God, everyone in The Dragon Prince besides Viren and his kids are fucking idiotic liberal pussies

Is it instant or drawn out? What are the alternative form(s) of magic available?

The fuck? Dude is a walking metaphor for hubris. Constantly doing things without proper preparation and incurring unintended consequences left and right. Everything that's gone wrong in the series was caused directly by him. Sometimes he has admirable intentions, but some stuff is BLATANTLY EVIL, like manipulating your son into killing the rightful heirs of a kingdom. He's clearly making blatant power grabs for power's sake because he would have likely been steward of the realm for a time anyways and he clearly wasn't cool with that.

He's holding multiple people prisoner, killed other people personally, conspired against the kingdom, and is now going to unleash a dark god because he got caught breaking laws that he didn't have to break to get his way.

Seems instant, and there's the primal magic elves use, but everyone thought humans couldn't use that magic, at least until Callum learned how to do it

Then I suppose the assertion is generally reasonable. Ethically, killing an animal in (seemingly) humane fashion for magical purposes doesn't appear more unacceptable than slaughter for food, hide, or other specialized animal products

Does this magic serve purposes of utility or is it solely a weapon? In other words, does the use of this magic have the possibility of providing benefit to a general population, or limited in application to weapons/curses?

They’re is literally nothing wrong with Dark Magic. As shown so far, it’s got no obvious down sides.

>Dark Magic is bad because you have to kill animals to use it (literally no worse than eating meat)
Isn't Dark Magic usually fueled by killing babies, virgins and close people? That sound really lame by comparison

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I'm honestly expecting the show to side with the Viren at the end.

A baby deer was used to heal a quadriplegic, and the heart of a lava monster was used to warm a country during winter and allow them to grow food explicitly stated to save 100,000 people from starving to death.

The audience are onions so Viren did everything wrong

This guy sacrificed his soul and his newborn son for dark magic, got a Cain's mark for the rest of his life and all he needed to do was to sacrificed a fucking deer.

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>warm a country during winter and allow them to grow food

I know I have to give this a pass because it’s a fantasy setting and they used literal magic, but I just can’t get over the feeling that suddenly altering an environment’s climate to squeeze an extra harvest out of the year would fuck up a land’s farming cycle really badly.

Well, they were facing a major famine in what seemed to be two normally stable nations, so it's possible that they had an early and harsh winter and the magic just pushed it back to the normal weather.

Eh, there's extra short autumns and extra long winters

The only repercussion I can think of is if they kept the artificially warm season through the entire winter and didn't get any snow thus leading to a drought or something

...Are you an idiot or a troll who just did this on purpose?

Well, I haven't seen the show so it's hard to judge but taking your words at face value yeah the attitude towards this "dark magic" sounds faggy as fuck

I miss the good old days when the heroes were working class guys and the villains were elitist assholes but nowadays it seems like the elitist assholes are the heroes and the working class guys are the villains

Yeah, totally. At one point the main character desperately uses dark magic to save the elf girl's life and free a captured dragon. It puts him in a coma because he didn't have the proper training to do it safely and the elf just bitches and says it's his fault for using dark magic.

>Dark Magic is bad because you have to kill animals to use it (literally no worse than eating meat)

It's shown repeatedly that overusing Dark Magic is bad for your health.

I got the implication that Dark Magic fucks with your mind and possibly body after too much use.

Viren seemed like a chill guy in his early days as the king's BFF. Dark Magic fucked him up.

They are going to Elf land next season, they'll probably go a 180 showing how there are asshole in the elf side too.

>knife ears

THIS ONE'S GOIN IN THE BOOK OF GRUDGES

friggen elves man

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The lava monster was the last of its kind. So it'd be more like sacrificing a panda or some shit to give your country a good growing season. Also dark magic is hinted to be shitty for the caster's health too, Claudia has that white streak in her hair from healing soren which pretty heavily implies some serious strain on the body.

>We shouldn’t try to protect our kingdom after they killed our king, we should just let them get away with murder
Yeah, they should've. Katolis invaded another nation, murdered one of it's inhabitants, then went back and murdered it's ruler and kidnapped his son after said ruler rightfully defended his nation's borders. The humans were in the wrong there

Daigo was dealing with Demons, they wouldn't be happy with just a deer.

