She can survive the Penance Stare now

"Penance Stare" is a fucking meme. This shit never works on anyone.

This if anything it just confirms she's a psychopath.

Of course she can! She is a white woman!

>penance bomb

Wrong.

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>purging xenos
>wrong

Why do writers keep doing this? Last time it was Frank goddamn Castle who tanked the penance stare

How's Robbie doing? I haven't kept up with him much after Ghost Racers.

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He's considered one of the strongest members and was able to control a dead celestial. Now he's corrupted by vampires and is used to fight the Avengers. He's been fighting it and resisted an order to kill the children of peaceful vampires.

Punisher is so fucking stupid

>PENIS stare

Hehe

>I've done penance my whole damn life
Oh Jesus, really? Of all the characters to give that moment too, they pick Carol.

Sounds pretty cool. I assume that's all tie in stuff and not his own thing, right?

he's a adjectiveless avenger now.

>Deadpool isn’t affected
>Frank isn’t affected
this proves it. Carol is just as much a phycho as the other two

The last page is kino if you're a Ghost Rider fan, I guess they will storytime it right now.

Don't forget Thanos.

Ghost Rider sees an optometrist, when?

Also, I like this art.

So does that mean Bullseye and Doom are immune too?

Any GR worth reading?
I hated road to damnation or whatever that one wrote by ennis is called, it felt purposeless

Punisher enjoyed watching MurderCarol during secret invasion. It's canon.

Post the image

She does only have like 3 years of memories or something.
Can't feel much suffering if you don't remember causing it.

Go to sleep, Joss.

It does work on Thanos, Cosmic GR killed an alt-timeline Thanos with it.

She doesn't have too much to fuel it.
The worst she has is some of the stuff around the civil war era.

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>that dialogue

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Bullseye knows he is a jackass and Doom is more of a “ends justify the means” type character. Surely he knows that he does shitty stuff, he just feels like he is justified in doing so.

It worked on the real Thanos and that's what matters.

Doom might feel a tingle, a singe, but not a soul searing burn.
He can probably count his regrets on one hand.

Totally innocent.

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Yeah, his wanking is Batman tier.

>punished for existing
god I wish

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I mean, I expect Doom is immune mostly because theres a 95% chance of it being a souless Doombot anyway, and he regularly tangles with hell so the real Doom has probably got anti-hell magics layered like a goddamn onion.

>The Wendigo

Wait I thought Wendigos would nerf the stare because they're animals by the time they're in the cursed form.

It's like making a cat feel shame: fucking impossible.

>lockjaw gets thoom'd

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At what point did they decide that every Ghost Rider could do the Penance Stare? It used to be a Danny only thing.

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There was still a person there at some point and I'm sure they could feel guilty

Pretty sure Punisher and Venom have resisted the Penance Stare as well. At this point it's pretty much the power to job.

>I reget nothing

Frank Castle does not regret having taken his family on a picnic the same day some thugs fought each other.

Frank Castle does not regret that his family died.

Frank Castle does not regret being The Punisher.

Now is canon

Robbie can literally send people to hell with a glance. He's got to use that more.

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I'm pretty sure that all of the blame lays on Jason Aaron but I'm not 100% certain on that.
He's at least the first time I can recall people wondering why a Ghost rider other than Danny could use the stare.

Separate Spider-woman from her kid and nearly killed her kid as a result.

Bullseye will shit his pants like he always does when he goes against a legit superhuman.

What the hell are you talking about? Bendis wasn't EiC nor is Cebulski writing Avengers.

It's always been dumb especially as part of a shared universe thing, just an inconsistent version of Man-Thing's fear power

nice kamehameha

The Penance Stare isn't even that big of a deal. King Hulk withstood it like it was nothing and he was planning to conqueror and kill everyone that wronged him.

Pretty much, it's just a flashy way to kill no-names and D-listers or below, or to show how CrAZy or dEtErMIneD someone is.

Aaron also wrote that so not exactly the best comparison.

Carol is the father! It's within her rights to take care of Jessica's kid!

People just hang on the million billion souls he did on galactus in the cartoon

I love smug Carol

I need to get more for this weekend's box office
already higher than Black Panther in australia

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"And im sick and tired of being punished for existing"
So is there anything punishing her? Or is this a women thing?

Victor was unaffected by Kilgrave's mind control since he has such conviction in his motives.
I'm sure he doesn't regret anything he's done. Regret is for peasants.

>regret
I thought it was related to the pain someone caused

It was. Bad writers just don't actually know what penance stare does

Meh, Australia is full of gay/lesbians liberals, of course people will love Carol there.

