It's time for the Saturday Morning storytime! It's the last one, so we're going to end it with the last Astro Boy related work, Atom Cat! So sit back, relax, and feel free to talk about retro comics here.
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Thanks for everything AstroAnon, it has been really fun to read all this stories.
If may I ask, Whats your opinion in the American Astroboy movie? the one where they live in a sky island.
Maybe 'cuz you're a proto-Gendo
I thought it was alright. It was basically Astro Boy in name only, but it did have a lot of good ideas that I wished it fleshed out, like the idea of transferring memories into a robot without the person realizing it. Like, you just wake up one day and you're a robot. Like, how long were you a robot? Were you always one? Everything you know is a lie and you're completely helpless about it. I said it in another thread, but it's a cornucopia of disturbing concepts.
Tenma has to be one of my favorite Villains/anti heroes, the guy has layers.
He couldn't pay attention to his son until he was dead and after that he still kept being an asshole. Is clear he loved his son, but at the same time he wasn't a really good human being.
What is interesting is that he actually succeeded in what other mad scientist with similar motivation fail to do. He managed to make a life like robot that could pass as a human, but even then Astro is not Tobio, in the end he couldn't replace what he lost.
Oh absolutely. Dude was always a complete jerk, and it honestly makes me wonder if he ever had a functional relationship with his son to begin with. It's a mix of him idealizing something he might've never had and a sense of regret for it.
Thats a lot of effort those bullies but in torturing that kid, imagine if the kid didn't use that route that day, they would be 6 bullies wasting their entire afternoon waiting for him.
My favorite version is the one in Pluto, that scene where he is eating with Astro is one of my favorites bits.
The way Astro tell him about his day and Tenma telling him that the real Tobio wouldn't have liked what he likes is quite sad. You get that Tobio was rebellious but Tenma still loved him and he now realize this whole deal of replacing his son with a robot was not going to work.
Ok this is weird, I get that Tezuka had the star system but if the story takes place "in the real world" he could at least not use Astroboy characters like the detective.
My favorite part about Astro and Tenma's dynamic is how Tenma is more frustrated about Astro not being exactly what he thought his son would be than he is about him being a robot. It doesn't work for him because it's the crushing realization that not only can't he bring him back, he hardly knew Tobio at all.
Yeah, it's bizarre, especially when his auto-biographical manga doesn't have any Star System characters.
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Thanks user. Always appreciate it.
>It doesn't work for him because it's the crushing realization that not only can't he bring him back, he hardly knew Tobio at all.
That's something I noticed even the movie got right. Astro is literally just Toby, right down to the same memories, and Temna still disowns him because he never considered how different the actual Tobio would be. Dude has issues.
>she's a girl!
>and a beautiful one too!
The only 2 things you need.
>Doesn't want to see his face again
>Sells him to a place where he can become famous.
A genius that doesn't think things through is a good way to describe him.
Is that kid wearing a Devilman shirt?
Yeah, that about sums him up. It reminds me of the Blue Knight arc when he reprogrammed Astro to be evil, only for it to backfire immediately because, well, he's evil now. High INT, low WIS.
Seems like it. There are quite a few references to other manga in his later works. Doraemon gets referenced constantly.
Is it wrong for me to think the mom's kinda cute?
Not at all.
Kek, that takes me back. Wasn't expecting Cow and Chicken today, but I'm not complaining.
And so Atom Cat comes to a close. Up next is a manga about Tezuka's own kids, Mako, Rumi, and Chi!
This premise only lasted 7 chapters? When you read the "afterword" it seems even Tezuka himself didn't have much confidence in the appeal the remake would have, which is strange given it was born from his own impetus and he had sole creative control over it.
Don't want to sound harsh but this is better that most Astroboy fights.
This is surprisingly sad.
The remake was in a weird situation, since it was meant to bring Astro back to a more softer, childlike role when Japan back then liked when he was more serious and harsh. It was just the taste at the time not meshing well since it was during the era of when heroes like Kenshiro was at their peak. Ironically, it'd probably be much more accepted now, since shonen heroes have looped back to being more empathetic and naive, like Deku from MhA.
You can definitely see just how much Tezuka has evolved as an artist with this. There's more detail in the panels, the flow is a lot smoother, and the cartoonish artstyle is much more refined. It's decades of experience after Astro Boy at this point.
