When was the last time you heard a story with a GOOD vizier?
Is it just the Disney Jafar that made the title untrustworthy, or is there something else, like the word itself just looking or sounding evil?
When was the last time you heard a story with a GOOD vizier?
Anthony Baker
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Liam Clark
Well, Jafar Iz No Good.
Angel Howard
I will Caliph instead of the Caliph!
Leo Lee
*will be
Jonathan King
if they're Muslim they're inherently bad
Mason King
First one that comes to mind is Sebastian Crab. I know it isn't his official title, but he shared the same position as chief advisor in Triton's court. For that matter, Zazu as well. They were both well meaning as civil servants, tutors, and advisers.
If it specifically has to be the title of Grand Vizier and not just a royal adviser, I can't even think of that many to begin with. Jafar, Khilbron, Nappa, and that's it. All evil.
Hunter Flores
>When was the last time you heard a story with a GOOD vizier?
The original Alladin.
Eli Perry
Aladdin takes place in pre Islamic arabia
Jaxson Fisher
Sultan does refer to Allah on occasion, but I suppose he could be referring to whatever deity was in vogue at that time. I don't recall him ever bringing up the Prophet or anything specific like that, as one would expect from a kid's cartoon with no overt religious message.
James Ward
>vizier
>viz-er
>Visser Three
YERK SCUM NEEDS TO BE ERASED FROM THIS PLANET AND I WILL NOT FALL FOR YOUR SHITTY RUSES
Daniel King
something about leading without accountability is inherently suspicious.
James Myers
remember when jafar was brought back in the gayest way possible in tas
Anthony Kelly
If you have an honest advisor and a fool for a king, it is the advisors duty to confront the king, deposing him if necessary.
Brody Russell
But he must do so honestly, he must beg the courts loyalty.
Which isn't to say he not come prepared, perhaps with an armed contingent.
Jace White
I prefer the title of royal seneshal. I don't know that this is true, but I'd like to believe it was at one time true: I've heard the seneshals duty is if the emperor ever abandons his people, to kill him and install someone else as emperor.
Lincoln Barnes
He is expected to be by his side during all his major decisions. He has a blade with which to kill the king, and it is expected that none will interfere, though people sometimes do.
Adrian Richardson
This, and the source of his name - Ja'far ibn Yahya - was by most remaining accounts a fairly chill Buddhist who funded the sciences and arts.
A lot of copies of 1001 Arabian Nights, if the table is about a fooolish caliph and his wise vizier, will even call the vizier Jafar for it.
Jordan Fisher
Who has rights or claim to the throne varies, but it is the seneshals duty, if the ruler is corrupt or won't step down, to execute his duty faithfully, often at the cost of his life, and sometimes his loved ones.
For this reason the seneshal is often expected to remain distant from other people and avoid having close relationships with other people.
Brandon Howard
oh right, cause Aladdin was cast as a dick ass thief, right? Like he was scum.
Henry Reed
I dunno, i mostly just keep it on my shelf to look clever, I know about the gypsy trying to buy time to delay her execution, but medieval fairy tales are awful.
Parker Bennett
What else would you expect from the Chinese?
Bentley Wood
I have all kinds of mushy sentiments. I'd make a terrible seneshal.
Henry Hall
I have a cat, a dog, my mom, my stepdad, my best friend, and thats it. My parents are on their way out, and they will probably outlast the pets, and me and my friend grow more distant every passing year.
Are you kidding? I'd make a great seneshal!
Angel Peterson
It 1001 nights it's 50/50, yet he always smart. Judge in tales is good most of the time while padishah tend to be evil/dumb
Austin Adams
Isn't the story from Zoroastrian Persia?
Jackson Perez
Yep, it's why Jasmine was allowed to walk around in anything but a garbage bag.
David Evans
>When was the last time you heard a story with a GOOD vizier?
"good" is a bit of an understatement, but
Carter Martinez
youtube.com
Jafar was a good vizier.
Easton King
burqas are relatively modern thing. They were used since late XVIII and only in countries occupied by empires (to protect own women from lust of foreign soldiers garrisoned around)
Dominic Butler
Was he? I though that was the one thing the show never did.
Robert Gomez
I think it has to do something with people assuming the ruler always have to be good. In american movies the president is always good because muh people chosen him I guess, so the next one with a lot of power to pull shit is usually the closest adviser or vice president.
Lincoln Turner
I'm not even going to fact check you, I'm just going to assume you're wrong because you used fucking Roman numerals. Loosen the fedora.
Caleb Russell
Check out Twisted, it's a musical basically from the perspective of Jafa and it does this.
John Allen
>If you have an honest advisor and a fool for a king, it is the advisors duty to confront the king, deposing him if necessary
Ethically sure, but a lot of Kingdom's ran on the idea that the royals were chosen by God to rule. Your King might be incompetent, but it would be spitting in the face of the Almighty to depose him. That's why you just gotta right the ship and keep it on course.
Luis Watson
WIllem Dafoe in Aquaman was a good vizer. Hell, he even rebelled against Orm.
Charles Cook
It's the idea that the figurehead of the government doesn't really have the power, it's the people just beneath him who influence him.
James Kelly
Hades brought him back in the Hercules crossover.
Lincoln Ramirez
Even when they're good, they still betray the king. Viren from TDP is shady as well, but doesn't betray the king while he's alive.