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Was this Sonic cartoon that bad?
Jeremiah Howard
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Michael Murphy
nah
Daniel Sullivan
It was pretty average, I recall many afternoons watching Sonic, Aladdin, Darkwing, and Talespin.
Easton Reed
It had the best Robotnik, and was super cheesy. It was awful in an entertaining way, though. We also got stuff like this from it
Brandon Murphy
I remember way back everyone hated this show and loved SatAM, man did times change.
Henry Rivera
Jacob Sullivan
Pingas
Ethan Reyes
Well shit
Parker Russell
TOMORROW I'LL
Ryder Martinez
As a kid, you'll like Sat AM's surface deep attempts to be a "darker" ongoing serial and feel "this is mature story telling for me, so cool" Same reason there's people who fondly remember Sonic Adventure 2 plots or the like.
Conversely, Adventures has no such pretenses. It tries to be Loony Tunes with Sonic-- and Loony Tunes was ALREADY playing on every single channel at the time, so a kid is just going to feel it's not that good since they're already seeing the exact same thing done better at literally any channel at any other time of the week.
But then you grow up and you realize Sat AM's "maturity" doesn't really do much in its favor, while Adventure's goofy Loony Tunes humor feels right for a wisecracking cartoon hedgehog who fights a fat guy. But that's just my take on it and it's admittedly 1:45 am and I should be sleeping.
Gabriel Jenkins
Isn't bizzare that we live in a world where we can write "His most famous composition "In the Hall of the Mountain king" was also used in a remix with the "Sonic the Hedgehog-Title Theme" for the intro of The Adventures Of Sonic The Hedgehog " on Edvard Grieg's wikipedia page?
Hunter King
It was alright, but had its faults. It’s biggest fault was being made by DIC, a lot of the genuine talent and effort that went into this was seriously undermined by the cheap shitty animation. Twisted Tales of Felix is like this show’s style done correctly.
Robotnik is a fantastic character.
Brandon Powell
Tails is cute
Benjamin Gray
It's honestly kind of an impressive show for a single year run 65 episode DIC show from the early 90s, especially one that was a promotional videogame tie-in.
David Peterson
>Tailsonabench.jpg
Tyler Morales
It's good for a laugh, YTPs too.
Carter Morris
Boom > Adventures of > SatAM = OVA > X > Underground
Isaac Lopez
I'm glad that, no matter which side of the Adventures of/SatAM fence you sit on, both sides agree that Underground was trash
Cameron Turner
you're not gonna get away with this
Ryan Brown
It's certainly better than SatAM. I would even go so far as to say it's underrated.
Parker Nelson
90% of people agree with that nowadays, though, so I'd hardly call it underrated
Cooper Campbell
Was it ever confirmed that the assailant was a white guy?
Brandon Martinez
SatAM created some problems for the comics, including spotlight stealing echidnae, forgettable foes after the "Original" Robotnik's demise (Ian Droid, seriously?), hamfisting the Dreamcast games, ass-pulling aliens, aliens half-assing a genocide job twice, and Tommy Turtle.
Andrew Bennett
>Boom > Adventures of = OVA > SatAM > X > Underground
FTFY
Ayden Allen
Tbf it wasn't SatAm fault, rather than Archie's, crunching out low quality without bothering to quality check.
Robert Nguyen
I'm saying that 90% of people think that Adventures is better
You can't call something underrated when most people say that it's the superior version
Anybody who praises SatAM is immediately ganged up on, and all these discussions ever end up being is mindless talk about how good Adventures is
Nathaniel Wood
The show would have been perfect if they had just used Robotnik's actual game design and adopted it into the animation style.
Grayson Perry
It was charming and silly but not something I'd really recommend. Being produced by Dic was a blessing and a curse. Dic were shit but because of the low budget production and campy voice acting made for some God teir meme material. Still the best Sonic cartoon after Boom
Camden Lopez
People "gang up on" posters who say SatAM is a good show because
>It's always a broad statement with nothing to discuss; you never get praise for it with any substance.
>We've had endless discussions about why SatAM is a pretty cruddy cartoon with extremely precise breakdowns of everything from sound design to its approach for conflict.
>It was the popular opinion for twenty years.
When there's no discussion left to be had, people just say "no, you're wrong." Honestly I'd kill for someone to try and defend it and actually bring up some good points forward. Best I've ever seen in these threads is "it was different from other shows at the time."