That's literally only Melbourne

That is the face of a sociopath.

Lockjaw has some creepy uncanny valley shit going on when they draw his face all human looking like that.

>Aaron gives the penance stare to Robbie for yet unexplained reasons
>after already making it pretty fucking worthless
Why does this guy still keep getting work

>Marvel can't be so dumb
I see you're new to comics!

Well he did used to be a person who got turned into a dog

That was back when the inhumans were pranking Ben via claiming that Lockjaw was an actual person turned into a dog.

I know, but you draw his face too human looking and it goes all Body Snatchers and gets weird. I prefer the style where they just draw him as a giant bulldog with no human features.

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That is not true
and iirc this was after that. Wasn't x-factor in the 80s?

With Frank you can make the argument that he used to Work for heaven and had angelic powers, so maybe through all that bullshit he's immune

But Fucking Danvers

Jesus Christ can we just fucking ban Carol Danvers from this board for everyone's sake just get rid of her and her dumbass fans, "fans", shills and shitposters. Relegate this shit to /trash/, do us all the favor

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>That is not true
It literally was true. Being retconned later on doesn't change that

>With Frank you can make the argument that he used to Work for heaven and had angelic powers
Irrelevant. Penance stare dumps all the pain you've caused back on you.
Arguably it would fuck an angel up, depending on which one it was

The crimson bands are mostly useful in strange’s solo serieses

He’s always somehow weakened in team books anyways, which explains them not working

no it's not , you suffer all the pain you have caused others. Aaron started this dumb bullshit anyway with the Deacon not feeling sorry for he did and the stare having no effect.

The human stuff was the retcon, he went 20 years and was only called a dog. Besides it makes no sense for him to be treated like a dog when weirder Inhuman transformation existed,

The Inhumans took a guy who turned into a door and just plonked him down where he was useful and never acknowledged he was a person ever again.
Getting turned into a dog and being treated like the family pet is well within their purview.

You know if guilt was really a factor in The Penance Stare then it would hardly work on fucking anybody. Man writers are stupid. I know Ghost Rider's are broken as shit, but this isn't the way to nerf them

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arent all crazy people immune to the stare?

Okay, opening over Infinity War in a muslim country
twitter.com/bicaraboxoffice/status/1103427198545874944

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>punished just for existing
well not anymore

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>just plonked him down where he was useful and never acknowledged he was a person ever again.
Eldrac was a politician until the universal Inhumans united. Not to mention they do talk to him as human all the time in soule's run. Eldrac just didn't like the immobility, and that is just unlucky terrigenisis.

No. Why would they be? Crazy people still feel pain

Lockjaw looks like Carl from Aqua Team Hunger Force.

>Deadpool isn’t affected
Technically that’s not true, it’s just that the effect is considerably unique compared to everyone else it’s worked on.

No Madcap can't feel any pain, only thing he ever felt after his accident was the pain from the stare of the ghost rider

Poor Ghost Boy can't catch a break huh???

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Madcap sometimes came off more as someone acting insane than someone who was legitimately insane.

If I had to write it, I would make its clear Doom is feeling the pain he has cause on others, but takes it standing and says something about not breaking like lesser men.

Man, atleast it was Frank Castle, I mean he regrets nothing, he just FRANKS his way in life

If Punisher Born is still canon, he truly was just destined to be The Punisher, after the attack by the Vietcong, he doesn't know why he is in this earth, he must kill

Regrets shouldn't have anything to fucking do with it. Which writer thought up this ridiculous weakness of the penance stare?

Really? Carol should be affected more than anyone else, what the hell.

My rational brain knows this is just so the plot could happen, fights that are over in one strike are boring and they just threw this is to have a story. But my critical brain knows that even sins you've repented for will burn under the penance stare and there's no fucking way she should resist it. It weakens her character to say she's so pure now, a big part of the appeal is how broken she is and how she's struggled to deal with herself.

Probably Ennis, he was the first one that got the Danny and Johnny GRs confused.

This is getting so fucking stupid. If it worked that way then the fucking thing would be absolutely useless against any of the demons GR fights regularly since none of them have a sense of guilt.

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It's a deliberate de-powering of the penance stare because of its links to christian mythology, which they want to distance themselves from.

Really is as simple as that.

