How true is this?

How true is this?

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100%

90%

Needs a moat of all the things comics are doing to stop even comic fans from buying them.

Diamond alone makes up for most of the reason, historically.
Comic books were even more convoluted in the late 80s-early 90s and the market soared.

Only moviecasuals cant get into cape comics

>Diamond Distribution's monopoly over physical distribution
The only people who hate Diamond are people who don't understand comics.

Any publisher, including Marvel and DC, is completely free to sell their shit at newsstands and grocery stores again, but they DON'T WANT TO. The reason is that publishers publishing in supermarkets have to buy back EVERY SINGLE UNSOLD COPY.

DC and Marvel would go broke issuing refunds when nobody buys their shit. The only publishers who can survive in that market have to be so bland and inoffensive that nobody on Yea Forums would ever read it anyway.

I speak of course of Archie reprints.

Don't you go dissing my boy Archie

maybe

Nobody on Yea Forums reads them! I'm going to shout it from the rooftops! NOBODY ON Yea Forums READS THEM!

Especially in a thread about poor innocent helpless didn't-do-nothing Superhero Comics, nobody reads Archie reprints.

100% but it could actualy go even higher.
Another key point in the general aversion to comics it's their cycle-like nature.
The constant need to reboot things.
There's usually no satisfaction in following a story, because it will all be meaningless.

>"Oh dear, ohno, they killed uncle Ben again, poor Spiderman... well, let's watch him struggle with Gwen and MJ for the eleventh time"
>"Oh my, they killed Phoenix... you bastards"
>"Ooooh boi, I sure am ready to see Batman getting a sixth Robin"
>"OH MY GOD, UNIVERSE RESET, SO HYPE"

Why can't they ever stick to a continuity?
What's wrong with dealing with permanent changes to the world and their characters?

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>forcing new characters instead of using great already established ones.

batman and superman are about to break the centennial. They've had multiple stories, some of which are made to be "the last story". Look a how marvel constantly prohibits Spider-man grow as a character and constantly swing back and forth of being broke borderline homeless, to, finding happiness with someone he loves and being successful.

Which only then contributes to casuals straying away from the medium because they see the giant backlog of stories and don't want to pick them up.

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I think the buyback policy serves as a necessary check to the publishers that you can't just produce anything you want and expect the retailer to shoulder the burden of low quality product. LCS's are essentially buying comics sight unseen, are forced into weird purchasing schemes involving variant covers, and cannot send back comic books that, sometimes, can't even be given away. The publisher/retailer relationship as it stands now is far too uneven.

I like your theory, but my main point is that nobody is forcing Marvel and DC to use Diamond exclusively. They CHOOSE to use Diamond exclusively because it offers the best deal for them.

Hatred towards Diamond is misplaced hatred.

What is the Neum in this analogy?

>The reason is that publishers publishing in supermarkets have to buy back EVERY SINGLE UNSOLD COPY.
Just like the publishers of every other periodical do. Just like European comic book publishers that use newstands and supermarkets do.
The real issue here is that to make sure their comics would fly of the shelves US comic publishers would have to actually make sure they're making quality products, and they're not suddenly about to start doing that as long as paying chump change to the creative staff to shit out some old garbage recycled for the fifth time and slapping a big #1 or an event banner on the cover (or dozen covers) once every six months still is a net gain.

>They CHOOSE to use Diamond exclusively because it offers the best deal for them.
Name an alternative.

The hate for new characters is understandable. The recent failures on both DC and Marvel's part have kind of poisoned the well for the concept.

It doesn't help matters at all that the majority of these new characters are clearly short term cashgrabs instead of real commitments. I mean, did anyone actually expect Riri Williams to take over full time as Iron Man? Please.

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So what you are saying is we need to remove bosnia and reprimand croats for betraying christendom and bringing shame to the catholic peoples of the world

I mostly got comics growing up because they were sold in grocery stores. My parents were never going to drive my ass to any comic shop ever.

It also needs some guards as the gate-keeping comic fags who will hate on anyone who cannot quote years of Batman obscure history.

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The newsstand market. What conversation are you following?

>forcing new characters instead of using great already established ones
Ironically I just saw a dude arguing the opposite. Who cares, the things you like don’t have to be popular.

Who's gonna deliver the comics to the stores?

Those guys aren't stopping you from buying and reading comics.

Sounds like you don't understand what you're talking about either.

>Needlessly complex continuity

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>The real issue here is that to make sure their comics would fly of the shelves US comic publishers would have to actually make sure they're making quality products
Even (You) don't believe that quality equates to sales.

