning about the lore, and trying to strategize what stories could be retold in their nucanon as spinoffs or novels or shit. Instead hey hire woke fetishists like Chuck Wendig to fail upwards and let Lucashilm/Pablo/KK shit up the bed time again.

Disney probably doesn’t let them expand. The EU authors also have pre-established rules before a first draft even begins

no one cares, The Clone Wars is better and will stay as the only good SW tv show. deal with it

I honestly wonder if it will ever be explained how the First Order ever managed to get the resources it has. Because honestly, it makes no sense.

It's been handwaved away already as the FO *somehow* having basically finding unlimited resources in the unexplored space they fled to and having random nameless benefactors in the Republic funneling them quadrillions of credits.

You always see people give TFA a free pass because it was 'good at setting things up' but you look at the new EU and it's either writers desperately trying to make sense of the movies' terrible decisions or writers explaining why we CAN'T have fun new things.

All spin-off movies have been about the OT. All games have been about the OT, with the only other one in the works being set in the prequel era. The only cartoon set in the sequel era is the weakest of the bunch.

So what exactly was TFA good at setting up? Where are all of these new possibilities?

If the New Republic was unable to detect and stop a the disappearance of quadrillions of credits, then honestly they deserved to die for their sheer incompetence.

If I was JJ. Episode 9 would just be Rey time traveling to make 7 and 8 not happen. Setting up a newtimeline where Ben doesn't fall to the dark side. The FO never returns from wild space. Leia stays in the Senate and with Han.

Then we do Wraith Squadron, clone emperor and Mara jade, and thrawn. In 10, 11, 12.

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Palpatine did order it to be destroyed in operation cinder.

>first order has to abduct and brainwash children to become their janitors
fuck disney

>Slavery is not a thing that happens in Legends or real life.
It's like your not even trying to be reasonable.

God I fucking hate Finn’s retarded story.
>I’m betraying the FO cause I don’t want to shoot people!
>ten minutes later happily shooting his former brothers in arms
>TFA: I gotta stop running and face them head on
>TLJ: I’m getting the fuck outta here

>ten minutes later happily shooting his former brothers in arms
>TLJ: I’m getting the fuck outta here
These are the greatest offences.

>in the FO you can be promoted from lowly janitor to stormtrooper immediately
Affirmative action at its best.

If I was JJ I would mail a box of cobras to Rian's house. What a fucking clown.

I will never not be assblasted about Rose lecturing a kidnapped child slave soldier raised by the FO to be a killing machine on how the FO is bad. Bitch, he knows (but apparently the director didn't).

Remembering that Finn was basically a slave soldier since early childhood makes the bit on Canto Bight where they save the alien horses but leave the slave kids all the more funnier.

Especially because they need his help to not get fucking caught. I wonder if he thought they were planning on taking him with - I guarantee they added that scene of him cheering their mistake because otherwise it would literally look like our heroes were abandoning a kid to slavery (which they were).

This was a really big missed opportunity for his development. He could have been super into being a trooper, getting to b the badass action hero that murders the shit out of everyone and look cool doing it, until his first actual taste of battle and he sees how miserable warfare actually is. A few of his closest friends he got to know for years die right there in front of him and he PTSDs out and cannot handle it at all. Escapes, and when the FO show up on Maz's planet and starts fighting the Resistance he freaks out all over again. He could be a mess during all fights until the climax when he has to get the fuck over it to save Rey from Kylo.

I already knew Finn's story arc was weak, but this is a new unexpected level of awful now that you mention it.

He also immediately become friends with Poe, the guy who shot his stormtrooper friend

Starkiller base is the Empire equivalent of one of those secret Nazi weapons that's huge and powerful and frighting, but largely impractical

The real irony of the First Order is that, if they wanted to do the "space nazis" thing, they've actually got the perfect setup to do it in a way that could be interesting and compelling.

The FO could start out innocently enough. Mon Mothma basically declares that everyone who was associated with the Imperial government is a war criminal. Millions of regular joes from techs to cargo runners to secretaries being persecuted and exiled for being on the "wrong" side in a great war. These people band together under a charismatic leader, they rebuild, and for a time things are fine, they're prospering and protecting their own. But at the time of The Force Awakens their leader's rhetoric is taking a dark and zealous turn and about reclaiming their former glory. Boom, there's your Nazi Germany setup, except now the antagonists aren't just stock bad guys being evil for the sake of evil.