>gaarrrrg I don't understand what's happening
yeah, that's how a person talk under sudden pain.

he also penance stared starbrand to death. hes pretty broken as of late

Well yeah, you could most likely survive the penance stare. Remember it works on evil people or people who have done something really terrible, like lots of times. The basic average person isn't going to be overwhelmed with a penance stare, the biggest sin you'd most likely have is...."NOOOOooooo I
've cut class before for the sole reason of masturbating to wonder women porn. NooooO!! Aaaah!" lol

Oh no Captain Marvel stepped on a blade of grass! CURSE HER AN EVERYTHING ABOUT HER! GGAAAAHHH! LOL

Only because the writer doesn't know how penace stare is supposed to actualyl work
It canonically cannot be resisted because it has nothing to do with how you feel about being a piece of shit

You sound like someone who wandered in from another board and trying too hard to fit in.

>character shows off how badass they are by shrugging off penance stare

isn't it less "u feel really bad" and more "you physically feel every single ounce of pain you've caused others"

I feel that the Penance Stare often isn't clearly defined as to what its application is. Ghost Rider generally finds it very useful when fighting demons, occult worshippers, things of that nature. The power doesn't translate well when used on people outside of those categories. People often misunderstand that it's not an automatic win useless you fit certain criteria.

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I think you confused this thread for a thread complaining about the movies.

You are right good sir! When I see anyone using a Captain Marvel reference I just automatically go into defense mode. LOL, thanks so much for pointing that out. Other than that I think the Penance Stare would even be used on certain people, it's really effective against clearly bad mofu's who need to get dragged to hell. Not to be used against people who just have bad attitudes.

Is...is he implying the Salem Witch trials were actual trials of witches?

>he also penance stared starbrand to death
Actual full blown continuity error coming from writers simply not giving a fuck...much like the OP.

yeah but remember in the Cosmic Ghost Rider miniseries, Frank was like "That's it Thanos! I'm giving you penance!"
And Thanos just said "Lmao retard remember how I asked you to give me penance stares all the time??? I like em"
and so frank said "I didn't say penance stare, I said penance... and penance means punishment!!!(bcuz im da punisher lol)"
and Frank blew Thanos to pieces?

turns out cape comics are fucking dumb who knew?

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1. Putting on that red-hot mask

The page you posted literally described what it does. How would that not work on Carol? Or the fucking Punisher?

Legitimately, who started this fucking "regret" bullshit?

Robbie sucks at being ghost rider. Eli is silent, Johnny Blaze wants to have a ride, Robbie just wants to be cool. It's not how powerful Carol is, it is how weak is Robbie

>how weak is Robbie
oh yes the man who was able to control a celestial like 11 issues ago is too weak.

Thank fuck someone writing comics know how it's supposed to work.

More like Jobber Stare, only reason it even seems to be a thing is so other characters can be cool by shrugging it off.

It says "wronged" so at the very least there is wiggle room in that the vast majority of Carol and Frank's actions have been ostensibly justified and, in Carol's case, most of the people she's actually wronged has come in the form of her being a shitbag or a fuckup rather than killing them. Basically there is a difference between cheating on your spouse and going full Mockingbird.

nigga wat?

she killed tony stark
yeah he came back after a while like any other cape
but she actually went for murder with him and in a way she succed

penance stare is in the "WHY DIDN'T WE JUST USE THAT" tier like mindreading. It's job is now to job hard

Anybody has that panel where she was enjoying seeing a skrull choke to death?

Inhumans don't have souls.

I'm sorry but I think he was being blasted with the Power Cosmic.

Dude you are underestimating how many aliens Carol has fucking evaporated

Dead celestial.

>did nothing wrong
every super hero in marvel has done something wrong here and there Carol is by far no exception. this is why people dont like her, she gets a pass for every negative thing she does and no one confronts her for it and make it stick.

She murdered tony stark, had incest with her rapist son, is a drunken reckless whore, worked as a prostitute during that time, and even tried to kill Jessica Drew and her baby.

No matter how many times Marvel tires to whitewash her as their Wonder Woman, SHE WILL NEVER BE DIANA PRINCE!

Daniel Way and Ennis did GR right as monstrous juggernauts of power
Aaron is just following the SJW manifest and pushing carol as the mary sue, Then we have Cates.

Because that was a situation done right, WWH was innocent.

Marvel was a dick to push Daniel Way and Garth Ennis out of the comic, but then Quesada was such an asshole that he massaged his own ego by adding easter eggs of Himself on Super Hero Squad Cartoon along with Alonso.

When HE used on Strange, He almost died.

the stare still has Effects, but writters like Aaron are retards of the highest caliber
>comicastle.org/comic/ghost-rider-vol-6/4

Ghost riders are weapons of TOAA itself to lay down vengance upon everything, Zarathos itself is the Angel of Vengeance.
The only thing that Holds their power is the host, but once the host loses control or agrees with the spirit, the Rider becomes more and more powerful...

