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>Bleeding Cool actually puts it forth the reason Quesada and Cebulski are doing the panel is, in essence, to save Marvel Comics, as sales have been dwindling for years and they need to convince Disney that publishing Marvel comic books - even though they are losing money - is still a good idea because it is the inspiration for markets that do make money, such as Kevin Feige's insanely popular MCU.
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About time.
>pedobooknews
Unlike DC Based Marvel has massively successful movies and TV shows to fall back on
So I have enough for a Switch, but I'm about 10$ short to get a 60$ title. Should I get some cheap/small games to tide me over or should I have just a bit more cash?
>cosmicbooknews
Pathetic
Good riddance, Marvel today has been riddled with SJW who can't capture the charm of what made the original comics so good. Not to mention with so many dangling plots going everywhere and nowhere, I'd say its about time to pull the plug don't you think? Besides, it seems Yea Forums and Yea Forums have already claimed capeshit as their own so their really nothing that can be done to take it back.
Suck my 4skin, faggot.
bleedingcool.com
Gibs it back, pls.
I'm really tired of this faggot being shilled here. It's just made up bullshit by some easily triggered user. Disney wouldn't shut down the comics because they're basically a farm for ideas and characters for their literal billion dollar multi-media empire.
target.com
Target is having a sale on the major Switch titles, my nigga. Mario Odyssey and BotW are masterpieces.
Die
They're doing it because they know what's happening to DC, and they're trying to avoid the same fate...but can they? The Frog and The Sad Man know no bounds...
fucking finally
Rich is really flying off the handle with these. I mean it's typical he's proven half-right once and then he can think he can speculate anything.
>baby triggered that nobody likes his faggy website
No one will ever fuck you, incel.
How can DC and Marvel be publishing at a lose when companies like Dark Horse or Aftershock exist?
Blackpill: Wojak and Pepe are the Calarts of Yea Forums.
I already paid your mom $5 to blow me during lunch.
>Sales have been dwindling for years and they need to convince Disney that publishing Marvel comic books - even though they are losing money - is still a good idea
Aren't they literally publishing more comics right now while everyone including DC is cutting back a little because they know the market is tighter? Fuck, they beat DC in December but only by publishing 40% more books:
newsarama.com
If they're fucking desperate to save their publishing business, why are they putting out so much garbage and completely dilluting their sales line-wide. It's like they know the publishing side is going out so they're going for a last minute cash grab with all the new #1s and series.
Good.
>Disney wouldn't shut down the comics because they're basically a farm for ideas and characters for their literal billion dollar multi-media empire.
How many decades has it been since the last time marvelcucks had a good idea or character?
>when companies like Dark Horse
Which survives on a multitude of licensed 20th Century Fox properties (which will soon belong to Disney)
>How many decades has it been since the last time marvelcucks had a good idea or character?
When was Jim Shooter still in charge
what the fuck does that matter when they literally launched a successful show about spider-gwen, squirrel girl and patriot last year?
This is what you deserve you liberal faggots
Well deserved, Mangas are much better because they have fanservice.
No shit, the shut down of Marvel comics would be a tragedy. It would effectively kill the industry.
That's not a pill, that's a given. Why do you think nearly every board is trying to shill rage comics as of late. Everyone's a need of something new to spam to oblivion but all we have had so far are dum ol' wojak edits. Wojaks and Pepes have gone down in value on the meme market.
>TV shows
Tv show, singular.
The rest got cancelled.
Are they actually losing money? Can someone break down the financials?
>fight for the survival of comics
Bitch Marvel isnt the whole of comics, comics is a fucking art form, it is a medium, and it'd be better off with Marvel dead so other shit can actually get attention.
>Literally launched a successful show about spider-gwen, squirrel girl and patriot last year?
You mean Marvel Rising? The DC Super Hero Girls wannabe? That shit was DOA, user.
Agents of Shield or bust. The status quo is going to obviously change once disney release their new streaming service.
Richard Rider is a boring comic character eat shit faggot
>Disney wouldn't shut down the comics because they're basically a farm for ideas and characters for their literal billion dollar multi-media empire.
They have 70 years of material to work with, user.
They've managed to make franchises out of singular short stories, it doesnt fucking matter what happens to the comics now, they have centuries worth of material with how they make films.
Marvel comics have been terrible for a while
>M-my fountain of ideas
Yeah that can't sell for shit.
And because all film and television require comics to draw ideas from. Because the MCU requires its comic counterpart in order to be a raving success. The success of the MCU proves that comics are not needed in any way. Movies/games/television has reached a vastly wider audience and has made more paying fans of these characters than comics have ever done.
Nothing last. It wouldn't be shocking if Marvel Comics was next on the chopping block.
Lmao this is literally fanfic. Don’t we get this article every few months?
Now we know why Bendis jumped ship
Sounds like more Bleeding Cuck sensationalism for click bait.
>The success of the MCU proves that comics are not needed in any way
Name a single original superhero they've introduced in the 10+ years they've been around.
>DC + every other comics publisher: Market's getting tight, better cut back a little.
>Marvel: Market's getting tight, better release more comics to make up sales.
>Marvel: WTF?! We're losing money and Disney might shut us down!
Based Shogun having Marvel commit seppuku.
What if they relocated Marvel Comics to Japan?
I hope Marvel gets shut down, because thats the best thing that could happen to Marvel and Comics as a whole.
You want Marvel stories, just release original graphic novels, fcommission people to do it.
And with Marvel out of the way, the industry will have to adapt or die, and if it dies again, it'll have to rebuild into something better and modernized beyond the big two.
>retard still thinks the shows are cancelled and not just on hold until Disney can move the to Hulu
Sad stupid DKek
Are the losing money though? Is there proof of this? Genuinely curious
I wonder sometimes what its like to get a sexual thrill from being a company wars faggot.
The shows are cancelled and arent getting picked back up for at the least two years, and even if they do, Iron Fist? Gone. Jessica Jones? Gone. Punisher? Gone. Defenders? Gone. Luke Cage and Daredevil are the only possibilities there.
>only alive because you need the legacy material for references
THE ACTUAL STATE OF COMICS! LMAO
AHAHAHAH MARVEL FUCKING GOING UNDER AHAHAHAH
They kept "Diverse" books for years knowing nobody was buying them and now they don't have any idea of what was the problem. They sold more than double before Diversity
I think Joe Q is scared he's about to lose his job to IDW.
Despite the fact that the industry might shrink, Marvel getting shut down would be for the better. Their practices are harmful and considering the quality of comics they produce, it's not worth it.
It would also scare people so they would put more effort into it while it would also scare hacks ya authors and shit from trying comics.
When did Annihilation come out?
Best Case: They just do one last event where the heroes save the day, then they leave it in a state that's pretty much the status quo, but in a happy tone.
Worst Case: THE DEATH OF 616, a 52-issue total event that spans between like 12 main issues, with the rest being a contrived universe between multiple hero titles, and outdoing Ultimatum where the only heroes left are the legacy kids with an ending in the vein of Mass Effect 3.
>a successful show about spider-gwen, squirrel girl and patriot last year?
user...
>now they don't have any idea of what was the problem.
They knew no one was buying their retarded "diverse woke slayyyy" SJW comics.
They just didn't consider it a problem, because they were only interested in pushing propaganda.
the levels of delusion in this article are off the charts
There was also the word about Marvel nuking the current continuity.
IDW a shit but those fucks at Marvel need a culling.
You mean to tell me you somehow believe that a) the already created material isn't enough to make a thousand more movies so they can axe Marvel comics with no worries, and that b) if they created a new character they couldn't do it better than the fags at marvel comics?
Do you think the success of the films is somehow tied to the approval of the three people who still buy comics? Or do you think instead the fucking billions they make overseas alone by people who don't even speak English and who've never even held a marvel comic in their hands carries more weight?
Only if they make a Peni x Gwen yuri manga.
>THE ACTUAL STATE OF COMICS! LMAO
Marvel, not comics as a whole
So if IDW has the rights can we get crossovers with Transformers, Rom, or even DC since they'll be dealing with IDW? (similar how WB makes the Marvel Lego games).
>Luke Cage and Daredevil are the only possibilities there.
those are gone too!
just answer my question with a character name
spoilers: phil coulson isn't a superhero
>Remembers how no one in 2010 believed DC would reboot again
I predicted this a while ago. They are gonna kill Marvel Comics as an excuse to clean house, and then relaunch it.
This was a big rumor a year ago:
thekingdominsider.com
Those rumors popped up a few days ago, which is why I think this is legit.
They know the leadership at Marvel is cancer and is a money sink and a piss poor idea farm.
The current generation of career comic writers are terrible, and there is a wealth of decent scifi etc. writers in Hollywood that will work for peanuts and aren't working.
Marvel is gonna be canceled, but it's just to lance the boil of shitbag hipster commies that run it and turn it into a realistic venture. They know it's not print media because Japanese manga is selling better than ever.
This is good news, Marvel will be good again and if you want the kind of content they had I'm sure the former employees will make something you might like.
Didn't they also talk about reviving the Ult.verse, r was that already done?
>Rom
fuck let Disney buy ROM outright from Parker Brothers or whoever currently holds him
And nothing of value was lost.
Defintely possible. TF has crossovered with the Avengers in the IDW line while TF has also crossovered with several other franchises in one-off continuities.
>the leadership at Marvel is cancer
How are they going to fire Ike the Kike who was directly responsible for that, he's the second largest shareholder
>Do you think the success of the films is somehow tied to the approval of the three people who still buy comics?
Fucking this.
The reason the movies are so successful is because they quite literally have nothing in common with the comics, except for the basic super powers of the characters.
Do it.
What they should do is outsource the art to Asia. They draw faster, better, and work for less than a 4th of the pay.
Good riddance.
Again?
are you dumb. Marvel or DC shutting down would kill the industry
BULLSHIT
That would obviously be the best case scenario, but I think you're being too optimistic.
Looking at what they did to Conan, no. Or Miracle Man. Fuck no. Keep Marvel away, keep Marvel in the grave.
Are you fucking retarded?
Marvel and DC are the cancerous tumors that are holding the industry back in its current archaic fucked up emaciated form. Let it all die, so it can be replaced by something new and better.
Or maybe they should just fucking make good books. Are you seriously telling me they are going to keep Marvel on life support just for the movies?
No it wouldn't, retard. Marvel shutting down would save the industry.
>J-just answer the question
So, no argument then? kbye
Is there a source on the life support thing?
Just hack it and pirate to your heart's content.
comicsbeat.com
could it work or too late?
So what, the industry is shit.
I'll stick with my based webcomics, thanks.
If you want to get lectured about white male privilege, you can just head to tumblr instead of reading nuMarvel comics.