Instead of a brainwashed child soldier, Finn could just be some guy who only knows the nice side of the FO that looks out for people like him and his family. He meets Poe, a prisoner who tells him all these stories about the FO creating fleets and superweapons, and working with people like Snoke and Kylo Ren, and preparing to declare war on the rest of the galaxy. Finn doesn't believe him at first, but gradually uncovers the truth and decides he has to do something about it. Choosing to free Poe should take more than ten minutes and shouldn't be an easy decision, He should be spending the whole escape emphasizing that he's not willing to kill anyone, that most of these soldiers are good people. Maybe they get caught by Phasma and instead of being some faceless baddie she's one of Finn's friends and we've gotten to know her over the last hour and his betrayal of her sets up a great dynamic between the two over the next couple of films.

Point is there's SO much shit you could have done with this concept and these characters... but they didn't.

Probably hard to care about them after someone's spammed their video or a gif from them for the thousandth time

Solo wasn’t a guaranteed flop and overall I rather like it, but as for replacing Harrison Ford the teenage half of Young Indiana Jones did a much better job.

A proper setup for drama between Finn and Poe in TLJ could have been that Finn didn't realize who killed his buddy until it comes up in later conversation. But of course Rian Johnson can't envision any male + male interactions that aren't completely hostile so that's out the window.

And also built by exiled Nazis hiding in Argentina.

A galaxy is a very big place. A lot of room for ships to hide

The ST is just a massive missed opportunity pushed by genuine hacks who can’t write

>there are still people who think Rian is a good writer

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Everyone doesn’t or do I misremember? Something about the Garrus using special tech to make it an anti Death Star superweapon.

The sequel trilogy is so bad it makes me miss the Vong.

They’re media’s original tactical operators operating tactically in tactical operations. Or was that GI Joe?

>Maybe they get caught by Phasma and instead of being some faceless baddie she's one of Finn's friends and we've gotten to know her over the last hour and his betrayal of her sets up a great dynamic between the two over the next couple of films.
Fuck that's actually really good.

am I the only one who saw it more like
>TFA: I gotta get out of here, I gotta find Poe, I gotta rescue Rey. They're what matter.
>TLJ: I gotta get out of here to protect Rey, but I can't ignore that I'm part of this shit now

>I can't ignore that I'm part of this shit now
He does though. The only reason he stays is because Rose literally catches him three seconds from jumping ship.

>TLJ: I gotta get out of here to protect Rey, but I can't ignore that I'm part of this shit now
But he immediately wants to bail on the resistance to find Rey - something he doesn't even consult with Poe about.

I like how the fact that Poe is a massively devoted Resistance supporter just sort of flew over Rian's head. That's pretty much Rose's only trait outside of her bizarre moralistic mindset, which makes her largely redundant.

I stand by my assertion that Rian does not know how to write two guys being friends, which explains most of the characters and interactions in the movie.

I think that is a pretty good commentary on modern times. Someone trying to play the
>Nuh uh! I'm more oppressed than you!
Game with a literal child slave, near another child slave that they do nothing to help in the movie.

Palps did that with those big mobile habitats.

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It's so strange to have a Star Wars film be the perfect example of Poe's Law in action. Were Rian not so hyper-defensive and sneering over every little critique, him deconstructing the entire franchise would be a pretty valid interpretation. He even dangled the "let the past die" idea then yanked it back for a bland nonsensical ending.

Everything about the new movies just screams lazy. Like every decision they made came with a "That'll do, That's goo enough, moving on..."
They did not care about details, and they seem to get really pissed when fans ask them for details too. They just want Space Nazis fighting rag-tag resistance and that's it. They give no fucks how it got to be that way or where it came from and want you to be the same.

I don't remember this, did the last episode get leaked?

>Lets destroy the economic center of the galaxy then there is nothing left to conquer

I never understood this.

they released a promo pic for next

most of the details are in the books but general audience doesn't care about books

This is probably why TLJ ended up the way it is. Rian didn't bother to go back for reshoots or even check the script. Just shot everything and cobbled things together in post. On time and under budget. Lucasfilm actually sat on the finalized film for three months.

let the past die is done in ix

we know kylo has his mask back and he stares at vader's helmet again

It is a little jarring when someone comes from a poor planet, but tried to play oppression olympics with someone who was taken as a child and had their entire identity erased to be a brainwashed soldier. And in a city that also has fellow child slaves currently working there.

