Does anyone else think that anime is a bad influence on showrunners right now?
It seems like so many western animated shows are just trying to be anime ripoffs and end up not being their own thing.
It feels like executives gave shows to those nerdy weeb kids in high school that wore fox tails to school.
also does anyone else just not really like anime in general
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Not just showrunners but animation in general, to the point wher there's people unironically praising 80s Saturday morning cartoons because they kind of look like anime
Yes, I agree.
>80s Saturday morning cartoons because they kind of look like anime
mostly because they actually were at the time outsourced to the japanese which then outsourced to the koreans who then outsourced it to china who outsourced it to africans and indians.
>”i don’t like anime”
>3 replies
>”i want to lick [cartoon character]’s feet!”
>200 replies
you speak the honest truth user, sadly know one is going to listen to you
I agree. I was trying to get into OK KO but the anime references were all over the place. And I thought Steven Universe's references were bad. I also hated how they kept saying "sowwy" instead of sorry. I don't think that's an anime reference, but I still don't know what that was all about. It was just annoying and grating.
it's sore-ey like how canadians say it because of canadian cartoons I guess
It's because all the shitty old anime dubs were done with cheap Canadian VA
Anime is the largest part of animation in general so it's a natural effect.
I'm hoping the French makes it big in influence next by making big hits, but it's a small chance.
Not really, I just wish they more than surface level elements from anime. Like more interesting cinematography and staging, solidly constructed characters and more solid drawing in general, etc. Mind you these are universal animation principles (that most anime fail at), but it just seems a lot of showrunners take influence from specific iconography and character designs and leave it at that, while still drawing blobby, flat stuff.
Ah, I see. It's still really annoying. Nothing else is said in a Canadian accent, not that I noticed.
Nah, all the people making these shows today were young and influential back in the early 00's when anime was fucking huge and on every channel as the most amazing thing ever seen. They all made plans to have their own animes some day and this is what er get 18 years later.
I don't like or understand anime, all the ones I've watched are super weird and hard to watch.
That being said, I don't think animators being influenced by anime is bad, I love Steven Universe, but there's definitely too much anime inspired shit right now.
>anime is hard to understand
What?
It's good when creators draw inspiration from it and try to improve upon it.
It's bad when they use it and just recreate it 1:1 without any thought of how it will affect the story or the characters.
the fans of those shows are also mostly weebs. you are just a super minority Yea Forums bigot so dont notice it. genuine "cartoon fans" dont exist outside Yea Forums and probably small reddit subs.
I genuinely don't get anime. It's all either over-the-top fighting or lolis just living their lives. It's so bland, uninspired, and unoriginal. How do people stomach it?
It's not that anime is bad, but that it's when nobody wants to try anymore with traditional animation outright giving up on the industry is what is bad.
Can't I boil everything down to something really simplified and bland?
It's like if I said all cartoons are le ebin wacky faces when anyone who actually believes that has a double-digit IQ.
I don't think so. Anime does a lot of things right that western animation gets wrong so it's nice seeing them learn from each other.
>Anime does a lot of things right that western animation gets wrong
Such as?
>"god I hate SU for being such an anime ripoff!"
>favourite cartoon is ATLA
ATLA had a compelling story and was written well. Most anime I've seen has neither of those.
ATLA was influenced by anime. SU ripped off anime scene by scene and sometimes frame by frame. Big difference.
ATLA ripped off anime way harder than SU
the whole story is generic anime story #210843
Reminder that Anime=Donald Duck
>the whole story is generic anime story #210843
You can call ATLA generic all you damn want to. It never ripped off a specific show as lazy and unoriginal as SU did.
not op of last post, but i do feel like at least for television animation, there’s more effort put into staging and just setting up a scene in general that makes it feel a bit more “cinematic”, if you will.
no it just ripped off the whole shonen genre to a T
Being generic is way less worse than actually stealing from a specific show. ATLA did it's own thing, SU was just sugar fangirling about anime she liked.