FUCKING DO IT
All Marvel Comics is now is a SJW propaganda machine made to force Carol down your throat. Kill it
TWD fans ain't gonna be buying enough comics on their own to carry the industry.
>Marvel repeatedly tries to crash the industry
>ends up crashing themselves
Couldn't have happened to a nicer group.
>Disney Shutting Down Marvel Comics
Reminder that when the news article has a question mark in the title, the answer is usually "No."
Marvel and DC are the industry.
I like indy comics, too, but realistically without the LCS and the draw of superheroes...most of the indie companies are dead within 3 years
Pfff, settle down Gaylo Ren
The source is that if Marvel wasnt owned by a fucking megacorporate juggernaut with an infinite wellspring of money deep enough to essentially own the government and bend laws to its will, it would have went into bankruptcy and died like 8 years ago.
You know.
Like it almost did in the 90s before they sold all their shit to Sony and Fox.
I[m going to miss you Shulky
>Marvel
>good books
Now that's a good joke
GET WOKE
GO BROKE
But now? Are they losing money?
So dont fucking sell comics in retarded niche stores, sell them in book stores, sell them at wal-mart, news stands, push digital harder than ever.
Fuck the LCS system, its just a tumor.
out with the old whiny bitch fans, in with the new ones.
Every good game on switch is on wiiu. Buy that for $100
Maybe American comics. European, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc will blog on just fine.
I want to put into perspective that back in the 80s and 90s selling even slightly below 100k units of a single comic was grounds for outright cancellation for Marvel.
I want to highlight that a majority of their books for the past decade have sold like 50k units max, only a few rise above that, and even fewer actually go beyond 100k.
I'm mainly gonna buy a Switch for Pokemon and Ultimate Alliance .
Get Stardew Valley
This thread pops up every three months or so, what's the point?
Besides, Rich never manages to actually leak anything from Marvel, he's always spoonfed headlines from other sites that rarely happen anyway or just makes shit up. His only real insider is at DC and even that isn't a safe bet.
Probably wouldn’t get to keep the copyright indefinitely like in America.
Changes in operating cost (if any) or the cost makes this comparison rather iffy
There should be stats somewhere, right? Investor reports and stuff. Is there anywhere I can find em?
There better be Secret War-tier endings, those were honestly the best
>Cyclops solves racism and finally enacts Xavier's dreams
>Punisher stops war and crime
>Deadpool finally dies and has a family to call his own
>Scott Lang gets laid
>All EMT, First Responders, and brave citizens are Avengers for being brave enough to get their shit together for once and help each other
>I want to put into perspective that back in the 80s and 90s selling even slightly below 100k units of a single comic was grounds for outright cancellation for Marvel
Why lie? Sales were already going down in the 80's.
They could just buy Webtoons. Lots of fresh talent and tons of IPs.
Not as far as i know, and even then the stats would likely be untrustworthy, Marvel got LCS owners in a giant shit fit because of how they overship free books which clog up shelf space while forcing them to pay for the shipping on it.
Fuck I would be fine with this but I have no hope left.
I guess if you have another branch of Disney that's not Marvel Entertainment make the comics?
Honestly? It's only a matter of time. Nobody at Marvel has put out a decent idea in a long time, and so many of their big names jumped ship. They are just morons running the show, and it's about to go under.
As long as they profit somehow does it matter to even disney if they overship? Especially since LCSes have let this continue so far?
>if Marvel wasnt owned by a fucking megacorporate juggernaut with an infinite wellspring of money deep enough to essentially own the government and bend laws to its will, it would have went into bankruptcy and died like 8 years ago.
How so? The MCU movies were already big hits before the Disney merger. They may not have reached the heights of profitability they're at now with Disney's branding and distributions, but they still probably would have been enough to keep the company profitable despite the sputtering Comics division. Also, don't forget brand merchandise. Kids still buy Spider-Man halloween costumes, Disney or no Disney. Disney barely had a hand in the Avengers, it was too soon after the deal, and it was still a huge success.
Completely unironically this though. Fuck The Big 2 for deciding "muh creators are humynns" takes precedent over knowing acting like you're damn lucky to be in a position thousands could and would love to be in and that you best make every fucking page count.
Then wait. For all you know those games will be trash.
The big 2 need to die for the american comics market to evolve. If it ever happened, it would be the Good kind of destruction.
They should cut back on books. Even DC is doing so.
Everything is losing money these days! Look how many big stores are closing down! Toys-R-Us, Sears, Payless. Do you really think one of the most niche mediums, that constantly loses to Manga in terms of sales, is somehow immune to the current declining economy?
When did Miles and Kamala come out? They seem to be pretty successful right now.
He's a money kike over being a commie lib kike. Especially when you're talking billions.
Can we wish for Electron Arts to die so AAA video gaming can be saved too as long as we're dreaming big?
based flavortown
nigga this board is about American comics
why even bring those up?
Isn’t the share of manga in America still lagging behind comics
>this unsourced indefensible accusation again
post a source or stop throwing this slur around. surely if it's true a source must be available.
F
Because american comics are inferior to those.
That’s what i have been saying to the “they are losing money!!!” people but I didn’t get anything besides speculation
I bet you that kids these days can name more MHA characters than X-Men.
Actually this board is about Western comics. European is western.
I highly doubt Disney is going to shut down their comics line that’s lasted decades. It would make their brand look weak. I see them just cutting back on the number of titles and doing more nostalgia pandering.
Marvel comics has committed suicide by going full throttle into SJW legacy politics. Nothing of value will be lost if SJW Marvel stops printing new books.
Nah, I doubt so. Anyways this point isn’t relevant to my post
DC always wins baby. Ladderbro on suicide watch
They could also adapt and only hire third world people to draw and write it like every other comic company.
Cosmicbooknews is just a comicsgate website, no idea why anyone links to them besides if they're blind fools.
>Namefagging
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the brand, the whole problem is about management. There is a wealth of talent elsewhere as well. Look at the "reboot" culture in Hollywood, that's how they think when there is that much money on the line.
And it's more than just the funny papers, MCU is the biggest IP franchise in history after Star Wars and Disney Princesses and that includes merch.
There is too much money at stake just to let it die. I'm thinking they'll kill it and relaunch to coincide with the next MCU phase starting in earnest late Q2 next year.
>MUH ESSJAYDOUBLEYOUS
How mental are you? Have you seen a therapy in years? You fucking loon.
I don't see AAA devs stunting the development of the games industry as much as the big 2 do for american comics. AA games are in the process of rising up once again right now, and indies are doing fine. EA, Activision or Bethesda are actually going to explode any year now out of incompetency, so it's only getting better.
Hello newfriend, that is a trip, not a name. You call these people tripfags
*biggest movie based
I blame Star Wars.
Star Wars went from a big seller for Marvel to shit numbers. That IP is dragging Marvel down. Heck, even their toys are the least selling part of their merchandise and hurting them.
Disney should focus on fixing Star Wars right now.
>There is absolutely nothing wrong with the brand
There is
It stinks
>The comic book industry is presently said to be in a state of collapse
Weren't sales up or only down slightly last year?
Disney could fold the publishing arm and license the IP to IDW to pump out comics.
Click bait in a nutshell
By brand I mean it's collective IP and it's marketability.
It's shit now but that is solely on current creative control.
X-Men aren't important. Spider-Man is the single most profitable brand in the world, by a huge margin. In 2013, Spider-Man made $1.3B in profits from global retail of licensed merch, compared to the strongest runner up, Batman at $494M. People may not buy Marvel comics, but they know Marvel Characters, they watch Marvel cartoons and movies, they buy Marvel products.
They shipped less books, but because the prices went up, they managed to make a bit more money.
>Kelly was right in the end.
Never had a doubt.
FUCK YEAH!
BEST NEWS ALL YEAR!
Down but it cost them more money to make.
X-Men hasn't been relevant for years. Even a franchise like Teen Titans is more relevant nowadays according to Google Trends.
FUCKING DO IT
It amazes me how much people will readily believe pure speculation that even presents itself as speculation as long as it agrees with them.
KNEE CARS
How do you faggots fall for this EVERY SINGLE TIME? Is this all an elaborate ruse?
Disney answer will be even more MCU synergy in comics... maybe even their own line, like a new Ultimate Universe but with MCU.
I prefer the 'N' word thank you
Imagine a world where major comic book companies were never a thing and the superhero genre was populated with creator owned characters...and also significantly smaller so we actually got other shit other than endless capes.
IMAGINE IT!
What the fuck do liberals have to do with any of this?
>Have you seen a therapy in years?
No you fucking ESL, I haven't seen a therapy. Are you denying Marvel promotes SJW ideology?
>Teen Titans is more relevant nowadays according to Google Trends.
The general public is now developing taste? Based.
You should see “a therapy”
I don't have to, I'm European.
Well yeah they do.
You could try not reading those books if they make you mad, instead of looking like an angry moron who knows very little, but by all means go off.
Listen to the actual retailers; their fans tell them that Marvel shoehorning in new 'diverse' versions of fan favorite characters and forcing them on consumers is what's hurting sales.
newsarama.com
Sorry if the truth triggers you.
When did retards started thinking "you speak more than one language" is an insult?
>I'm European
do eurofags actually say this? just say what country you're from lmao
Ok, but that still doesn't equal COLLAPSE OF THE INDUSTRY!!!!
I hope Quesada and Co. are scared, not because Disney is planning on shutting the comics wing down outright, but because Disney is looking at poor profits from the comics branch and have decided to take a less hands-off approach and purge the inept management that have been holdovers from before they bought it. I hope they fucking scour the lazy, nepotistic, petty fucks out of there from Quesada to Loeb to especially Permutter and replace them with actual talent.
All of that is wrong but I just want to point out this
>BotW
>masterpieces.
Not just you're wrong but you're also brainwash to like AVERAGE just ALRIGHT games
Nothing though. Decrease =/= negative
Lots of LCS' closed at the start of the year, so that means less comics being bought. Marvel could raise prices more, but that doesn't mean that it will translate to the same level of sales.
You realize that all of the major characters who lost their mantles recovered them, right?
Surprisingly, Marvel comics are shit and sell poorly regardless if Iron Man is an alcoholic white guy or a sociopathic black girl.
But I just started reading Conan!
Miles, Kamala, Moon Girl, Gwenpool are all fun books.
Notice how they keep linking their hugbox site too.
I'm sure it;ll continue on at Dark Horse.
But I'm from 2 countries (France and Switzerland) and Americans get European countries confused anyway, it's easier like that.
Wasn’t jan sales strong
LCS close every year they always have, more open. Nothing I've seen indicates the industry is in "collapse".
you're autistic
Most of the successful ones have moved away from selling comics as their main item. Most of them now sell figurine games, magic, yugioh, etc.