That is still bad storytelling on their part. A single line of exposition can solve a lot of these issues. Narration, or a conversation between two characters, maybe a character making some offhand mention could resolve a lot. But leaving it intentionally vague and then telling people to go buy a book and read it so that a movie can potentially make sense is not a good way to do things.

>Sure you could argue that the value changed when going from Republic to Galactic
Wow, you answered your own question.
>but I don't think so
Why not? The value of currency changing over the course of a couple of decades is a real-life phenomenon. This is especially true after their's a huge shakeup in the established regime

The scale of the galaxy in the Lucas saga seems fine, but for some reason, you're making up excuses why it's not fine to justify how shit the sequels are.

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Ignoring previous films seems to ba a ST tradition

I agree it is bad and hopefully the tie ins to mandalorian and IX wont be Required reading . what I'm worried about is how vital Galaxy edge and its tie ins with be to IX's narrative

And then only really gives a shit about freeing the animals to boot. Rose is a pretty great unintentional satire of ye old bleeding heart liberals.

I think they just hope most of the audience is too stupid to care about that sort of thing.

FO has its own separate economy. Collapsing the NR's economy is simply a tool of indirect warfare.

What pisses me off most about Rose is that she's got a great setup for being a foil to Finn, but TLJ completely fucked the character in execution. Between that and the intentionally ugly clothing and hair I really think that Rian Johnson hates Kelly Marie Tran.

Rian's a creep. He openly designed Rose after an old highschool crush. Either she was dumpy looking and that turns Rian on or this is some pathetic attempt at petty revenge by proxy. The man has issues.

Which people aren't accepting because the quality isn't that great.

Did you miss the part where he was going to bail, which was how Rose got involved? This is a fucking bad film. On top of that, Rian somehow either wasn't told or ignored that it was a major plot point in TFA that Finn couldn't fly a spacecraft and needed help.

You should check out the behind the scenes footage of Rian talking about Rose with the costume designer.

I get the impression that they do not care about details and they seriously want you to not care either. It does not really come off as a hope as much as it's a "Why do you give a shit?! Leave me alone!!" from them.

I guess that works when doing a real world, modern 21st century Earth setting where you can rely on familiar places and real world history to fill in gaps for you. you don't need t explain what the great depression is because people can wiki that shit on their own time. But when working on a 100% fictional place where every corner of it is made from scratch then the storytellers have more work to do so that it makes sense. It looks like guys like Rian did not grasp that concept. That you need to explain everything in some way, because there is no "getting" what is happening on face value alone.

This is still a bad way to do it. People read the side stuff because they are super into the story and want to have a little more. They should not need to get into it just for the movie to make sense. It has to stand on its own legs without side material helping it along.

There's probably a low key conflict within Lucasfilm between people who want more solid entries and people who suck up to Disney executives. The Rat doesn't care about internal Lucasfilm stuff or management choices so long as the money keeps flowing. I doubt we'll hear anything juicy unless Lucasfilm collapses because they've had a put-up-or-shut-up culture with George at the helm for years. If you can't question Mr. Creative, why would that change when it's Disney at the helm?

It all lines up with at least how Rian and Abrams work. Abrams loves to make super mysteries and have weird and unexplained happenings, while never really bothering to come to a conclusion for them. He just likes making them. And he does not plan things out at all. Rian Johnson likes being different for the sake of being different and makes claims of being totally unique and fresh when he does things that other directors would intentionally avoid with good reason. Abrams dismisses questions all the time because his career has been nothing but a series of that, and it is a side effect of his style of storytelling. Rian cannot stand being questioned and always maintains a "I know what is right!" attitude. It's just that together they really shit the bed with a franchise because these two personalities do not work well with a longstanding scifi series known to have a lot of expectations behind it.

I'm still not sure if dumping Colin Trevorrow from Ep 9 was a good or bad idea. On one hand he had a less overtly stupid idea for Luke and clashed with the story group enough that I assume his script wasn't literal garbage. But on the other hand, his treatment of the Jurassic Park franchise was abysmal so for me he was just another terrible director choice.

