"DC Magic Is Better Than Marvel Mag-"

But you're wrong. Reality warpers are only bested by beings that create reality themselves or beings that can ignore them on a higher level.

no

And by that you mean forgotten in 2 months.

First of all, you're the same shit poster who spams these threads
Secondly, being a powerlevel faggot.
Thirdly, one writer does not dictate the entirety of DC
And lastly, DC magic is more about the amazing stories.

So is he keeping the little spell ball as a pet

Nah, this will be brought up whenever someone talks about DC magic being better.

Usually they're talking about story quality and not powerlevel faggotry.

>The guy that brought a universe back to life just to kill it again in front of Batman pwns a couple of low level magic characters
I fail to see how this diminishes DC magic relative to Marvel in any way. The numbers thing is bullshit, but DC has been shitting on their magic lore with JLD already so its nothing new.

>low-level
You can at least try to pretend you know what you're talking about.

>Implying Constantine, Etrigan, Z, and Blue Devil are high level
High level is Specter, Dr. Fate, and the Thunderbolt.

And Alan Scott since the Starheart has 99 percent of the chaos magic in the universe inside it.

>DC magic is more about the amazing stories.
Fate has NO good villains or stories, he's just background fodder for Justice Society group pics. Stuff like Justice League Dark and Shadowpact failed hard and were cancelled. 'Magic' characters like Shazam and Wonder Woman just solve problems by punching really hard. Where are these good magical stories? I'm not seeing them.

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Fate is right there and only Zatanna and Ettrigan are bothering to do something

>Fate right there in the corner
Fuck, I didn't see him there.

Leave it to Johns to have Fate show up and do fuck-all, especially in a story ostensibly about the JSA.

Because JLD and Shadowpact were ass. The Immortal Dr. Fate was a good mini and the DeMatteis run was good, especially once the Strausses were dropped and Inza-Kent came back.

Etrigan is a prince of hell and and Zatanna is the mistress of magic. John is trying to do a thing and it's not landing.

>Hellblazer
>Swamp Thing
>not good
Eat shit

Vertigo. The Power of Shazam. JSA (since it has most of the big name magic characters on it already)

>Shadowpact
>ass
Why?

Fucking casual.

Oh absolutely. Johns has totally burned through his JSA cred with this abomination. "Low scraps of creation weilded by outcasts" get fucked. Zatanna has been well-connected on the Justice League since the Satellite era and Alan Scott is one of the standard bearers of the world's oldest and most prestigious superhero organizations.

He's trying to do a meta thing but it doesn't work when you really examine it.

I'm enjoying JLD

Yeah JSA is mostly a magic book. During Johns they had:
>Alan Scott
>Jakeem Thunder
>Cameo by Hal Specter
>Hector Hall Fate
>Captain Marvel and Black Adam
That's more magic users than any other superteam I can think of.

>Fate has no good stories
I know as a rule Yea Forums doesn't read comics but Yea Forums really doesn't read comics do they?

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the smiley rainbows and incest-y story were a bit weird otherwise it's really good. I also enjoyed Dini's Zatanna it was fun even if it's not a super deep Gaiman magic book.

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>Demanties
Will check out

>Yea Forums really doesn't read comics do they?

Yeah, pretty much.

Evil Ernie/Lady Death is Silver Age, Spider-Man was an obscure character even among comics fans until the Andrew Garfield movies, Namor post-dates Aquaman, Guardians of the Galaxy has ALWAYS been one of Marvel's flagship titles, Miller invented the 'dead parents' backstory for Batman, Atlas/Timely Comics never existed, Everett K. Ross was a creation of the MCU and pointing out his major presence as narrator in Priest's run is proof you've never read Priest's run, Flash's rogues are more known to normies than Batman's...

That's all shit I've seen on this board from people who weren't trolling. I'm on laptop now, but I've got a folder on my main computer of screenshots of all this, from 2009 to now.