Oh wow. Bendis, Aaron, Cates, and Alonso successfully killed Marvel Comics.
That word is not as universally useful as you seem to think.
Definitely a good way to milk all of those Fujobucks who want more Tony x Cap
fall for what? no one cares enough to buy more books to "save" marvel.
Marvel doesnt see a cent of the movie money, user, the MCU, Marvel Studios was separated by Disney like 6 years ago.
MtG has been doing poorly too.
That’s actually kind of amazing. Disney kills there most successful characters just to spit fox.
Marvel and DC haven't made money from their comics since the 80s. But they keep them around as IP farms for more profitable ventures like movies and cartoons.
The issue now is Disney saying, "we have enough backlog of stories to adapt, why bother paying to create more?"
>There is too much money at stake just to let it die.
When it comes to movies.
Not comics.
Disney can still pump out Marvel movies while getting rid of their dumb SJW comics.
MARVEL IS SHUTTING DOWN* x1000, like Jesus I get tired seeing the headlines
*rumours
Thats his point retard, he isnt reading the books, and nobody else is either, hence the horribly tanked sales.
Source please for 2010 onwards, I genuinely want to know
how dare you
Isn’t this year’s sales pretty ok
>January's market rebounded strongly from a slowdown at the end of 2018, with overall dollar sales of comic books and graphic novels up 14%. Every subcategory was up over the same month in 2018, which had the same number of shipping weeks. Batman Who Laughs #2 led unit sales for comics, while Captain Marvel #1 led dollar sales. Marvel saw the return of the Conan license from Dark Horse, and as a result had a new Conan the Barbarian #1 in fourth place, while a new omnibus led the graphic novel dollar chart.
The death of printed comics is unavoidable. The only sane way to continue is online.
Good, good. Now give the I.Ps to Japan. Weekly Shonen Jump Spiderman here we come.
Dunno, but for quite a few years no.
Even then, they pump out like 50 books a month, i doubt most are actually profitable.
That's not true though. There are still lots of successful stores that just sell comics.
Even if they aren’t the losses are low as they ship less
>Dunno, but for quite a few years no.
Up 2012-2016
Down 2017, 2018
Shhhh user, just listen and believe, comic sales are worse than ever despite being factually much better than a half decade ago.
>and as a result had a new Conan the Barbarian #1 in fourth place
Phew...
of course it's a rumor the fucking headline has a question mark
I don't think he was implying his noticing that was a feat of investigative journalism.
>separated by Disney
Yes, see the relevant fact here? Disney can do what they want with Marvel because they own them. If Disney did not own Marvel, all profits from MCU movies would stay under Marvel (and their previous distribution partners, Paramount and Universal). In fact, it's not Marvel that's on life support from Disney, it's Disney's yearly flops like Nutcracker and the Four Realms on life support from the Marvel Studios division, which makes billions of dollars in profits each year. So Marvel wouldn't have been failing without Disney, it's Disney that would have been doing a lot worse if they had never made the Marvel purchase.
>It's shit now but that is solely on current creative control.
Marvel Comics is shit on every single level.
"The Shogun" didn't fix shit.
The only decent thing I can say is that the art is passable, and that's not true 100% of the time either.
I was mainly trying to make a hypothetical point about their comic departments practices by comparing it to the 90s behavior and ignoring the movies, should have worded it better.
You notice how much killing off characters has been happening of late? Death of Inhumans, Uncanny X-Men, Guardians of the Galaxy, and we got events like Hunted and that Carnage thing looking like it will kill more?
More like Disney trying to hide the X-Men franchise as much as they can, because let's be real, it's not like DC has been trying much with the Teen Titans neither until the last year or so (where Google Trends actually shows like it's trending down, although it's probably due to DC dropping the "Teen" and start using other names like Young Justice)
>talent
This dude's strategy is come up with a conclusion that fits his wishes, then make a headline based on that while quoting sources that prove him wrong. "Cosmic Book News" in a nutshell... Surprised idiots in here still use his shit site to make threads.
>Death of Inhumans
The push failed, no reason to keep 'em around.
>Uncanny X-Men
Won't last, or will only last until the first MCU X Men movie.
>Guardians of the Galaxy
Just in case GotG3 never happens, if it does they'll come back
You have to be a retarded owner if you put all your eggs in one basket.
What kind of fan service can we expect?
This story runs all the time and it never comes true. Comics are always dying, comics always stay alive.
Get Phantasy Star
>You notice how much killing off characters has been happening of late?
You also notice how much nobody even gives a shit anymore? You can only pull the resurrection card so many times before the response it illicits goes from "Oh no!", to "Go fuck yourself."
Damn good taste, user.
Go back and read all the old Conan comics, you probably haven't read them all yet and they're surely better than whatever nu-Marvel shits out.
Technically Bendis already brought back the Ultimate universe in his Spider-Men sequel (and put Riri in that Universe)
I'll get that Omnibus at some point, when its not 150 bucks.
We did it bros
It's less relevant than you think though, because Marvel is more than a comics publishing division, it's a division that controls many characters that are still profitable in varied ways. With Spider-Man merch bringing in a billion dollars each year, and in a hypothetical world where Marvel was still independent and were in control of their Studio division, Black Panther may not have made over a billion dollars and gotten Disney's Oscar push but it almost undoubtedly still would be a significant blockbuster. So the narrative that Disney saved Marvel from utter ruin doesn't seem right to me.
And as far as Disney is concerned, if we assume that the comics division is basically "on life support", it barely makes money, and may even be losing it, how much is it really losing? I bet it's less than Disney's flop movies do. The Nucracker and the Four Realms may have lost almost as much as $130 million. A Wrinkle in Time, similar numbers. Solo lost at least $50 million. My guess is the numbers at Marvel Comics aren't bad enough to warrant possibly killing the goose that laid the golden eggs, when so much of Disney's box office money now comes from the Marvel brand name.
WSJ is just as shitty as the big 2.
>click the link
>cosmicbookdotcom
>it’s only reference is to Bleeding Fool speculation
They warned me not to click and yet, here I am
Totally sad
Those cases are mostly Donny Cates being the hack writer he is unable to come up with new ideas, so he just decides to kill every character that isn't among his favorites. Nothing new really.
My point was about them as a comic book company. I understand that it really wouldnt happen, but if they were doing purely comics, they'd have died out years ago.
This, just don’t end the universe like Ultimatum.
>fake news thread #3745654
It's time to stop
So blackwashed Spider-man, blackwashed Ms. Marvel, and blackwashed/womanwashed Moon Boy are 3 of your big 'original' ideas? 3 minority legacy versions of classic characters? And Gwenpool is 'what if there was a cute blonde girl like Gwen Stacy but who broke the 4th wall like Deadpool', still not too original, even her name is derivative.
>if they were doing purely comics,
Well then that's just silly. Comics have been designed to sell licensed merch to children for decades now.
>omnibuses going down in value
lol
Nice
Could someone PLEASE post the page of that Return of the Fantastic Four comic where Reed Predicts the Death of Marvel and DC in 30 years?
All Black Cat, all the time.
They nearly went tits up in the 90s user.
Get punched /pol/
Okay, then used. Theres only two (non bill, none 'essential for my continued existence') things I'm willing to spend over 100 bucks for, and comics ain't one of them.
That would be revolutionary.
Nazi incels go away get punched everyday! Nazi incels go away get punched everyday! Nazi incels go away get punched everyday! Nazi incels go away get punched everyday! Nazi incels go away get punched everyday! Nazi incels go away get punched everyday! Nazi incels go away get punched everyday!
Highly doubtful when people actually buy WSJ and have an interest in the contents in it. Same can't be said about most Big2 comics.
Ok, but what would be the consequences of shutting down Marvel comics?
And Japan will lead the way. Now Yea Forums is the leader now.
Game consoles and escorts?
Was Spider-Man making over a billion dollars every year in licensed merch in the 90s though?
lmfao
Okay, I admit that even IF marvel didn't go down the liberal shithole they probably still would've ended up here eventually. But the liberal fad accelerated this for sure.
That's the point.
I predict they will wipe the slate clean and give Marvel Comics over to unemployed Hollywood SciFi writers in Hollywood.
They're not working and they're damn good writers it's just that big brained SciFi isn't big in the wheelhouse of producers right now.
People will buy comics if they're good. Shit, there is probably more Americans that read Shonen Jump than Marvel Comics these days. I know I do.
My whole point is that they are gonna kill NYC Marvel to make Burbank Marvel and focus on adaptable apolitical action-adventure stories.
Yikes, with their entire catalog they just need one jerkoff to make a baller graphic novel storyline and you got a billion dollar baby right on your lap as opposed to printing thousands of copies of 5$ rags about She-Hulk giving a 10 page ink death blog of a monologue about mansplaining.
Who would had honestly thought that killing your costumers' favorite characters and replacing them with new characters, and shit talking the fans for calling them out on it would kill the company. Definitely not Marvel Comics.
Expand beyond Yea Forums, fag. It’s called name fagging on quite a few boards.
Hey Boco, you play PSO2? PSU is back up too, if you played it back in the day.
This remind me, did DC have similar endings right before New 52?
Game consoles and Titan Class Transformers.
Maybe not Omega Supreme, though.
Just wait until Marvel dumps more comics into the liquidator market again.
Ryan from the Comics Conspiracy seems to be doing really well and he's just comics with a few statues. He even turned down that idiot Meyer's comic despite that apparently going to ruin him.
Nah, I've never had any of the consoles for the online ones. Prefer the old RPGs anyway.
Statues ain't just comics though. He is still selling things other than comics.
Would DC become a monopoly?
cosmicbook news is an autistic faggot
Not happening. Even if Marvel sales are shit I really doubt Disney would axe it all. Downsize maybe, but completely cut off no. If anything I think it's more likely that Marvel is trying to spark rumors of being shutdown so the last few dedicated fans start buying up more books.
Both can be played on PC.
Maybe Disney will step in and bully Diamond out of the distribution racket and force Marvel to produce a line of self-contained stories and finally get the products back in stores everyday people go into.
And I have a toaster laptop.
They'd have to water everything down, then. You put a comic with blood in it in Wal Mart and the soccer moms will flip their shit.
Look up PSU Clementine, and PSO2 arks layer, to play on the translated sever.
Are you an idiot?
Disney would dump Marvel Publishing in a heartbeat. IDW is already making Avengers and Spider-Man comics.
No DC would still have competition in the eyes of the courts as Dark Horse, Image, and IDW exist and I doubt they would consider cape comics a separate industry.
Which also has way less sales. So really somebody answer me. DC and Marvel have 70% of the market share, if they are losing money how are the other 18 or so publishers able to survive?
It's called namefagging when they don't have a trip newfag retard
No store in the world sells literally just comics though.