Think of the last "quality product" you read from Marvel or DC, something fresh and unusual outside of the A-listers and movie tie-ins. The sales for it were pretty low, weren't they? Was it canceled too?

they stop plenty from ever wanting to enter a comic shop

Care to explain?

The same shipping company that Archie uses to deliver their comics to newsstands, I suppose. It's already a solved issue.

Nobody knows jackchick. Welcome to hell. What, did you expect mature discussion here?

This does not happen in real life.

Technically they didn't. Diamond got a monopoly as a result of Marvel attempting to start their own in house distributor, which meant that all the other distributors suddenly lost nearly half of their business. Diamond was the only one to survive the chaos that followed.

Marvel then mismanaged their in house distribution to the point of needing to use Diamond. Good old Marvel.

I don't even remember the last product I've read from Marvel or DC, period. Because of the overall low quality.
Your argument however boils down to assuming that quality is inversely proportional to sales, which is equally as, if not even more ridiculous.
Well-written comics don't sell bad because they're well-written, thy sell bad because they're usually about third-rate characters not enough people care about. Meanwhile, bestsellers are so middling to bad because the publishers can get away with it, because they're usually a part of a popular "family" that will always sell regardless - or so the retailers think. And while changing the distribution model wouldn't change that, the fact that the publishers would have to foot the bill themselves - and immediately, at that - if case something receives bad word of mouth and the sales dip, would hamper it.

Ok tell me what this mixed metaphore is trying to say

>needlessly complex continuity
Boy do I hate this scapegoat.

Isn't DC expanding to other supermarkets since the deal with Walmart went so well? Granted it's just a collection of single floppies in one big book, I think?

>Granted it's just a collection of single floppies in one big book
Oh cool, they took my idea I've been repeating for six years now.

Idk, but they’re consistently sold out in my trashy Florida wall mart. Whatever that anecdote may mean.

There are going to be some angry knocks on your door when it fails.

Exactly.

Hrvatska stronk

You guys are litterally the worst slavs and the worst catholics

Like you guys are the opposite of Poland, and this is coming from a latino

Then they'd have to do something different, which could alienate old readers and put off new readers. They'd rather keep doing the same thing over and over again that works than try something new that might not work.

I think this

>my idea
wew lad

Good, fuck the people too pussy to pursue their interests because of some other fans.

As a Polish guy, I'll take this as a compliment.

Top slavs, not top catholics
You guys are on par with Hungary with that regaurd

>Granted it's just a collection of single floppies in one big book
>Oh cool, they took my idea I've been repeating for six years now.
Your new and original idea was.. a trade paperback?

It's single issues from different series, not a story arc from one series.

No, a big anthology. Is that actual thing just a trade? If so then why did that other user phrase it so weirdly?

So... You mean a showcase then? Which have been around forever?

Well, Polak, Węgier, dwa bratanki.

>You guys are litterally the worst slavs
That would be the Serbs and Slovenes.


>and the worst catholics
The Czechs

>Mad Croat found

Servs and Slovens resisted ottoman reign best they can, Croats may as well be albainian pigs

Sure... whatever it's called, it's working well. Marvel will probably follow suit soon.

Isn't... isn't that basically just what manga magazines have been doing for 50+ years?

Manga... manga hasn't had to deal with Diamond and LCSs being faggots.

>Croats may as well be albainian pigs
lel assblasted Serb. There's a reason why the pope gave Croatia the title of Bulwark of Christianity. Meanwhile Serbs are the biggest cucks in the Balkans given how often the get their ass kicked.

>Manga... manga hasn't had to deal with Diamond and LCSs being faggots

Japanese distributors are even worse , Im surprised the average life expectancy of Mangakas isn't much shorter

>My MANGAS are folded thousands of times and superior to all filthy western comics!

>still publishing single issues
>Needlessly complex continuity
These are non-issues that seem like problems from the outside.

I have no idea how things are in Japan, I just know that manga has kinda taken over book stores by me. Their self space is more than double comic paperbacks.

Stop projecting, you insecure faggot.

Actually there's no proof that folding it a thousand times makes it better and you're not just wasting your time being autistic. Just saying.

capeshit needs to stop doing ~30 page single issues each month, or do single issues once every 2 weeks or something.

i think user meant the 100 page books from wal mart which are just 3 issues or so together from different series...i think. not a trade.

I'd rather floppies just die out all together, but LCSs would throw a fit, because they cannot sell TPB/HC books at decent enough profit.

Comics are niche because they don’t appeal to the majority of the population. Full Stop.