That's because of differences in animation cost
having modelsheets
The bigger problem is Sucrose and Ian being hacks, anyone with a brain can make subtler references and homages
>“___ is cute!”
>”This is ____. Say something nice about them.”
>”what do you think about ____”
>426 replies
SU and OK KO are the only shows that have the "no model" approach to animation
All of those are template threads that should be deleted on sight regardless if western or anime.
>no you see SU is a way worse offender because every 20 episodes maybe there will be a vague quick reference to an anime like the Athena lunge or something
The word "hack" is fast becoming the next "calarts"; a retarded nonargument that means nothing and is used by gay people
The most emotional scenes that we're supposed to take seriously are just referencing anime. That's how it always is with steven universe. Nobody can take it seriously when sugar herself isn't trying to think up something original.
That's not really true, Steven is many things, but a generic shonen anime protagonist isn't one of them. He's emotionally fragile, fails multiple times and ultimately resorts to pacifism whenever possible. Compare him to the likes of Goku, Luffy or Ichigo, or even more beta protags like Shinji and Deku and he doesn't really fit. SU is definitely inspired by anime, but it takes that inspiration and goes in a very different direction that pretty unique for anime and even more so for western animation.
There are references to anime scenes, sure, but references are common in almost all cartoons, especially western cartoons which have been riding on popular references all the way back to the Looney Tunes.
90% of the time it's the exact same scene you can find in a dozen previous anime. Anime looks good and has some interesting ideas but they steal from each other and copy everything from scenes to jokes to exact personalities to entire premises. You know how Johnny Test was a Dexter's Lab ripoff but worse? Imagine that a few shows just like that every year. That's anime and there's only a few that stand out every year and then get forgotten a few years later.
Also because animators and mangaka get paid for shit and many of them work themselves to death to make a living. It's alarming how many mangaka pass away at young ages. I forget which mangaka said it but he talked about many of his peers were proud of their insane schedules and a lot of them died from overworking themselves.
what scenes are you even talking about
obviously Rose's tape looking like Faye's, disregarding the actual contents of the tape being completely different, and what? Steven and Connie falling in Mindful Education looks like a Miyazaki film or whatever the hell Yea Forums sperged about? what else you got
Shinji is way tougher than steven. Steven just cries and the gems do the fighting for him.
you havent watched "non-anime-influenced" cartoons anyway have you
most of those are try-hard "too western" cartoons with shitty shoddy 3d models or "look at this. so historic so abstract so contextual" artsy pretentious ones. those are more fake and empty.
Well Steven did give himself up to Homeworld, accepting his execution if not for Lars being there. He's got some balls at least.
>complaining about anime inspiration when Yea Forums's favorite cartoons are teen titans and avatar
Stop saying nonsense
And both of those are significantly better than steven universe.
Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy
Flapjack
Chowder
Spongebob Squarepants
>inb4 sometimes tries to argue they're anime-inspired because they had one episode parodying an anime show
I didn't say they weren't.
I'm just pointing out the gross level of hypocrisy.
The worst parts of those shows were when they tried being like anime with the weird animu faces.
Nah, Steven was pretty pumped to fight monsters and will willingly throw himself in danger to save other people. His only real hesitation came when he was up against normal gems because he's a pacifist. Hell, even then he did what he needed to do.
that's like 20% of Teen Titans runtime right there
No, those parts were fun and were a great way to provide comic relief without interrupting the flow of the story
i’m not talking about the majority of garbage isekai or harem shit. It’s disingenuous to act like as if every piece of media doesn’t cop shots from other films or tv shows and only anime does this. Who cares if the nice stuff that does well gets forgotten after a few years, that doesn’t negate its quality.