Hence the point about standalone. Bring back Marvel Adventures and put it in Walmart and keep the teen/adult oriented stuff in comic stores.
Get a Steam account instead, wait another year for decent games and a price drop on the Switch
I kinda want Marvel to end now.
Maybe Marvel should fire all the shitty twitter authors and comicbook journalist tards they've hired over the years to write and draw their books; enforce brand synergy across it's media: All superheroes are their classic interpretations which are featured in the movie counterparts.
Also end this moratorium on sexy art and good looking characters and costumes. Get back to the basics with what sells and what people liked.
C.B. Cebulski was supposedly brought on to do such things, but not enough has been done. Is it that he's unwilling to go all the way, or does Disney get in the way of certain decisions?
Nope, because Flashpoint got hijacked to be a reboot.
Most books just got abrupt rushed endings.
Why wouldn't they shut it all down, start over from scratch and launch Disney run and directed comics aimed at promoting their movies and shows, with brand new Issue 1's?
They wouldn't, whoever tells you the death of Marvel or DC would benefit the industry is lying to you because they're still by and large the main drivers of sales, and any of them failing wouldn't mean more sales for the indie market, it would simply mean less sales overall.
Plenty of creators have said they need both companies to stay healthy, because their existence actually benefits the entire industry. Just look at how poorly The Walking Dead is selling lately and tell me if Image would be able to survive without it.
The reason they're going under is because they're publishing almost entirely garbage, and printing it at a rate unseen since the Death of Superman.
Isn't he the one who was tweeting out notes from the comicspro meeting about DC's cuts before the meeting even finished, and got information wrong?
Like Lex becomine a Phantom Zone god after killing an extraterrestrial baby. And then killed by Superman when he talked him to death.
I don't follow current shit, I stopped regularly reading Marvel around after Siege.
I am saying I know it's shit, but stories with these characters are completely salvageable.
I have no idea what "The Shogun" even is, but my point is that it's salvageable and that's what I mean by "the brand".
They will reboot Marvel Comics and dump all the geeks. I'm solely talking about Marvel itself and it's IPs.
People that watch the movies ain't going to read the comics promoting the movie. People that want to read the non-MCU characters ain't going to read the comics promoting the movie.
Adventure Time: Pirates of the Enchiridian. Very casual but comfy turn based RPG
Politics aside, they shouldn't have hired literal-who authors and artists for their most popular characters. I've seen so many delays, grammar errors, and terrible art for the past few years alone. For a comic company owned by Disney, those kinds of mistakes should be seldom, not common. Also, they need to stop shilling characters that are not popular to the audiences, such as Carol, or have female versions of popular male character. Spider-Gwen and Gwenpool are examples. The huge cross-over events also need to stop. Goddamn, there's so much cross-over events, it makes the 90s era look tame in comparison. I've heard people rant about how the 90s was terrible because of the cross-over events, but the 2010s shows how awful it can truly be. Civil War 2 sucks because the first one sucked.
The Ben 10 reboot brings in that much on just toy merch
Rekt em’
>Shilling the kid fucker's website
Why, OP?
It's absolutely relevant, these are comic book movies.
Imagine if a Game of Thrones sequel book sold 10k copies, it would absolutely sully the brand and HBO would be furious.
>or stop throwing this slur around.
Are we worried about offending child rapists now? Are they protected group?
I personally think it should be separated into "Yea Forums - animation" and "Yea Forums comics and manga".
The industry was always in trouble from their point of view. Yearly shrinking audiences combined with increasing costs made that evident. The SJW shit was a wild throw in an attempt to draw in an untapped market. Yea they fucked it up, but the actual idea had merits.
suck my big white dick
>People that watch the movies ain't going to read the comics promoting the movie.
This is true, many of them actually think it's pointless to follow the comics if the movies are "adaptations" anyway, and most feel like it's redundant to do so. Obviously they don't know how different the stories are nor the wealth in lore that comes with comic book knowledge, but also don't care.
I'm curious to know whether these comics that basically reinterpret the movies as comics (Marvel's X Prelude) actually get any sales at all, because it seems to me Marvel should be releasing comic digests instead, full trades with the basic issues to follow and then if they're interested in more, which series to read. It's a better idea than to redraw the movies.
BOTW is top tier and a must play.
Reputational damage is a different argument than the other user and I were having.
they need good writers but they also need interesting story direction
aaron can not run things any other direction than the ground, he treats everything like a fucking joke
bring back hackman and remender, lure over gaiman and morrison, or some shit like that and let them right this fucking ship by doing something not only interesting but fucking done well
>kid fucker
What’s the background on this? I’m curious.
Honestly EiC is just a middle man for marketing/Disney higher ups. People complain about how we need to get back to the '90s but in some ways the '90s are back if you think about it.
>People that watch the movies ain't going to read the comics promoting the movie.
They will. A number of the comic sites about a year ago were whining calling normies assholes for not wanting to read the comics because Marvel replaced all the main characters:Woman Thor, Asian Hulk, lady Wolverine, Woman Iron Man, etc. Bleedingcool also accused a comic shop owner of being a racist over it, for saying to Marvel during some retailer event, that he had tons of people come into his shop interested because of the movies, only to not want to read the books when they found out the heroes from the movies weren't in the books.
They also said normies wanted clear issue 1's, not a million tie-ins that they were going to have to also read and buy. It was Marvel's fault they replaced all the heroes and made it difficult for new readers to be able to jump in. For example with manga, volume 1 is volume 1, and volume 2, is volume 2, and no confusion in-between.
>conservapedia
Are you trying to get into a cringe competition with him or what?
IM INTERESTED IN THAT
>cure the commie problem
>by moving to Commiefornia and hiring failed writers and never wasers from Marxwood
Teen Titans kinda got one. The rest just got abrupt endings.
Seems to be purely a meme since no one can ever give any source or details and just blindly repeats it.
Agreed. Online is the future, and Marvel can even virtue signal by claiming they're saving the environment by directing their popular titles on a online format while only selling graphic novels of their combined issues on an annual basis for their purist fans occasionally. Not to mention their huge cross-over events will be more manageable and a site interface will help newer audiences keep of the continuity.
Also this. Marvel can use the new format to attract cheaper labor online by employing foreigners. They will have tons more artists, letterers, and colorists working them on a cheaper payroll on more series titles, but will produce more issues on a tighter schedule.
>cosmicbooknews
>source is Rich the Leech
big wew
I doubt he's a pedo or else he would be severely chastised by everyone, but he's still an attention-starved asshole who shills his site here.
>Are we worried about offending child rapists now? Are they protected group?
No, innocent people should be protected from unsubstantiated slurs, though. It's not like I want to defend the guy if it's true, but you guys just repeat this without saying where it comes from. There's nothing about it on Google or on the Yea Forums archive. Seems to just be something someone made up. If it's true, you can find a link substantiating it, otherwise it's slander.
It's relevant, Rep is MCU's biggest asset.
What would happen in this scenario is that Disney would license out the IP to another company, most likely IDW.
The guy who runs cosmic book news, McSomthing or other, raped his nephew. I'm not even sure how he's legally able to run a comic book site, but maybe he can pretend "comics aren't aimed at kids" or something.
Eitherway, it's hard to find the stuff on it, since a football guy has his exact same name. So you look it up and you get sports shit. Lucky him, I guess.
Refute it then, my tranny friend.
idw can't do a connected universe worth a shit, they'd fuck it up so fast
See
Ah, but if you don't read current Marvel, you are a proven casual, and your opinions can be safely ignored. Checkmate, comicsgater.
This - - was clearly the testbed. Assuming these issues sold well and at a low outlay on Disney's behalf, that's most likely sealed Marvel's fate.
there's a difference between putting out stand alone titles that may never be connected to a shared universe and actually being the new marvel
you have to have the shared universe if you're the new marvel
>The SJW shit was a wild throw in an attempt to draw in an untapped market. Yea they fucked it up, but the actual idea had merits.
No, it really didn't.
I could understand maybe having one SJW comic, just to throw it out there and see if it sells, but they did that with practically every comic they publish, for YEARS after they knew beyond the shadow of a doubt that the comics weren't selling, and they weren't selling because of all the SJW shit.
I don't even know why Marvel bothers with continuity or connecting their different characters together. Just keep most of it self-contained, create more What-If scenarios, and it avoid all problems with the power levels, consistent rules, and questions of how the characters would completely affect the world, to the point that it would be almost completely unrecognizable.
Commiefornia being Commiefornia is the big deal here. No one is hiring good scifi and action-adventure writers. It's an untapped goldmine.
There are plenty of writers who don't get hired because they're not giant fags. I would go as far to say as the majority of good writers in Hollywood aren't being hired because they aren't giant fags.
Marvel NYC are entirely hipster liberal queers with no hope for redemption or turning a profit.
GUYS WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ANSWERING TO A HUUUUUUUUGE SPECULATION NEWS SITE JUST SEARCHING FOR CLICKS? IT'S NOT EVEN BLEEDING COOL.
I think people moved on by now and are arguing by themselves, the link was just an excuse. I doubt most here actually take CBN seriously and if they do, I feel sorry for them.
Imagine. My. Shock.
>Is it that he's unwilling to go all the way
Has he gone in in any way? To be fair I have noticed a slight decrease in some aspects of the sjw bullshit. Though no editorial control, co-ordination across the lines and the writing talent pool is still severely lacking. I would also like to see a return to the classic marvel art style rather than what we get right now.
I literally thinking it's some guy spamming this thread with a proxy.
Its happens with bendis hate threads.
I'm pretty sure we get Bendis hate threads because Bendis is a fucking godawful writer.
>license out the characters
The House of Ideas has been intolerably insular for the last 10 years. Let it happen, it would bring so much more to the characters.
>House of ideas
What's that? Honest question
Cry more.
Fuck off Bendis.
This.
Reason, I say that it's just bunch of people or person saying thing, over and over again.
If failing comics did enough damage to Marvel's reputation to be a problem, the movies wouldn't be making billions of dollars. Hardcore normies don't actually know the comics still exist. I've talked to several friends and family members who don't read comics about the comics, and before I told them, they thought these movies were fully based on comics from decades ago, and didn't even know that the comic lines were still in print. Spider-Man exists in the mind of the average consumer completely separate from any modern comic. So if a comic bombs, nobody is going to think less of Spider-Man, because it's cartoons and movies and Funko Pops that keep the brand alive in their mind.
Saying the same thing over and over again?
>How many decades has it been since the last time marvelcucks had a good idea or character?
Axis Carnage, Kaine as the Scarlet Spider, Gwenpool was the best stuff Marvel was putting out for that year (or two? I don't remember)
Haha, IDW is even more pozzed than Marvel. With Trannyformers, and a literal Marxist being put on GI Joe.