Is there a MEGA for season 2? I can only find the S1 mega

Rayla's a little tsundere, the reason she acted mad at him was because she was worried and didn't know how to express it. She drops it in a heartbeat when she actually thinks he might not get better, and never brings it up when he actually does.

Do you not have a Netflix friend to leech off of?

>saved the king and hundreds of thousand of lives
>gone wrong
Are you saying the humans should just let the elves treat humans as dirt? The elves can cross the border whenever they want yet humans can’t. Fuck elves.

Welcome to modern day liberalism

>>We should protect this dragon who just killed a village of innocent people

Hmmmm. This sounds familiar

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>Dark Magic is bad because you have to kill animals to use it (literally no worse than eating meat)
Arguable either way, there's probably some other shit about dark magic we don't know yet.
>We shouldn’t try to protect our kingdom after they killed our king, we should just let them get away with murder
The humans had supposedly just committed either infanticide or a forced abortion (depending on your perspective) of the dragon prince. They do not have the moral highground here at all.
>We shouldn’t try to protect our borders and species from a growing army
The leader of the border forces is Amaya, a woman who is presented as good. Defending yourself isn't presented as evil as much as opportunistic power grabs and fearmongering.
>We should protect this dragon who just killed a village of innocent people
Agree with you, Callum was full of shit and he got his friend paralysed. The dragon was absolutely evil, threatening and provoking humans before ultimately lashing out against civilians. It deserved to die assuming it was sentient (and if it wasn't then the whole point about the dragons and their kings falls apart anyway.

FUCK elves, seriously

hybridize those knife ears out of existence

No

I'm surprised he didn't try alternatives first. Enlist the other kingdoms for aid. Find a source to feed that kingdom first.

Fucking hell, if they skipped that whole "share our famine" bit and instead just went straight to "We found a way to save them!" then we'd get a stronger character and story.

Harrow would go on a quest and risk his own life for people not even of his own country.

Dark Magic would be painted as much more benevolent than it already is because they'd selflessly use the power to feed a country that honestly has had bad relations with them in the past, all for the sake of being good and helpful.

But nope, instead they had to put in that Harrow was A-Okay with letting thousands of people who he had sworn as sovereign lord to protect. Imagine you're one of the starved families.

>Mom, why isn't my little brother moving?
>He died, sweetie. The last of the bread just wasn't enough.
>But why didn't we have more bread?
>Because our king gave it to another country starving.

No matter how you paint it, that is straight up bullshit.

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>mfw this show preaching acceptance, relation with foreign(xenos) beings, and peace brought about a new surge of "Humanity Fuck Yeah"

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Not comparable. Dragons are sentient, Harambe was a dumb animal, and it was that kid and that kid's parents fault for letting him get into the enclosure in the first place

Is it though? What's the broader fandom look like. I hardly expect it shares the opinions of 4channel dot org slash co

I said a surge, not all fans. There's an increase in the HFY sentimentality on this board that hasn't been seen as much in a while.

Fairly certain outside of this board it's mostly hurrdurr dark magic steal souls, hoomans bad, my dragon husbandu

So.... it's worse. The dragon knew what he was doing was bullshit.

Fuck Xadia.

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When you’re right, you’re right.

can't remember, was it ever explained why the dragon was flying over the city?

No. But the way she was looking at Zym and the kids along with Claudia getting her horn implies she's going to be important latter on. We'll probably get a reason the next time the gang meets her.

Honestly, this is a great show but it is also a wake up call to me about how fucked liberal morality is.

A nation that was once both human and elf until the elves became full enthno nationalists. Fuck elves

>His people will starve
Did you not consider the possibility that his nation had a surplus in food production and can afford to give some away in order to gain political favours?

They have a good reason to fear monger considering armies and dragons are attacking.

Right, because conservative morality (anyone who isn't exactly like me is an enemy that needs to be enslaved, tortured, or killed) is so much fucking better

They say in the show that they already have a shortage of food and his actions will just cause 50,000 people from each country to start instead of 100,000 from the one country.

>anyone who isn't exactly like me is an enemy that needs to be enslaved, tortured, or killed

A quality bait, my friend

Well that's what I get for not watching a series and think I can talk about it

>his actions will just cause 50,000 people from each country to start instead of 100,000 from the one country.

Is this actually stated or hyperbole because revolutions have started over less

That’s not what they think at all.

Hyperbole but the point was that a bunch of people were going to die not matter what, the king wanted to share the pain and to help some people and Viren wanted to save everyone.

