So why didn't Fury do this when aliens invaded new york, or when ultron almost killed the planet?

Because it probably would have been over when she got there.

Yes that is why this stupid. Makes these huge calamities seem lesser if Fury didn't think to press his magic pager during any of them, why is ambiguous off-screen space wars more important than Earth? It is incredibly stupid to wait until AFTER everyone got dusted, and they pretty much lost, to call her. Poorly thought out.

Because the franchise did not grow that big by then. If they had the opportunity, they would have introduced her as well as a foil between Cap and Tony.

Also would have introduced the Skrulls as working for Loki.

He did. Feige answered this in an interview.

>ultron
No clue.

>New York
Let's say he did. The events of Avengers were only over the course of about a day, or at least the parts that would justify calling her, so she wouldn't have got to Earth till after it was all over.

Because of travel time, New York and Ultron were over the course of like 24-48 hours and that beacon has to go from earth to her and then she has to cross galaxies to make it back to earth.

that's a common thing people always forget about
like how the majin buu saga basically happened over the course of an afternoon

Imagine all these shit that could have been avoided if she were here earlier. This is the official "you fucked up and now we're all dust" tier list:

1. Fury
2. Thor
3. Quill

So here's the thing that bothers me. What good would that pager have done IF she got dusto'd? Seems off.

Fury knew he had a team that could handle those crises, obviously. Sam Jackson said as much. With the snap, people are disappearing all around him and there’s nothing they can do about it, it feels like the end of the world is actually happening, not just possible. That overrides anything Captain Marvel may have going on out there in space.

>Tony works himself to near death preparing for the inevitable alien invasion; has extreme paranoia and anxiety about it, anything he does is never enough
>meanwhile Fury had an I Win button in his pocket the whole time, lots of world-ending threats and obviously something big is going to happen soon...doesn't press it until after everyone's already dead.

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He was just gambling that she didn't. It's a hail Mary which may not have mattered because a cosmic event like that wouldn't absolutely require a distress signal from Earth.

He wasn't a Sorcerer by then, was he?

>It is incredibly stupid to wait until AFTER everyone got dusted
And there was also a 50% chance of her being turn into dust

How do you know he didn't, and she didn't arrive until after the threat was dealt with?

Ultron was literally like an hour or two

what was the timeline on the tesseract? buried in the ice in the 40s, found and eperimented upon by mar-vell?? then just held onto by fury until captain america is found?

but the whole buu saga took roughly 3 days. A better example would be how the events of namik happened withing 24 hours of Bulma, Krillin and Gohan landing.

Yeah there's really no in universe excuse for it. Especially in the first Avenger movie where Loki has scattered the Avengers and it doesn't look like the team is going to work

Yeah I they got it when they got Cap out. Mar-vell's Pegasus project was a $1 billion government mistake there lost it. They found it cloaked in orbit.

>captain marvel starts fighting in climatic battle
>gwen stefani "just a girl" starts playing

>has two entire montages of men saying she can't do it
>why don't you smile? meme
>ending scene is telling a man that she doesn't have to prove herself because she's a woman

Timeline seems to be
>space stone created by one of the singularities that birthed the universe
>placed into Semi-clear cube by some advanced beings, presumably to harness its power
>Left on Earth by Asgardians in the wake of their war agaisnt the Frost Giants
>Found by Red Skull, used to make powerful machines and dangerous weapons
>Lost in the sea after sending off Red Skull to Vormir during battle with Captain America
>Found by Howard Stark as he searches for Captain America
>Stark uses research on Tesseract in his attempts to improve the Arc Reactor
>Project Pegasus, a joint benture by SHIELD and US government gets access to Tesseract in order to harness its power
>Try to use it to make a lightspeed engine
>Mar-Vell secrets it away on her ship to power the engine, I guess to protect it
>Carol and co go to retrieve it and the Skrull refugees, cube eaten by Flerken
>barfed up by Flerken on Earth
>Thor’s arrival on Earth reignites research on Tesseract, this time bringing Selvig in to work on it, intention is now to make weapons
>Stolen by Loki in his deal with Thanos.
>Ends up sent back to Asgard for Safekeeping
>Loki takes it when Asgard is to be destroyed
>Thanos coerces Loki into giving it up, destroys outer covering, sets stone in Gauntlet.

Because fuck sokovia, that's why!

