Why are there no positive animation news/discussion websites? Why is there nothing but rage, pessimism, disrespect...

Imagine calling yourself a fan of animation and cordoning yourself off from the most technically proficient and prolific culture of animation.

Amerimutt comic/cartoon news sites only praise their mutt trash and hate anything else like anime

She ra on rotten tomatoes proves it

Seek a therapist

outrage culture gets more views

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Have you tried making a fist with you brain and punching the bad thoughts?
It's how I get through the days.

That and writing. Not like anyone else is going to tell me the stories I want to see made real.

The community gets exactly what it deserves. Endlessly critiquing is easier than actually making something themselves.

Are there bad choices in /co related media? Oh heck yes. Part of the problem with western comics is clinging so fucking hard to remakes of the same damn heroes that to have their work stand out from over half a century of redos writers do shit like subverting tropes in an attempt to be witty, push historically straight characters as gay, etc.

Is it annoying and trashy? Yes. But instead of being always upset and sucking the smegma from /pol's cock maybe we could just talk about what we like as a community of enthusiasts.

tldr: Fuck Ms Marvel but Fuck the people losing their shit about Ms Marvel even more.

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What article on cartoons is about negativity. Show me that. They only push modern American cartoons

Because positive threads get no attention. Only baits, retarded rage and lewds get replies. Look at the amount of Captain Marvel outrage threads.

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Awkward, unoriginal, same-looking, barely animated excrement with no concept of humor is something I'm proud I'm not a fan of.

Everywhere else is generally so positive though. Yea Forums is where it's really negative. There's not like a day where most people aren't bitter about something. Unreasonable hate or not, it's like 24/7 negativity here

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I don’t know man, I think you need a better filter. Every day I come to Yea Forums, I leave with a little something positive.

You’re focusing on the wrong shit.

Not a fan of cartoon network, huh?

and reddit is 24/7 about self justification. they ban any criticism or downvote it into oblivion

You're simply uneducated. All of those problems are worse in western cartoons besides arguably comedy.

Agreed. Also the Carol haters have ironically been used as good PR by Disney as usual in these situations

>don't voice consumer dissent

Cringe

>negative

What media is """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""negative"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ?

They literally only push any kind of SJW/Tumblr trash on their readerships. Theres no fucking criticism of any modern American cartoon.

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Flat, hyperbolic animation, where unoriginal content is dressed in endlessly repeated designs is not something to be a fan of.

I was watching Tarzan last weekend and it shocked me how amazing the animation was in portraying emotion with simple movements and expressions and adapting a model into endless shapes and forms yet keeping the core character still recognizable throughout. Meanwhile the same is almost unachievable in jap animation except by the greatest of the greatest animators over there who still aren't as skilled as the likes of Don Bluth.

Really enjoying those Tarzans coming out every year. Oh wait....

If you think anime all looks the same, you need to watch more anime.

promote the good, ignore the bad. there is no such thing as bad press

Probably because every beloved franchise keeps getting hijacked by shitty people who don't care.

No u xD

You’re less likely to engage in discussion with something you agree with/find positive

You described most modern cartoons perfectly.

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Unless people are talking about porn.

>Really enjoying those Tarzans coming out every year

If you rush perfection, you get the rushed garbage that is anime that has a decent film come out once every 10 years.

Probably because you're on Yea Forums and the only time people are positive here is when talking about which cartoon girl they wanna fuck. Go to Reddit or Twitter if you want positivity.

>putting a year on it like that means anything at all

You want to know how I know you don't know shit about animation?

Beyond that, that's not what all cartoons look like or what all anime looks like. I'd agree Tarzan is more impressive than Mirai.

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>judging animation based on cherry picked stills

Didn't seem to stop Disney before, I wonder what changed?

Anime is all about TV and OVA anyway.

There, better?

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While I don't disagree that anime is definitely not on the level of Renaissance Disney these descriptions read like someone who has no idea how to write about film and just wants to sound smart. It sounds like me trying to write an essay on a film I half-watched while drunk.