No comment on thread contents this just pops into my head every time I see the subject

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>Implying there's a diference between liberals and conservatives in the land of the free
It's either religious right or secular right. If you really want to look for a scapegoat, it's the extreme narcissism promoted by late capitalism and the abysmal gap between the poor and the rich, along the class movility being stagnant.

>commie

oh no it's retarded

>Conservatives use commies as strawmen for hiding the holes in their system
>Liberals use Russians, who happened to be commies decades ago, as strawmen for hiding the holes in their system
And people wonder why America is falling apart.

I misremembered and added an extra 0 to both numbers, but otherwise it's outright stated.

It's says a lot about where the culture war is headed that Viren is somehow an evil person for usurping the throne when he's just a commoner trying to implement his pragmatic realpolitk in a setting where representative government does not exist. He literally has to choose between being an underhanded asshole or just shutting up and obeying his monarch (the first of which literally allowed himself to be assassinated, and the next two possible choices are fucking underaged with no interest in ruling the kingdom whatsoever). If he live in a republic, he'd just convince the people and politicians he was right and get things done that way. But no, the only vote that counts is the king's vote; not the sanest man in the room who actually was loyal enough to his king to try to set up a way for him to survive the assassination attempt.

I'm sure the point is that it will have an increasingly adverse effect on nature and the world the more it's used. Reminds me of how badly things go for your characters in Until Dawn if you start killing the animals or dick with nature since it makes the evil in the place stronger.

You have just said the most intelligent thing ITT.

Pack it up everybody threads over

I think the difference in morality between killing animals for food and killing animals for dark magic is that one is a natural human function. The other is not and fucks you up long term.

Praise those brave dark magic users for selflessly putting their bodies through so much suffering to save thousands of lives and heal quadriplegics.

I just want you all to know I would 100% sell out all of you fucking stupid humans for sweet, sweet celtic elf waifus.

Same here my anonymous brother from another mother.

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Enjoy getting your blood drunk you idiot

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Like the semi-minimalist helicopters.

Fucking this. How is he doing anything wrong?

There is nothing natural about modern farming practices.

>Subtext you fool.

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>Viren wanted to save everyone
>got the magma heart and actually did save everyone
Viren is the true hero of the series, he bravely tried to save those lesbo queens despite facing down a huge ass dragon.

Were they really that incompetent? seven years famine is a long a time.

Man was not made to resist these pits.

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But Viren isn't doing it for the right reasons. He immediately attempted to seize power, and then told his son to assassinate the rightful heir and another boy with a weak claim. Even if he thinks theyre in danger from Xadia he is deliberately manipulating the situation to his advantage, getting the other kings on side so he couldn't be replaced (at least until he got assmad and fucked it all up).
Note that no actual member of the human army has been portrayed in any way other than positively.

I blame the elves for causing the famine.

It's always the elves fault

>Viren: The Elf menace is coming! The race war is inevitable!
>Also Viren: Aaravos, I'm as hard as a rock giant! Get out of that mirror and on my dick!

What did he mean by this?

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Good riddance, fuck Pandas, overrated bamboo munchers

Trying too hard. What she's struggling to do Claudia does naturally

Except Harrow is not portrayed as 100% in the right or 100% knowledgeable either

There's something undeniably endearing about a flawed character. Perhaps Claudia is a born natural but it's Rayla's perseverance despite her imperfection that puts her a notch above her competition. Also Claudia wears way to much clothes, Rayla is willing to give her fans a show

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>He's not on the Rayla train
Okay whatever loser

That sounds like a delicacy.

All we know is that the dragon was being a dick and intimidating the city but hadn't actually done anything at that point
Soren was the first to actively attack the other side
What the dragon did wasn't justified, as far as we know so far, but it definitely didn't shoot first

Probably scouting for something but the way he was flying around the town it seems she was trying to pick up a fight. Dragons in this story are smart in this story, if it flew that close to the city the dragon was probably taunting the locals.

Those are the actual numbers discussed by the characters. It's their estimation, could have been more, could have been less. Viren's spell stopped the famine before it got to that point.

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I think Rayla will be disgusted by herself when she starts to realize shes lusting after a human
We often forget how racist she can be

That's pretty common in history, an old decadent royalty stuck in the past and the uprising power with new ideas that actually it's just common sense but the royals are too far into their own asses to see it. That's why there have been multiple disnaties through history. It's just that murricans idealize monarchy fir some reason

Viren impregnating Aaravos when

The magic he acquired wasnt that impressive though.