>Spider-Man was an obscure character even among comics fans until the Andrew Garfield movies
That's a sign of a stroke.

Don't forget "DC civilians are better than Marvel civilians" is dead too.

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Still better than condoning the genocidal giant killer robots.

Retard.

Also Marvel civilians tried beating the shit out of the Flash when they first saw him meanwhile the Marvel heroes were butthurt that DC civilians made museums and statues of their heroes.

Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8.

Has Tommy progressed from whining about Namor and Doom to Fate now?

What is the worst thing they did in the last 5, or even 10 years?

Protest the Hulk's funeral? Come on, they have every right to hate the Hulk.

Naw, Marvel still has DC beat on that front even if the current crop of writers is hell-bent on making DC as much like Marvel as they can.

>What is the worst thing they did in the last 5, or even 10 years?
Consistently treating every mutant like shit even though there is no logical reason to hate them more than other meta humans like the ones who were born humans, learned magic or are aliens?

Marvel civilians are ridiculously terribly written jerks

>Where are these good magical stories?
I guess 300 issues of Hellblazer aren't enough for you?

DC FAGS BTFO

>thinking jla/avengers is canon
Also this. Based Geoff

>magic is residue from the Creation
I genuinly dont see the problem with this?

A little baiting but not false.
The best Doc strange story>>> the best DC magic story

A-at least we are s-still better in animation

Manhattan vs high level DC cosmics.

johns should be hanged

>DC is just Copying Marvel
Even casuals would think you're a pleb.

Lol I’m a huge strangefag but unless you don’t count Vertigo as DC this is pure bullshit

Maybe read up on the Captain Atom legacy characters, idiot, they're all immune to magic. Manhattan would rape Doctor Strange in the limey ass.

The Virgin Magicians vs The Chad Mathematician

I'd love for the Anti-Monitor to stomp Manhattan's pompous ass around.

Isn't Marvel magic sort of like just stealing super science from the future or some shit? I remember reading a Dr. Strange, I think it's the one where Wang got cancer, where Strange explains he can't just poof penicillin into thin air because it became a reality. So he can poof a cure for the common cold until someone makes a pill to do it or some shit.

I am probably wrong because I don't really recall it too well because that story sucked ass.

Who wrote it?

I'll give your Wang cancer

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Yes and no. When people say that DC's magic is great they're usually referring to the Vertigo stuff and everything outside of that is the usual garbage capeshit is known for.

Sauce?

(YOU) are getting desperate.

Show me a good DC magic story that's better than the Vertigo stuff then.

definitely sounds like he's talking about "Doctor Strange: The Oath"

so, Brian K. Vaughan

>better than vertigo stuff
The vertigo stuff IS DC genius. They never really did manage to distance themselves from DC truly.

New52 Zatanna
Also New52Martian Manhunter
I'm not a massive new52 fag but those immediately come to mind

Cont.
Magic kinda takes a backseat to new52 MM but Foss damn it was a good mini

what is this

Doomsday Clock

Stanley and his monster.

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thanks guy

DC in name only. Different creatives, different guidelines, different editors. Those books formed in a completely different environment from mainline DC so treating them as the same beast is a bit disingenuous.

>those
>anywhere near the same level as Sandman, Lucifer, Swamp Thing, or Constantine
That's a funny joke.

>durr it's not magic it's this vague and meaningless phrase about creation scraps, PS here's a tortured attempt at a compsci analogy so I sound more cold and logical per my failed understanding of what's in character here
>Now I'll make a smug face and put the word "magic" in quotes to mock you for not subscribing to my inane, poorly described pseudo-explanation

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You misspelled Hellblazer
But yeah, of Zatanna didn't get fucking cancelled and continued the way it was going it had potential I do think that. Brother Night is an awesome as fuck and horribly underused villain. I just included MM because it's a personal bias, though.