They have nothing in common with the CURRENT comics. Marvel Studios is basically pre-sjw Marvel, but modernized and in film form.
>The guy who runs cosmic book news, McSomthing or other, raped his nephew. I'm not even sure how he's legally able to run a comic book site, but maybe he can pretend "comics aren't aimed at kids" or something.
>Eitherway, it's hard to find the stuff on it, since a football guy has his exact same name. So you look it up and you get sports shit. Lucky him, I guess.
Nope, not good enough. You need to find SOME kind of source, or else shut the fuck up about it. How do you expect anyone to believe you without any source? It's just slander. I looked it up in Yea Forums's archive and found nothing. If it was true someone who mentioned it would have linked to a source at some point.
Your time is up commie.
Yes. Its became boring and I just left superman threads forever.
I feel like I dealing with the same autist.
Those are legacy characters. Not original ideas. 'What if X was black/Muslim/a girl' is not an original concept.
This is always brought up in response and it's a really stupid idea
They cancelled the Hasbro-verse ages ago though, didn't they?
>>>but but but Richard C Meyer is racisssss and misowginist, don't pay attention to him!
>You need to find SOME kind of source, or else shut the fuck up about it.
You're starting to sound like a guy who raped his nephew and wants to pretend it never happened. I don't think you looked at the archives at all, I've seen mention of this most anytime the pedo's site comes up.
It's odder that the site is being shilled more often.
>Y-you better shut da fuck up if ya know what's good for ya!
What is this tough guy shit? I don't get it.
Then post a fucking source retard. You don't just get to accuse people of one of the worst crimes possible without showing some basis for it.
You must be illiterate, I never threatened anybody. It's just a basic standard of decency that if you make claims that somebody did some horrible crime, you provide evidence.
>I don't think you looked at the archives at all, I've seen mention of this most anytime the pedo's site comes up.
'Mentioning' it as a rumor is meaningless, find me the posts in the archive where some basis for believing it is provided.
>Steam
Nope.
Who keeps shilling this guy's blog? And boy:
>a CBSN clickbait article whose only citation is a BleedingCuck clickbait article
Jesus. It's like a game of telephone where each player is progressively more retarded.
It's what Marvel likes to call themselves
NOPE. Some series had some finale but others just felt abrupt.
Oh, I thought it was some internal think-tank that came up with and approved ideas, and that they were behind the way marvel's developed recently
>Samefagging
This seems pretty important to you, McGloin.
Staying away from schools, right?
The audiences are almost completely different.
The biggest problem is that the western cartoon audience is taken over by sjws and stoners. Yea Forums HATES sjws. You combine the 2 and you'd have the biggest board civil war in Yea Forums history.
Congratulations, you won the cringe competition!
>No one is hiring good scifi and action-adventure writers, but surely Disney's new management wouldn't make the same mistake
Wishful thinking, these people aren't self-aware enough to realize what exactly isn't working. All they know is that they are losing money, just look at what they let happen to Lucasfilm.
I've never even heard of that before. Is anyone buying them?
I'm not him. I just like to see evidence when someone is accused of a terrible crime. Is that so wrong?
OP, do you happen to have a source that isn't a known pedophile? I kinda don't want to support raping kids.
Yes.
See
FFIX just came out not too long ago, that'll hold you for a while.
big two comics are just IP farms for Disney and WB, this has been said before a thousand times.
Marvel and DC shutting down would be for the best.
Thanks!
Did I read it wrong or does it just say that comics could be doing better, and some guys are giving a panel? It doesn't really seem to imply Marvel is about to be shutdown.
At least no more than every other article someone posts on here that is the "doom of the industry!".
>big two comics are just IP farms for Disney and WB, this has been said before a thousand times.
Yeah, it's still fucking wasteful though to allow them to produce such absolute shit that they're hemorrhaging money.
We should be seeing record profits during this era of capeshit films inspiring people to read comics about the characters, but instead normies have been picking up comics for the last decade and wondering why Tony Stark is a pavement ape, why Thor has boobs now, why The Incredible Hulk turned into a chink.
We can only hope.
Mags, is that you?
>that they're hemorrhaging money.
They aren't
>They aren't
Then they're clearly just a front for some kind of incredibly shady illegal business, because they sure as fuck aren't making money from their comics that nobody buys.
If Marvel isn't making money how are the much smaller publishers in business?
You obviously haven't been keeping up. Hasbro entrusted IDW to be its ideas farm for a kind of "Hasbro Franchise Multiverse" by starting a comic line featuring all their classic properties (Transformers, Micronauts, MASK, etc etc) in a shared universe. Hasbro naively assumed IDW would understand what they wanted and stay on-brand, instead they delivered a bargain-basement SJW pozzfest. Hasbro came down on them like a ton of bricks for ruining their attempt at a big multimedia launch with negative headlines and disastrous sales figures, and have forced them to reboot all the Hasbro property comics with better creative teams and total creative control coming from Hasbro itself.
IDW are hanging on by a thread financially, they really need deals like Hasbro and potentially Marvel to keep them afloat until they can clear their debts.
Should this guy be running a site that covers comics? I don't know if he was even convicted though, so maybe I'm off.
The solution?
Kill all the current heroes and turn Ironman into a teen niggress.
Because the publishers make their money selling to the retailers. That's why DC is starting to move into shipping their 100 page books to Wal-mart and other retailers. They know the LCS market is close to collapsing, so they're trying to move books in new channels away from Diamond.
I imagine it has a lot to do with the fact that many of them don't actually hire writers/artists/editors/etc, they just print the comics, slap their label on them, and help advertise them in return for a share of the profits.
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>Newsarama
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>Cosmic Book News
>Bleeding Cool
>Bounding Into Comics
>Still whining about that
>They didn't even kill Tony because they knew no one would believe it
Casuals are always years behind.
nigga, the costs of a comics company are in SALARIES and MARKETING
indie publishers don't pay their employees shit and have literally ZERO marketing, so their operating costs are next to nothing
LCS market can absolutely survive on indies and community, but they won't have a fighting chance as long as they're dealing with Marvel's business model of forcing them to buy way more issues of shitty comics then they'd be able to sell in 20 years and then buying back 40% of them.
DiDio called out Marvel for what they're doing.
>That happened an arbitrary amount of time ago, that means it doesn't count anymore!
Yeah, nah, fuck you. Marvel is still shit because almost everyone who unironically thought that was a good idea still works there. The only thing that's changed in recent history is that some writers left Marvel to fuck up DC instead.
I think this was inevitable. Marvel is driving themselves in the ground. First they kill some of their oldest and largest properties (X-men and FF) because of movie rights disputes. Then they change their half their biggest characters to appeal to the tumblr SJW crowd - who DO NOT buy comics in the first place - alienating their existing fans by publishing outright bad comics. I think Ms. Marvel was the only decent one out of all of these, but even that one was full with nonstop cultural appreciation scenes.
So now you killed two of your biggest sellers, alienated your long-term fans, and you over saturated the market with poor comics. Of course sales will fucking tank. I'm not even getting into the Guardians of the Galaxy fiasco, or the fact that editors are not allowed (leading to comics being chock full of errors like "place scan of asgard map here", and the quality control on artwork and writing going down the drain; retcons happening every other issue now).
Marvel is run by retards and they deserve to die. If Disney kills the existing company and re-builds it from the scratch with Hollywood talent, we *might* get good Marvel Comics again. But that all depends on whether the writers will be people who give a shit about the characters. This happened once in the 00s, and we got damn lucky that time because they returned tons of characters to their roots after the 90s clusterfuck, even if it required Bendis completely destroying all the Avengers. Something like that is bound to happen soon, and 2020s might end up with similar "returning to the roots" again.
Meanwhile DC just reboots everything every decade. I swear I've seen like ten Superman origins since 2000.
>triggered by that little post
YIKES!
Actually they wonder if you're supposed to start Spiderman at The Amazing Spiderman, The Spectacular Spiderman, Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spiderman, Spiderman, The Web of Spiderman, Spiderman Unlimited, The Sensational Spiderman, Friendly Neightbourhood Spiderman, The Superior Spiderman or any of the other 50 titles that includes spiderman.
I have been swayed by your compelling argument.
I will be sure to personally pick up a dozen issues of the next West Coast Avengers from the dumpster behind my LCS when nuMarvel ends up overshipping it by a few hundred percent. :^)
Marvel comics (not the movies, not the shows, not the merch, just the comics), according to their own people, is currently making enough revenue to offset it's expenditure.
Yes, we all know Marvel is a far cry from the 80s and 90s. No one is saying the comics rake in massive cash. But the comics industry is the only print industry that has fairly consistent growth lately, and Marvel staff (and every other expense possible) was gutted in the 00s by Ike Perlmutter. They don't need massive cash
>It's just slander
No it's not you degenerate fucking faggot
It's libel. Slander is spoken word, libel is print.
>>Marvel comics (not the movies, not the shows, not the merch, just the comics), according to their own people, is currently making enough revenue to offset it's expenditure.
I dont believe them.
>They don't need massive cash
That's a great business attitude.
>I dont believe them.
This. If they're not selling comics, then they're not making money, and they're not selling comics. Given the absolute state of Marvel comics for the last decade, it's clear that they were operating under the assumption that no matter what stupid shit they pull, The Mouse would continue to bail them out forever.
>Casuals are always years behind.
We don't read most new shit because it's almost all garbage. Doesn't make us casual. We just spend our time reading shit that was published decades ago and is better than anything recent. There's a limited amount of time in your life you can spend reading comics, and everything reverts to status quo anyway so there's no point expending any energy following whatever new events are being hyped.
nice try
star wars is all the more reason for them to reboot, and the sooner the better. if normies recognize how shitty the comics brand is and it's influence in besmirching the mcu it's a billion dollar black hole.
Shut it down.
Shut it all down.
I don't see why not. Even accounting for their atrocious business practices like overshipping, their dollar sales (which don't include overshipping and shit, unlike unit sales) still regularly top their competitors.
As I mentioned, they have greatly reduced expenditures to the point where former employees have commented about having to bring pens from home.
If your expenses are low, you can survive on lower revenues. It's just math mate.
I'm just saying their business is in the black.
Not saying it's great for shareholders
Not saying it's great for expansion
I ain't gonna defend Marvel after the dumb shit they've done, but I'm not gonna say shit that doesn't make sense.
They only took the "liberal" route because the other way wasn't working anymore. If it was they wouldn't bother with taking risks.
Yeah no, we'd just be starting from scratch if they shut down.
Just imagine, a fresh start.
No one goes this deep into the liberal shithole without being an ideologue. You could argue "the other way" (whatever that means) wasn't working and they wanted to try and see how pandering to a certain group of people would work out. Not a problem. But they should have taken a sip of the liberal kool-aid, not fucking drown themselves in it.