We barely get new cartoons over here compared to the dozen of anime every season. A ton of it is hot garbage but you’re bound to get more hits of good content than having the same shit on tv for four years before it’s cancelled.
t. weeb
Anime website
t. little baby boy who thinks anime faces are good comic relief
wholesome
youtube.com
>user actually enjoying stuff and not sperging at every little thing
>weeb
I'm not a weeb, I just think visual comedy is very much underused and underappreciated. It allows you to add levity without impacting the writing and interrupting the story
I think the underlying issue was that they slowly forgot about the gem monsters. Steven is fully willing to fight monsters, as there's simply no way of dealing with them besides fighting them until they can be subdued. It was a pretty big part of his character, and it was really stupid that they got rid of it
there's visual comedy and there's a character making a face, having the camera zoom in on them, then having a music sting play
Anime has a good number of hits but that's just due to the sheer volume of shit that follows it. Every season there's a dozen new shows and only one or two are good, a couple are a guilty pleasure in some way, and the rest are unforgettable trash that most people drop after a year or stick with it because of the "plot." And even after that a show will be forgotten almost always. Most of them, no matter how good, get a season. OPM finally getting a second season after how long?
Western animation, for all it's shortcomings, at least attempts something different. That's why that Unikitty knockoff got some people's attention. Such blatant attempts at copying a show is only really seen in anime. And let's not even talk about manga. Holy shit it's like one person taking a test and making copies of it and handing to everyone else in the class to turn in as well.
>Implying that these cartoons can happen today in the post 2008 American culture
based
and why's that
Yea Forums is always shitting on Teen Titans.
>Steven and KO are anime ripoffs
of what?
story and characterwise, not design because "anime style" is not really a style as much as it is homogenization.
I don't know, I don't watch anime. But even me, someone who never watches anime, can see how heavily they're leaning on anime influences for their shows.
>Anime has a good number of hits but that's just due to the sheer volume of shit that follows it.
i literally said that. None of that has anything to do with what I said about shot composition, you autist.
You can say the same shit about capeshit and every newspaper cartoon about a quirky kid saying the darndest things.
Let me ask you: Do you have autism or something?
It's not gonna be bad forever. After a while people will leave and take the best elements of anime with the best elements of Western cartoons.
The problem about it is they try to be anime, but half-ass it because western animation is lazy and cheap nowadays and fill it with shallow references to surface layer anime to let you know the people working on has watched anime.
It's like a bootleg of anime.
The only good anime-inspired show was the Boondocks. This can't be refuted.
Having an actual plot. I'm gonna get shit for this but how many Western cartoons have actual interesting plots or world building? The anime Western combinations not included, Danny phantom is the only recent one with an interesting plot
The issue is shit like SU, WBB or OKKO draw "inspiration" from the most surface level superficial aspects of anime.
They're not drawing from the way anime can tell stories, or the way it overcomes taboos or subtly comments on politics.
They're drawing from the powers or visual designs and hamfisting it into their soulless show.
To put it in a context Yea Forums could understand, imagine if people drew "inspiration" from cape comics but only watched MCU movies and tried to hamfist shit from that into their shows.
Japan's animation industry is literally a PASSION industry, you break your ass for bare minimum return and you do it with a smile. The animators are people who are fans of anime themselves and do it for the love of the medium.
America's animation industry is not the same, it's full of people who want top dollar for their tumblr doodles, and as a result we get 3 shows a year that somehow still look like shit 90% of the time.
Says the user getting mad over "shot composition?" I think you need to calm down. Argue about whatever you want, anime is almost always borrowed content from shows that came out before it. Which is actually a problem that both shows in the OP have in common.
Really, is this your first day here? Anime-related threads routinely hit bump limit. They're almost as cancerous as the fetish threads.
>Holy shit it's like one person taking a test and making copies of it and handing to everyone else in the class to turn in as well.
That's because Japan pumps out as much manga in one year than America makes comics in a decade, it's absolute insanity and it's unavoidable to see loads of similar content.
>Japan's animation industry is literally a PASSION industry, you break your ass for bare minimum return and you do it with a smile
>you do it with a smile
hahahahhahaha
>how many Western cartoons have actual interesting plots or world building?