Nathan Cox
It's great fot YTP material
Lucas Williams
I'LL HAVE TO GIVE MYSELF A PPPPPPPPPPPP
Logan Mitchell
Replace the image with a pic of Sonic underground and then this thread would make sense.
Camden Hernandez
I agree but I'll say that SatAM's edgy quality isn't worthless for only appealing to children; a truly edgy, "challenging" story would be too much for a kid so that show can have value as the kiddie version.
That said, I re-watched some of it out of curious nostalgia recently and I think it's actually pretty crummy. And while I found it intriguing as a kid, I LIKED AoStH more.
Josiah Watson
This version of Robotnik is a fucking star. Spot-on hammy nonsense; lots of fun.
Oliver Diaz
It was yet another show trying really extra hard to imitate Ren and Stimpy. There were a lot of those around that time
Logan Morris
Underground didn't want to be made, and it shows
Nathaniel Gonzalez
Yea while SatAm was trying to be ninja turtles so they were both trying to be something else.
Jace Hughes
The Ian Flynn era Archie comics did edgy Sanic better than SatAM until they lost 97% of the cast thanks to Penders
Kevin Wilson
It's better animated and far funnier than any North American cartoon made in the past 20 years.
It was average for the time. Robotnik was a legit great character, though.
Ayden Sanders
How so? It doesn't have any of the grotesquerie or deliberatley loathsome main characters. As posted earlier in the thread, it's more like Loony Tunes with some basic adventure shtick with a hero and villain.
Cooper Watson
I like both shows, but then again I was already 13 when both shows were out and never thought SatAM was dark or edgy. In fact, I thought the tone was more in line with something like Gummi Bears most of the time, only the villain was (a little bit) more serious. It was more of a colorful adventure show with cute characters. And it fit right alongside The Disney Afternoon stuff that was coming out around that time. When I discovered that there was an active fan base for the show online, I felt that group was reading into the show stuff that wasn't there. It's not even as dark as Mighty Max or Gargoyles.
AoStH felt more like 2 Stupid Dogs. Nothing to get engaged with beyond just wanting to watch some funny animation for 22 solid minutes. And it was great.
Ryan Flores
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goddamn I love this theme
Austin Hughes
I don't know if it did "edgy" better than SatAM, but the quality of writing in the comics was never near as good as it was in the series.
Ayden Brooks
SatAM feels like a non-Sonic show that had Sonic shoehorned in at the last second. If you removed Sonic from it, it'd feel like a more congruent show, the Princess Sally Show... ew.
Jeremiah Peterson
Remember that concept sketch where "Dr. Robotnic" was a giant troll-like creature?
Parker Nelson
PINGAS MONEY THIRD CLASS
NOW GO AND MOP UP THE CUM
Cooper Howard
As someone who doesn't like the Sonic franchise but likes the original two shows for what they are, this is definitely a good thing.
Cooper Jackson
Personally I’d say it’s better than it deserved to be, yet also seriously in need of a second season with fewer episodes to iron out its flaws. A lot of the gags are killed by the bad timing. What I love about it over Boom is it’s sincerity, I like silly comedy cartoons that don’t try to be clever by alluding to how silly they are.
Brandon Hall
Jace Green
Adam Rogers
I never liked SatAM, even as a kid.
For me, it was Adventures of Sonic The Hedgehog.
Though I admit that I liked Sonic X unironically, and I don't even play the Sonic games. So take my words with a grain of salt.
Oliver Thompson
I really enjoyed it, but the only episode I can remember was the one where Miles meets his parents.
Nathan Nguyen
They even wanted to introduce a new villain that would have made robotnik his bitch in season 3 who was pretty much a mountain troll or whatever
My biggest problem with SATam is that they didn't consult SEGA for anything they did and instead wanted to shape Sonic to their own image
SATam might be a decent cartoon but as a SONIC cartoon it was terrible, it even created a fanbase that shat on "Japanese" Sonic for Decades and wanted SEGA to make the games more like Archie Sonic
Mason Watson
At least Adventures felt like it was trying to adapt stuff from the games.
>Names of Zones are often mentioned
>Sonic warps through a Special Stage in one episode to take a shortcut
>The concept of Chaos Emeralds, both the big four-parter and a later one-shot episode where Robotnik gets a ring made of an Emerald
Brandon Bailey
Actually, SEGA of America did oversee production on both shows. In fact I even heard some of the guys from SoJ came over, so yeah, they greenlit anything back then. Just like the Sonic Movie today.