Was Mar-vell always a women? I assumed Jude Law was going to be playing him.

thats.... actually pretty good. this movie seems like it handles 48 hours worth of movie continuity pretty well.

What's a flerken

>how the Ancient One didn't do anything for these multiple world-ending crisis meanwhile Doctor Strange immediately ambushes a much less threatening Loki during Ragnarok.
World ending isn't necessarily Sanctum ending. They're different domains.

You were supposed to assume that, it was meant to mislead anyone familiar with the lore.

An alien that looks like a cat, but has a mouth full of tentacles and a pocket dimension inside it where it can store things it swallows, and lays eggs. It’s implied to have been Mar Vell’s pet when she was posing as a human scientist on Earth.

So, the gender swap is just another feminist thing that made this movie horrible?

How strong is it, and does it have human level sentience?

Some people seem upset that it makes no sense that Fury implied in Avengers 1 that Thor was their first encounter with alien life, but of course, they forget that Fury is an established liar, and a spy in charge of a massive agency with tons of classified information.

No, but his name briefly appeared during the algorithm targeting scene as a potential threat.

In the movie, it’s got enough intelligence (or maybe it’s just sense of smell) to tell a disguised ally from an enemy, but otherwise usually acts like a cat. It’s also powerful enough to eat a room full of human-sized enemies whole.

>So why didn't Fury do this when aliens invaded new york, or when ultron almost killed the planet?

That's comics for you. A big threat pops up, and often the only capes to show up are the ones in the title. Unless sales are low-ish, in which case Spidey or Bubsman makes a special guest-appearance.

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Fury is a miserable pile of secrets. He's gone one before about how he likes to keep Group A.'s secrets from Group B., and to hold all the cards himself.

lol why would he mention his secret weapon to a bunch of unstable pissbabies melting down over one single enemy who was in their custody? he didnt want to talk about the tesseract weapons, it makes no sense he'd want to open up an even larger can of worms.

Why was there zero mentioning of her or anything from the movie?
>Where is the cat?
>Where is Jude Law?
>What happened to that black family?
>Where did she go? Why didn't the Guardians ever see her?
>Why didn't she stop Thanos from destroying Xandar?
>Why didn't she ever come back to earth to visit her black bestie?
>Why didn't she come back to check if the tesseract is being safely used?

He fucking lied to the Avengers faces in the first movie and everyone is treating him as a reliable narrator... baka

widow mentions this as well in winter soldier, a film where he repeatedly fakes his death.

Maybe he did, but she just never could get there in time.

It's okay user, only a handful of people died in both of those "calamities" anyway.

my guess is theyre leaving room for a sequel to possibly tackle the years between her movie and endgame (simmilar to ww movies slowly catching up to present day), gives the creators some flexibility in where they go next.

What Loki lead those New York attack’s that almost ended NYC. makes ambushing him a lot more priority

Why did Fury even bother to think up the Avengers Initiative if he could just call Carol up? Checkmate MCUcks

Well, you don’t find much intelligent analysis of character motivations like that in YouTube comments. Unfortunately, prepare to likely hear arguments like that in real life discussions of the film with normies who didn’t think about it for very long.

>Where is the cat?
Wherever it wants to be, it displayed a remarkable ability to get from point A. to B. with no one the wiser (like the escape jet)
>Where is Jude Law?
Pulling a shitty beat in the Hala system?
>What happened to that black family?
Carol's friend is probably a SHIELD Pilot or with some special program. People like Betty Ross and Jane Foster aren't the focus of the plots.
>Where did she go? Why didn't the Guardians ever see her?
Somewhere unreachable by Kree jump technology, were you paying attention.
>Why didn't she stop Thanos from destroying Xandar?
Because Thanos didn't send her advance notice, and she's off being the Skrull Herald.
>Why didn't she ever come back to earth to visit her black bestie?
She might say in Endgame. Shit happens in space.
>Why didn't she come back to check if the tesseract is being safely used?
Because she has other shit going on, or trusts Fury, or figures Earth can already blow itself up with atomic warheads so what's another tesseract? This isn't 1940 anymore.

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Carol was helping the poor skrulls play pinball in outer space

He literally says "Our alien defense system is on the other side of the Universe" at the end of the movie. Congrats, a Disney movie went over your head.

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He had the other Avengers right there, and Carol is god knows where.

He called her at the end of Infinity War because people were literally dissapearing left and right.