Nearly any action show? Problem is that they're on the decline because they're not profitable enough for network execs.
Am I wrong? Try to construct a sentence next time, Pablo.
Yes you are.
No, I imagine many aren't happy with living off scraps. We see time and time again from stories of animators and high rate of suicide.
>Young Justice
>Green Lantern
>Generator Rex
>Transformers Prime
>Tron
>Beware The Batman
>Avengers Earth Might Heroes and other Marvel cartoons
And more just this decade. You just don't watch cartoons.
i’m not mad about that. i’m frustrated the user wasn’t talking about it at all and just complained about anime as a whole. It’s not hard to stay on topic.
And the problem with the shows in OP is that they directly lift shots rather than do things inspired by it. There’s a difference between being inspired by something and lifting it just because. No doubt anime does that, but the same could be said about any media.
An actual story. Better character designs. No cringe identity politics shoved in your face. Characters -- while can suffer from archetypes -- usually have more life to them than most western animated characters. Anime is also not afraid to give its audience sex-appeal. And the culture anime is rooted from is so different from ours, it gives a different experience from what you can expect from the west. Call me a weeb if you must, but anime just does it so right.
They aren't happy with yet this has been the industry standard for several decades, yet they still continue to do it.
Japanese people aren't retarded on average, they know what they're getting into. You don't become an animator to make a good living unless you are at the top most percent, most do it knowing they're going to have a rough time but do it because they love anime.
Not saying they would rather change it, but they're clearly not going on strikes, boycotting, or you know, just not entering the field, so they're getting more than they lose out of it, you ignorant twat.
>anime is mostly still shots with mouth flaps while cartoons have lots of fluid animation
- Parrot who definitely doesn't watch anime and might not even watch cartoons
Show me a single western-animated fight scene that can even match anime sakuga? Here's a protip: You literally can't.
>because they love anime
this is true
many get into it out of love of anime, I'd say most actually. I think it'd be the same here in the west. but anyways I don't believe many of them fully realize how shit the lifestyle is thus the sad tales and suicides.
>but they're clearly not going on strikes, boycotting
they're nips
Inb4 someone posts a scene from the fucking 1900s
it’s been the standard for decades of a broken system. The way they work is from the 50s when tezuka was the only one making shit. this is like saying disney’s model of having one animator designated to animating specific characters is productive (its not).
Just because they wanted to work in something they love doesn’t mean they should be ok with being treated like shit.
>sakura
what is with weebs and adopting japanese words when describing anime lmao
>but anyways I don't believe many of them fully realize how shit the lifestyle
Maybe if this was the 80s/90s but they absolutely do now.
Not to mention being a mangaka is just as bad.
It's really not some secret.
That's not in any way anime's fault, that's just showrunners being terrible
I never said about what is or isn't okay.
But the fact they're willing to put up with it while Americans aren't is why Japan will ALWAYS have a superior animation industry.
It's literally a matter of them working harder for less.
>Still manages to craft a cohesive story and memorable characters and designs while cartoons can't manage that at all without falling over itself if it even attempts to.
>Anime has a good number of hits but that's just due to the sheer volume of shit that follows it. Every season there's a dozen new shows and only one or two are good
Well every year we get about a dozen shows total and maybe if we're lucky one of them is good
show me where anyone in this thread said that
anime shows have higher budgets and western animators aren't as skilled
there's more to a show than animation budget lol
they know it's bad, but they don't realize how bad it truly is until after they're living it. basic human behaviour. being a mangaka is really shitty too; even when you're lucky and your series takes off in popularity, the work is still overwhelming.
>show me where anyone in this thread said that
When did I say someone in this thread said it? It is a common phrase uttered by Yea Forums though, especially in these threads, so I beat it to the punch.
Everything is referenced from something. If not anime, then some previous cartoon or tv series. You can just say that you dislike anime references that you may or may not have actually seen to understand that it's a reference, but let's not write off referencing anime in general.