Brayden White
Both shows gave us some nice ladies.
Jason Martin
>We've had endless discussions about why SatAM is a pretty cruddy cartoon with extremely precise breakdowns of everything from sound design to its approach for conflict
Got any links to said breakdowns?
Connor Young
>Sega of America
I was talking about actual SEGA whom are 1000× more important and thus smarter to ask for permission
Christopher Gutierrez
I APPEAR TODAY TO MAKE A HISTORIC ANNOUNCEMENT.
SONIC THE HEDGEHOG IS A RRRAMBUNCTIOUS RRRAPSCALLION RRRODENT. HE URINATED ON MY LUCINDA.
Asher Clark
I like SatAM and I still consider it one of the only remotely decent pieces of media featuring those characters. If some 20-something who was barely even born when it was airing on television has a problem with that, they can go suck a Teletubby.
Evan White
But AoStH has very good animation for television standards and it obliterates anything being done today. It's only a notch or two lower than the stuff being done at Disney and Warner at the time. Maybe you're confusing the intentionally ugly character designs as bad animation. That happens a lot among folk who don't know what they're talking about.
Kevin Adams
I did say Sega of Japan people came along too. Besides SOA made Sonic 2 and really the US has always cared more about Sonic than Japan ever did.
Blake Allen
Wrong. Underground has the best characters overall in the Sonic franchise such as this HANDSOME MAN.
Jaxson Mitchell
The only thing that changed is the core Sonic audience. The folk who love SatAM grew up and don't post on forums or places like Yea Forums anymore. The average age of people who still identify as Sonic fans is somewhere in the mid to late 20s and likely were first exposed to Sonic through the (terrible) 3D games or Sonic X. The average SatAM fan is probably in their mid-30's by now. It's extremely unlikely many of those people would be posting here. And the ones that still retain enough enthusiasm (autism?) to still be discussing their favorite kids cartoon are fetish freaks who conflate their sexual desires with their childhood memories (aka furries).
Jackson Butler
I WANT TO HUG TAILS.
Nathan Sanders
Blake Jenkins
From what I've seen on Youtube and retrospective articles, people love to say that SatAM was a great show because it was 'dark and emotional' and all that. I find it strange how people gush over the show so much when it's fairly standard action/drama. Usually it's in juxtaposition to AoStH where they just dismiss it as dumb and then go back to say how 'deep' SatAM is, forgetting things like Dulcy, all the bad jokes that SatAM was just as guilty of doing, the fact that Robotnik is a very static villain without a good 'enforcer' type of lieutenant who goes out to deal with Sonic.
Leo Gray
I think the first season of SatAM largely holds up well but the second season really bends under the weight of its obvious budget cuts. The animation, backgrounds, music, tone, and story pacing all took a major hit. And for some reason it added a lot of cringey humor (like the stuff with Dulcy and Antoine for instance).
If SatAM was an above average cartoon in the first season (and I do think it was), it was barely even above the likes of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or Spider-Man by season 2.
Noah Taylor
>while shouting racial slurs
And I bet they missed the opportunity to call him a double nigger too.
Connor Murphy
?
William Cox
Deviantart still has many veteran SATam fans who engage in fanbase wars with Games/Japanese Sonic fans all the time from what I have seen
Theres also a lot of Archie Sonic fans , many of them pretty young
Juan Gray
>what is concept sketch in the first place
Oliver Cooper
>It was yet another show trying really extra hard to imitate Ren and Stimpy.
no?
Elijah Adams
>s probably in their mid-30's by now. It's extremely unlikely many of those people would be posting here.
comedy gold
Gabriel Perez
I've seen the crap posted on Deviantart, I'm fairly sure the folk you're referring to would fall squarely in the "furry" camp.
Leo Martinez
My biggest gripe with SatAM for me was the character of Sonic, who always came across as a bit of a jerk, or just a dumbass (ESPECIALLY in season 2).
It's not that I dislike jerk characters, some of my favourites are complete bastards. However it's the fact that Sonic is supposed to be this well-liked hero yet he just comes across as really douchey, which combined with 90's raditude makes him unbearable for me. The other characters aren't really much better, Sally is trying to be Leia to Sonic's Han but comes across more as petulant than feisty. Bunnie is interesting as a concept but is largely a 'just there' character, along with Tails, Antoine I actually get some enjoyment out of for whatever reason but is very much a shallow stereotype, and Rotor is your usual tech guy.