I'm not a fan of Astro's robot parents, they are younger that him and mostly are there just to stop him from solving the problem right away.
Why are the rats Chinese?
I like the concept of them, the idea of the being younger creates a very unique dynamic between them and Astro. They're practically children trying their best to live up to the role of being adults, despite even Astro having a better grasp on that due to sheer experience. Though I won't lie, it is pretty annoying how they mostly serve as an obstacle for Astro. Still, I think they're at their best in that one story where Tenma tries to take Astro back and they do everything they can to protect him. It's a really touching moment for both them and Tenma.
>Flying cat song you say...
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Beats me.
>Pound of manure are inexplicably flying trough the air
>Better shoot at it.
And that's all folks! It's been a whole year's worth of adventures, but the ride is finally over. So I just want to say thank you, to everyone that participated in these Storytimes, and kept it alive this whole time. We've been through a lot, but it was because of you guy's support I was able to keep it up this far. I hope you all have a wonderful day, and if you have any questions about Tezuka, I'll be here, same Astro time, same Astro channel.
>Famicon
You know hip lingo for the time.
Tsugio's mom has quite a nice design.
Return the slab....
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Godspeed, user. You've done a great service for the boards.
Thanks for the story times user and for introduce me to this stories, Tezuka is a famous author but I never read his work until you posted them here. Kudos to you.
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What?
Why is your pic 404-ing?
Thanks for all the storytimes, AstroAnon. At first I wasn't interested in your storytimes because I wouldn't like something like Astro Boy, but your premier of Black Jack gave me an interest in your storytimes. Granite I only came for the Black Jack storytimes at first, but I eventually when you introduced Princess Knight I took an interest in Tezuka's other works as well and I'm glad to have read mostly all of them. I kind of regret not reading more of Astro Boy when I could've.
Thanks, man.
My main goal was to introduce people to Tezuka's works, so it's nice to see I was able to do that. With the new Dororo being the most popular anime of the season it juse makes me happy to see that tons of new people are getting into it.
Also, if you guys haven't played Astros Boy: Omega Factor, I highly recommend it. It's an amazing game, and is even better once you actually get all the references.
Could you post a cbz of this?
Of Omega Factor? No idea how to do that honestly, but /wsr/ should be able to help you there.
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I will play the PS2 Dorororororororororo game before I die.
I'll miss this man. Those Sat. Morning Blackjack stories after Astro ended were always a blast.
Oh yeah, Black Jack was a ride. Also its shame we don't have a full English translation of Rainbow Parakeet, from what I've seen it is nuts. It would've been perfect in these Storytimes.
What on Earth? Is it just me or are half the comments here deleted? The hell is going on here?
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Mods are jerks, news at 11.
Did Osamu like little girls?
THICC
If he did, then it was one of the many, many fetishes he probably had. Speaking of which, I found a collection of his "risque" art for anyone curious:
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Thanks user, hope you bring us some more good times soon.
What the fuck?!
That's heartbreaking and reminds me of parents who suffer the loss of a child so they buy a fuckinb Mario casket because that's all they know about their kid.
Thanks!
I bet a retarded autistic power tripping mod was reading the manga and deleted posts that interupted the image dump.
Cheers, user. Thanks for doing all this. It was pretty fun.
Phoenix will always be his best work.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened, but that's still absurd. It's images that interrupt thesee kind of Storytimes, and none of those posts had them.
Such an /ourguy/, that man was.
I only just now discovered your thread.
But I loved Atomcat. I wish he kept going with this idea, but I am a cat person so I might be in the minority
I can't believe kids were expected to empathise with Tsugio, there's "wet behind the ears" and then there's "no no no I can't I can't I won't never ever ever"
i feel as though "erotica" was the wrong word to use for that book.
I already knew he was a bit of a furry, and I also knew he involved transformation in some of his works, but I didn't realize he went that far towards /d/-territory.
France only??
I wanna do shameful things to this milf.
Seems like it. No idea why though, I guess it's popular there due to being similar to Lupin III conceptually?
Looking at it, it does seem more like drawing practices than something he drew to get off to. You can see some of the concepts here being used in his other works, like the aging sequence for Melmo for instance.
Did anyone translate it?
Not that I could find. It probably would be a lot easier to translate it through French than Japanese, but there's barely even any scans online.