Now, for Cartoon Network in particular, I think people generally agree that their shows look like hot garbage for one reason or another, I personally assume because they might be the poorest network of the main three. Looking like hot garbage does not necessarily mean they're not enjoyable. Yea Forums loves flash cartoons and independent animators. A good portion of anons do not pay a cable or streaming service, and thus do not have any monetary investment in the quality of the shows they consume. Thus, CN shows looking/being "bad" should not play as much factor into the enjoyment/unenjoyment as they like to imagine.
You didn't even quote the word right
Honestly, western "animation" in its current should just be killed. It's a mockery to the field.
i couldn't care less
>anime shows have higher budgets
Than western cartoons? No they absolutely do not.
Give me a better word to describe those untalented losers.
>gay
where do you think you are
>memorable characters
Most anime can't do that
well then japanese animators work harder/are more talented than western animators on average
what does it matter? that wasn't the point of this thread
>anime shows have higher budgets
Actually, it's the opposite. The difference is the animators in Japan have more talent and discipline.
same with eastern animation
it's a literal mockery to what it once was
the fact that you’re excusing it is basically saying it’s ok. they have a “superior” industry due to the fact there’s an actual demand for animation. the system itself is skewed towards the production commitie rather than the studios themselves which is a huge difference compared to the US industry.
Kyoani is one of the few studios that has a set wage and decent pay from what i’ve heard, and with that they stil make good work. same goes with ghibli.
Wrong.
There are more good shows coming out now than in the 90s, take it from someone who actually watches it.
You're talking to a libertarian, user.
If Japs wanna break their backs making anime for cheap, then by god I want them to do it, especially when it allows me to watch as much shit as I want.
That show is literally from 5 years ago. It also wasn't very popular
I loved Flip Flappers, definitively anime of 2016
when a new anime comes out there's a 1/1000 chance it will be watchable, much less good. and a 80% chance the look of the show will be the same processed shit you've seen a dozen times over already.
>take it from someone who actually watches it
you just watch whatever is recommended to you.
The average western animator:
>Get paid millions to put their squiggles they call characters in flash and inject politics in episodes and insult people on Twitter.
The average eastern animator.
>Work tirelessly for hours with less pay with no breaks to bring their passion project to life and could very well bring themselves to their grave.
and 5 years later we still see that same face plastered in every other anime
can’t wait till every animator dies from over work and nobody can find animators since there’s already a shortage of them. you won’t be able to watch anime then. glad to know i’m talking to a retard!
>when a new anime comes out there's a 1/1000 chance it will be watchable, much less good. and a 80% chance the look of the show will be the same processed shit you've seen a dozen times over already.
Yeah, we're getting 100+ shows a year, even with 80-90% of it being shit that's still more good coming out in the 90s.
>you just watch whatever is recommended to you
Wrong, but even if that was true I have a feeling I'd still be watching more than what you do.
Teen titans go looks more interesting than the shit on the left.
>since there’s already a shortage of them.
[Citation needed]
WBB juggles wanting to be iyashikei comedy with needing to be a wacky American comedy show.
Do you know the western example is fan work, right? Dumb weeb.
i don't get why people seem to think this is all some hack thing and not the blatant product of these show runners growing up with the broadcasting of anime in the west and early internet culture. i mean shit rebecca is only 31, ian is 34.
nice to see our friendly neighborhood Yea Forumsutists being invasive as ever.
Does it really matter when that's still what R&M looks like?
Ah yes, praise the slave labor. The Japanese animation industry provides a very healthy environment for its primary workforce. Of course the standard "everyone get along" mantra for a children's show is considered as (liberal) politics for intellectuals like yourself.
>Ah yes praise people who actually care about the medium beyond their pockets
Yes we will.
>Of course the standard "everyone get along" mantra for a children's show is considered as (liberal) politics for intellectuals like yourself.