I just don't like any of the main cast, which is a shame because I can appreciate the effort that went into the show as a whole.
Brandon Parker
the Pilot episode was better, that was more true to the source material.
Tyler Watson
Technically, he's an even bigger dick in AoStH in the way he abuses Dr. Robotnik and his henchmen, but it's masked by the fact that he's always walking around spouting PSA moral gibberish at Tails and the audience at every given opportunity.
Dylan Murphy
I agree with you fully.
Parker King
>makes him unbearable for me
That's interesting because I find modern Sonic (the version in the games from 1998 and on) to be completely unbearable in that he seems to be completely lacking any discernible personality. Such a nothing character. I feel that way about the entire franchise now, but judging by how popular it still seems to be with kids I guess tastes vary.
Christian Edwards
>it still seems to be with kids
It isn't really. Even Crash Bandicoot's games sell better. The IP has been slowly dying for well over a decade. Sonic Mania got a lot of hype, though.
Isaac Rodriguez
I disagree.
Robotnik is a bad man in AoStH, pure and simple, he's literally a-okay with stealing candy from babies, and abusing his own henchmen to a sadistic degree (who could forget the opening to Robotnikland?). As such he's very much deserving of getting his ass kicked by Sonic, who is generally easy-going and laid back, just wanting to chill out and eat chili dogs.
The problem with SatAM Sonic is that he is a jerk to his so-called allies, Antoine for instance, may be an arrogant berk, but he's still supposed to be a member of the resistance yet Sonic has no qualms with putting him down at any opportunity. He's also very obstinate with Sally which somewhat undermines her as a leader as well as making Sonic look doubly bad if his hunch is wrong.
Back to AoStH Sonic, he can be a dick at times, like with Captain Rescue, but that's an instance where he doesn't want the old man to get hurt doing something that's beyond his scope. Most of the time though he's just being an older brother to Tails, whom he genuinely cares about in a very honest and sweet way which has a nice juxtaposition to the radicool attitude he has.
Really, you can't watch the end of 'Full Tilt Tails' or 'Tail's New Home' and tell me that Sonic in AoStH isn't a really swell guy.
Levi Clark
Keep in mind, AoStH was aimed at VERY young kids and there had to be a moral at the end of every cartoon. Sonic's personality isn't much different from the other show, he's just portrayed as being nicer since the show is trying to teach good morals to the kids watching at home. Which is cute and all in a Bert 'n Ernie kind of way, but it doesn't make for a very engaging character. AoStH is fun, but it's all the Robotnik show if I'm being honest.
Luke Anderson
Not really. It's about the same level of referencing the games as the show we did get. Robotnik using the wrecking ball is peanuts compared to the episode where they adapted Sonic Spinball.
Hunter Wilson
Again I disagree, Sonic can still be impatient and tempestuous, it's just that it's usually directed at Robotnik or some obstinate character. As for being for very young kids, I think the whole episode with Katella says they did a poor job at that if that was the intent (which reading the show's bible and speaking to a few writers I'd say it was aimed at the preteen market). Zany and bright colours =/= very young kids, it's a comedy show.
As for the PSAs, those were added by either Robby London or Kent Butterworth, both worked on He-Man and liked the concept of the PSA.
Ian Fisher
Antoine is a character meant for Americans who have very outdated stereotypes of French people
If you aren't American you wouldn't understand why he gets so much shit
Same with all the Anti Napoleon stuff that only Anglos relate to, everyone else respects him
Benjamin Jackson
>everyone else respects him
Even in Spain?
Jeremiah Peterson
Better than any of the others.
'Cept Boom.
Mason Rodriguez
lol you should read the Fleetway comics.
Jaxon Wright
Funnily enough, I don't mind it there, as I said I don't mind bastard characters in general but there is something about SatAM Sonic that really rubs me the wrong way.
Zachary Cooper
Better than any of the adaptations Japan put out.
Yes, even le epic hat on fire ova
Brandon Harris
Even the Russians respect him compared to the Anglos, at least they portray him as competent
The whole idea of him being a manlet with anger issues Is retarded to anyone who knows his history , then again Anglos legit believe that Britain not Prussia won Waterloo so England clearly brainwashed the entire Anglosphere with their revisionism
Landon Howard
How do we revive Long John Baldry?