Thank the gods for the norman invasion of England, so many french words are easily recognizable. I also know like 10 french words, so I can pretty much read french comics and understand a 3rd of what is said.
Maybe.
On the flipside, it's kind of impressive that they let these storytimes go without any problem.
I have to ask, did Tezuka base Pinoko on his daughter Rumiko? I see a little similarities between the two in this semi-autobiographical.
Considering how petty the man could be sometimes and how he did some manga specifically out of spite for younger artists' successful manga (I can't remember the name of that one about a guy having the female half of his soul removed from him and put in a sex doll that's a bizarre sex comedy that he himself admits was basically just him being mad at Go Nagai), I always wondered if Astro Cat's meant to be showing up to Doraemon. Similar formula of "normal kid has new problem each chapter, magical cat friend solves them", etc
If it is, I'm not sure what the exact point the manga is trying to make about Doraemon
Nothing in specific, what I meant in showing up to is simply Tezuka had a tendency to go "you did that? I can do that too!" sometimes.
I love the man's work and admire the man himself but part of why I admire him is he was human and the human side often showed in him being a petty little shit
>Astrocat
I don't what the fuck I just read, but I liked it.
Late, but really appreciate all the time and effort you put into these threads, they were a lot of fun. Shame it's gotta come to an end.
That's the first I've heard of that theory. It's possible, though it could just be that he used similar body types for both since there isn't much variation for his really small children designs.
>since it was meant to bring Astro back to a more softer, childlike role when Japan back then liked when he was more serious and harsh.
Care to elaborate? Wasn't he always childlike?
>going from messed up to goofy on the turn of a dime
I love Tezuka
w-what did he mean by this
>I promise to lick it better
L-LEWD!
Tezuka sure loved his crowd scenes
According to some NBC articles, the original 60s show had managed to evolve Astro/Atom into two almost completely different characters through its dubbing by the time it ended. The dub had Astro be more passionate and empathetic, having him focus on things like personal values, having friends and sacrifice for the greater good.
Meanwhile Atom became more savvy and less innocent. He was far more brutal against his enemies, to the point where he got the reputation of "you don't fight against Atom and live". He became an immovable, unstoppable force of good, becoming the kind of Shonen hero that other characters in the genre would later become.
So in the end, Tezuka agreed on Astro being a more true interpretation than Atom. Which is probably why he immediately used the Manga to retcon the anime though the time-travel arc.
I just wanted to say thank you. Without getting too sappy, you and Saturday Morning Storytimer really have made every weekend something to look forward to.
>"you don't fight against Atom and live
What, in the show? I know he killed a few people in the manga, like that eco-terrorist with the cat, but did he do it in the 60s anime too? On purpose?
Thanks, it's great to see that these Storytimes meant a lot to you guys.
I'm pretty sure it was mostly referring to the robots. The way he treated robot enemies was harsh enough for US audiences to actually complain about it.
Ah, that makes more sense. It's a real shame the later 60s episodes have no subs (minus the very final episode) because I'd love to see a more brash, less innocent Astro Boy play out where I can understand what the fuck he's saying.
It'd be neat to see the contrast after watch the dub. I just find it fascinating how the west influenced Astro Boy as a whole almost as much as Japan did.
A while back, I had this idea in my head for a Donald Duck/Star System crossover. It'd be the usual "Donald, Scrooge and the nephews look for treasure" but set entirely in Japan, with various characters from the Star System helping/hindering them. By the end, Donald would be moping about how useless he is, but the Star System people would be singing his praises. When Donald asks why they love him so much, they would reminisce about a guy they all knew who loved Donald's old adventures so much that he kept the love alive in them.
I actually like that idea. It can easily work as a Ducktales episode since Tezuka's early style was very much inspired by it.
This is straight up manga lol why does Yea Forums even exist
I know, ain't it grand?
Astro Boy is just as Yea Forums as most of the stuff on this board.
Because sometimes we can enjoy silly things that break the rules.
Also, there'd be riots if mods started throwing fits.
Quick, someone storytime Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck on Yea Forums and see if they'll let it be.
Yea Forums did have a "Yea Forums material you wish got an anime" not too long ago, it was pretty nice. They preferred Silver-Age Superman there so at least their taste isn't all bad.
The hypocrisy is mainly because civillian rules and army rules are different IIRC.
All hail OP
Atom Cat loves licking pussy, not that surprising coming from this chad among cats.
