The first five episodes are so good. Why is the rest of the show so terrible?

>probably because they wanted to push more toys.

I wish there were the case. I had all the toys and the episodes that featured characters from the toyline were something to look forward to. But most episodes focused more on generic gangsters or evil game show hosts or April's lame co-workers and other shit like that.

Nah, it was more of a 5-episode miniseries. They had continuity but they were definitely still self-contained stories.

I liked Lotus. A shame she has only two episodes and the second one is kinda shit.
The "Big" trilogy was fine too.

Because Toei Animation used their A team, which the usually used for just the openings when they did American shows. Then they used their B team of animators for the next couple seasons.

That explains the animation quality but why is the tone, pacing, and quality of storytelling so much worse after the initial 5?

The tone and pacing changed because they focused on comedy over action, and the series' plots settled into a formula, which most episodes followed. The ones people remember most are the ones that stepped away from the formula, in a good way or a bad way.

ironic considering the first five are generally funnier than most of the later ones, even if they don't try nearly as hard to be funnier. the humor came off far more naturally through the dialogue in the first couple where the later ones were just corny.

What about the CGI movie?

Toei only did the first five episodes as far as I know. The rest went to cheaper Korean/Chinese/Japanese/Taiwanese/Filipino/Ireland studios.

I completely disagree but okay.

>No Image comic run nor BodyCount mini series
It may go to insane leaps, but the character writing makes sense from time to time, excluding the one time one of the turtles call Splinter “Sphincter”

You think the recent show is better than the CG one that was on a few years ago? That's the worst opinion I've ever heard. But then again, you'll find people on Yea Forums who will defend literally anything.

2012 has the worst April and obsession with status quo.
Later seasons sucked too and the CG animation is already an outdated eyesore. I can definitely see where he's coming from with that opinion.

But the new one has much worse animation and an even worse April.

2012 reminds me of Transformers Prime, where a lot of it is good technically speaking and its not bad, but its just painfully dull and not worth rewatching.

I'll never understand those who judge 2012 so poorly.

people calling a bad thing, bad? yeah, bro, who even knows?

I don't see many people talking about that one. I watched the movie again after several years, and still liked it. The fight between Raph and Leo is still awesome.

Though when it comes to the movies, the 1990 film is my favorite.

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Worse animation? Sorry man I have to disagree. Maybe if you prefer 2012s art style I can understand but Rise definitely has the upper hand in the action and animation.
As for April, I'm not a big fan of Rises design for April but at least she doesn't act like a bitch to the turtles.
2012 April always strung along Donnie and Casey making them both think she held any romantic interest for either of them. Not only that but they decided to make her a special snowflake by giving her both psychic powers and ninja abilities. Why not just the psychic powers and leave it at that?

It had a lot of good things going for it but after Season 2 it got lame. Nick didn't know how to balance it as a episodic show with story elements like 2003 did.

>worse animation
Yeah no. Rise has probably the best animation out of any of the animated series or even the CGI movies. And that's saying something when I'd prefer some no-name Australian studio over Toei or ILM.

>and an even worse April.
You'e not terribly wrong as her focus episodes are poorly written, but she barely shows up as it is.

Rise's animation is as cheap as cheap gets. It's got style but it looks like it was made for 11 dollars and 54 cents.

I liked 2012. I generally hate all cartoons made after 2003 and thought it was all right. When Nickelodeon first bought the TMNT property, I was 100% sure they were going to churn out a shitty, poorly animated cartoon with ran-dumb humor aimed at the ADD-riddled phone 'n tablet crowd.. But instead they made a pretty decent show that had actual effort put into it. Despite the fact that it was CG, it felt like a show from a bygone era in a lot of ways.

On the other hand, Rise of the TMNT is exactly the kind of show I originally expected out of Nick in the first place.

I remember those being the off episodes.

Normally it was Shredder and Krang hatch some scheme to steal power from something to recharge the technodrome. Turtles find out about it and stop it sending Shredder and Bebop/Rocksteady escaping.
Other than that they had totally random episode meant to introcude some new figure character that will never appear again. Then random gangster does something wacky and Vernon and Verne are captured, or Irma is involved somehow and needs rescuing.

It wasn't just the animation. They definitely shifted everything over to wacky pizza hijinks after the second season.

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The toy introductions were the rare ones. You had like 3-4 of those per season most of the time. The real breakdown is more like

>60% Krang discovers some new invention or lab has a super power generating thing and sends Shredder to go get it and charge up the technodrome
>20% Random gangster does a thing, and Irma, Vernon or Verne are captured, the turtles have to go rescue them
>15% Shredder and Krang accidentally stumble upon some new alien robot or wonder weapon and use it against the turtles only for it to blow up in their faces
>5% Totally new action figure guy has an intro episode all about them, they effortlessly beat up Shredder then never appear again for the rest of the series

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Put the 2007 CGI movie between TMNT 2 and 2012 series, and this is pretty accurate. There's a big power gap between Rise of the TMNT and TMNT 3 though.

>The first five episodes are so good. Why is the rest of the show so terrible?

You could say the same thing about Thundercats 2011. The pilot was amazing and then they got different writers and the quality went rapidly downhill from there.

Shit nostalgiafag list

Put Rise at the top

It did an amazing job balancing the silly 80s cartoon style with the more serious elements of other incarnations. For the first season or two. After that, it started channeling the 80s cartoon a bit too much for its own good.

2007 CGI movie was surprisingly good.

Also, TMNT 3 should not be above Michael Bay films. I know those films weren't good, but TMNT 3 was an abortion just barely better than Next Mutation.

Raph's soliloquy at the end of the first one and the second movie basically being a long cartoon love letter alone places the series at mid tier for the franchise. They aren't bad at all and a lot of the hatred for it comes from Bay producing.

It's been decades since I saw it but I really don't remember TMNT 3 being that much worse than Secret of the Ooze.

Sure, 3 was stupid but it was nowhere near as infantile and instantly dated as TMNT 2.

Thicc