>Somewhere unreachable by Kree jump technology, were you paying attention.
But they used a jump to travel in the end

Probably because they had no idea if Carol would even make it to the MCU back then.

The answer is that it's shitty out-of-universe writing and they don't care enough to iron out the details in-universe because they think you're stupid and don't pay attention to or enjoy those details...

Feige and Co. are making it sound like Cap Marvel is the strongest being in MCU right now.
If that's the case, what's the point of having the other Avengers in Endgame? Just have her smash the patri- I mean, have her smash Thanos and be done with it.

When the Avengers separated he didn't call Carol.

To leave Earth's system, sure. They have a plan to gather as many Skrulls as can be found, then piss off out of the Galaxy. It is really clearly explained in an exposition dump in the yard in Louisiana.

>Where is the cat?

It's an alien, why would it stick around? There's nothing that says it didn't leave with the Skrulls or go to some skrull refugee hidey hole at a later date. Why would Fury keep it around?

>Where is Jude Law?

Off with the other Kree, why would he reappear? The black teammate of Carol's later showed up as Ronan's 2nd in command in Guardians. Is it unreasonable to think that Jude Law didn't side with Ronan when Ronan went rogue after he retreated from Carol? This is a stupid question, next.

>What happened to the black family

Chilling out, doing black family things. Why don't other movies involve anybody from the Nova Corps outside of the Guardians of the Galaxy? Hell, they literally all died offscreen to Thanos after Quill and his gang saved them all in Guardians 1. The better question is why would they be there?

>Where did she go?

Fighting the Kree. She said the pager had a radius of 'a few galaxies'. That's a fucking huge area.

>Why didn't the Guardians ever see her?

Guardians 1 opens with Ronan going rogue because the Kree had just lost a war to Nova. In fact, they even explicitly state that the actual fighting force of Nova (aka, where Carol probably is) isn't defending Xandar when Ronan shows up because they just finished occupying the border planets. Quill vs Ronan is a relative sideshow in a fight between two galactic empires.

>Why didn't she stop Thanos from destorying Xandar?

This is a fair question, I hope this gets elaborated on. It's possible she got distracted, Thanos had the entire Chitauri to use to create distractions for her. By this logic, why didn't she stop any of the other shit from happening, like the destruction of Asgard or the almost destruction of Xandar by Ronan?

>Why didn't she ever come back to Earth

She probably did, it just wasn't a relevant detail.

She's stronger than Superman for sure.

B-but he had hope!

>Check on the tesseract

She had/has no idea what it actually is, why would she need to check? Or if she does, they call earth a backwards shithole, that's like being worried that Somalia will somehow magically acquire nukes.

It's still a pager, right? So it can send specific messages and not just act as a distress beacon. That said, it's entirely possible Fury did activate it during The Battle of NY and Ultron's plot, and simply sent another message saying "All Clear".

You have to remember Carol fucked off to far reaches of space, and those prior crisises lasted anywhere from a day to a week, tops. Even in Captain Marvel, it stated that Kree ships needed a day or two to reach Earth, and they're relatively locals to our position.

I'm not trying to make excuses or anything, because this canon loves to change things on the fly. I'm merely saying Carol not showing up is arguably understandable given what we know.

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Talk about something going over your head, lol

Why didn't he call her before? Thanos was a threat to the entire universe.

>When the Avengers separated he didn't call Carol.
When the Avengers separated, all that was known was that Thor's half-brother was trying to jack the Tesseract on behalf of himself or a second party. Loki wasn't broadcasting his intention to invade Earth with an alien attack force.

>It's an alien, why would it stick around? There's nothing that says it didn't leave with the Skrulls or go to some skrull refugee hidey hole at a later date. Why would Fury keep it around?
The post credits scene, after all the credits, shows the cat in Fury's office throwing up the Tesseract onto his desk.

Not him but Fury had zero idea Thanos even existed. All he knew was "oh fuck, people are turning into dust"

The alien attack was obvious.

Fury doesn't know who Thanos is, just that aliens popped down in New York and Europe, a force 10 times larger popped down the next day in Africa, and suddenly he's turning to dust.

Did he lost contact with Tony & co?

He said his line! I clapped when he said the line!

No, but him existing means they were at least considering adding him, and by extension, the wizards and magic, to the setting.