It doesn’t matter what you perceive the hurdles are. It doesn’t matter what changes you implement or improvements you make. Comics will never be mainstream because the vast majority of people out there are repulsed by the very concept. “Little books with drawings? Why would I spend money on that?” Doesn’t matter if it’s a cape or a contemplation on religion. Most people don’t care.

The success of the movies, video games and TV shows has made countless people curious about the source material but the actual number of people that pick up even one single issue is preposterously small. They always have an excuse, even before setting foot in a comic shop. Before seeing the price. Before getting into the continuity.

I’ve had coworkers, friends, roommates, etc. express an interest in comics. I’ve held their hand and showed them comics from all genres. Most just picked up one trade or issue, read it and then quietly put it away and never spoke of it again.

Do comic shops present a barrier for new fans? Yes. Does Diamond muck things up? Maybe. Is continuity an issue? Maybe for some. The fact is people don’t care, so trying to constantly pursue an audience that will not... cannot care is pointless.

>he says as he tears down churches of our lord for his bosnian buddies

are floppies the most profitable things at the lcs?

>Do comic shops present a barrier for new fans? Yes. Does Diamond muck things up? Maybe. Is continuity an issue? Maybe for some. The fact is people don’t care, so trying to constantly pursue an audience that will not... cannot care is pointless.


>see age of ultron film
>pick up tpb of age of ultron having never read a comic book in my life
>wtf fuck comics

>shells women and children from the safety of the mountains
>destroys catholic churches that survived the Turks and the commies
>hides behind peacekeepers when push comes to shove

You’re honestly giving them too much credit, most people won’t even read the comic.

I had a coworker, black guy fresh out of college. Typical “woke” attitude and absolutely in love with Ta Nahesi Coates. He had his book (books?) and followed his Atlanta writings religiously.

When it was announced he was going to write Black Panther the dude was at my desk begging me to take him to the comic shop down the road. So we did and... the results were less than stellar. Again, this guy couldn’t have been MORE ready to read a comic. 110% interested.

I show him a single floppy. He holds it in his hand...puzzled. He flips a few pages and his face scowls in befuddlement. He looks at me and mutters “is this it?” I knew immediately that he was the type that would not ever read a floppy. That’s cool, I told him. In a few months they’ll collect 5 or 6 of these into book. “I’m just supposed to wait?” I offered to show him some of the classic collections but he hated the art and didn’t want “some nobody” writer. He bought the single issue and read it in 3 minutes. He said he just couldn’t see the point of it all and was disappointed with Coates.

This was a comic engineered to appeal to this guy and he was pumped for it...but as soon as he came to understand what a comic was he lost all interest. This is just a single story, I’m sure you’ll have 10 success stories for every negative I mention.

Sorry “The Atlantic”

Replace the new characters bit with impressions lingering from when "Seduction of the Innocent" was printed

Actually folding the manga newsprint page dozens of times will make it stronger and more resilient than western comic glossy litho paper.

Western glossy paper is just as extravagant and needlessly over decorated while still remaining weaker and inferior just like all things gaijjin.

no i mean
>be me
>see age of ultron movie
>buy tpb
>nothing like the movie, i need to know about all these non mcu characters
>drop cape comics because retarded mcu movie titles make marvel comics inaccessible
>decide to get back into cape comics
>start reading new 52 DC
>unironically love new 52 justice league and batman and DC rebirth

marvel needs to pull a crisis on infinite earths and reset everything for the sole purpose of getting new readers. so fucking ez
>thanos did some shit with the reality gem and now everything that happened since 1960s never happened.

>It also needs some guards as the gate-keeping comic fags who will hate on anyone who cannot quote years of Batman obscure history.
In my experience most of the time when comic fans bring up obscure history they’re trying to use it to explain why a character is so cool or goofy. I’m not denying that gatekeeping like that doesn’t happen but the few times I’ve seen/experienced it I can count on one hand

The Age of Ultron comics sucked. What does that have to do with the general appeal of comics as a medium?

a person who likes the mcu and has never read a comic will buy an age of ultron or infinity war trade and be confused as to why the movie isnt like the book and vice versa and theyll drop comics from that.

JUST GET IT OVER WITH
IF THIS IS TRUE JUST LET IT BEEEEEEEE

>Comics with great art but bad writing
>Comics with bad art but great writing
>Comics that are decent all around
>Comics that has the artist/writer changed between issues
> -or within issues

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And how does this factor in to the meme?

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No one is.

Slovenes aren't even slavic you retard. They're basically Germanics.

"Idiotic gatekeeping fans" is missing

Sums it up right, very susinct

Where’s the
>Manga is vastly cheaper (if you are willing to pay for it, and pretty much everything is available for free with a single google search) and higher quality art?

*austrians