You're pathetic.
Nice statistics, totally not exaggerated at all.
true Yea Forums keeps to themselves, or shitposts with reaction images of little anime girls. Their own board has been invaded by shounenshitters for years now.
Buy the blu-rays, loser.
Hell no.
I do buy plenty of figures though.
That is what they deserve
it is an exaggeration, well done
but it's the true
there's an endless torrent of shit being spewed out
This
I just wanted to say Zombieland saga was anime of the year.
fuck off weeb
Nah
>young and influential
Rebecca was 13 (forgivable for the time) and Ian was 16 (too old to watch japanese cartoons)
>Does anyone else think that anime is a bad influence on showrunners right now?
No, rather the fact that they all seem to draw from the same pool of shows everyone watched back in the day. If they were referencing shows like the Irresponsible Captain Tylor, Votoms or Getter Robo, I doubt you'd have nearly as much of a problem.
>vague
>quick
>blatant ripoff of well known anime scenes
>shot-for-shot stolen animation of anime fight scenes
hack has been through the test of time and could be a complement to these retards
just because calarts has run its course, doesn't mean your faggot-ass can dictate everything will
if you're seriously so blind to it, you're just part of the problem
how the fuck are they not vague and quick
a 2 second lunge in a 30 second fight sequence in a 12 minute episode
or the 5 second Evangelion shot in a filler episode
Why would you draw from anime in storytelling when you could draw from actual intelligent mediums like literature and film?
The most embarrassing part of this thread is that people think anime invented stories, world building and character development
>Steven Universe
Magical girl shows
>OK KO
shonen
i was LITERALLY SHAKING when Regular Show did
>pic related
like i feel light-headed just looking at it, what were they thinking????? THIS IS THE DEATH OF WESTERN ANIMATION STAND UP Yea ForumsMRADS
In Avatar it was justified due to the worldbuilding clearly being inspired by Japanese culture.
In Teen Titans it was awful. It was a SUPERHERO show (There are few things that are more common in western culture than capeshit) that for some reason had forced anime faces and a movie where they go to Tokyo and fight Godzilla. No wonder they later went full WAFFLES WAFFLES WAFFLES and FUCK BATMAN.
>Avatar it was justified due to the worldbuilding clearly being inspired by Japanese culture.
There was nothing Japanese in Avatar. It was Chinese and Indian culture
I like waffles
In part you are right, I should have said Asian cultures. In the other part you are wrong because the Fire Nation is literally just Imperial Japan.
Samurai Jack season 5 had some great ones between Jack & the daughters of Aku, as well as original SJ between Jack & the ninja
Nox vs Grougaloragran was fantastic and Dofus the film was full of them
Clone Wars' Grievous fight was god-tier
those are just three off the top of my head
>Their own board has been invaded by shounenshitters for years now.
And before that it was moefags, and before that it was just basic snobs. Yea Forums's always been shit, what's your point?
I love cartoons, but I agree
pretty much everything that's on the air looks terrible
>Actually, it's the opposite. The difference is the animators in Japan have more talent and discipline.
While it's true they probably have more talent, it's also true they are probably treated as slaves. After all, Rockstar didn't make gigantic games by being good with their employees.
I don't think the setting is the "problem" with ATLA, but rather how it takes heavy inspiration from general shonen storytelling/tropes.
But the great thing about ATLA is, likely because it was written by western folks, they kept things more simple and instead focused on character rather than making the setting needlessly bloated as tends to happen in shonenshit.
Uh, I was actually defending Avatar, I see all the inspirations more or less justified. The one I criticized was Teen Titans.
>it takes heavy inspiration from general shonen storytelling/tropes.
Not really. The hero journey and other tropes weren't invented by anime. This is like saying Star Wars and Lord of the Rings take inspiration from shonenshit
Star Wars and Lord of the Rings are distinctly different from shonen, obviously. Can't say the same for ATLA.
