Serious Question: Wasn't Captain America the first Avenger?

Captain America is the "first avenger" even though nobody ever calls him that on virtue of being "the first" superhero but Fury named the team after Carol's nickname in the air force.

but whatever, fuck you OP. I see right through your bullshit.

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>Secret Empire
You must mean Secret Invasion. Secret Empire is a HYDRA event. Also, her arc was learning not to supress her emotions and her humanity, and instead embrace them as a source of strength.

Carol 'the avenger' Danvers
Go fuck yourself in your fat fucking ass

Cap's not that weird, all things considered, he's just a really strong guy. Also he's considered long dead, and Fury never met him.

She starts the film being pissed and emotional, e.g. in the fight scene where she gets the shit beaten out of her, she ends the film not learning a lesson and still being emotional

Also yeah I meant secret invasion, my mistake

Also I don't like that she learnt to fly out of nowhere, she didn't earn it like any other superhero so far, she did the real shit meme and flew

Literally nobody calls her "The First Avenger" They even released the first Captain America movie as JUST "The First Avenger" in many countries. Nobody calls her "The First Avenger". Also it was Carol "Avenger" Danvers. Go fuck yourself.

go fuck yourself you lying rat shit

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>Skrulls being good meaning Secret Empire won't happen
I feel thats a good thing,meaning the possibility of disney not having faith on Phase 4

Lol I thought that was a phoenix poster from the thumbnail.

I can't be the only one who's grossed out by this, right?

It wasn't really out of nowhere, because in a couple of the previous fights she had propelled herself with her blasts unintentionally, so it was set up that they could be used to move her. I don't think she should have been as proficient at it as we saw though.

>Carol Avenger Danvers
>Nick Fury names a team made for superhumans after her
Eat my ass you fucking retards

Is this shit a real poster?

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Nice photoshopped ass.

She didn't use the blasts to fly, she just did it though, I wouldn't have said shit if she flew with the armblasts

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You said somebody else is lying, but it says right there, just "Avenger". That's just a name Fury reused for his team. It doesn't make her "The First Avenger", that's still Cap's title.

Not an argument.

>Cap's team is literally named after Birdman's companion.

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>that's still Cap's title
>even though nobody calls him that.

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>She didn't use the blasts to fly, she just did it though
Yeah, but it still feels like foreshadowing when it happens though. It shows her energy projection powers can be used to propel her through the air. Arms vs lower body doesn't make much difference.

>Using "Avenger", instead of "Warbird"

I hate this shit, first old woman Mar-Vell, then Nick Fury eye, then this shit... lol

His picture is even on her plane next to her name!

It's the name of the damn movie.

Warbird in AF parlance literally means fighter jet.
That would be a stupid call-sign.

WOAH

She never used her legs with power, It just happens, if she spent any time training with her power i wouldn't be as annoyed about it

>She never used her legs with power
There's an energy rail coming out of her lower body when she flies. It's even in the trailers. I shouldn't have to spell this out for you, it's easily visible.

Outside of the time she flies, she never uses her power outside of her arms and when she does fly she's immediately perfect, if there was 1 scene of her training on the farm i'd have been great

He's the oldest Avenger and the 1st to become a Hero but Carol is the 1st Avenger.

of course not.

She wasn't it's Cap it always will be Cap

I actually agree that she should have had some kind of Iron-Man 1 like training scene trying to fly. I don't think it was fully out of nowhere, as it was somewhat foreshadowed, but a sort of faltering first-try scene would have sold that later expert flight scene better.

She literally flew for a living.
So she doesn't need to train on it like Bazinga.

If you really want to get into the nitty gritty of who was on the team first, Iron Man would have been the first Avenger.

I mean there's "Avengers," and there's "Avengers."

Iron Man wrangled himself onto the team after Fury recruited Cap. Fury just wanted him to be the tech guy for the team.

>Flying a plane and flying are the same thing
Im not asking for alot to improve it, it would make her feel less over powered

Remember, in the MCU, a person who got there powers from a fucking infinity stone is weaker than a person who got there powers in an explosion

>Remember, in the MCU, a person who got there powers from a fucking infinity stone is weaker than a person who got there powers in an explosion
The explosion the powered Carol was a device literally drawing power from the Space Stone.

Cap was the result of a lost and forgotten military experiment that could not be replicated.
Fury and Shield never considered the possibility that people would get powers outside of massive government projects and without them knowing it.

That’s why in Ironman they were so interested in talking to Stark after he returned because they were actively looking for leads on any possible super activity.