Connor Clark
You really are salty aren't you?
Noah Flores
It may be because he's an obnoxious show boater that puts everyone in danger but nobody makes notice of it 'in-universe' (outside of some slight eye rolling by Sally.) In fact he's regularly applauded for his behavior. He's like a furry version of Ethan from CTRL+ALT+DEL.
Carson Lewis
Yeah
I really need to rewatch the annotated series
Austin Taylor
>Sonic, please be careful
>SHUT THE FUCK UP, TAILS
Xavier Torres
We'll have to agree to disagree here. I have fun watching the cartoon for nostalgic kicks, but the show is clearly aimed at very small children.
Easton Cruz
Jose Perry
The theme song had great animation but the show was often off model (Not intentionally) a lot, there weren't many in between frames and often a lot of mis colours
Ayden Brown
> there weren't many in between frames
The animation is a lot more fluid than you might think, actually. It varies from episode to episode, but generally the production quality was quite good. Mis-coloration was hardly an issue as well.
Thomas Davis
It seemed to become the 'better' show in Yea Forums's mind as soon as it started to produce more and more memes.
James Hughes
I wouldn't use Yea Forums as a barometer for anything. Like most of Yea Forums, most of its users suffer from a variety of actual mental disabilities.
Jack Bennett
Meme is just another word for 'memorable/quotable moment'.
Matthew Morales
He could play with her bongos and then they could duet.
Wyatt King
Imagine if they had a daughter, and she got her butt from her dad.
Joseph Gray
Poor Omelette.
Julian Collins
Her mom's butt isn't too bad either.
What if Omelette is just hiding a fat ass under that dress?
Jacob Taylor
Xavier Johnson
>Sonic does a run-by on Omelette to upskirt her
>Omelette is shown to have DAT ASS, leaving Sonic stunned in shock and lust
>She's merely angry, as she's very sensitive about her ass
Jacob Baker
It might be because of YTPs, but I consider Robotnik to be the main character of AoSTH. He's easily the most entertaining incarnation of Robotnik/Eggman.
Bentley Anderson
If they had a son, would he have an enormous PINGAS?
Nathaniel Green
Between Baldry's voice and Knight's animating, you can tell they had a lot of fun with his character.
James Cox
Sonic upskirting women is something that's sorely missing from the series.
Colton Morris
Owen Williams
What if they had a daughter and she had a big futa pingas?
Justin Brown
do not click this
Levi Harris
Could be worse.
It's shit but it's not as bad as I thought
Nicholas Ramirez
As a kid I enjoyed adventures of sonic the hedgehog more than SatAM.
Joseph Collins
Katella booty tends to be overlooked in favor of her pack in the rack.
Liam Powell
When I entered the internet in 2002, people were praising SonicSatAM
Hunter Ortiz
Sebastian Jones
>AoStH was aimed at VERY young kids
I was in third grade when it aired and I was obsessed to this show to the point I taped them all and knew all dialogue in the back of my mind. It was the perfect show for little kids
Ian King
Memorable doesn't mean good.
Isaac Carter
True, but I'd take it over boring/competent.
Jordan Reed
William Diaz
Parker Brooks
Meh. I'm immune to this kind of thing. Anything made after 1994 (that isn't inspired from the classic style) looks like rancid trash to me.
Brandon Johnson
Of all of Robotnik's incarnations over the years, AoStH's is unironically my favorite. Probably one of my favorite cartoon villains too. I love pretty much everything about this character: his voice, his mannerisms, his vocabulary, the way he's animated... it just all seems to click just right for me.
And that's not nostalgia speaking, I didn't even watch the cartoon when I was a kid.
>(which reading the show's bible and speaking to a few writers I'd say it was aimed at the preteen market)
I'm interested, when did you get to meet the show's team? At a convention or something? Would you mind sharing what you guys talked about?
Also, I'd be really interested in reading the bible too if you got a link to it.
Nolan Turner
I spoke with a bunch of people who worked on the show, from what I can tell they enjoyed doing it. Though Milton Knight wished they would expand on Robotnik’s character more, he also really liked Tails.
Show’s bible is here
ledastudios.rubberslug.com
Jaxon Cruz
Yes. A persons answer to which sonic cartoon they prefer is literally a test for retardation.