>What, in the show?
If you count Robots? Oh yeah. Remember, Atom was fighting and killing robots as early as his stint in the Robot Circus in the Manga. Though I think both the old Anime changed that to doing really dangerous stunts.
Credit where it's due, Gadaffi gets his ass kicked by a tiny cat and he comes back for more. A lesser man would admit defeat. Or at least a saner one.
Thanks OP
Why not?
Wew.
>base of tail burned
>I'm gonna lick it all better later
TURBO LEWD
These scans are awful. Low resolution, upscaled about 3 times so we could see all the pixels.
If you're having that issue, try opening the images in a new tab.
HOW DID THAT WORK
Oh wait, it did NOT work. Still shit.
Thank you for everything, AstroAnon. I'm going to miss these threads (and you).
Strangely, the thing that always bothered me most about that chapter was that the leopard had six legs.
>My favorite part about Astro and Tenma's dynamic is how Tenma is more frustrated about Astro not being exactly what he thought his son would be than he is about him being a robot. It doesn't work for him because it's the crushing realization that not only can't he bring him back, he hardly knew Tobio at all.
From the third Dark Horse volume ("The Greatest Robot on Earth") it seems like Tenma has come to terms with Astro being a different entity from Tobito, outright modifying and advising him near the end of the arc. Is this a moment of character that gets retconned in the future volumes, or are those volumes full of earlier stories that elaborate on the father/robot dynamic or what?
I read astro boy as a kid but I always felt I was missing parts of the story. Like after the entire series being pretty standard stuff suddenly it was in the future in space with 3 eyed aliens. Is there a definitive reading order to the different arcs?
>Is this a moment of character that gets retconned in the future volumes, or are those volumes full of earlier stories that elaborate on the father/robot dynamic or what?
The latter, the whole thing is out of order because they put Tezuka's favorite stories as the top priority. There was a story in the later volumes where Tenma realizes just how much of a dick he's been to Astro and tries to change.
>Is there a definitive reading order to the different arcs?
There probably is, but honestly I really wouldn't worry about it too much. Astro Boy is episodic by nature, so you might as well start with the Omnibus' order.
If you look up the chapter list on Wikipedia, there's a numbered order of the chapters listed.
I forgot how weird that chapter was.
Nice, that's pretty good.
lel I've just gotten to this story now, it's amazing how well Astro takes it in his stride (and amazing that this was apparently considered a hot favorite of Tezuka's)
What is this?
That is me not right-clicking on the right thing when trying to save link location for the video I posted here ->
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There is, but you can still piece it together easily enough if you read it out of order.
It's kind of weird reading Tales of Astro Boy and seeing that the Astro we've read for years is unceremoniously destroyed and that the Astro in future comics is another character. For all intents and purposes it's the same character until you stop to think about it
That whole arc was just mercilessly brutal and fucked up. Though honestly, it's my favorite arc in the series because of that. The Vietnam chapter hurts bad, but it's still a great read.
>all the robots and friends in arcs prior to 'time travel' arc that eat shit
>is he going to save the baby?
>is he??
>he's done it folks!!
haha no they all ate shit the very next day
>the last thing going through Astro's mind is 'I'm glad I saved those people' and 'I hope I can make it to the future'
neither
Even in his child-friendly manga Tezuka still had issues to work out
God bless user
I couldn't keep up with all of them but I enjoyed the ones I did read.
Not him, but same.
Thanks for all the hard work user.
Yeah is kind of messed up, Astro at least ends up avoiding ending on a time loop.
Is also needlessly complicated destroying Astro just before his creation, instead of simply turning him on once the "new one" does the thing that sends him back in time.
Fanx. Kiitos.
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>instead of simply turning him on once the "new one" does the thing that sends him back in time
Wasn't he rusted and mostly destroyed by that point though?
I tried doing some fanart of a famous person in Tezuka's style i.e. I most swiped somebody from the Star System.
See if you can guess the celebrity and the Star System actor!
Lamp maybe? Doesn't have the thing on the back of his head so it's throwing me off.
Right first time!
The identity of the celebrity is in the writing
Can't read Japanese, so you got me there.
Yeah, I'm stumped
So MB just did a video on Dororo:
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Dont really care for him all that much, but I'm glad more people are finally talking about Dororo, felt like it was getting slept on for the longest time.
Aw, son of a bitch!