LCSes are going to have to become general hobby shops and start selling WAY more than just comics.
We are literally seeing the end of the American comic book industry.
>Maybe Marvel should fire all the shitty twitter authors and comicbook journalist tards they've hired over the years to write and draw their books; enforce brand synergy across it's media: All superheroes are their classic interpretations which are featured in the movie counterparts.
i think that would be a mistake. characters are meant to change and have arcs. also a lot of the people involved at marvel are stupid and interpret that to mean stuff like "spider-man should stay single, poor and unsuccessful."
>Disney wouldn't shut down the comics because they're basically a farm for ideas and characters for their literal billion dollar multi-media empire.
they're using characters that were invented 50 years ago and none of stories from comics carry over to the movies
>also a lot of the people involved at marvel are stupid and interpret that to mean stuff like "spider-man should stay single, poor and unsuccessful."
It's more like "Spider-Man should be a dindu".
And then when nobody likes their fucking retarded changes, blame the audience for being "afraid of change", when the actual problem is that the changes are fucking retarded.
Superior Tony was Good too.
If it dies, it dies.
>also a lot of the people involved at marvel are stupid and interpret that to mean stuff like "spider-man should stay single, poor and unsuccessful."
Nah, that was just Quesada.
It's fine for characters to have arcs and growth, the problem is that modern marvel just axes/kills them or writes them off in some other way, and then replaces them with a female, Hispanic, black, gay, Asian, or some other equivalent. Then resets the books from issue 0 and returns to the old character with a stupid retcon. This alienates the fans of the old character, alienates the new fans of the new character, and makes continuity a clusterfuck.
I was surprised as fuck that they managed to keep Jean Grey dead for as long as ten years, she only turned up in the two horrible Phoenix endsong/warsong books, which can be dismissed for the Greg Land art and had other reasons why they sucked (it revealed that the Emma Frost was sterile because all of her eggs got harvested, fertilized, and grown into a ten thousand Stepford Cuckoos).
Carol's tentacle monster cat has turned out to be a big draw for her movie and that was invented in KSD's run
At least it's finally over. Stopped reading Marvel a few months after the female Thor thing. Tried giving it a shot after people told me it had nothing to do with pushing an agenda, but it became glaringly obvious after reading a few issues that "this" is what they were doing now to try and push sales. It seems like they doubled down on the whole diversity thing and it backfired. Can't say I'm happy, just sad about how things ended up.
Remember two days ago when it was DC that was dead and Based Marvel had won again? My how things change
We were telling MCUcks that DC sees the headwinds and is trying to adapt.
I think that's what makes marvelcucks so fucking insufferable.
Ask a DC fag something like "How is Bendis' Superman run so far? What about King's Batman?", and they'll give you an honest answer it's fucking godawful garbage and not to waste your time with it.
Ask a marvelcuck about literally anything related to nuMarvel, and they'll either say "it's good! You should read it!", or if they've been blown the fuck out enough times, try to claim "This newest issue totally fixes things", when it never, ever does. They're currently trying to do this with both Miles and Riri, and their new comics are still indefensible trash.
Riri literally got her first comic line. Its like getting into superman in his first issue.
How do you make fucking opinion about a unfinished story?
>We don't read most new shit because it's almost all garbage. Doesn't make us casual.
... yes it does. If you don't know about shit, you're CASUALLY aware of it. That's what the word means. Are you getting upset on behalf of another user?
Kelly is always "right"!
It's more like complaining that Sonichu is actually a great character, and they just have yet to have the right writer come along.
wtf i love disney now
The only reason I considered reading Miles was because his supporting cast involved the previous Ultimate Marvel characters, specifically Jessica (Peter's girl clone) and Lana / Bombshell.
But I'm not interested in seeing both of them get blacked. And like two issues in, they made a two page spread of a e-celeb posting youtube videos about "SPIDERMAN IS BLACK! THIS IS IMPORTANT!"
yeah, fuck Marvel. They deserve to burn.
>Ask a marvelcuck about literally anything related to nuMarvel
The people reading Marvel already quit due to nuMarvel. Only the retards remained.
>Marvel being shuttered
>Corporate upheaval at DC and IDW
Is this really it? Is 2019 the year the industry dies?
First it was to promote heroes they actually wanted public to start caring about.
Now it's a necessity to survive.
I see this used by a lot more casuals lately. When it comes to comics, you can say that if you know a CREATOR isn't good. Like, Liefeld is always gonna look like Liefeld and Bendis is always gonna write like Bendis.
Characters aren't fucking REAL. Are you and actual child? Riri is literally lines on paper, she's as good or bad as the people making her. It's shameful to see kids mangle an old meme image due to not understanding it. It's not rocket science.
If I spend just as much time reading comics as you, and I focus my time reading old comics, many of which you've probably never read, while you read every new Marvel comic, how does it follow that I'm casual and you're not? Yes I have a 'casual' knowledge of most new comics, and you have a 'casual' knowledge of older comics compared to me. You're not more of a fan just because you eat whatever Marvel shits out.
>Sonichu is literally lines on paper, xhe's as good or bad as the people making her.
You might want to sit down, because I'm about to blow your mind.
There is such a thing as a bad character.
Not merely because their stories are bad, or because the writers are bad, but because they're a fundamentally bad concept, you absolute fucking retard.
Who says that? She is a average marvel legacy character.
And there's nothing wrong with her recent stories. Unless you really want to nitpick.
Miles is pointing out how stupid she's being on-page though. The author isn't screaming "THIS IS IMPORTANT!" He's pointing out the problems with people who do that.
>expecting an entire group based on characterfags to understand creative teams
Did you miss yesterday's thread where such hits as "I read comics so I don't know who artists are" and "people only remember artists when you're bad".
Why is she a bad concept? She is just a black sidekick to ironman.
>Why is she a bad concept? She is just a black sidekick to ironman.
How is that a good concept?
War Machine already exists.
>Miles is pointing out how stupid she's being on-page though. The author isn't screaming "THIS IS IMPORTANT!" He's pointing out the problems with people who do that.
Mile's character is literally just to be "spider-man, but not white".
When Bendis writes him saying "I just wanna be spider-man, not ~*black*~ spider-man!", he is fully self aware that's literally all his dumb fanfiction-tier character is.
Miles is so fucking awful that they're literally and unironically advertising his new book by going "He'll be a good character now, we promise!", and nobody is fucking falling for it.
Just cut down 70% of the books they publish and don't publish a book unless it's actually good. No social politics, no schooling on "being a bully on twitter is bad", just straight up a good story to tell. Don't publish a book unless it's well-written, well-drawn and well edited, don't publish a book unless it's a story and don't publish 50 tie-ins that lead to bullshit event.
I don't know a single person who gives a fuck about War of the Realms. No one. Most dropped comics with Civil War 2. Well, not must, only those who for some reason still remained. I dropped them after Spider-verse because at that time I saw no light at the end of the tunnel.
No
>"I read comics so I don't know who artists are" and "people only remember artists when you're bad".
Wouldn't every single comic fan be able to identify artists on sight? I know I can identify dozens of artists just from random pages. Identifying styles is the first thing you learn.
They're called casuals for a reason.
Miles is fine under other authors though, this is widely established. Bendis himself is the problem.
So you have no answer?
Saying what stories can and can't be published in such broadstrokes is just lazy censorship. Why should comics have stories that are "off limits", especially for such mundane things?
But the page you posted literally has Miles agreeing with you.
>Wouldn't every single comic fan be able to identify artists on sight?
You would be really surprised at how any people wouldn't
Its not good, but not a bad either. It's pretty meh.
>Miles is fine under other authors though, this is widely established.
He literally hasn't had a single good appearance since he was created around, what, 2011? And his current dumpster fire is no exception. I don't know who you think you're fooling here.
Well, how do people that casual find Yea Forums at all? Are they just wandering in from other boards?
TO BE FAIR, Marvel still does publish low-key underrated gems. Zdarski's Spectacular Spider-man when he decided to stop writing comedy, for example.
They are just very very very under the radar these days, like if DC has 4 crap books to 1 good Marvel publishes 10 crap books to 1 ok.
Bendis didn't write that fucking issue. Do you even fucking read comics?
>what is Secret Wars
>what is Zubpions
Except he has. And the recent video game and movie also continue to prove it. Sorry, those of who actually read comics know the problem is Bendis. But we get it, he's a le nigger so you have to hate him.
Quality control. I am singling out PC bullshit only because it obviously doesn't seem to work. Marvel has been losing an audience like Korra has been losing viewers on Nick.
However, you are right, if a story that involves social politics and PC stuff IS good, if there is a constructive dialogue, new ideas and no shutting down as I just did, it's worth a publish as well.
The point I wanted to make is to make good.
>Wouldn't every single comic fan be able to identify artists on sight?
It really depends on the artist.
I think most people could identify Erica Henderson, because everyone ends up looking like they have downsyndrome. They could probably identify Liefeld for obvious reasons. But seeing as how most modern comics have separate people that do the penciling, the inking, and the coloring, generally one of them has to fuck up at their job badly enough to be worth remembering.
The real question Disney/Marvel is probably asking themselves isn't whether they should continue making comics, but whether they should continue to be in the direct market, much like when the music industry had to ask themselves if they should continue making singles or support independent music stores.
I think there's a decent likelihood within the next decade where Diamond and comic shops will see their discounts reduced by 25%, or face the prospect of having no pamphlets from Marvel at all. Disney has options, and they can walk away. The DM cannot afford to.
>Well, how do people that casual find Yea Forums at all?
Movies
>Are they just wandering in from other boards?
Yeah, Yea Forums
>But seeing as how most modern comics have separate people that do the penciling, the inking, and the coloring, generally one of them has to fuck up at their job badly enough to be worth remembering.
>I only remember art if its bad
Are you retarded?
So you typed all that just to say "Do it gud"?
>what is garbage
This meme will never catch on.
Miles did nothing in secret wars except at the end of ulitmate end issue. Where he stopped at group of heroes from fighting.
Considering everyone else seems to agree on it except you, I don't really have to worry about it.
Ye
Still getting mad about stuff that happened years ago, huh?
TT has been a retarded kiddie franchise for decades now. Has nothing to do with comic books.
>everyone
Maybe on CBR, you retarded tranny.
>Can only identify artist if they're bad/disappointing
Wow, what a joyless fuck you must be. You're not a fan of any artists enough to recognize them? You're more obsessed with bitching about people than you are enjoying comics?
The tiki torches are out
Miles came out in 2011, and has always been boring, but has the "Spider-Man" named attached to his little brown ass so he got to ride off that for years until the Spiderverse film managed to salvage him.