Parker Clark
Cool! Yeah, it's clear whoever worked on the writing and the animation probably had a blast, at the very least when working on Robotnik
>Though Milton Knight wished they would expand on Robotnik’s character more
Boy, so would I
Anyway, thanks for the link man, I know what I'm reading tonight!
Brayden Jackson
>Bible uses the Kintobor origin for Robotnik
Glad that didn't carry over to the final version.
Nathan Smith
Ian Thomas
100 bucks say if they find out the assailants werent white, we'll never hear of this again.
Isaiah Young
Has any Sonic cartoon genuinely good?
Brody Green
Its the best sonic cartoon period
Adrian Moore
The mid-90s japanese OVA
Aaron Robinson
Angel Anderson
I watched this pretty often as a kid, I think my mom got it at hollywood video and then burned it to a disc. I remember it had the breastfeeding scene and everything. The look a like song and how cool metal was and Sonic's undetermined accent are all still in my memory.
Adrian Bennett
This thread reminded me that I bought this series instead of the SatAM one on DVD because some retard just put Sonic cartoon DVD series on ebay and had both shows in the images and I thought he meant both but it was just this one. When I asked him for a refund he neferreprimanded me and made me ask about my own perostoided macosis. I just decider sreaming was worth it. Tails was the blony chartreir woerh a damn in thid sderies.
Jaxon Ramirez
I think you’re drunk
Anthony Thomas
Bet it was the same guy who savagely attacked Jussie Smollett
yr.media
>this is MAGA country
read: this is Trump AmeriKKKa
Joseph Russell
Well, it’s probably going to be better than the movie.
Christopher Ramirez
Yeah, except they found the assailant, found out that he had 7 previous attacks, and is actually a real person.
Maybe you're just a cynical asshole.
William Gutierrez
>Antoine is a character meant for Americans who have very outdated stereotypes of French people
it's funny because Satam is very inspired by French resistance during WW2.
Noah Thomas
try english
Adrian Morales
Thats one wicked wedgie
Tyler Murphy
>13 in 1993
You're way older than most of Yea Forums these days, I.e. zoomers who were 13 in 2013.
Kevin Morgan
But the stereotype comes from WWII, the last big war France had. If anything that’s a brand new stereotype.
Julian Barnes
You mean fighting each other as much as the Germans?
James Cruz
Shut up
Robert Lee
They had like three different orgins and story bibles they were juggling for Sonic at the time. There's a wonderful amount of Suits Overthinking Video Games in them, as they have to explain EVERY facet of DEH LORE because otherwise it Won't Make Sense
>oh shit we gotta explain why he's fast
>oh shit we gotta explain why robotnik is fat and evil
>oh shit we gotta explain why he's blue
>oh shit we gotta explain why he wears shoes
Lincoln Wright
Good find user, thanks
Alexander Wood
We need an explanation for dat Robotnik ass
Joseph Hughes
>genuinely good
Nothing Sonic related is genuinely good. I love it anyway.
Ryder Hill
I have some Satam episodes on recorded VHS.
Ethan Smith
...
Cameron Wood
>Making shit up
There's literally no evidence of Milton Knight being attacked aside from his own mouth.
Austin Roberts
I do, too. I recorded them off the USA Network with horrible, nonsensical edits.
Angel Thomas
The OVA is, but if you're talking about series the Boom show is generally considered the best
Julian Baker
penders unintentionally saved us from his shitty OCs. the only thing that he did wrong was assume that sega and/or archie was actually going to pay him for his fanfic characters.
Jaxson Smith
>SatAM feels like a non-Sonic show that had Sonic shoehorned in at the last second
welcome to why people hate the side characters in sonic.
Jace Martinez
God, hell if I know where in the archives they are, it's been going on for years now in various threads. Some cliffnotes that come to mind about the problems with the show are
>the main cast is barely even utilized outside of Sonic and Sally, and this becomes more pronounced in season 2
>every single problem is solved with brute force and uncreative deus ex machina, Sonic will always pull more rings out of his ass (and he LITERALLY pulls two rings out of his ass to resolve the finale)
>sound design is absolutely dreadful, the aesthetic is dark and moody most of the time but there's rarely any ambient or environmental noise for a sense of place or activity, long stretches of silence or stock ass music
>story driven show that doesn't progress its narrative, actually recycles plots despite only having 26 episodes (final episode of s1 and first episode of s2 are the EXACT same template of new guy who Sally is making goo goo eyes at being a stealth traitor with understandable motives)
etc.