I'm obviously referring to their TV and OVA's. Their animated films are the only ones that are worth mentioning when you bring up technical achievement and skill.

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You are still comparing one cartoon to one anime.

Compare the Powerpuff Girls Movie to Akira and I can have a completely different result.

You must hate modern western TV animation even more than I do.

Powerpuff Girls Movie wasn't accoladed for its technical achievement. Tarzan and Mirai both were.

I wouldn't even know, since I haven't even watched it in 10 years.

Actually, that's a lie, I still watch Adult Swim.

Everything else I don't even bother to acknowledge.

Television actually legitimately hurt the quality of cinema when it was released. It's built on a model inherently designed for quantity over quality. That's not an animation thing, even if animation does happen to have even lower standards considering it's designed for children and/or slow adults.

What a strange standard. So recognition from 'critics' is what determines if a movie is worthy of comparison or analysis?

I should mention, by the way, you are just comparing a single image from both movies. We can get a sense of the character design and background quality but not much else. You've selected an extremely dynamic pose from Tarzan, and not so much from Mirai. Not to mention, without movement, we can't talk about the actual animation quality itself.

As I said before, I believe Tarzan is far more accomplished, but your arguments and proofs are pretty stupid. Even if you had a good argument, all that it would say is Tarzan has better technicals than Mirai, and would not reflect on either side of the industry as a whole.

>What a strange standard. So recognition from 'critics' is what determines if a movie is worthy of comparison or analysis?
No, but what would compare Tarzan to?

What would you compare Mirai to?

I wouldn't compare single films in a discussion about anime and wester animation and their strengths and weaknesses. You'd probably need dozens, as well as factoring in that one gets made regularly and one only got made by one or two companies and doesn't exist anymore.

>As I said before, I believe Tarzan is far more accomplished, but your arguments and proofs are pretty stupid. Even if you had a good argument, all that it would say is Tarzan has better technicals than Mirai, and would not reflect on either side of the industry as a whole.

Probably because I was comparing designs and not their animation, hence why pointing out the holes in my argument which aren't even present is pretty stupid in itself.

>I wouldn't compare single films in a discussion about anime and wester animation and their strengths and weaknesses

Why not? I'll compare apples and oranges. Why can't I compare one of the best Western animated films with one of the best Eastern animated films? The comparison is primarily to drive it through everyone's head how flat and emotionless a lot of Eastern animation is, where they draw characterization out from hyperbolicism and ornamentation of their characters rather than through the artists ability to transpose the personality and feelings of a character through their faces and movements alone. All anime characters move alike, they all make the same expresions, and they all look alike. How is that not a valid criticism?

When I say "all" it should be recognized that I'm generalizing.

Newsflash: outrage and bad news always sells more than good news. Why do you think professional news channels are so depressing to watch?

Look at the fucking site you're on now. If people here ever cared about comics or cartoons, they sure as fuck don't show it. It's easier to sell negativity than positivity because everyone wants to see shit fail, it uplifts them, because they've let negativity take over their very cores. Love and hate are a Möbius strip, and if you lose track of your feet you forget where on the track you happen to be. Basically, tons of people are confusing mindless hatred for fervent devotion, and it's incredibly destructive.

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White people

Is pic related not you?

>why not
Because if you do it comes off as ignorant to the wide breadth that both have to offer. Decades of different styles and goals and target markets from each, especially if you factor in animation for Television.

>they draw characterization out from hyperbolicism and ornamentation of their characters rather than through the artists ability to transpose the personality and feelings of a character through their faces and movements alone.

You can't prove this with one image from one anime, i'm sorry.

>All anime characters move alike, they all make the same expresions, and they all look alike.

This is very much not the case, even in a general perspective. It's true they /generally/ focus on realism or exaggerated realism, (rarely will you see an anime character move like Ed from Ed Edd n Eddy for example) but different character animators will very clearly animate their characters differently. Conan from Mirai Shonen Conen does not move like Shinji from Neon Genesis Evangelion.