To make you think they play a bigger role and buy a ticket.

If you want to get REALLY anal about it, Thor is technically the first Avenger considering he's several thousand years older than both Caps. He was saving Earth so early, humans created myths about him and his extended family.

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Oh right Tony was just on as a consultant at first, I guess Cap really is the first Avenger any way you slice it.

>Directly being mutated by the mind stone since childhood
>Power transmitted to a engine which explodes

The first seems more impactful

It's pretty mundane, in the movie she's just the first person with superpowers that Nick Fury personally knows and talks to, that's it.

"Avenger" isn't synonymous with "superhero".
"Avenger" means you enlisted in Fury's Avenger Initiative, a thing he invented after Carol had left.

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He is spiritual founder, guy, who was avenger before avengers were a thing. In the time of Cap protecting Earth was not a priority, Cap was Weapon I, and just like Weapon X(Logan) his initial task was protecting humans from metahumans.

Classically, being exploded with energy is top-tier superhero power origin.

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Which is stupid and unnecessary. Everybody already bought a ticket so they would be caught up for Avengers four. I know that why I went to watch it. All in all, not a terrible movie, desu. Solid 6-7/10. The gurrl power moments were glaring. And making Mar'vell a woman was just insulting, other than that, not bad.

By that definition she still doesn't apply because Cap was still the first official person to sign up after thawing. It would have been Tony, had he not fucked up in Iron Man 2

Cap's initial task was selling War Bonds.
He didn't become an Avenger til he woke up and Fury asked him to join the Avenger Initiative, which happened in "First Avenger".

Bruce has a major downside to being the hulk, Carol is basically Jesus with no training

I'm not saying she applies; she literally never joined the Avengers because it didn't exist as an idea til she was already gone.

So?

Just a reminder that Brie asked for Jackson, so the only reason Fury was in this movie is her, this "Avengers name" origin is her fault too.

>Directly being mutated by the mind stone since childhood
That doesn't describe anyone, but you must be talking about Scarlet Witch, right? Well in addition to being shown as incredibly powerful, being almost on par with CM if you consider her feats like destroying all the saw machines at once, she wasn't mutated since childhood, SHIELD only could have gotten a hold of the Scepter after 2012-ish when Loki attacked.

So her being the most powerful being in the MCU is pretty bullshit

>Just a reminder that Brie asked for Jackson
Only because they were already friends in real life.

Are you terminally stupid? That's exactly what said. Carol "Avenger" Danvers. Lrn2read you idiot

except it's not. Bruce could learn to control the Hulk but doesn't want to, Carol uses her powers to protect the earth and help other aliens.

She was in the post credits of Winter Soldier and already had her powers

It's a canon both in MCU and books like ir or not

Movie Hulk is just knock-off SS serum and the wrong rays (Gamma).
Bruce got off pretty well looking at people like Blonsky. He wasn't bombarded with unleashed Space Stone energy.

If anyone got screwed it was Jane Foster. She contained the entire Power Stone for a while and got jack shit out of it.

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Prove it then?

So you think she aged from being a child to an adult in the space of Winter Soldier to Age of Ultron?

>Carol Danvers is retroactively the core of the Avengers and the inspiration for the team but we never knew it until now because she was so super cool and awesome

Yeah no fuck that

Talos's daughter is the future Skrull Queen who's going to invade Earth later

MCU bruce was trapped in the Hulk for month in Thor Ragnarok, there's a downside of he has no control, It's never stated that he wouldn't want control either

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>8
Nah, that's a mistake on my part, still
>Years being mutated
>One explosion

I know which sounds like it'd make someone more powerful

She is. Don't you remember? The name comes from her call name when she was a pilot. God, you incels need to pay attention more.

Right. So she could have had her powers at that point since at most 2-3 years before, when the Avengers happened. She'd be what, 22? 23? Certainly not a child. Definitely not a young child.

Franklyn Richards is you fucking retard

The marketing team can repeat whatever line they like. And the dumb op-ed journalists can parrot it as much as they like(those who haven't been fired). But that doesnt change the fact that Thor is still the strongest character we've seen in any of the movies. His feats in Infinity War trump anything Danvers does in this one.

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Yeah sounds right

That bring me thanos scene still kills me

>getting mad at your own narrative

Feat. He singularly survives being bombarded with energy from a neutron star (barely).
That's his most impressive feat in the MCU by a long ways.
So far, Carol's is wiping out an Accuser battle-cruiser by flying through it.