Sebastian Reyes
Yes
Hudson Hughes
As a kid I used to think Tails was a girl. Maybe because of the Latin America dub
Gavin Butler
No, that just happened to coincide with easy accessibility with Youtube, at which point realized SatAM wasn't as good as they remembered/were told.
Camden Jackson
Don't worry, I thought Knuckles in the games was a girl because of the pink-red they used for the sprites and the shape of his eye on the &Knuckles box.
Anthony Cooper
>Every single Sonic cartoon has good lackeys, and this carries over to the point that the games give Eggman lackeys in the same vein.
>The only good supporting cast ever introduced were Bunnie and Sticks, and both were underutilized and poorly developed in both shows and comics.
Feels bad.
Alexander Roberts
The classics are still good
Jonathan Ross
That art-style makes every one of them look perfect as (old) Powerpuff Girl villains.
Brandon Lewis
Finally, a connoisseur among these heathens.
Logan Baker
Underground is better than sonic x
Kayden Murphy
Eli Phillips
>AoStH is fun, but it's all the Robotnik show if I'm being honest.
And this is a problem?
Jonathan Roberts
She has tight pants.
Caleb Johnson
Jaxon Powell
Voila! Robotnik Lagoon Harpoon!
Parker Hill
Logan White
Xavier Wood
Straight off a cliff.
Ryan Gutierrez
This style is fucking fantastic.
Bartleby in Tamers' episodes is unironically a great character. Like, he's an "asshole rich guy" done perfectly.
David Long
I know I should be hearing Mean Bean Machine music, but all I can hear is this when looking at this image.
Nathan Roberts
Henry Bailey
Gabriel Sullivan
Elijah Turner
Cameron Hill
Leo Butler
Ryder Morales
Boom is really fucking good if you don't care about serious stories, I think it has the best comedy writing of any Sonic product
Nolan Wood
Joshua Green
MILES PROWER IS NOT MY SON
Jacob White
HE'S JUST A FOX
WHOS CLAIMS THAT I AM THE ONE
Tyler Price
Christian Robinson
>It was yet another show trying really extra hard to imitate Ren and Stimpy.
people like you need their skulls caved in
Benjamin Brown
This is spot on. It's basically all about realizing that, while SatAM had much more ambition and was higher concept, it ultimately was pretty weak in its execution; it was ultimately just another Saturday morning cartoon shat out by writers looking for paychecks. AoStH, while aiming much lower, actually nails its target, perfectly. Watching the interviews with the storyboard artists and writers, you get the feeling the staff was a bunch of dudes who probably had every Texas Avery short committed to memory.
It didn't help that nostalgia critic vomited out his awful comparison review of the two and completely illustrated just how badly he fell for the trap of concept vs. execution, and e-celeb opinions always end up being the popular ones, since they don't actually require you to actually be a fan or think about anything.
Thomas White
yeah the more I look at the show now the more solid/passable animation I see. some of it is really awkward but there's a decent amount of good moments outside of the TMS-credited episodes
Wyatt Peterson
You got to wake the Spaniards up from their mid-day naps to find out what they think.
Elijah Brooks
Still better than modern Sonic, not counting Boom Sonic, because his thing was being lazy rather than 'attitude'.
Owen Scott
Sonic The Comic was the better adaptation. Archiefags can't change my mind.
Connor Young
Naugus was already in the show though
One episode to be fair but still
Kevin Cox
>Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog
Meh...it's the SongeBob and Ren and Stimpy fan's Sonic.
>Sonic the Hedgehog/SatAM
DAAAAAMN, Son. Some actual EFFORT...Okay. But can you improve the design a little, maybe?
>SatAM season 2: got you senpai.
Sweeeeeet.
>Sonic Underground
-HURK!- Oh God, please, no. I mean, the idea of the class structure and some of the backgrounds are pretty cool...But everything else, man...EVERYTHING ELSE! -HURK- OH, geeze *cough-hack* Ughhh~
>Sonic the Hedgehog OVA
Uhhhhh...okay, Japan, what are you doing?
>Sonic X
Uhhh, JaPAN...STOP.
>Sonic X season 2: we REAL anime now, boi
JA-PAN! STAHP!!
>Sonic Boom
Sooooo...it's Sonic...for people who can't decide whether they want to watch an Episode of Robot Chicken or Animaniacs... Yeah, okay.