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People have negativity here because most people who browse Yea Forums are unhappy with their lives. The few that are happy don't care about being positive or negative and simply mention their opinions which become enflamed by rage and bait posts, or the positive ones drowned out in a see of "you's" from the hippest memes being spammed in threads.

This is why /vr/ is one of the better boards on this site. They have genuine discussion and memes have very minimal effect on there.

most americans obsessed with twitter are unhappy by your definition

they and media becoming twatter centric are the outraged horde. not Yea Forums posters.

There should be a retro version of both Yea Forums and Yea Forums. People who just watch current stuff are either into it for the conversation/subculture or they are newfags to the medium. Fans who can talk about stuff 10+ years or older are more than likely actual fans of the medium and tend to be more educated.

If you want positivity and circle jerk head in over to Reddit and the sub of whatever it is you want to masturbate over. You can't be negative or say mean things on Reddit.

unless it's politics

The dominant style of anime has been the same with very little alteration for at least 3 decades now. There was more variety in anime in the 80's and early 90's, but then it all became streamlined. The best decade for anime was the 80's, flatout, but even then, I wouldn't say they were the best.

>You can't prove this with one image from one anime, i'm sorry.
I wasn't expecting to change the face of the discussion from a single screencap in a Yea Forums thread, I was trying to spark a debate, which is what it has done thus far.

>It's true they /generally/ focus on realism or exaggerated realism, (rarely will you see an anime character move like Ed from Ed Edd n Eddy for example)
They don't move realistically at all. I would say Ed Edd n Eddy has better movement for the majority of TV anime's.

youtube.com/watch?v=Yr60SJOjrAs

Compare this with

youtube.com/watch?v=k4UoYoDLiXM

That, and there's no comparison. The characters in Ed Edd n Eddy move with a more believable sense of weight and all have their own personality with movement. In Naruto, they all fight the same, they all run with the same form, the only differentiating aspect is their clothing and their special powers. In the few instances you do see a character's "personality" it uses hyperbolicism to stretch out their faces to outlandish proportions and and have very poorly drawn and hobbled together frames of gigantic mouths, huge eyes, or other endlessly re-used tropes that are stapled onto every other TV anime under the sun, be it the giant sweat drop that slides over the character which you can predict almost with a timer on numerous occasions, or the steam from someone's ears, the constant need to add the blank white eyes and straight-line mouths to make them look "afraid" in a comedic fashion, or the sharp teeth and giant mouth for anger.

When fighting they are always a disassortment of lengthy limbs being flung like whips across the screen to imply speed-
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>retro Yea Forums
The thing is, there's barelly anything to discuss about when it comes to retro Yea Forumsmedia.

Fucking this. I was on r/Hilda and I couldn't fucking stand it. It was a big circlejerk of faggots posting their bad fanart.

Idk, I just try to think possitive, watch only the Yea Forumsntend that I like and ignore faggots whome say "durr dark age".

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Yes but only over the right things. Like the right. You are allowed to say mean things about the right.

all political/ideological/racial topics are banned on comic/cartoon subs except for criticisms of trump. even on anime subs except for of japan. you cant even doubt about those expressions.

you can only be allowed to say something positive about a content.

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and the characters lack a crossfade in between their actions and then their next action, every single time. They lack the ability, time, or money to properly animate their shift in momentum in order to accomplish the accrobatic super-heroic feats we always see them perform, while it's always acted out in full form in western animation.

Add on top of this the need to constantly add mouth flaps, even in motion picture movies, and the characters begin to resemble cardboard cutouts instead of actual entities being drawn to life. Japanese animation has taken a back-seat in proficiency for quantity for a long time now and it shows, but because people obsessed with this type of content consume their lives with it, they become too biased to really admit any of the flaws about what they've spent most of their lives endlessly pouring into.

>There has been little alteration in anime style for the past 30 years.

Very VERY wrong. There is a median design philosophy for every 5 years or so, but many stray from it. It isn't any different than say, Calarts or McCracken style for example.