This is all well and good but you're all forgetting that Ant-Man was an active hero in between Captain America and Captain Marvel who worked for shield. The team should be the Antvengers

The Other: "You wield the scepter, do you not?"

Loki: (suddenly realizes he FORGOT the scepter that contains the mind stone, that can make you forget) "the scepter?!!"

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You're trying to assign some kind of predictability to something as nebulous as the Infinity Stones when
1. We don't know what the process by which Strucker exposed his subjects to the stone was
2. We don't know how the specific harnessing of Space-Stone energies by the lightspeed engine may have affected Carol's exposure differently to Wanda
3. These are two different Stones with different listed abilities, so it's hard to draw menaingful parallels
and most importantly
4. It's comic book science, it doesn't have to actually make sense.

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It's probably the single best scene in any of the Marvel movies up to this point. The fact that they made Thor go from the redheaded stepchild of the four main Avengers to being just as memorable as the other three.

Thor was literally doing that back in Avengers One Numbnuts. He also overpowered a fully powered infinity Gauntlet.

Again, being a costumed hero doesn't make you an Avenger. Otherwise Spider-Man wouldn't have had to be invited to be one.

The Avengers is a specific team. Carol isn't retroactively an Avenger in the same way that Rollo of Normandy isn't a Minnesota Viking.

Uh yeah, you can use the Mind Stone to manipulate minds, even at a bit of distance. Also that's a deleted scene. Not sure what you're trying to prove.

>Thor was literally doing that back in Avengers One Numbnuts.
Chitauri troop-carrier monsters =/= Battlecruisers. Even Iron Man wrecked one solo.

The REAL travesty is that it wasn't Jane Van Dyne who suggested the team name, but c'est la vie.

These are all what ifs though, honestly if Captain Marvel came out in phase 2, no one would care about where she is but right now, she's coming out before the build of of 10 years and is gonna beat thanos because bullshit, it doesn't feel earned

>and is gonna beat thanos because bullshit
What, do you really believe "guy who's uncle works for Disney" guy?
Stop being willfully stupid.

Can someone explain to me how the fuck old lady Mar Vell found the tesseract stone after Captain America killed himself burring it in 1940s?

Did it not tip you off that I'm messing around when I said "Antvengers"?

Are you retarded or simply weren't paying attention? There's a fucking scene in The First Avenger where Howard Stark fishes the space stone out of the ocean.

I don't want it to be true but why would they introduce Carol now instead of after? the film is out next month

Because Howard Stark found it. I don't blame you for not remembering since it was 10 years ago

Iron Man would probably wreck a Battlecruiser solo if one was put in front of him. You also have no basis to compare the Chitauri vessels with the Cree Battlecruisers. You're attempting to cherry pick shit to justify Carol being stronger than Thor. I don't know if you genuinely believe this is true, if you want it to be true, or if you're simply shitposting. But watching the movies its clear that Danvers is strong but nothing suggests she's as Strong as Thor, who overpowered the entire might of the infinity gauntlet. Which you ignored.

Dawg that movie was 20 years ago.

I'm not even claiming she's more powerful than Thor, calm your fucking tits.
Hulk one-punched one of those critters at the start of the fight, and those cruisers are immense.

So it's implied the stole it from Howard Stark? Can't remember what he does with it.

Vision said about the matching energy frequency, then stated that a "sufficient power source" would be required to destroy the mind stone.

Wanda destroys the Mind Stone and easily bitch slaps the Space Stone that Thanos tries to use to get to Vision but fails totally.

Only the energy frequency matches, the power is probably Chaos Magic, which Feige pretty much stated two years ago.

Wanda and Strange have the SAME LEITMOTIF when he fights Thanos and when she lifts the saws.

Chthon is likely the "evil spirt" who probably gives Vision a new soul in the Disney Plus series, and turns Erik Williams into Grim Reaper.

This. The real unaddressed question is that SHIELD let one of their scientists secret the Tesseract off to an undisclosed location they had no idea about, and that it basically was off their radar for several years in the 90s. Or was the intention that the Tesseract was in the ship, and Mar-Vell just opened a Tesseract doorway so that it would teleport back to her ship if the engine blew? I wasn't clear on that part.

He's a member of shield

studies it and discovers an element he lacks the technology to create, (which Tony does create to cure his poisoning). Then it gets likely mothballed for a bit, Mar-Vell uses her Kree Science to start tapping its true potential but gets killed, SHIELD ends up with it and starts developing weapons out of it (which Tony discovers), then Loki makes off with it.