My favorite is due to how Starkiller works once their weapon is done "consuming the star" this means that the gravity that was holding all the local planets around is just gone in the blink of an eye, so now there are rogue planetoids flying around. Now this probably won't be a problem anytime soon but in time they would become massive hyperspace hazards. Maybe the FO carefully picked stars that just happened to have no or few planets around, but some I don't think they bothered. Mostly because I'm sure JJ didn't think of it and wouldn't care if he had. He loves plot convenience way too much. Han and Finn finish their heart to heart talk? Boom, suddenly at the destination. Poe and Black Squadron are in hyperspace? Boom, suddenly the shield is down just in time for them to decelerate for their attack run. Resistance sends recon to Starkiller to make sure it's still there? Boom, suddenly the FO knows where the Resistance base is so they can target it despite that making no sense unless they either a. captured the ship and the pilot forgot to destroy his navicomputer or b. the FO used hyperspace tracking yet somehow Leia and the Resistance forgot to mention this amazing tech and forgot about it by TLJ.

That last one really bugged me since JJ just wanted to recreate the Yavin scene even though it made zero sense that the FO somehow just KNOWS the Resistance Base is there when a recon flight would just hyperspace in, scan, and hyperspace out and presumably not be so stupid as to leave on a vector that tracks back to their base. But no, the FO just knows and somehow Leia just knows they're being targeted to. WTF, JJ, you goddamn hack!

>No one is watching Resistance
>Solo bombed
>Comic sales dropping
>Games being presided over by James Bond villain

Yeah, not really sure how they managed to fuck up so many directors. I mean Trank? That guy's fucking issues had issues. Then dumping Lord and Miller for being too jokey? How the hell did they not know what those guys would do? Then they proceed on with Spider-Verse and laugh all the way to the award ceremony as Solo crashes with no survivors.

My best guess is they wanted young, largely unproven talents to bring a new vision over someone with an established career yet their own style. They didn't, maybe, want that style to override Star Wars in a predictable way. Or, hell, they just figured these new guys were cheap and controllable. Yeah, how'd that work out for you, Kathleen?

Hey, the Rule of Two got an entire trilogy of books to explain why it wasn't completely retarded. Maybe Starkiller Base will get a similar treatment.

Rian literally just has a fetish for asian girls due to being friendzoned in high school. I feel bad for Kelly because she had nothing to do with the shitty script yet gets most of the heat for her character from nerds online.

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I still think its hilarious that they keep ducking out on women/poc directors despite virtue signalling so fucking hard.

I think they have actually petitioned multiple good directors, including that woman who did the hurt locker. The issue is 1) not a lot of female directors, 2) most male directors are white, and 3) plenty of the ones they did ask turned Lucasfilm down.

>most of the details are in the books but general audience doesn't care about books
If you have to publish an encyclopedia to explain your story, then it's not a very good story.

I got the impression starkiller base was only meant for the single purpose of killing the Hosnian system. Once that was done maybe use a second shot to insta-kill the Resistance. But after that the fuel was depleted and the base was free floating in a dead system that can no longer support life either so it is useless as a base once the weapon fuel was used up.

The Resistance managed to blow it up after it's primary function was successfully completed. It was a pointless gesture after the fact.

I can't imagine anyone goes to the great engineering lengths to create a giant mobile space gun only to shoot one system and call it a day. I mean the engineering feat necessary to make an entire planet hyperspace jump capable? That's insane for a one-shot then done.

Seriously, now many Death Stars could you build for the price of weaponizing an entire planet?

It's the giant fucking trench that really gets me. Starkiller Base is heavily implied (by EU writers who actually give a shit, unlike JJ) to be Ilum, which is loaded with kyber crystals. If the FO just slapped an emitter and a few other complexes on the surface and used the planet's natural properties as an energy storage/amplifier mechanism, it wouldn't be nearly so retarded. But you look at SB and it's so hard not to get hung up on the obvious man hours they must have put into just excavating the fucking equator.

SKB isn't even the first planet they start carving out. Resistance shows a good handful of planets that were test-runs that either split fully apart due to the mining, or broke apart in other ways before they settled on "Ilum" for it.

