So, comics are dead or not?

If they got rid of floppies and just focused on trades and graphics, I would prefer it. They'd have to gradually phase it over over a decade or two, having runs that are only sold as part of a trade to see how it sells first though.

>Also you have long standing problems like how the comic market has completely abandoned kids
Based retard.

>The past year or two the trade market has fallen off across the board
BASED RETARD

absolutely nothing interesting going on in comics webcomics or cartoons and you pitch that

artists need to get off their phones amd back into the work

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Imminent death syndrome

If that happened, I would really enjoy a "read all" script that just let you read through all the different comics in chronological order, instead of you needing to jump around them.

WWE makes $750 million a year but is in the death throes of cultural irrelevance

Is that "dead"

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You just proved my point. Those kids books sell millions but they aren't comic books. the comic book companies have completely abandoned that market.

The second half probably comes to 80% just from variant covers, #1 issues and Star Wars getting relaunched

>comic books aren't comic books because they don't have superheroes homolusting over eachother in them
despicable and dumb

>The past year or two the trade market has fallen off across the board. Not just one or two companies. That is very concerning. Readers aren't going out an buying the new trades like they were which means the interest level has fallen.
It's fatigue. The last three years have been a golden age of comic reprints, but they came out at such a pace that most of our wallets couldn't keep up.

Now they're cancelling lots of trades and omniboo and Epic/Gold/Silver/Bronze Age collections, and nobody is pre-ordering anything because no one's sure the second volume will even come out anymore. It's become a pretty vicious circle.

>sold
Marvel pads their numbers of books by giving comic shops tons of free copies. The actual number of comics Marvel has sold is meaningless. Second the sales made by a comic company do not equal the sales of a comic shop, and comic shops are on the decline, with many shops saying they have too many books that they can't sell and in order to stay open have to keep buying books that may not sell and running out of room for unsold books.

Comics were ruined when the CCA was enforced causing a monopoly on the superhero genre
Comics were ruined when Diamond became the sole distributor allowing them to continue an outdated practice for distribution via the LCS system
Comics were ruined when nostalgiafags took over the Big 2 and prevented any sort of meaningful change because they can't imagine a character staying married or having kids and not realizing that there's a market and audience out there aside from their already established core, aging fanbase
Comics (Big 2) were ruined when they had a grander focus on constant events and crossovers causing little newcomers interested to be on board
Comics were ruined when people started accepting shitty poser art and traced garbage because they met a deadline
Comics were ruined when people tried to imitate Gaiman, Moore, and Miller but only made themselves look like overly pretentious edgy hacks
Comics were ruined when they became nothing but IP farms and Yea Forums pitches
Comics were ruined when decompression became the norm

That's probably because WWE is literally the only game in town for a lot of people and is run by one guy now stuck forty years in the past and his son in law stuck twenty years in the past.

American comics are

Manga isn't

>Comics were ruined when people tried to imitate Gaiman, Moore, and Miller but only made themselves look like overly pretentious edgy hacks
That didn't happened.

They aren't comic books because they don't sell single issues and aren't published by a traditional comic book company, like DC, Marvel, IDW, Dark Horse, Image and so on. Scholastic publishes them.

Well shit, I guess I can't talk about Bone anymore on Yea Forums. It's not a comic because it's published by Scholastic.

Doesn't Scholastic just reprint the old issues and Bone was published be Image for a time? Then it was self published. Also didn't it sell individual issues while it was being published?

>Then it was self published.
So it's not a comic? Because, like you just said, it's not a comic if it's not published by a traditional comic book company.

But it was published by a traditional company in Image in-between the author trying to publish it thought his own comic book company, and also sold individual issues. So it fits what people think of when they think of "comics" instead of books like Diary of a Wimpy Kid or Smile that only come out in set volumes.

>in-between the author trying to publish it thought his own comic book company
So the rest of the issues are comics, but those specific issues aren't comics. Your rules, not mine.

>it fits what people think of
Who are these "people"?

You're the first person I've ever seen who said that a comic isn't a comic if it has the wrong publisher, or if it comes out all at once instead of serialized.

Did you know that "A Contract with God" was originally published by a book publisher? I guess it isn't a comic book. You should tell the mods that is against the rules.

the stupidest thing I've ever read.

First you picked a series in Bone that I immediately destroy your whole argument with, and then you can't understand the concept of what a traditional comic book is and you try and use A Contract with God as another example but Eisner specifically published it as a graphic novel because he didn't want it to be looked at as a traditional comic and came out before Diamond was even a fucking thing, which is what this thread was based on.