>So it's implied the stole it from Howard Stark?
She was a high-ranking scientist with Project Pegasus, which I believe was a joint SHIELD/US military project to harness the Tesseract's power. That would have been how she got access to it in order to create a lightspeed engine.

Here's an easy timeline to follow
>Howard Stark fishes The Tesseract from the Atlantic
>SHIELD is too dumb to reverse engineer Zola's weapons and thus sit on the stone for years
>Flash forward to the late 1980s where Mar-Vell infiltrates SHIELD, poses as a brilliant mind, and tries to use The Tesseract to develop a warp engine
>Yon Rogg attacks, tries to steal warp engine
>Tesseract is left on ship safely until the 90s when Captain Marvel happens
>Flerkin eats Tesseract
>Flerkin coughs up Tesseract later
Mar-Vell only collected Tesseract energy just like Zola did in WW2. The stone was always on the ship. It's possible she subtly stole it from SHIELD at some point

>The real unaddressed question is that SHIELD let one of their scientists
Pegasus isn't part of SHIELD. They are basically both entities serving the government.
At least in the early years, SHIELD only answered to the US Government, not a UN body.

>At least in the early years, SHIELD only answered to the US Government
Where was that stated?

Meant for

>SHIELD is too dumb to reverse engineer Zola's weapons and thus sit on the stone for years
Howard is their top genius, and he's more interested in Limitless Energy and flying cars than weapons. He deciphers the element used for the Improved Arc Reactor from the Space Stone, but lacks the equipment to synthesize it.
That's the diagram he leaves on the map for Tony.

The fact that you need to remember 10 years of movie plots just to get this shitfest makes Captain Marvel the blandest MCU movie yet.

1. The Other disabled Loki's connection with The Other, a connection Loki used the scepter to achieve.
2. The scepter messed with the minds of the Avengers without Loki.
3. The scepter turned Banner into Hulk without Loki.

All three off the above are repeated in Age of Ultron, by Wanda, who turns Banner into Hulk, deactivates the scepter, and messes with the Avengers heads.

Maybe it was just Whedon being lazy.

What I mean is Loki did not wield the scepter. He was used as a gullible puppet by The Other.

The scepter can control the Mind Stone AND channel energy from the space stone.

>Chthon is likely the "evil spirt" who probably gives Vision a new soul in the Disney Plus series, and turns Erik Williams into Grim Reaper.
Can't wait if this is true. I love that creepy occult stuff.

It's rather implausible for them to be answering to the Russians and Chinese during the Cold War, dontcha think?

nah, it just filters out the falseflaggers.

Fury and Shield hadnt met him yet, plus compared to an alien demigod, cap isnt that weird, he's just a super strong dude.

and yet comics have been doing it for generations

its alright if you are too dumb to follow Disney movies, we won't judge you (much).

His flying car never worked I might add.
>he's more interested in Limitless Energy and flying cars than weapons
How is that true when his company was founded on weapons and he had a hand in the creation of the A-Bomb? The fact is that Howard barely understood Tesseract tech. He couldn't collect the energy like Zola did, and the closest thing he could do was create the arc reactor to mimic it, and that itself was a huge machine that took up space.

>His flying car never worked I might add.
Coulson literally flies around in a Howard Stark flying car. What the fuck are you talking about?
His very first Fair prototype had a malfunction.

Who was Carol avenging?

Yeah 70 plus years later. How do you know a think tank at SHIELD, or even Pym on a bored day, didn't figure it out instead? The point being is that despite Howard's great mind at the time, he couldn't replicate Arnim Zola's designs nor could he properly harness the power of the space stone. If he had, SHIELD would have been using HYDRA weapons decades ago

>How is that true when his company was founded on weapons and he had a hand in the creation of the A-Bomb?
Howard turned his genius to weapons to fight the Fascist threat, which is reasonable. Then his company became part of the Military Industrial Complex, but it was Stane who really turned them into a major player in modern arms, as he takes credit for in the first Iron Man movie. Stane just taps Tony's genius for engineering.

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Military callsigns are absolutely retarded user.

It's already been pointed out she named herself after a Birdman character. His picture is right in front of her name.

Maybe Howard thought a government having disintegration rays and super-nukes was an awful idea?

Also, Zola was an absolute super-science God.
This is a guy who figured out how to put his sentience on magnetic fucking tape. He's clearly Luthor/Richards-tier.