Kamala Khan came out in 2013, and actually had a solid foundation, even if the Event tie-ins derailed her a bit. She's got the "Ms Marvel" name right when Captain Marvel is being pushed hard, and she gets brownie points for being a Muslim Girl in Current Year America.
I'd say it's partially timing, partially the name-branding, and in Kamala's case, partially having a solid foundation to lean back on.
>Kaine as the Scarlet Spider
>Tfw there will never be a mature rated cartoon about Kaine and Hummingbird
Well, to be fair, characters can be more or less appealing and interesting themselves.
For instance, I'm not really into space stuff, even less so if it's space opera and things with lots of planets and anthropomorphic races, therefore I was never really interested in any Green Lantern comics, regardless of who's writing them. By the same token, I'm more of a street level kinda guy so I've been able to enjoy some rather middling Batman comics.
Still, I agree with you that what makes or breaks a good comic are the authors and not the characters. A good writer can even do decent work with poor characters, while the opposite is just impossible.
>TT has been a retarded kiddie franchise for decades now.
Eh, it's not necessarily a bad thing. Not every comic has to be grimdark edgy """"adult"""" shit. Moon Girl falls into the same category, and although I think her comic's shitty, I can appreciate that they are targeting a demographic I'm not a part of.
The problem with most big two capeshittery is that they're not targeting any demographic. Nobody wants to read about tranny shit or about how borders are racist in the middle of their super hero picture books.
Kamala got ruined past her initial volume.
Tie-ins and shoving her into teams she obviously is too young to belong made it harder to follow her growth as a character.
In most team books she's straight up just Lisa Simpson of the team.
>Marvel has been losing an audience like Korra has been losing viewers on Nick.
korra was actually good. unlike ironheart or whatever
Travis strikes again or mhgu
I wish comics today would still be like this page. Holy fuck this is awesome.
The only halfway comparable stuff nowadays is what Tom Scioli puts out.
Buy Dong Freeze
Kaine was hilarious.
woah you got me bro, why don't you write about it in your gay comic book? oh wait
What other way? Ike was the one who pushed to kill the talent and hire on these talentless nobodies. This is literally "oh shit nigger what the fuck are you doing" and them telling us to go fuck ourselves for two decades because the short term gains were "working" but setting themselves up for long term failure.
You said this as if being good was some sort of easily achievable, objective thing.
The subject matter (social politics, bullying, whatever) doesn't really make a story good or bad. Actually, a lot of good comics involve social politics.
That "comics should be good" line is just empty criticism. It was the stock line of CasualGater's and when they started putting out their own stuff it was even worse than what they were criticizing.
I always think the problem is that everybody thinks for miles in bendis version.
Him wanted to be spiderman pushed by gawke
Him gets his suit made by nick fury
He goes back to being spiderman because gwen pimp slap him.
Heck, bendis write more about his dad than miles.
>two decades
I honestly, for the most part, don't really remember the 2000's being terrible for comics. Lots of generic shit, sure, but the full blown SJW shitshow didn't really seem to kick off until 2011.
>You said this as if being good was some sort of easily achievable, objective thing.
It was back when Jim Shooter and honest to god editors were around.
>Actually, a lot of good comics involve social politics.
Yeah and a lot of good ones didn't, or kept it to a fuckin minimum. I didn't read Spiderman in amazing fantasy for the god damned hot takes on the politcal structure, or read Jamie's Constantine for the fucking leftie hippy garbage, I went there for plot, character development, and a good god damned story parasite.
>That "comics should be good" line is just empty criticism.
No it fucking isn't you insane buffoon.
>using the word casualgate
So are you a smalltime shitposter or a retarded marixst liberal waste of human flesh? Either way you're a full time loser.
lol, december had fewer shipped comics than any month in recent memory, beating that doesn't constitute a recovery
>The tiki torches are out
That explains the dumpster fire that is the comic industry.
>gwen pimp slap him.
That was a good panel.
It started as early back as the 90s when this poison of an ideology took root in America, you can see little hints and trails starting from just after the speculator market crashed and the old guard started to get fired or leave.
It wasn't everywhere, but the infection took hold sometime soon after and the symptoms were cropping up. Ike firing the talent and hiring losers on for pennies sped things up.
If you want concrete stuff X books had a bit of it, much as I like the Gambit solo stuff he makes out with a tranny at the end among other things.
>No it fucking isn't you insane buffoon.
Saying "do it good" is something a retard with no real insight has. You are spouting casualgate talking points, and they can't "do it good", so obviously he has every reason to believe you're a casual idiot.
The most you seen to know is that editors help books, which Marvel had before Ike Perlmutter fired them all around 2005.
>SJWs fired from their journalists positions
>SJWs fired from Blizzard
>SJWs about to be fired from nuMarvel
It hasn't been a good year for those fuckers, but they deserve far worse.
I'm not reading this, I've already explained away your cop-out bullshit and I'm not even the guy you first responded to. You are the reason comics is dying, shitposting or being sincere aside. You are scum and not worth my time.
Ulitmate gwen was pretty hot during the miles arcs.
>I'm not reading this,
Good, I'll assume you realized you're retard.
Undo OMD, Make She-hulk smart and sexy again,Give Jessica Drew her classic costume back, Give Psylocke back her iconic look, and stop being prudey and sex negative about heroines and their costumes in general. There that's how to save marvel.
I guess back then it seemed to be the exception, and not the norm.
>Give Jessica Drew her classic costume back,
Who cares?
>Give Psylocke back her iconic look
There are some assholes who like her British. Let them have this a while.
All the shit you want will come and go, don't get hung up on little shit.
You can thank Sara Pichelli for that. And yeah, that's another reason to read Miles' book, but again, I'm not interested in a bunch of my favourite characters getting blacked.
They killed Ultimate Spidey for that shit.
>It was back when Jim Shooter and honest to god editors were around.
You mean Jim Shooter, the guy who put out the first Secret Wars? Was that objectively good too? He's put out a lot of decent comics but plenty of shit ones as well, because there isn't a formula and a list of do and don'ts that guarantee for a comic to be good.
>Yeah and a lot of good ones didn't, or kept it to a fuckin minimum.
Exactly, so the presence or lack of social politics in a comic book is not what makes it good or not, as you're admitting yourself. So why do you keep focusing on it?
>No it fucking isn't you insane buffoon.
Yes it is, because it's a simple tautology that doesn't involve any sort of constructive criticism. Imagine if you're trying to learn how to make a table but it always comes out crooked, so you asked a carpenter for advice and he says "well, you're making shitty tables. The secret is making them good". What the fuck did you learn from that? It's a pointless observation without any value whatsoever.
>using the word casualgate
I didn't use the word casualgate, I used the term CasualGaters to talk about a group that call themselves that, and it was to illustrate the point of how hollow the whole "comics should be good" thing is, since that was their main line of criticism and then they put out some really bad comics. I wasn't even discussing their ideology or anything of the sort so you can calm down with the buzzwords and ad hominems.
No, he's just talking out his ass. 90s comics were all about social messages all the time, but kids/teens read comics. Not old men and people who watch youtube channels of old men.
If you dropped a lot of 90s books in front of guys like that, he'll complain about SJWs ruining modern book. Because he doesn't honestly know the 90s.
That's some long ass neck.
Gwen got Riced and mj fucked peter
That version has been gone for three years now with no indication of being fixed anytime soon.
>X books had a bit of it
Oh yeah, the X books didn't have any overtly liberal politics in them until the 90s.
>Exactly, so the presence or lack of social politics in a comic book is not what makes it good or not
Not him, but the problem seems less like "politics in comics", and more "SJWs are so completely and utterly insane that they alienate everyone on every single other side of the political spectrum."
Back in the day, comics would interrupt your regularly scheduled program to say "don't do drugs, and also buy Hostess snacks", not "if you believe in borders you are a literal terrorist."
It's not even a matter of "I disagree", it's a matter of "You are quite literally insane."
>You mean Jim Shooter, the guy who put out the first Secret Wars? Was that objectively good too?
Yes? The fuck do you mean? Even if you subjectively don't think it's good it was objectively successful.
half the problem with current marvel is all these hacks throwing OCs at the wall and hoping some stick long enough to get a development deal. we dont need people who are gonna do the same, only harder.
Frank became black and half giraffe. It was a wild time.
>It's not even a matter of "I disagree", it's a matter of "You are quite literally insane."
They're insane because you disagree with them, right?
This has nothing to do with degeneracy or insanity, it's just poor writing. There's plenty of old comics that include clumsy writing like this and they're quite cringey when you go back and read it, even if whatever they're saying is reasonable and you agree with it.
I won't argue that the whole misgendering thing adds an extra layer of cringiness to it, but you could do a comic about the subject that's not as awful as this.
If anything, the criticism I'd make is that a lot of writers seem to think that the mere presence of social issues make a comic good and deep, and they don't even bother in how they're writing those things in.
But your line wasn't "comics should be successful" but "comics should be good".
Are you implying something being successful means it's good? Because Marvel is selling more than any other American comic book company, so it must mean that their comics are really good.
>you could do a comic about the subject that's not as awful as this.
Here's the thing:
Nobody fucking reads capeshit to be lectured about tranny bullshit, or whatever the dumb SJW issue of the week is.
Yet they keep inserting this retarded bullshit everywhere, even though nobody wanted it, and nobody likes it. All 3 trannies that read comics books have most likely already committed suicide by now.
>Nobody fucking reads capeshit to be lectured
That was my point, lecturing always comes off awful no matter what you're lecturing about. If they did a comic about trannies but managed to actually include the theme in a way that comes off as organic to the storytelling, that'd be a completely different thing. What people really don't want is to be talked down to.
>If they did a comic about trannies
Jesus man, no one wants to read that shit.
>You combine the 2 and you'd have the biggest board civil war in Yea Forums history
that would be actually a good thing, both Yea Forums and Yea Forums have been two of the largest shitholes of the site for years along Yea Forums, granted we there is /pol/ but guess what, those 3 had been cancer long before /pol/, if you managed to purge Yea Forums and Yea Forums you will fix two biggest problems this site have, now if we could fix moderation in the process...
Don't get phylosophical about what people define as good. I think Shooter's Secret Wars was good, it was successful, make more like that.
In fact, they fuck did in the 80's. And Beyonder is still used by Marvel to this day, just poorly.
Yea Forums is worse than either
>>Give Jessica Drew her classic costume back,
>Who cares?
I think the ne costume looks bad.
>>Give Psylocke back her iconic look
>There are some assholes who like her British. Let them have this a while.
A decent compromise, providing it's just them rehashing their old Psylocke/Kwannon plots and not them getting rid of her classic look because "cultural appropriation" bullshit. Though in addition to being asian again I'd want her back in a blue leotard which current marvel has a problem with.