Remember what happened in Infinity War
>Tony with Pepper in park
>Doctor Strange shows up, gives him a powerpoint on The Stones and Bruce explains who Thanos is
>Ebony Maw shows up before Tony and co can coordinate a defensive
>Tony is then stuck in space heading straight towards Titan, unable to communicate
>Cap and crew, who know of Thanos, can't contact Fury because they have no line to him and are wanted fugitives.

>Why didn't she stop Thanos from destorying Xandar?
>By this logic, why didn't she stop any of the other shit from happening, like the destruction of Asgard or the almost destruction of Xandar by Ronan?
I mean, those are still pertinent questions. Why couldn't she help them

He was too afaid that she was going to show up in open toed shoes.

Before what? The only people on Earth that are aware that Thanos is plotting some universal catastrophe are Banner, Stark and Strange. Stark called Steve to tell him Vision and Wanda were in danger from Aliens looking for the Mind Stone, and were immediately swept off the planet when Maw attacked.
So all Fury could have possibly known, IF on-the-run Steve even called him, was that there were aliens looking to nap the Vision's stone.
He may know Thanos as the guy who got his ass kicked in NY by the Avengers, he has no idea of the mega-threat posed by the 6 stones. Or that there even ARE six related relics.

He's not aware because as far as the Avengers know, he's a spy with a flying aircraft carrier, not some guy with a pager to a Cosmic Hero.

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>magic
It's literally just advanced science

Pagers could only send numbers in the 90s.

No time for her to fly back and save them all from Thanos. I mean if he could have he would have, and she could have turned the nuke around in midair and thrown it through the gate at the Chitauri control ship without having the drama of flying through with it like Iron Man.

People randomly turning into dust with no reason (though frankly he probably knew as much about Thanos as the Avengers did since he's goddamn Fury). It's also possible he didn't have his pager with him on the helicarrier. It may have been the events of New York that convinced him to keep it close, or it may have been the Avengers breaking up that convinced him as a backup since Earth's mightiest were being huge drama queens and were less than reliable.

Fury has a super-spy pager, he clearly sends and receives a short text.

Can they do more now?

Not true. Hell even Fury's had text capability while in that SHIELD base as we clearly saw

The new alien attack in New York and Iron Man vanishing made the news and Cap and crew had time to reach out or at least consider reaching out. That was the point of mentioning Hawkeye and Ant-Man doing the whole family thing.

So Tony can contact a fugitive about Thanos but not Fury. So convenient.

It would make sense for SHIELD to have an "advanced" signal device capable of sending 50 letters of message.

>Fly back
She just randomly appears behind Black Widow. Thats teleportation levels of travel right there.

Reach out fucking how? Again, what method/line did they have to Fury? They had none. Any wide spread communication to fish him out would have only led to their capture thanks to Ross being a dick and thus delay everything.
Yeah because fucking Cap gave Tony that phone. Neither party had a line to Fury.

It was Banner who dialed Cap up. After Stark leaves he's with Team Cap, so he'd have no way to contact Fury.

>Why didn't she ever come back to earth to visit her black bestie?
Her limitless power probably leaves her with Dr Manhattan-level disconnect with humanity, on top of being ageless

>So Tony can contact a fugitive about Thanos but not Fury. So convenient.
Again, what would Steve think Fury could do? Getting embroiled with fugitives wouldn't help Fury's cause, and Steve and Fury both would think this is "Tesseract 2: Thanos Boogaloo" which they handled the first time, and now have an even larger team to deal with.

The pager signal was going on for a long time, they were keeping it going with backup power. She didn’t arrive instantly, otherwise she would have shown up in the streets where he dropped it. It’s likely days if not weeks after.

In 1995 the first commercially available two way pager was sold to the public. The movie is set in the same year and Fury had access to SHEILD tech.

Fury's just bad at his job

It’s considered one of the most dangerous creatures in the universe, because it can eat seemingly anything whole from a distance with its mouth tentacles, some of which have their own mouths, and it’s probably at least somewhat smarter than a normal cat.
But then again, we don’t really know how smart cats really are.

>Yeah because fucking Cap gave Tony that phone. Neither party had a line to Fury.
Fury is so incompetent. He united the Avengers but gave them no contact. What if shit turned real and he had to contact Carol?

>It’s considered one of the most dangerous creatures in the universe
That's hyperbole, it's danger rating was "High" the Kree didn't seem particularly terrified of it. They threw it in a carrier and were leaving with it.