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Yeah that was shame we never saw more of robo Zola. Creepy effect though. You would think the smart Nazi bastard would have upgraded after all those years

He had an internet connection at the end, you just know this bastard is backed up somewhere else on a more advanced (possibly robotic) system somewhere.
I want him as the guy in the chair resurrecting Ultron and using him to for a Masters of Evil.

*(form).

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Captain Marvel: The Second Avenger

>Serious Question: Wasn't Captain America the first Avenger?
Yes, he is. the movie didn't change that.

>>Skrulls being good meaning Secret Empire won't happen
Skrulls not being evil fit the 616 canon.

Eat my ass you dumb cunt, Kree and Skrulls are both as bad as each other

So if China invades the US and starts shooting everyone who won't swear to Xi, and you go innawoods and shoot Chinese, you are just as bad?
Because one initiated aggression on the other, and it was the same side in both comics and the movies.

>MCU bruce was trapped in the Hulk for month in Thor Ragnarok

*Two years

Not him, but in the comics, the Skrulls weren't so quickly reduced to fleeing refugees, and became warlike in response to initial Kree aggression, to the point where they tried to conquer unaligned planets like Earth in their war for territory with the Kree. That's why they're "villains" when the F4 first encounter them, because in the course of defending themselves from the Kree, they've become the same: imperialistic, aggressive, hierarchical and oppressive.

Depends...am I shooting Chinese soldiers or just random people?

More like if China invades the US, and then in response to try gain more resources the US invades Germany who had nothing to do with China.

Yes. Carol just used the nickname as a kind of inspiration to him

It wasn't even her nickname. It's, literally, just a callsign.

Nobody ever calls Captain America an Avenger until after Fury recruits him and the others for the Avengers Initiative.

Even then, Thor predates Captain America by centuries.

Carol hasn't been an Avenger to date, Fury just took inspiration for the name. Just like Carol took inspiration from Fury mispronouncing Mar-Vell for Marvel.

Why are you idiots so triggered by everything?

Her ass

>canon both in MCU and books

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And wasn't Thor around literally 1500 years before Cap? Why did no one have an issue with that?

Literally some shitty dude who was there by himself in the theater shouted out "GUESS YOU WERENT THE FIRST AVENGER HUH?" When Cap appeared on screen. No one laughed.

I swear people have no critical thinking skills anymore

Carol did have an arc, though. She'd been repressing her humor, emotion, and rage. She spent the whole movie trying to be the terminator the Kree wanted her to be, but by the end she's beholden to nobody but herself, so she stops figuratively fighting with a hand behind her back, symbolized by her literally removing the device repressing her power.

I don't get why SHIELD couldn't recreate Zola's tech after they got their hands on the Tesseract since we learn in Winter Soldier that Zola joined SHIELD after the war. He was the reason HYDRA was able to infiltrate SHIELD and the US government in the first place.
Is there an explanation for why Zola didn't reproduce his HYDRA tech?
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He never met Ant-Man, the Wasp or Black Goliath?

It's called a 'call sign', sweetie.

And you calling that bullshit in defense of this... oh, dear.

No she's not. I don't see how anyone could think so.

Avenger is her old airforce callsign.
Avenger initiative got its name from her old nickname.
She probably has not been called Avenger in years.
Cap was and is the first member of the official team 'Avengers', a product of Fury's Avenger initiative.
She is the first Superpowered Human Fury met, emphasis on the super. Suits of hi-tech armour that shrinks or makes you fly don't impress him as much as alien space ships and woman that can go lightspeed on her own.
Stark did not name the team nor did he join until the actual 'Avengers Assemble' movie.
Secret Invasion is still possible and CapMarvel had a nice relationship with fury, hope to see more of it.

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Only 1,000, but yeah, if we're talking the first person to be part of the Avengers to exist (or even step on earth), Thor's got that claim currently. If we're talking first person to agree to join the Avengers, it's probably Hawkeye/Black Widow if they were invited (and didn't just end up joining because of the Loki invasion) or Hulk, since he got formally invited before Tony who was a consultant because he was considered too unstable, and Thor just showed.

Cap really only gets to be the first Avenger if it's specifically the first superhero that would join the team that SHIELD/government had concrete evidence of existing.

Cap was the result of a science experiment. Different and revolutionary, sure, but they know exactly where he came from and how he came to be.

Carol fucking fell from the sky jabbering about alien shapeshifters and shooting fire from her hands. That's a whole other level of weird as shit and much more powerful than Cap.