I wont defend the animation of Naruto, you've brought out the anime equivalent of Pelswick (in terms of technicals). Even then, Naruto does have a more cinematic direction aspect to it, something that most western television animation lacks.

Once again, we find ourselves in agreement, Ed Edd n Eddy have better character animation (on average, outside of a few peak moments) than Naruto.

>most americans obsessed with twitter are unhappy by your definition

Why limit it to Americans? Other people use twitter from other countries like the UK and Germany, and are absolutely unhappy with their lives.

Guys? I don't want to interrupt your discussion, but I've always wondered exactly in which moment Japan stopped doing things like moomins and started to go for generic bland styles and writting? I mean, have you seen moomins? It's japanese animation, but It doesn't feel like anime.

I refuse to ask it in Yea Forums.

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>The thing is, there's barelly anything to discuss about when it comes to retro Yea Forumsmedia.

That's because you're an idiot who's uneducated on retro Yea Forums material.

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>1990

There's your answer. Sailor Moon ruined anime in Japan.

Now you get all the Yea Forumsutists who come here and fail miserably in trying to prove anime is anything but a joke

Again, you're looking in the wrong threads. There's many positives if you look for it

cause Americans, and some bongs, are the only ones so obsessed with the fucking outrage culture full of angers jealousy inferiority complexes and annoyances. this isnt happening in other countries

Not that user, but
>If Yea Forumsustist do that shit, then I should do it to!
I don't think you should copy they autistic behaviour, user, you are not better than them.

>this isnt happening in other countries

lol

I disagree that anime as a whole is generic or bland, it's anything but. It's far more experimental than say, western television, and mainstream film and animation.

To answer your question though, many early anime creators loved Fairy Tales and Science Fiction as a passion, so those outside influences came through. On top of that, animation projects and co-productions came from all over the world (such as that Moomin anime there) so there was cross pollination of sensibilities. Now the rest of the world has killed their traditional animation (for the most part) and anime creators only are obsessed with other anime. It's become much more incestious in terms of sensibility.

It's the same now with the 'calarts era'. Similar humor, similar artstyles. Because they are almost all californians with the same connections.

You are really limiting yourself if you wont explore anime.

Cal-arts is the same type of cancer that killed animation in Japan.

As for "experimental" there are plenty of main-stream examples of modern experimental western animation, just look at music videos.

>Sailor Moon ruined anime
Can you explain this one to me?

the liberals have become irrational sjw prudes and brexshit and trump regimes have utterly self-centered. only you anglo countries want to be "isolated" from the world. on top of that sjws are too fucking xenophobic and very western-centric. even chinks arent doing this much of nationalism. you are fucked up

Watch sailor moon. That's all the information you need.

Yes but only over the right things. Like the right. You are allowed to say mean things about the right.
>
>I disagree that anime as a whole is generic or bland, it's anything but. It's far more experimental than say, western television, and mainstream film and animation.

Fuck you weeaboo cuck. If you love anime so much go back to Yea Forums. Anime is for virgin losers. No exceptions.

>anglo countries

Germans are the largest ethnicity in America, lmao

Not the person who did the cherrypicking and not defending them doing that, but it's a heavy proportion of Yea Forums brigaders who do that
Nah man, anime has some great stuff. It's just significantly inferior

>even chinks arent doing this much of nationalism

Are you retarded? China is the most nationalistic country on the planet. If you even think that the CCP is "inadequate" you're sent to a fucking work camp.

Animation in Japan is far from dead. If we are talking 2D there is no place more alive.

I suppose you're right about music videos, it was not an avenue I've considered. I prefer narrative exploration in animation rather than mostly visuals, but there is stuff out there if you don't have that preference.

>Using cal arts unironically
That basically killed your entire post, friendo. Cal arts is nothing but a death meme at this point. If you think that the entire western animation industry is "le bean face" I only can tell you, stop watching only CN and Disney toons.

I have. Elaborate further.

That is not an argument. We were having a civil conversation before you showed up.