It's also played with in Rogue One: Catalyst that the Empire already started mining out Ilum like crazy for the continuous Death Star laser tests until they could find enough crystals of certain sizes to study and put into a functioning weapon prototype and final version.
Since Ilum was a "Jedi secret" Palpatine instantly knew about it from taking over the temple, Anakin or any of the other Jedi he turned relaying information, or having spies take information from the Jedi long before ROTS.
The FO using Ilum for SKB was literally just using the sloppy seconds of the ravaged husk the Empire left behind.

The prequels being garbage doesn’t make the sequels any less shit

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Surprisingly true.
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What this means for the whole "Starkiller Base was actually an Imperial operation the FO completed" ... I have no fucking clue. It's all a bit of a mess.

Not Rogue One, the Ahsoka novel goes into details about Ilum's fate. They strip mined the planet, exposing massive magma pockets bubbling up from the core, and destroyed the temple entrance to gain access to the crystals beyond.

Apparently the Imperial details come from Star Wars: Complete Locations. All the FO knew about the planet that would become Starkiller is that it had been mined for kyber for the Death Stars. They didn't even know where the fucking place was! It took them decades of scanning planets looking for matches before they found it. Considering there are only three decades between ROTJ and TFA they only had ten years to get it all up and running.

Prequels are way better than anything nu-wars related

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The prequels are *incredibly* flawed... but they were at least directed with a (for better or worse) single director's story and vision in mind. The ST had JJ and an entire team of writers piece together the story and direction for TFA, then completely abandoned that to give Rian Johnson full writer/director credits for TLJ which resulted in basically everything built up in TFA getting tossed, and now we're flipping back to JJ and the 'filmmaking by committee' team to try and salvage SWIX.

You can say what you want about the PT, the writing, the acting, the directing, etc... but it at least had a pretty consistent tone and style to it. The ST is going to be looked back on as one, big, fucking, tonally inconsistent mess.

The sun was it's power source. No sun, no weapon.

I see Disney is taking the whole "killing the past" thing very seriously. Somehow I wouldn't be shocked if IX involved blowing up Tatooine so that we could have the new and unique desert world of Jakku take its place.

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No there no. Kylo himself isn't. Kylo has his helmet back . they should some IX footage to shareholders last week where kylo was talking to vader's Helmet

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If he didn't already know the location of Ilum (and since he has ex-Jedi on his team he damn well should) the Emperor seized the Jedi Temple and all its records and most of the secrets. You didn't really expect Ilum to somehow go unmolested, did you? That's pretty silly.

"Hey Vader, you know I'm trying to wipe the Jedi out, all of them, but you know what would be really silly? If I left their primary temple and source of kyber crystals for their lightsabers just sitting there. Wouldn't that be kooky?"

I mean hell, in the old EU Dooku and the Separatists tried to blow the place up. Pretty much succeeded in fucking it up for the most part, though Luminara and Barriss, backed up by Yoda and Padme, were able to do some good.

I bet if you lived on the exact opposite side of the planet from the Senate/Jedi Temple you'd barely notice an invasion

"Hey guis, you remember all that those wacky times we had with The Last Jedi? Yeah, we don't either. Turns out it was a BAD DREAM!"

who the fuck is this nigga

its more like he rebuilt it using red glue and retreated back to Vader worship cause Rey isn't answering their force bond anymore. speaking of Rey she is hiding the scar she got in the throne room .

richard e grant is playing a First order officer that answers to kylo and the knights of ren like the new red legion storm troopers

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At some point I suppose they'll reveal her wound whens she was gutted in the control room and has been holding her insides on the inside using the Force.

They're going to send Rey Forward to the Past to put everything right. Then they can start making their own Prequel Trilogy.

>the knights of ren

Oh, so are they FINALLY fucking acknowledging that they exist? Might have been fucking useful to have around when Kylo was preparing to murder Snoke, but I guess that wouldn't subvert our expectations enough!

A member of the First Order who actually looks older than the age of 25

>fixed mask (with kyber crystal?)

FOR LITERALLY WHAT PURPOSE

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It's a very thick belt.

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>We finally get an on screen named A-Wing pilot
>They blow her up within 30 minutes
>mfw

Why do we get no respect, A-Wing bros?

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The Force has abandoned us.