You wouldn't say that if Avatar had a different artstyle.
it's not vague because it's obvious and it's not quick even if it's only 30 seconds
stop defending their laziness
because the only literature these philistines read are YA novels like harry potter and the only films they watch are popcorn flicks like the MCU movies
why is every modern showrunner so young?
what happened to life experience?
I'm unironically more interested in the robin on the right
Cause they just pick these kids out of college for low pay, then hire their friends, etc
it isn't 30 seconds, more like single digit seconds
i'd be shitting on SU too if they ripped off the plot to anime but Yea Forums anons expecting me to share in their outrage over a... 2 second lunge? are delusional. might as well throw a fit at every instance of the Akira slide while you're at it too.
I blame Jhonen Vasquez and nepotism
Jhonen proved that a show that can gain cult status can come from someone so young
nepotism got these two faggots in the door
>Greg Weisman
>Aaron Ehasz
>Butch Hartman
>Bryke (if he counts)
Does anybody have more?
>2 second lunge
try multiple scenes from that fight, faggot
then again, you're just deflecting with "muh two second lunge" defense
also people make fun of the shows that do the Akira slide (hence the meme image of everything ripping it off)
He's kinda right, though.
A lot of manga and anime by proxy has some obtuse lore that is often never explained or developed. Western cartoons on the other hand often pander to kids so they keep the story easily digestible or even add unnecessary expositions.
Not saying one is better than the other but it's not hard to see the difference. Well written work should be neither obtuse nor demeaning.
>try multiple scenes from that fight, faggot
i thought it was only that one lunge because the rest of the fight looks like ass
>also people make fun of the shows that do the Akira slide
no one calls it a rip off, it's a "homage" to them
Does this count as east vs west or it's just a weeb bait thread?
>Lunge
>flip
>running
those three were all ripped off, but I think the lunge is the only thing that was directly stolen from the animation
I'm also pretty sure the slide is from something, but I've never been able to tell what
>no one calls it a rip off
I do
>Believing DR3 is better than any of those cartoons
Wew, lad
Most good cartoons of the last 00s were anime influenced
Danny Phantom, American Dragon, Ben 10
I think you're just mad because you're getting actual anime influences rather than crappy rip offs
Sugar didn't have any industry connections besides john k. who was like an anti-connection, and ian made genuinely good shit like rpg world and nockforce before he did ok ko
The hero's journey is such a broad term that it might as well not mean anything.
You post this shit every thread and it continues to be stupid
2-5 anime look fucking awful though
Exactly
Danny phantom was influenced by comic books, not anime
I'd argue with you but that's a pretty cute snek
>Danny Phantom, American Dragon, Ben 10
>anime influences
This board is retarded.
Every time I read one of these threads I'm reminded of how little both Yea Forumsutists and whatever the fuck Yea Forums people are know about the people and pipeline behind animation
I think one thing thats also happening is that because of the sheer astronomical amount of anime that comes out every year compared to western cartoons, is that anime just has the opportunity to branch out into so many more stories and settings that its harder to create a series without someone finding a comparison to anime.
Regular show actually had pretty good anime parodies, because they made it a point that they were parodies instead of """"""homages"""""""
>entire episode blatantly about wanking Evangelion and parodying its scenes is ok, but a 5 second "homage" in an otherwise original episode isn't acceptable
alrighty
Nope. Just like a wise man said long time ago: "A Great Power comes with a Great responsibility". You can use this power to do the good thing or the evil thing.
For example: I have read that McHale's original ending for OTGW was that Wirt decided to stay in the unknown with Beatrice while Greg was supposed to return to home, if that's so then pic related was probably the main inspiration for McHale behind this story (he watches anime too). In the scene represented by Pic Related, Battler (Dante) jumps to the sea looking for Beatrice. Maybe this idea inspired the whole concept of Wirt and Greg being under the water.
i unironically enjoy OKKO commitment with references. The show is basically Kappa Mickey style with their references.