Try watching older shows. World Masterpiece Theatre. Miyazaki's Television work. Leiji Matsumoto's shows.

>but it's a heavy proportion of Yea Forums brigaders who do that
Yes, and that behaviour is obnoxious, that's why I telling the user who made the edit to stop. Do not copy the cancer, please.

'Calarts' is a simplification of the very real homogeneity in mainstream television animation currently.

Be the change you want to see in the world.
I see people make this complaint about Yea Forums every once in a while. And when they do, usually they complain about how the users are all nasty to each other.
Often, the people complaining are also pretty nasty to everyone else.
Not saying you are, mind you. But really, if you think we don't need more "disrespect" (as you put it) then you should not add to that. Otherwise you are working against your own interests by creating more vitriol on the board while at the same time wanting less.

>'Calarts' is a simplification of the very real homogeneity in mainstream television animation currently.

Imagine being this wrong.

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im not talking about chinks. just saying you are worse than chinks in a way.

dont derail from the topic. these messed up situations make you always outraged and are only seen in anglo countries and why you are so unhappy with shit platforms like twatter. this is a fact.

It's dead in the sense of the respect for their medium. It's like saying the "film industry is dead".

>I suppose you're right about music videos, it was not an avenue I've considered
Here's a couple
youtube.com/watch?v=y2vzBdIejVY
youtube.com/watch?v=EKLWC93nvAU
youtube.com/watch?v=hyj4JFSErrw
youtube.com/watch?v=oTN6cGmH2yM
youtube.com/watch?v=UbQgXeY_zi4

The image you posted exemplifies aspects of that homogeneity. Most notably in the mouth, line thickness and head shape/proportion to the body.

> just saying you are worse than chinks in a way.

Lol, what a joke. Let me guess you're a mestizo?

Then in that sense I'll agree to an extent. More and more anime becomes a product rather than a vision. I'll be sure to check those out, thanks.

Nigga, animation has always been used simplifications, Cal arts is just a boogey man to blame for the thundercats reboot and other modern animated blasfemies. And yes, the bean face has been there there.

>More and more anime becomes a product rather than a vision
Wait wait wait, but we're talking about how cal arts is a meme with no meaning and how using in basically invalidates your entire post, do not derail the conversation, please.

And yes, using that meme unironically makes you retarded, please stop using it in my board, thanks.

>The image you posted exemplifies aspects of that homogeneity
Okay, what about this one, do you think this is "homogeneity"?

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And what about this one? Do you think this is "homogeneity"?

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No, of course not, Laika works in an entirely different medium.

Simplifications can be utilized in different ways. For example, Courage is a simplified Dog, so is Clifford. They are both simplified animated dogs, but they lack much homogeneity.

Dipper and Gumball (random example) both are simplified forms of humans (or human like), but because of the current state of mainstream western animation in television, they have many similar traits.

>don't change the subject
You're not the only one i'm talking to.

Gumball and Dipper character designs are far different, the fuck are you talking about
>Inb4 posting that bean face gif
I've said many times, that's a shitty meme.

If you really want to proof the "homgeneity" in western animation in TV you have to show me characters from all, ALL TV animated shows that aired since... IDK ¿2012? until know, if you just pick two random shows and say because they have bean face then the entire industry is equal, then you are falling in cherry picking. Show me all the characters designs from all the american shows that aired between 2012-now and then, just then I'll give you a point.

Because user, if you like something and want to share it, your a shill.

If you hate something and want to share your view on it, your a *insert wojack image here*.

Yea Forums isn't just a narcissistic pessimistic person, it's a place filled with autists of spiraling quality and personalities. Plus, screams of rage tend to be louder than joy filled laughter

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>screams of rage tend to be louder than joy filled laughter
You can say that to every board in Yea Forums, user.

Your barrier to entry is too high and unreasonable for a conversation, if that's what you need to have a dialogue with me, than I'm unable to do it.