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It should have worked like a Cold War honestly

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They were in the beyond / Unknown searching for something that may or may not tie into the source of the dark side sheev has been hearing in the books of nu canon. Sheev is also rumoured to appear in IX somehow (probably a holocron)

Kerri russel is a bounty hunter (thou she still could be a knight in disguise )

Matt smith is someone secret (rumours range from a random storm trooper to a young Sheev Clone to whoever Snoke's attendees peace out too at the begining of the throne room scene )

Naomi Ackie is rumoured to be someone allied to the resistance Either Lando's Daughter or Finn's sister (most rumours that hint to a relationship is cause she's black )

Dominic Monaghan is playing a
resistance officer

Both the Resistance and the FO are searching for a McGuffin

Cause he has too look cool infront of his knights

her arm wound not stomach user

Why the fuck was that dude not going to Fistsville on her ribs!? Arm damn near goes limp These guys are supposed to be the best the First order has. Also who the fuck choreographed this so I can kick their ass.

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Wow those dudes are limited edition ultra rares. So I have to ask. WHO THE FUCK TOOK HIM OUT OF THE PACKAGING. HE'S RUINED!

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>her arm wound not stomach user
Watch the webm. The arm isn't the wound she needs to worry about.

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> Mon Mothma basically declares that everyone who was associated with the Imperial government is a war criminal.

You complain about bad writing when you start off making the rebellion, who had no indication they would ever turn away help from imperial defectors, start off doing the most retarded thing possible.

doesn't matter

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To you maybe.

To everyone if theres not mention in the narrative then it didn't happen . sadly editing mistakes happen

Negative. Force Kick is and forever shall be canon.

YOU may not like it, and good for you, but it can still matter to someone else. You don't get to dictate that. It's also hard to call it an editing mistake when Rey clearly reacts in pain to it. That's not editing, that's them deciding to go in a different direction but not reshooting.

thats what I meant

>It's completely in character and I love it.
It's not. What's in character is pulling some dark side immortal bullshit to come back.

I mean at this point if anyo of that shit true it too little too late

he's doing that too dear friend

theres two leaks that mention it and some other stuff that have been proven mostly true

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Ragtag animated series never

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Who invited Aphra?

It's Matt Smith, user. A young Snoke clone is believable but this man could never play a believable human, let alone Sheev at any rage beyond burnt buttface.

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Luke and Leia basically got blacklisted by the NuRepublic because they were Vader’s kids despite being two of the biggest the heroes of the rebellion

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Are you retarded?

This is not true. In Bloodline people are understandably worried that among Vader's children Luke is rebuilding the Jedi and Leia nearly assumed the First Senator position. While Leia agreed to step down from consideration as First Senator she still had plenty of support. Mon Mothma, even filled with space cancer, supported her and admits she always suspected and it never mattered because she knew the person Leia was, trusting her completely. Instead she decided to quit because she was disgusted with NR politics and knew there was a true threat out there. She founded the Resistance, recruiting a bunch of NR pilots who had no problems with her, on her quest to uncover the truth of the First Order.

Meanwhile the New Republic Senate is filled with pro-Imperial minded individuals, especially among the Centrists (Rian Johnson's contribution to the novel and NR politics he proceeded to do absolutely fuck all with). They trade in memorabilia, have special clubs where they trade stories of how important their Imperial family members were back in the day, and generally believe that the Empire was corrupted by a number of problems but mostly Vader who had to have been strong arming the poor old Emperor.

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someone doesn't like his acting it seems .

I heard Kennedy has a slew of supporters but there’s probably plenty of hardcore st fans at Lucasfilm but I heard igers purposesly letting her tank the franchise to prove a point

Conspiracy theories even on Yea Forums are never a good look . you always sound crazy

Oh come on, Snoke isn't THAT bad a role. Or did you mean his looks? I guarantee you, Matt Smith can take such criticism. That was how he was chosen for the 11th Doctor, after all. Moffat hired him specifically because he doesn't quite look human. If you're worried he can't manage a villain he was the secret antagonist of Terminator Genisys, Super Skynet, Lord of Timelines.

Kudos to him putting effort into such a crappy movie, too. If he does play a young Palpatine let's hope he hits the gym again.

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I mean look at these goddamn arms. You just know he could bench press the entire Jedi Temple and break it over his knee any time he wanted to.

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snoke is dead there not going to revive him when all the nu canon surrounding the movies has hinted that sheev's finger prints are on every aspect of the ST down to him having a big stake in Jakku.

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Welcome to pre-TFA when everyone was sure all signs pointed to Plagueis.