Going back to Bone it would count as a traditional comic because it sold individual issues and was published through a traditional comic publisher. When it switched over to being self published it was through the author's own company Cartoon Comics which is a traditional comic book publisher in that it sold individual issues through Diamond. It isn't a tough concept to understand. It is just that Cartoon Comics probably takes up less than .1% of the market and is irrelevant to talk about compared to bigger publishers, but it operated as a traditional publisher.

Graphic novels aren't comics? You should have just said so from the beginning. You're still wrong, but at least we'd be able to understand why it bothers you instead of WAAHHH IT HAS THE WRONG PUBLISHER.

By the way, Scholastic publishes through Diamond. Going back to Telgemeier as an example, you can find her on the Diamond sales charts, e.g.
comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-09.html

>Also you have long standing problems like how the comic market has completely abandoned kids, which are the biggest market for potiental sales and they are basically stuck selling to a very niche market and trying to pull as much money from them as they can instead of being able to expand.

Only the direct market ignores children. Actual publishers sell tons of comics to little kids and teens.

>not distributed by diamond monopoly so not a comic
capitalism fucks with people's brains

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That link shows 0.06% of Scholastic was part of Diamond. Meaning that barely any shops and retailers order anything through Scholastic because they aren't the direct market for what it is. Scholastic does their own thing and sells millions which is outside the traditional publishers. It is completely irrelevant to what the OP's link is describing and the market we are talking about.

But sure, lets continue to argue about less than .1% of the traditional market.

comicsbeat.com/tilting-at-windmills-268-looking-at-bookscan-2017-and-this-time-its-certified/

There is a good link that shows what I was talking about. All the "main" publishers tanked in their trade sales in 2017 and we should see that happen again in 2018,which was my whole point. The market for them crashed which indicates a falling off of interest for traditional comic trades because this is outside of the single issue publications which get super inflated by variants, special orders, and you have no idea how many issues are actually being purchased by readers because of it.

#movetheneedle worked.

The pic in the OP is only talking about the direct market though.

>That link shows 0.06% of Scholastic was part of Diamond.
Are you fucking stupid? That's not what it says at all.

>Dollar Share of Top 300 Comics & Top 300 TPBs
That measures "How much of Diamond is Scholastic", not "How much of Scholastic is Diamond". You can't even fucking read.

What you're talking about is baseless bullshit. You said that a comic doesn't count as a comic if it's not through a traditional publisher (meaning: distributed by Diamond), but as we just proved, Scholastic distributes through Diamond. Full stop, you were wrong about those comics.

You still have to use terms correctly. If you're posting exclusively about the direct market then don't call it the "comic market", because the comic market is larger than just the direct market.

>That measures "How much of Diamond is Scholastic", not "How much of Scholastic is Diamond". You can't even fucking read.
Holy shit, I didn't even say that. No idea how you even came to that conclusion. Of course it is how many retailers order Schilastic books through Diamond which is 0.06% that month. Man what a retard.

>What you're talking about is baseless bullshit. You said that a comic doesn't count as a comic if it's not through a traditional publisher (meaning: distributed by Diamond), but as we just proved, Scholastic distributes through Diamond. Full stop, you were wrong about those comics.
I said sells individual issues and sells through a traditional publisher. I haven't said anything different. You are the one that brought up Bone which fit both of what I'm talking about and got completely butthurt when I pointed that out. Then are trying to say things like A Contract with God or Smile are "traditional" comics and I don't think they are. They are more graphic novels and outside the direct market for what this whole thread was talking about until you decided to go on some massive tangent about it.

>You still have to use terms correctly. If you're posting exclusively about the direct market then don't call it the "comic market", because the comic market is larger than just the direct market.
How did I use it incorrectly? I've only ever been talking about the direct market from the start which is what the topic of the OP's pic was about. You got your panties in a massive bunch talking about things completely outside it and I have been pointing that out. What an idiot.

Please, allow me to get my "panties in a massive bunch" again, because you are legitimately the stupidest person I've seen in a long time.

>>That measures "How much of Diamond is Scholastic", not "How much of Scholastic is Diamond". You can't even fucking read.
>Holy shit, I didn't even say that. No idea how you even came to that conclusion.

Your words are literally
>That link shows 0.06% of Scholastic was part of Diamond.
How much of Scholastic was part of Diamond? Let me check your post again. 0.06% of Scholastic, according to you.

0.06%
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So, yes, you did think it was measuring how much of Scholastic was part of Diamond.

>Of course it is how many retailers order Schilastic books through Diamond which is 0.06% that month.
No, for fuck's sake, no.

If it was a measurement of "how many retailers ordered from X" then they would fucking label it "how many retailers ordered from X".

They labeled it "Dollar Share of Top 300 Comics & Top 300 TPBs" because it measures how many dollars are Scholastic's dollars.

It's right there in the name:
>Dollar Share
A measurement of dollars, not a measurement of retailers.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Capes are dead. Comics as a whole are doing better than ever