I think Avengers randomly going poof was a good enough emergency.

>Super Spy wasn't bugging the phone
He is incompetent

Fury never intended or set himself up as the "Leader" or director of the Avengers.
His goal was to simply get them accustomed to working in cooperation against big threats. They aren't even really hanging out together (except Banner and Stark) until the events of Age of Ultron.
If shit turned real, the Avengers were supposed to deal with it. He only called Carol because it became apparent that the Avengers failed.

>species flerken: threat level, high to lethal
>species human: threat level, None to zero
I swear, the only times the audience laughed was when the cat showed up and the radio shack/blockbuster references.

>Reach out fucking how? Again, what method/line did they have to Fury? They had none. Any wide spread communication to fish him out would have only led to their capture thanks to Ross being a dick and thus delay everything.

He's a spy. Put out an ad in a newspaper, he'll read it. At his age he's about the only one who will still be reading physical goddamn papers.

Want to reach Fury, user? Pick up a phone anywhere near the heroes and say, "Hi Nick, still listening in?" It isn't that they'd need to call him, he probably already has the entire Avenger's compound and Secretary Rose's bathroom bugged. So really what you SHOULD be asking is why would they bother to contact Fury? Because he'll know.

It was already demonstrated that Stark and probably Banner were clever enough to out-science SHIELD. And people as paranoid as those two would certainly check for that.

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>They had none.
They have a Black Widow. If one spy doesn't know how to contact another then the spy game has really fallen far in the MCU.

>Thor’s arrival on Earth reignites research on Tesseract, this time bringing Selvig in to work on it, intention is now to make weapons
Why weren't they doing that in the previous decade after the Kree-Skrull war?

We're talking about the same spy/woman who fell for Fury's fake death.....

It's a space grizzly, or maybe even a space Grizzly Shark. Lethal to a Kree doesn't mean it can kill Thor. Groot is probably "High to Lethal".

Well I think maybe in the comics they said it’s super dangerous. The point is, they are considerably more dangerous than the ordinary housecat.

He paged her each time but he got no response.
He wanted to say like "motherfucker better pick up this time"

That just makes him a better spy than her. Huge shock. Still, what does that have to do with her not knowing spyguy methods of contacting him? She called up Hawkeye once from Ultron jail, for fucks sake.

I guarantee that if someone put a threat level scouter on Groot in the MCU it'd just say "Threat level, Groot."

Maybe it takes a decade, when you aren't Arnim Zola, a motherfucker so Dr. Sivana that he can put his sentience on magnetic tape spools?

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I thought the space carrier was funny

I like to think he paged her each time only to eventually page her back, "NVRMIND WE GOT IT." She's been halfway through space each time and is getting really super pissed at this. The only reason she bothered to respond this time and immediately said, "Where's Fury?" is she plans to put that pager up a place it's not supposed to be. His ass.

>The point is, they are considerably more dangerous than the ordinary housecat.
Duh. It's just a bit much to say it's the "most dangerous creature in the Universe". No one even tried to shoot the damn thing. It killed a handful of guys with tentacles, a thing Groot has done as well.

Because he could comprehend them.

We don't actually know WHEN Goose spat the cube back up. It could have been years.

So what was carol doing for the 20 years that Thanos was genociding his way across the galaxy collecting the stones?

Why did time pass normally for Quill but not for Danvers while on their outer space adventures? She doesnt seem to have aged at all when she returns.

Nope, Goku takes several weeks to reach Namek in his ship. Vegeta takes a nap after defeat Ginyu.
Gohan, Krillin and Bulma had a house in a cave, also theie travel last like 6 months.
The hack here is Namek has 3 suns so is always daytime.

Buu saga is like 12hours, They leave the tournament, Majin Vegeta returns to tournament, kills people, fat buu awakes, defest Vegeta, Babidi gets hurt, uses psychic shit to search for Trunks/Goten, Goku SS3 fights fat Buu, teaches fusion to kids, his FUCKING 24hours are gone in least time for SS3, old Kaioshin ritual is a couple hours, Gohan get's recked, Vegito fights for just an hour in retcon, kid buu teleports to fight Goku...
All that shit happens from 10am to 5pm at much.

She was with Skrulls in parts of space completely unreachable by all other known races. She wouldn’t have known what was going on in the previous galaxy unless she returned to check.

Kree blood in danvers

From the look of the computer on his desk, probably the early 2000s.