>HOLY SHIT have you seen Rey's staff!

Yeah, good luck with that. And the villain of Into Darkness isn't Kahn.

Only way snoke comes back is if hux wears his ring and gets poessessed by him momin style

"When Palpatine founded the Empire, he did so like a parasite"

Get out of here, Traviss
And marry me

remnant group of second failed attempt of neo-space nazis manages to asspull a superior in every way robot that the OG neo-space nazis had.

it's tech alone would probably let it solo the OG space war.

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I think Iger just really doesn't know what he's doing with the franchise, or is at least betting it all on the new park addition. No quality control with the movies, saying there are no issues with EA's contract, not kicking Hasbro's ass....

>Luke and Leia basically got blacklisted by the NuRepublic because they were Vader’s kids despite being two of the biggest the heroes of the rebellion

EU shit isn't canon.

>Rebels or FO find and accidentally open a stasis pod
>out steps Ian McDiarmid

how do you react

I think, "Damn. I'm glad I didn't give Disney any money to see this garbage."

I'm honestly expecting them to do something with those Palpatine Sentinel Robots or something.

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CIS did nothing wrong, they just wanted to secede from a corrupt Republic.
And how does the Republic react to these systems wanting freedom? By siccing an army of slave clone soldiers on them, led by Jedi, who claim to be peaceful diplomats and peacekeepers yet aren't afraid to go to war when the Republic orders them to.

To be fair the CIS were full of cunts but that tends to happen when space satan is running the show, also why the fuck was a democratic republic of planets so butthurt about a few planets leaving anyways

>See the sep parliament in TCW when they try to show that there's "good people on both sides"

So were the confederate senators blind or retarded to not know what their armies were actually doing

>And how does the Republic react to these systems wanting freedom?

After incessant declarations that the CIS was intending to go to war, and then sending a force when there was concrete proof that they were armed for it? Damn straight you get your guns when you have them.

>So were the confederate senators blind or retarded to not know what their armies were actually doing

A mixture of both, but mostly the latter. They never had a clear idea of what their droid armies were actually doing. The Confederate parliament was a farce on matters pertaining to the war. Apart from Dooku, the CIS' armies were controlled by the corporate heads, like Wat Tambor, Nute Gunray, San Hill ect.

Peacekeepers doesnt mean pacifists. Jedi have fought for justice for thousands of years.

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Neo Zeon has now been explained as something Char's ghost made using knowledge of the Newtype afterlife when he possessed Full Frontal. Kind of stupid (and a bit creepy) but still more explanation than anything related to Star Killer base.

Man, how do you go from looking like some nebbish geek on Doctor Who to looking like you should be cutting off people's thumbs as the heavy in a Guy Richie film?

>EU shit isn't canon.
Are you faggots still saying that after Saw Gerrera and Legless Maul appeared in movies?

Weren't the TCW/rebels shows always part of the didney canon?

TCW is canon, retard.

I actually really liked Finn in TFA... then TLJ comes by and just fucks him up.

He was definitely better, I just wish he'd had more time bonding with Poe rather than immediately going full MUH REY

Just like all the books and comics since 2014.

What? I thought FF was just a modified cyber newtype who got Char's memories and personality downloaded from the Sazabi's psychoframe?

Poe also gets fucking ruined in TLJ for an arc... about.. I don't know? something? Like it's bad he disobeyed but also good?

Basically TLJ is a movie that managed to ruin every single character, even Rey had potential with the mystery's around her at the end of TFA then it's just "lol she's some nobody who's strong because the Force says so"

Yeah, that's how FF was created, but the new Gundam NT movie confirms that the whole 'possessed by the ghost of Char' thing was literal and further adds that the Neo Zeong was built by FF using Char's knowledge. NT really goes all the way with the Newtype craziness, even more so than Unicorn.

What was really stupid was Kylos line about how her parents were "nobodies, you come from nothing"

That was purely Rian talking to the audience through Kylo. Rey never said a word about thinking her parents were important, legendary heroes or some shit and had no reason to believe so. The only thing she ever said was that she had faith they would come back for her. Rey suddenly bursting into tears at Kylo revealing her parents weren't some super special lineage makes no sense at all

Nah, Iger has probably never been a Star Wars or even a Scifi fan before so he has zero idea what the hell to do with the franchise. And handing things off to completely random directors that have made some successful scifi films in the past does not seem to be working.

youtube.com/watch?v=KPSKkxTQFEU

No. The New Republic apparently demilitarized itself as part of some treaty with the First Order.

yeah but AUDIENCES thought it must mean she had some lineage. SO GOTTA SUBVERT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF SUBVERTING EXPECTATIONS.