SU and WBB are just on another level of disgusting stuff. SU is basically Greg Land and WBB its reference because meme.
ok, I dropped regular show but this makes me want to watch it again
Whenever people cry about TTGO they seem to forget that half of the Teen Titans episodes were just anime parody where the characters were just as bad if not worse than their TTGO counterparts.
>Steven and Rose TV scene , cheap way to get the scene done so they copied Cowboy bebop. Greg Land 1
>Clone pearl vs pearl another way to get shit done so they tracing again. Greg Land 2
>The pizza evangelion scene. greg Land 3
SU is Greg Land shit because they do nothing oriignal with the scenes , its just the same shit but with lesser impact.
the entire episode of the duck mecha is a love letter to the toku genre and Quintel did an original plot
>Hur dur megas xlr is also bad!!!
Reminder these piece of shits are the people that enjoy steven tumblniverse
I think saying influence ruined western animation is too broad when you have examples like ATLA, Teen Titans and Wakfu that did very well despite being heavily influenced by anime.
The two examples you put up there are also bad for very different reasons. With OK K.O I can sort of see it with its endless references but its real issue is its just a meh comedy series that gets very few laughs because its writers can't seem to write good jokes. But for SU, its because its writing is just all over the place and Sugar can't decide whether she wants it to be a slice of life comedy or a serious lore heavy story. Both shows' creators might have taken alot of inspiration from anime but ultimately its just the flaws in their writing of the shows that hurt them.
Actually the effort the writing team put into ATLA was actually on par of that with the kind of research that's used in Disney movies
Yes, because It's a single episode dedicated solely making fun of silly anime nonsense and mecha. Like a cartoon making a star wars parody episode.
It's wants the audience to know that it all the jokes for today are going to be anime parodies.
Steven universe sometimes takes a reference from an anime and throws it in an episode without any real joke or satire behind it. It's just there to go I RECOGNIZE THAT THING.
I don't care about anime either, but them being influenced by it isn't the problem. They just genuinely suck.
there's plenty to hate about SU without sperging out about minor purely visual shit
>The pizza evangelion scene. greg Land 3
it's just hilarious to me that someone could be upset by that
Replace Danny Phantom and American Dragon with ATLA and MegasXLR or Teen Titans.
Ben 10 wasn't influenced by anime per say but the way it marketed its merchandise is definitely similar to how Japanese kids shows like Yokai Watch market their stuff. Not to mention Ben 10's merch was usually manufactured by Bandai of America.
seen it nowhere else in the thread, time to do breakdown
the biggest problem with western shows and anime is the misunderstanding of stories, characters, and ideas that happens in the exchange between the two. a ripped off shot doesn't do a lotta damage. for the people that get it, it's a nice reference (something that can actually be a detriment in an emotional scene, steven universe), for everyone else, it's a cool shot. so a stolen shot isn't the problem Yea Forums, as much as we like to bitch that OK KO and SU and every other modern show is unoriginal, that's a surface level complaint. the real problem is when a show actually fails to steal an idea properly. the problem with a whole lotta anime is that they just straight up steal the expressions and shorthand from other anime without understanding why they worked for the show they were in or what context specifically to even use that in. same thing with cartoons. SU basically tried to copy the magical girl genre, and it did so pretty okay, but when we're trying to go for a tone and you aren't bending the idea you stole to fit the tone or the world at all and they aren't changing it at all so you recognize it immediately and it's just making me pissed. The problem isn't the references, the problem is that all these storyboarders are lazy little bastards who use references instead of actually doing work and just do whatever the hell they want without anyone saying no because they're all so emotionally imbalanced shits that if anyone expressed negativity at all they flip their lid and kick you off the show for wanting an ounce of damn quality. buncha fuckin cucks that pitch these shows need to grow a backbone and protect their ideas and put in some grease but obviously they aren't because they're only there because they were friends with x and now they get a free show because they both have the same flavor when you touch em'