Yeah but in this page you only see niggers complaining in Marvel even they W**te people are being retards

>huge strangefag
Sure Tommy

>DC in name only
Most of Swamp Thing happened in DC.
The Demon and The spectre referenced Lucifer stepping down from hell.
Lyta Hall? She's from infinity Inc.
Death of The Endless showed up in action comics right after blackest night.
Morrison's Doom Patrol is canon to DC and so is Matt Wagner's Madame X which came after 2008.
The Sandman: Overture even name dropped the green lanterns.

So some tenuous connections means they're the exact same thing despite being developed in completely different environments? Vertigo might have spawned from DC but it's still its very own creature.

I always thought that Geoff had a hate hard on for magic throughout his carrier. This here feels like more evidence for it

>Vertigo might have spawned from DC but it's still its very own creature.
Not really.

>guest appearances and direct references
>tenuous connections
Pedantic cunt.

A lot of these pre-vertigo titles were originally DC which objectively makes them DC comics.

this makes me so goddamn angry, jon has a normal human mind when it comes to what he's interacting with, he can't analyze things instantly, you literally see him using beakers and shit, he has ultimate matter manipulation abilities and time seeing abilities (tachiyons fuck it up) but for fucks sake he isn't a god who can just blaharrawwawawwrrrawerae

Johns having a fundamental misunderstanding of Watchman? I am shocked I tell you, just shocked.

>Doctor Manhattan is deconstructing them
Do you get it?

Manhattan is magic now. Wow.

Read The Books of Magic and Lucifer. Dr. Manhattan is right, magic IS scraps of creation.

Why do you guys read this shit? It's utter garbage.

>for my first trick, I will make my own penis disappear

Not to mention that both Sandman and Hellblazer were published under the DC imprint for several years before they moved on to Vertigo. It was almost 4 years for Sandman (which means it's got more issues under the DC imprint than under Vertigo), and over 5 years for Hellblazer.
Morrison's Doom Patrol was also completely published under the DC imprint, and Shade had about half of its issues published before Vertigo as well.
People seem to completely forget Vertigo didn't exist until 93, and that most of these comics started well before that.

Why?

What issue is this?

Foglio is quite underrated. His Plastic Man mini was pretty good too.

It's Phill Foglio's mini.

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Is he smiling after saying it's "magic"?
That son of a bitch.

casuals...*dismantles your magic system with ease*

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Does New 52 Animal Man count as magic? I remember digging that quite a bit when it was coming out.

More Horror than Magic.

But i thougt that was in average and not in the way of mental capacity, but physical, like if all marvela and dc humans were to battle to death , Dc humans would win. but i have not been reading the new ones.

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He's immune to magic, actually, Captain atom, Manhattan and Cosmic Superman are all immune.

That blue son of a bitch, that's the i bang fifteen year old's face. So long since i have seen him use it.

Why am I the only one as a of him being totally immune to magic? Read some fucking Captain Atom people.

readcomiconline.to/Comic/Doomsday-Clock/Issue-9?id=151016

That sounds like some dumb OP mary sue bullshit to me.

This shit is STILL going on? Hasn't it been like 2 years now? What's the hold up?

Because it's dumb for them to be immune to magic just because lol energy manipulation. Magic is not a physical thing, it's spiritual and mental.

Recommend me something, i can not read anything without someone recommending me to it.
>THE FACE

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The artist does one page a day, sometimes , and Geff's role is clearly not the noe of writer anymore.

>Superboy Prime is mentioned in this issue
Nice

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It was also just an idiotic decision from Berger to split Vertigo from DC despite arguably half of its most popular comics having years of roots there. Skilled writers still would have been there, writing good comics with other, sepwrate non-DC titles. Like an editiorial version of
>We demand to be taken seriously!
Otoh, then you have the Marvel Max problem where some of it's shit and they can't decide how much of 616 to use. Also, bringing redundantly edgy shit into Max when all but some of the visual content could be brought into 616 anyway.

What

:O ?!
>first time someone actually answers one of my messages, Now do something not autistic!.