That was basically all of TLJ just subversion for the sake of it.

They didn't per any treaty. See it turned out when they named themselves the Alliance to Restore the Republic they weren't kidding. They resumed the structure of the Republic right up to Palpatine declaring he was turning it into the Empire. This means she still had Emergency Powers. She could order the massive fleet they've acquired to any world and burn it down. She didn't want that. She wanted to resist all that power in the hands of one person, give it back to the Senate.

She also pointed out that the people fighting for the Rebellion and New Republic weren't soldiers. They were farmers, tradesman, anyone who lost something to the Empire and wanted to fight. She pointed out that she couldn't hold them indefinitely as soldiers. So when they fully confirmed the war was over and there were no more threats she wanted the military cut back to 10% of its current level. This is after the Battle of Jakku, mind you. It eventually did happen per the Resistance cartoon. The military stood down much of its forces and Yeager and others found themselves without duty, so he personally went into racing. Mothma's idea was also that instead of a huge military like the Empire's they would instead train any world that wanted it's own military, and they were function as the Alliance did. In times of need people draw together for common cause. Unfortunately per Bloodline the New Republic never fulfilled its promises. They didn't protect or patrol anything outside their borders and largely turned blind eyes to all kinds of shit. The Senate was completely dysfunctional. The First Order had managed to infiltrate the Senate to a degree, likely contributing to the problem. They also empowered pirate and mercenary groups to hamper the Republic without having to reveal themselves.

no you nincompoop, it was a treaty with the former Empire.

starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Military_Disarmament_Act

>The Military Disarmament Act was a law passed by the Galactic Senate of the New Republic near the end of the Galactic Civil War between the Republic and the Galactic Empire. The legislation severely limited the makeup and operations of the Republic's Defense Fleet and army, reducing the overall size of the centralized military by ninety percent. The disarmament movement was undertaken in an effort to reflect the values of a democratic peacetime government and allowed the newly-formed Republic to focus on political cooperation instead of military control as its primary means of civil organization. The Military Disarmament Act also acted as a mechanism to legitimize the mandated disarmament of the remnants of the Imperial Military as outlined in the Galactic Concordance peace treaty that ended the war, further promoting the goal of a peaceful coexistence between the two demilitarized powers.

What's stupid about it is parentage isn't what makes you special (not Kylo Ben is likely to get that) it's the Force. A slave could be special, or a farmboy. Jedi of old were collected from across the galaxy regardless of who their family was.

Yea but that's the republoc, that user meant individual planets keeping their own armies so that no empire rolls up on their front door again

swreference.wordpress.com/2019/01/20/state-of-the-galaxy-i-the-empire/

The fun thing is that the Centrists, who had the strongest pro-Imperial sentiment and advocated for a strong central government with an expanded military were infiltrated and supported by the First Order. Of course the ultimate goal was to make those people comfortable with something like the First Order. Carise Sindian planned to eventually lead her own worlds she represented and many other Centrists in seceding from the Republic and joining the First Order. Given we learn several worlds did unconditionally surrender after Hosnian Prime it's possible this was eventually carried out.

Well that's a flawed document. Coruscant didn't become part of the New Republic until decades after ROTJ.

starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Coruscant_provisional_government

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There's levels of terrible or even dumb people can tolerate. I like fast and the furious doesn't mean I like all moves of similar tone and/or subject matter.

Star Wars has actually always been good including now

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> you thought I keep the senate under my control with just a FIGURATIVE iron fist, anakin?
*flexes so hard his sleeves rip*
> there's political power, and the dark side is strong, true. but REAL strength comes from inside.....my muscles.

Yeah, they're of "The Road Not Taken" sort. That was the whole prmise of Marvel's "What IF-?" comics.

*premise

godammit

>Mary Sue
There is no such thing, unless you mean "Character I Don't Like".

Demonstrably untrue.

This should have happened shortly before TFA as the result of a long Cold War between the factions.

>"nuh-UH"
Stellar argument.

It was the only argument your lazy assertion deserved.