Robbie isn't even a GR of sorts due to Eli not trully being a spirit of vengeance or being related to Zarathos and such, even Kenshiro Cochrane isn't, but he became one in the end.

It seems like no writer understands how the Penance Stare works. It doesn't MATTER if you feel bad, or if you've suffered, or whether or not you feel guilt.

The target isn't the one who decides if it works or not.

Because Hulk's actions were accepted as justified by whatever supernatural power governs the power of the stare.

What matters is the popularity of the character compared to Ghost Rider. OHKO on mooks, jack shit on characters that actually matter.

And like, maybe penance stares have different effectiveness depending on who's actually doing it.

>It's a deliberate de-powering of the penance stare because of its links to christian mythology, which they want to distance themselves from.
I wouldn't say "they". I think this is all Aaron's doing... He's been on a binge of removing all things mythic from every book he touches, remember this is the same guy who claims that humanity and powered being as a whole are the result of a Celestial's "vomit" (literally), instead of the myth of creation conceived by Kirby, a la Chariots of the Gods. There's also Gorr in Thorr and now this, it tells you that the guy doesn't like the mystery and doesn't cherish it like others and tries to ground things in a very cynical way.
But you brought up a good point about this because that's basically it, turning the Penance Stare in nothing more than a "painful attack" that can be endured if you will yourself to it, and not a holy retribution upon those who have sinned.

Cates himself did. And yes, it's retarded.
He was definitely not using the Penance Stare, that was some overpowered bullshit he pulled out of his ass at last minute.

G8 b8 m8

Honestly, though, Penance Stare is severely overpowered. It should work on street thugs and demons, not on superpowers.

The power cosmic is not "some overpowered bullshit he pulled out of his ass at last minute."

He could've beaten Thanos at any other moment (including Thanos' own arc "Thanos Wins"), but chose that time to do it for some stupid reason, so I would say yes, it is.

That's because in that arc he was trying to raise Thanos from a baby to not be an asshole, and this was the alternate future where Thanos was Punisher, and at first it looked all utopic until it turned dystopic.
At which point Frankie tried to kill him.

WHY ARE THERE THREE THREADS OF THIS BULLSHIT RIGHT NOW???

MODS DO YOUR JOBS

Can't believe there's people here defending Cates' bad storytelling...
Yeah, I know all that, I'm talking about him way before all that in Thanos Wins, not Cosmic Meme Rider's book. He got one-shotted and treated like a lackey during that time, yet later he shows he can just kill him in a very shonen anime way. He's just a pet character that fits the purpose of the plot regardless of consistency.

>Indonesia
Oh, so 20 people went to see it, instead of 15

he was brainwashed desu~
did you even read the comic?

Yeah, of course I read it, had a few laughs at the book, though not because it was good. And lol'd @ "brainwashed". Just fucking bullshit.

"I WANT MY NAME TO BE SPAGHETTI!"

bro he literally was not in control
Call it whatever you want, I call it brainwashed.
And yeah, I had some lols too, it was pretty goofy and I enjoyed it.

Why are they acting like Carol is the big cheese when she was just a D Lister a decade ago who gets smack around like she was nothing, too big of a power creep ngl. Any other cape who got a power creep like Carol? Can only think of doorman atm

Eh she gets smacked around a lot often, if anything she has been nerfed a lot. People forget this is the same person who until Hickman and Ewing's books she could go Binary (at a reduced level compared to her Claremont days) and wreck serious shit up. While Bendis and Aaron have written her as basically someone with Iron Man's power levels who can shoot blasts.

Shes being written as someone whos stronger than Thor now tho although after aarons run its not that much now

I just think Aaron doesn't really know how to write her, if you notice it's been like 10 or more issues until she had something to do AT ALL, every single time she's seen flying across the room and shit. And Thor is also written as weak, which makes me wonder how the fuck does this Avengers team pretend to be any stronger than, say, the Ultimates, or Hickman's Avengers before it.

Because Aaron is an idiot, the "most powerful Avenger team" was defeated by Hulk, Sentry and Namor, they are barely better than the Winter Guard.

But Starbrand killed a lot of people.

At what point did Strange leave the team? I don't remember it being addressed. Felt like he just stopped showing up.

That's because it was never addressed, looks like Strange just "ghosted" them and stopped showing up to the meetings.
Better this way though, let Waid write his Strange by himself like Ewing is doing his Hulk, no interruptions with events and shit.

Why not? Worked for Frank Castle
Sure she does, she should seek penance for not sucking my dick.

Nope, during the Aaron run one ghost rider accidently Penance Stared Dr Strange