>they don't look alike
I disagree. The mouth shape, head shape and general proportions are in line with the median 'style' that is in vogue in mainstream western 2D television animation. Similar to how Craig McCracken helped define the style of many of Cartoon Network's older shows. The main difference and what makes it a problem to me is back then there were PLENTY of shows that diverged radically from the formula. Now there are very few.

Homogeneity exists currently in the western animation sphere. In terms of humor, in terms of influence and in terms of artstyle.

And we'll have the same exact question posed about how everything was a lot more positive "back in the day" when in reality all that changed was the language and lingo used in next week's thread in the adjacent boards.

lol amerimutts are so desperate and scared as fuck of anime lol
nobody watches those shitty american cartoons outside anglo shitholes and some spic lands

you can keep consuming sjw trash cartoons lmao

Because people who like shit usually only stick around to discuss it once or twice in a positive light. After that they've said their piece and will generally move on whereas people who don't like shit are more than happy to spend all day every day discussing why they don't like it.

Also as a general rule I would say that the people who generally like shit are also more likely to spend more of their time going to find more shit they like or consume more of the stuff they like.

Not trying to say that negative discussion is pointless or anything like that, it has a purpose and it serves it well. Just pointing out that some people get sucked into it while other people acknowledge it and engage with it occasionally while otherwise investing themselves into positive stuff like content creation and consuming new content.

Stop making anime fans look bad. Western animation has very many valuable shows, films, shorts and whatnot. Western doesn't mean just American, by the way.

>Homogeneity exists currently in the western animation sphere
>Because I've just picked two random popular cartoons that barely looks similar!
Okay, pal.
But wait, I thought we were just talking about TV animation.

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user stop feeding him for gods sake, I know you forgot the one major rule back in 2015 but that doesn't mean it wasn't valuable

Tbh I just wish there were more decent places for general discussions of comics and cartoons. Most places on Reddit and Tumblr are mainly for fangirling over a specific show or comic company so it becomes an echo chamber very quickly. I don’t need everybody calling each other faggots all the time but I wish there were more places where you could talk about an older cartoon not many people watched or talk about where the industry’s going from here.

go to twitter or reddit
why are you even here.

There's Spacebattles forums I guess.

I didn't think i'd have to specify every single time I make a post. I assumed you would be able to follow.

Though it is a problem in the theatrical CG sphere as well. Many canned facial expressions and design sensibilities there too.

>don't look alike
They really do look similar and both match the median design sensibility that has been nicknamed 'calarts'.

Since I would need to post every single cartoon in order to make a point, perhaps it would be easier to make the opposite point?

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She's being put in the upper echelons of WB Animation though, that cunt is going to be influencing the entire animation wing instead of just CN, [as] and Boomerang

That's not how that works. When she gets higher up, all she does is oversee the people who make the real decisions.

>promote the good, ignore the bad.
there is NOTHING good to report on

Why are you blind ?

Here's one!

euronews.com/tag/animation-film

Welcome to a world dominated by post irony where sincerity is considered for fags. You'll never find anything good because everyone has to pretend they're so above it all under layers of irony.

what are things you liked in the past?

>proficient
>can't do lip syncing right

LMAO

most cartoons are sjw trash and they will forever

you know you win. whats your actual complaint

Positivity is boring.

I've tried watching some animation reviewers who try praising things. I won't give names so that you don't call me a shill, but the point is, their videos are boring and unimmersive. They just recite the plot and say "hey, this is good character development" or "yeah, this scene is impressive". A snoozefest. Most probably because the majority of there reviewers try to ape the Nostalgia Critic style, not realizing the Nostalgia Critic style was meant for bashing the movies and overreacting (though when they try doing THAT, it's even worse). Even Doug himself often falls into boring territory when he tries praising something.

Video essays, on the other hand, seem like a good format to praise something and to talk about some aspects of a work constructively. The problem is, video essays require emotion and passion, which is often hard for spergs who are used to talking about cartoons in monotonous voices.

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no user, this kind of person never liked anything and never will like anything

they are here just to rage