Both of these are examples of marvel mucking up good looking superheroine designs along with dumb over muscled She-Hulk, and general aversion to "sexy" looks.
>I think Shooter's Secret Wars was good
So you like comics to be like what by Shooter's own admission was a rushed job just to sell toys. That's the quality comics you want?
What if the comic is good?
>What if the comic is good?
then you are a homosexual, congrats
>Marvel wants DC dead since its inception
>ends up closing down for good
Pottery.
they literally killed off rhodey with his 40 yr history in the book to make room for bendis to OC his daughter into a comic for like the 3rd time, and in her first issue, she literally asks to be oppressed so she has something to fight against lol
Toy Story 2 was almost direct-to-video sequel.
Hell, entire Gundam franchise exists for the sole purpose of selling toys. Art is all about surpassing the intentions of it authors so that its consumers get something out of it for themselves. Van Gogh drew paintings no one bought to get booze. Dostoevsky wrote novels to pay off gambling debts. What goes into production is related to what end product ends up being, but it shouldn't be related to what you get out of it.
What Van Gogh or Dostoyevsky did with the money they earned has nothing to do with the actual intent behind their work. You mentioned yourself that Van Gogh couldn't even sell his work, that's because his intent wasn't a commercial one, but to say whatever he wanted to say with his work.
In the case of Secret Wars, Shooter himself said that the only reason that comic exists was to sell toys, and that most of its elements, even the title itself, were included because Mattel told him to do so.
But even if we go by your opinion about the comic being good, it does nothing but prove that there isn't a single way, and a recipe for what makes a comic good or not, and that even things that are inspired by the most banal and shallow reasons like selling toys, can be good if the writer makes an effort to put it all together in a way that comes as organic storytelling instead of pushing an agenda, regardless of that agenda being gender politics or selling toys.
>What Van Gogh or Dostoyevsky did with the money they earned has nothing to do with the actual intent behind their work. You mentioned yourself that Van Gogh couldn't even sell his work, that's because his intent wasn't a commercial one, but to say whatever he wanted to say with his work.
Are you actually trolling? I couldn't read past second sentence because it gave me aneurysm.
Do you not know that Dostoevsky wrote novels to pay off gambling debts in a shitty magazine out of necessity or that Van Gogh COULDN'T sell his painting because no one bought them?
you probably think about expanding into general merchandise and introducing euro/japanese comics but you can bet your ass they will just fill the space with funkos
The theatres around me have tickets for other movies through Fandango. Whatever, tinfoils.
That's umpossible! Captain Marvel #1 (x7) sold so well last month!
>let me cherry pick some books to prove a point that doesn't exist
you are scum and you should go soak your head in some battery acid.
Not gonna bother reading your drivel since your blue haired types will argue till you're blue in the face, and goign by the much more intellligent replies you recieved un my way up from the bottom you're another lunatic with ears plugged full of cum.
Comics back then were good, full stop. This is objectively true no matter how your diseased tmblr tranny brain preceives it. They sold units in the millions, shops were everywhere, everyone could get on board with objectively good story telling. Again, no matter how many mental hooops you jump through there is objectively good and bad story telling with quantifiable characteristics, using the trite "art is subjective" bullshit won't let you get away with art house schlock here.
New marvel doesn't sell, it's not changing times, it's not that kids don't want comics anymore, it's you. If what I were saying is false, european and japanese comics wqouldn't sell as well as they do.
But you keep crying about how everyone else is wrong and not you while teh marvel comic's ship you hijacked sinks into the ocean. We fucking told you so, and you'll always be a stupid tranny clown unable to fathom why your garbage doesn't sell.
I can't see what's so confusing about my second sentence but English is a second language to me and you also seem intendedly obtuse to whatever you don't agree with.
I know artists have to live for their art, but there are those who do whatever other people ask them to do in order to get economic rewards, and there are those who still privilege their artistic vision above all. Van Gogh could've turned to do trendy paintings that he could've sold more easily but he didn't. And Dostoyevsky didn't compromise his writing to become more commercial or anything of the sort. He still wrote about whatever he wanted to write about.
>is wrong
>proven wrong
>NO U DA RETARD HURR
good job sparky! I'll slap that gold sticker on your helmet next time you get off the short bus!
Nigger are you dumb enough to confuse the speculator market with good comics? Because that's exactly what it sounds like you're doing.
MODERN MARXIST LIBERAL you shitstain, get it right before you snark off you discord tranny cum rag.
>Teen Titans
>Kiddie franchise
You may have had a point if it wasn't due to FUCK BATMAN
I actually read more European and South American comics than American ones, and when I do read any of the big two, I read a lot more DC than Marvel. And a bunch of European comics also have left wings politics but by your own admission, they sell well.
I also think that the whole misgendering/gender fluid/pronouns thing is mostly silly and laughable but I'm not gonna decide a comic is good or bad simply by dealing with the subject but by how it does it. The example that was posted earlier was certainly awful.
I also bought and read comics back in the 90s and still own most of them so I know how comics were back them, both the good and the bad, and I don't look back at them with rose tinted glasses.
Oh no, Dostoevsky had to abandon like 2 drafts of Crime and Punishment, he also had to make changes to his story to appeal publisher of magazine he was writing for guy named Katkov.
His original story called the Drunkards went from exploring alcoholism and its ramifications on children of alcoholics to exploration of radicalism and eventually became a novel.
>Thinks Marxism has anything to do with transexuals
>Complains about other people "getting it wrong"
Relying purely on buzzwords and ad hominems to address others doesn't make you look cool, buddy.
Do you really think that compares to Mattel telling Marvel they wanted some event to sell toys? Are you seriously comparing what went into writing Crime and Punishment to Secret Wars?
>They wouldn't shut down the comics because they're a farm for ideas
Are you certain? Because there's literal decades worth of material that they can work with from before the comics went to shit. They can literally just re-hash the same spider-man stories once every so often and get infinite money out of it while cutting out the fat from the comics. Familiarity sells, you don't need innovation when you have brands like Marvel's under your thumb.
Apparently.
My point is that all work, especially published one, is meant to be sold. Just because creator's intention is less fixated on being sold doesn't mean it magically for no reason at all makes it better as you claim for some reason and vice versa. There are too many variables, too many things that are impossible to predict or see coming to say that for sure.
People made a good movie about fucking Lego for fuck's sake.
>Honestly?
Who writes like this? Why?
/pol/ isn't sending their best
My issue is not that the work itself is being sold, but that in the case of Secret Wars, the purpose of the work was selling toys.
And still, I just sort of got sidetracked by this. My main point that was since you like this comic, it's more proof that regardless of how lame the agenda behind a certain work could be, it can still turn out into a product that you could enjoy to some extent, as long as it's written properly. You could say "it was a good comic but I didn't agree with X". The problem with these new comics is that they think that having a certain agenda can replace actual writing, so if you don't agree with whatever they're saying you just have nothing left to enjoy from the comic.
Honestly? People just do that.
Now you get what I was trying to say, although not fully. I never claimed your issue was that work is being sold, you seem to uphold "real vision" of artist to high value and maybe think that dumbing it down to sell is inherently a bad thing. It's sometimes a good thing too, look at George Lucas, Phantom Menace happened because it was his vision and no one could tell him no, so we got fucking Nute Gunray toys.
No, Star Wars New Hope became a classic because someone came up to George Lucas and said "making Han Solo an alien wouldn't be marketable".
There is never a definitive answer to that and because Jim Shooter made something to sell toys doesn't diminish his work in any way. Even if he thinks it's crap. It gave us symbiote for fuck's sake which lead to creation of Venom.
Wait, is it this Matthew McGloin?
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Hollow Knight is pretty good and only about $15 if I'm not wrong
>fucking commies trying to tell me racism is bad and putting niggers in my books!!! this wasn't like in the good old days when upstanding men were writing the funnybooks without any pandering!!
What movies? What series? Fiege wants nothing to do with Ike's comics / tv side. Marvel TV is getting cucked hard with Netflix cancelling everything and real MCU series being made for Disney+.
Disney is already farming out real actual Marvel IPs. It's not long now, lads.
good fucking riddance
>Your new favorite book
My new favorite book is Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, not this.
>If you don't like libshit, you're from the deepest part of /pol/'s anus
Libshit is a fad and most sensible people, regardless of religion or race, are fucking tired of it
I hope so
>characters are meant to change and have arcs
not in monthly superhero comics they aren't, you stupid fucking contrarian retard
I agree with you on this one. However, while that may be what Miles wants, and kudos to that part of his character if its consistent, his creators, the company than owns him, and a lot of the people that like him only care that he's the non-white spiderman.
Its a shame, really.
This is the only way Marvel could be saved, but Brevoort and Amanat need to go as well, else one of them just takes the EIC job and nothing changes. The entire editorial staff needs to go, along with most of their writers.
You are literally fucking retarded. Punisher being black was not political AT ALL. You clearly never read the fucking comic.
REMINDER THAT ISSUE BOMBED AND WAS UNKNOWN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC UNTIL THE INTERNET ERA WHEN SJW VIRTUED SIGNALLED IT INTO FAME
>entire thread is sjws apologizing for Marvel and saying there's nothing wrong with sjw propaganda in comics
this is why Yea Forums is the most hated board
>everyone that disagrees with me is an SJW
saving marvel is easy. just stop with the sjw shit. seriously nobody wants hear about your retarded leftwing politics. just stop it.
stop demonizing all white men, stop constantly pushing feminism and race mixing, stop writing all your white male characters as either idiots or losers so that your female and minority characters can look better in comparison. cut back on comics. instead of 5 x-men series just have 3 and put more effort into those. write them more like mangas, so a clear vision of several years on where the story should head instead of one stupid even after another, make each issue more special, don´t rush things, if that means you have to spent 2 whole issues just on a fight scene or deep dialogue between several characters then do it.
Most importantly improve the art and bring back fanservice/cheesecake
worst case scenario
Disney closes Marvel and tells IDW to relaunch the universe again with all the stupid movie set up and with all the recent sjw characters put in the focus
it´s called Yea Forumsmblr for a reason
it is also the reason why Yea Forums is so slow and small even through super heroes have never been more popular.
if comics weren´t as infected by sjws as they are they Yea Forums would easily be bigger then Yea Forums or Yea Forums
people have to be culture war fags who believe the sole and only problem in comics is essjaydubbyas or else you cry foul.
>exhibit A, more snowflake behavior
I am pretty sure that 99% of all indie comics are actual loses. the companies don´t carry those loses but the writers do.
so writing a indie comic isn´t a job it´s more like an investment that can turn into a profit or a loss
no the problem with miles is that their is zero originallity to him
he is just black spider-man
a character that was solely designed to replace peter parker for race reasons.
just make a new black boy superhero but stop with trying to replace established characters