For all we know, the Skrulls could end up becoming corrupted by the position of power Carol helped them achieve, showing that fundamentally everyone has the capacity to do evil in the pursuit of power and influence.

captain america happened in 1940 or whatever, world war boomer,

carol happened later

nick fury was inspired to propose the avengers initiative from his time with captain marvel.

which then got him motivated to unthaw cap in the ice , and talk with tony stark once cosmic powers and super humans etc... became a thing again.

>Carol's nickname in the air force
Which they made up for the movie. That wasn't her callsign in the comics, you casual. Did you just get here from youtube?

>He's the oldest Avenger and the 1st to become a Hero
I'm pretty sure Thor is older than Cap

>Which they made up for the movie.
Everything is different in the movies, but you already know that...

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>Wasn't Captain America the first Avenger?
Yes he was and is. Fury explicitly made the Avengers initiative precisely because they needed something they could rely on in the absence of Captain Marvel. Because she flew off elsewhere.
She is not the first avenger at all.

A race of shapeshifters with mind-reading tech, no longer bound by the warp-gate tech the rest of the galaxy has to rely on sounds like the start of a problem.
The Skrulls were getting their asses kicked throughout the movie, though. Kree super-tech shat all over them. They'll need the Super Skrull program to feel like a real physical threat.

She wasn't the first avenger. That was still Cap as first member of the avengers. She was the namepatron for it tough. It's more the shit Fury talked about meeting extraterrestrials for the first time and ahving the idea for the Avengers inititive that gets retconned with it. And his eye.

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>She's called the first avenger cause of what it said on her plane
Yeah, thanks for agreeing fucking retard.

It was really just a little scratch.
Why did the scar look worse in Winter Soldier?
I don't get it

That looks fucking awful. It's not a real poster, right?

>He also overpowered a fully powered Infinity Gauntlet
I feel like nobody talks about this, it makes endgame seem really simple going forward. We already know Thor could easily kill Thanos by himself at this point, the only issue is finding the guy.

No because "The Avengers" were set up specifically to be superheros and Steve was considered a fluke that they didn't really have in mind as a secret weapon, he was treated as a very very good soldier.

He was "the first Avenger" because he was, as far as anyone knew, the first superhero. Carol is the "first Avenger" because she was who was in mind when the plan was set up to find and team up a fleet of superheros.

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What famous Captain Marvel stories do you want to see?

The one where she puts iron man in a coma over being a cunt

or the one where she gives birth to her own rapist?

Footfags.

>Carol is the "first Avenger" because
Actually Carol was never an Avenger at all. The entire idea about The Avengers Initiative was to find people who could take Carol's role in her absence, since they could not rely on her being available.
In short, when she was gone they needed avengers, and thus Carol herself never was one. And she was never obliged to fulfil that role either.

Have sex

>What famous Captain Marvel stories do you want to see?

The one where Rogue sucks out her powers and she goes into a coma and we don't have to see her for 20 years.

>The fact that you need to remember 10 years of movie plots just to get this shitfest makes Captain Marvel the blandest MCU movie yet.

You mean it's like a comic?

I'm seeing a lot of retards on here who claim to hate Captain Marvel but have no idea what they're talking about in terms of Captain Marvel's and MCU's lore. Holy fuck.

>Wasn't Captain America the first Avenger
Then I guess she's the second Avenger.

Because that's not a real cat. Who knows what venom or magic were in those claws.

>It was really just a little scratch.

The cat is an alien and was shown to eat multiple people with tentacles coming out of the cat's mouth. Also alien infection.

>Why did the scar look worse in Winter Soldier?

Makeup artist inconsistencies.

>Skrulls being good meaning Secret Empire won't happen
of course it won't happen. our secret empire is too on the nose right now

You don't think anything happens to the Skrulls between the 25 year gap?

>Whats your people?
>I have no people, I'm alone
>Han Solo

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>She's called the first avenger cause of what it said on her plane which realistically was the worst thing in the fucking film, she's being hailed as the 2nd coming of Jesus and I can't stand it
Thank you

no Captain Marvel is the first
Captain America was just some old white guy who fought in some war no one remembers, Carol is the first actual hero and first Avenger. she will be Cap's role model in Endgame.

Ooh, I like this. Hopefully we get a good and proper Ultron someday.

>Cap's still the first superhero on the scene who would go on to be on the team
Yes
>Iron Man is still the first person Fury seems to have approached to be on the team
I think of Widow and Hawkeye of being the second and third Avengers.
Carol isn't an Avenger as of yet, to Cap, Widow, Hulk, and Rhodey she's just some someone that showed up from the pager signal.