How would Marvel be different if he had lived?

How would Marvel be different if he had lived?

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Hard to say, I guess Marvel would look more like they give a shit about their past. But it's hard to tell if he would still be in control if Quesada ended up being the favored person to become EIC.

It wouldn't. He would have been fired by Jemas who had favored Quesada's approach of less continuity and more emphasis on new creators.

>Gru finally gets the chance to make his DC fanfiction official
;_;7

This. I can see him getting canned around the early 00's and picked up by DC, with them being a lot more accepting of Mark's advice. He probably would've steered us clear of Identity Crisis.

He was pretty much being dropped to the bottom of the ladder by the time he died. He had no place anymore in the shitty, passionless direction Marvel was going in at that time.
He actually was offered an editorial position at DC and turned it down out of loyalty for the company, and he truly believed that Marvel needed people like him then more than ever to stick with them through the darkest times.

And that's how Marvel treated its most passionate, loyal employees at the time, they passed him over for any sort of promotion, shoved him in a dusty corner, and stole his book from him to pass to the flavor of the month talentless hack who had already stabbed the company in the back and trashed them publicly.

>He actually was offered an editorial position at DC and turned it down out of loyalty for the company

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>and stole his book from him to pass to the flavor of the month talentless hack who had already stabbed the company in the back and trashed them publicly.

Huh?

Well actually I was sort of wrong since Mark Waid had taken over Captain America already by that time, but for Heroes Reborn they outsourced a lot of their books to Image people and told their in-house writers to go fuck themselves, and Cap was given to Rob Liefeld.

The legend (that is actually true) is that Gru took the first issue of Liefeld's Cap home with him to read the day he died.

Yeah, I was wondering what you were talking about because I don't recall Waid stabbing Marvel in the back during the early 90's. By that point Gru wasn't writing Captain America anymore.

Rob Liefeld. And this is what happened:
>Before Gruenwald left for his weekend home on August 9, he grabbed a preview copy of Rob Liefeld’s Captain America #1. It was Gruenwald’s favorite Marvel character; until a few months earlier, he’d either written or edited every issue since 1982. On Monday morning, rumors started flying around the offices, confirmed by an 11 a.m. email from Terry Stewart. “It’s with my deepest and most profound regret that I inform you that Mark Gruenwald passed away unexpectedly early today at home,” the note began. The cause of death was a heart attack.

Shit, I would have loved to see Gru at DC.

Based Gru

See
Gru was already long off the book (like a year) before the book was given to Liefeld. Waid was writing the book before Liefeld got it.

>Yeah, I was wondering what you were talking about because I don't recall Waid stabbing Marvel in the back during the early 90's.

Spending much of the late 1990s complaining about Marvel, that is something he did do a lot of.

>He actually was offered an editorial position at DC and turned it down out of loyalty for the company, and he truly believed that Marvel needed people like him then more than ever to stick with them through the darkest times.

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Not very. He wouldn't have lasted as EiC (if he even got it) considering the state of the company at the time and the job would've probably still gone to someone like Quesada anyway who had newer ideas.

Guessing he would've moved over to DC some time between '98 and '00, gotten some mid-level or lower level work for a bit and be phased out like Ordway and others of his generation by the time of Infinite Crisis. He'd just continue working in places and on things nobody knows about i.e. Stern and such and maybe gets trotted out by Marvel for a backup story in an anniversary special or something timed to a movie release for anything Cap or Cosmic if at all.

I mean the guy's the "Patron Saint of Marveldom" and they sure as shit do a poor job of making his stuff outside of Squadron Supreme and random Cap arcs available in TPBs and whatever. He'd be just another forgotten and ignored older creator like all the other guys who helped shepherd Marvel through the '80s and early '90s.

>He probably would've steered us clear of Identity Crisis.
He absolutely wouldn't. When DiDio wants something he'll do everything he can to get his way whether it be Identity Crisis or the current Heroes in Crisis era of DC. Gru would just wind up like Stern, Thomas, Ordway and so many others from that time period. A dusty relic tossed out and forgotten which is much more an indictment of Marvel and DC than it is trying to shit on someone like Gru.

Rob gets so mad every time someone brings this up

>Not very. He wouldn't have lasted as EiC (if he even got it) considering the state of the company at the time and the job would've probably still gone to someone like Quesada anyway who had newer ideas.

Marvel's bankruptcy at the time means that if someone else had got the job instead of Harras, they would likely have had little choice but to do similar to him, play it safe and focus on holding on to the audience they still had left. Someone like Gru would have tried to police continuity better, but would still have been forced out by Jemas. If the Marvel Knights deal was arranged by people above editorial level, it would probably still be Quesada who replaced him.

>imagine people blaming your work for causing a man's death
>imagine that man was the man who gave you one of your first big breaks into the industry

Can't imagine why this would get him angry.