>3 a.m in the morning reading this thing.
> My older brother comes out and looks at the cover and says to me after i show him , i am not watching porn.
"The justice league is getting ready for a sex party, see Doctor manhattan is prepared already"
>Now, i can get ready for work.

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I'd love to see you dump it sometime, some of those are serious WEW LADS

Is say old school 80s Captain Atom is the best to go with. Rebirth gave him a miniseries that's okay but tossed it aside, so is only recommend Fall and Rise to games of Nate who don't mind getting pissed off that D.C. wasted some good potential.

>people who weren't trolling

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>the secret to defeating Manhattan is to unleash Prime Time on him.
I'd read that at least for the pure shits and giggles

I haven't read this whole book and I don't mind getting spoilered. Why is Manhattan interested in Superman?

Why does DC love to ruin everything good it has?

Oh you need white people doing it too?
Why didn't you just say so?

And why not make it so that the world has turned on SUPERMAN over night?

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Manhattan>DC magic>marvel magic
Nothing changed though?

Mutants are a genetic anomaly that can be passed down uncontrollably and results in children with dangerous and unpredictable powers that are often deadly.

When other superhumans have kids, they will have the same powers as the parents and so these things can be predicted and controlled. Mutie kids are put on randomizer and can end up with literally anything. At least inhumans can control when they change and can chose to not get powers at all.

It's for eveyone's safety that muties are controlled, but they keep fighting registration and pushing people farther into extremes.

What is
>All 30 years of Hellblazer
>Zatanna
>Swamp Thing
>Dr. Fate
>All of Sandman
>The Demon
>majority of Shazam runs
DC magic is great because it's full of varied heroes. John Constantine is just a street hustler with occult knowledge but he's incredibly capable as a magic user. Meanwhile Swamp Thing is powerful as fuck and his stories are more existential than anything. And the two make a good combo together. Then you have Shazam whose stories are typically really fun and inventive.

Is it any coincidence that they were on a roll before Bendis came over? And I have a sneaking suspicion that all these big changes are a result of AT&T buying Warner Bros, but I'm not sure. Rebirth was genuinely great and experimental then it all went to shit literally overnight.

>Read The Books of Magic and Lucifer. Dr. Manhattan is right, magic IS scraps of creation.
I read Books of Magic and I don't have any idea what the fuck you're talking about. When did anyone say "magic is the scraps of creation" in that story and what is that phrase even supposed to mean?

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t faggot who claim that the "best Dr Strange story is better than any magic story from DC" even though he can't even name this story

Ladderfag, you are a moviefag casual who don't know shit about comics Strange or Marvel in general let alone DC

I think it's more that DC likes to make their magic stuff undefeatable most of the time. For some reason they like to slap on the Magic title to something and all of a sudden it hurts Superman.

That's not really something you see happening in Marvel as much. People use magic to make lightning all the time, but it's not like someone summoning a fireball and it actually hurts Superman simply because it's a magic fireball. The whole ignoring all invulnerabilities because X character does not have very specific "magic" defenses does not seem to be a thing in Marvel so people like to talk up about how DC magic is vastly superior.

Superman isn't weak to magic he's vulnerable to it. Why do people always forget that?

Superman is as vulnerable to magic as Hulk or Captain Atom are.

T. Tommy aka ladderbro

The art is utter shit though. Unreadable

>referencing sandman in a kids comics

Feels exactly like seeing Doom Patrol, Constantine, Swampy, Animal Man and Watchmen characters in Doomsday Clock

And even so those are limitations for the Reality Warper individual, like one reality warper can only control the reality of one specific universe or can't use his powers on specific places for some reason.

Reality Warpers are pretty much Omnipotent.

It entirely varies depending on the writer and the statement by Byrne was while he wasn't even writing superman and Captain marvel 1 hit KOed Superman explicitly because he was powered by magic in direct contradiction of what Byrne claimed.