So is the animation improved from season 1 or nah?

it was more than 1 winter though, the core was used for more winters afterwards

just use fucking kimcartoon damn it

>hippies
FTFY

Its on showbox
Thats how i saw it

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Species mixing is sick and wrong

Maybe. But I don't want to be right when the elves look like they do in this setting

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>the elves and dragons forced humans from their native land in what could only be described as the Trail of Tears on steroids
>the show frames this as having been the right thing to do

Improved enough that it doesn't really bother me anymore. Character models still look off at some angles.

Was it really? I mean we saw a mother holding a weeping child and an elf shoving some poor guy.

In Xadia she'll get a sudden reminding why she hated humans in the first place and that'll cause some tension between her and Callum I'm guessing.

Nah, she took a perk
fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Ain't_Like_That_Now

You sound like a fag.

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I expect her to snap at another elf for saying something negative about humans and then just sit there for a minute thinking about how she would have agreed with them two weeks ago

I'm ok with gay elf/human couples because they cant spawn abominations

Oof, tough call

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There's no good evidence that the magma titan was endangered, that was just a misgiving the Queen had about the whole affair, because they were rushing into it without understanding possible repercussions.

also FUCK pandas. They're worthless weights that can't even be bother to fuck once a damn year, and the literal billions we spend on maintain their fat retarded asses could be spent on saving hundreds of species that actually have an important impact on their ecosystems.

Harambe was clearly trying to protect the child from the other gorillas! By dragging him at high speeds by the ankle around the enclosure!

That's not a half-elf, that's a Genestealer.

It's funny because the lack of class mobility and class gap are also two of the biggest problems in communism as well.

What fucking show have you been watching?

>Oof, tough call
I hope that's sarcasm.

Only an insane liberal would condemn random people in his in-group to death to value signal and save some out-group randoms.

I do like how Sarai was right about dark magic being a slippery slope, but wrong about who'd go down it

Like, Harrow seems to have still been pretty grounded, if bitchy at Viren specifically. But Viren takes his 'ends justify the means' mentality just a little further every time he hits a problem

I bet humans and elves cant have children, their bodies are incapable

Horrible copout.

Will Viren hit that cosmic ass

He'd never betray humanity, no matter how sexy the ass.

With such narrow mindedness your in-group will never grow.

They're too different, even if they could have children they would be disfigured abominations

>implying Viren can't bullshit himself into thinking plowing Sparkly Elf is for the good of humanity
You underestimate his delusion.

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Unfortunately, Viren is a bottom.

>and then told his son to assassinate the rightful heir and another boy with a weak claim
That's because "rightful heir" is bullshit. It's not his fault the monarchy system is so shit it would be a literal child in charge.

>Being a race traitor for the ((elves))
>invade a country
>Be surprised when you get shot at
>Attack innocent civilians

Doubt he cares.
Viren can be glad if Aaravos only fucks him and not also both of his kids while he's at it.

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Without such "narrow mindedness" you will let the spirit of your people be destroyed to the point they stop breeding and willingly let themselves be replaced.

Family > community > nation > humanity > animals >>>>>> fucking elves.

Callum and Rayla having a moonshadow dance when?

is this a joke? The same amount of people will still die, it doesn't solve the fundamental problem of a 100,000 people dying all he's doing is trying to look good at the expense of the people who placed their lives in his hand.
Doesn't matter about in group or out group, the same amount of people will still die, possibly even more because of the logistics required to ship the grain to another country several hundred miles away without it spoiling or being stolen.
Not shipping the food is the right choice, this shouldn't even be a debate. Now if a group had a surplus and the majority agreed to donate then the shipping of food can be understood.

He'll be a sub top for dom bottom Aaravos

Fuck Pandas. Are you seriously trying to argue that strain makes the magic evil? Yes it’s shitty for the caster, but that’s a sacrifice for a worthy cause.

Writers are so much against Viren. First they made him order Soren to kill Ezran, now I wouldn't be surprised they will reveal he killed Sarai to make Harrow hate Thunder

So this show actually is a flaming pile of shit besides just the animation being horrid.
Good to know

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It is genuinely an inferior version of ATLA, but I have nothing else to watch.

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>King isn’t willing to let a bodyguard die in his place
Why have a fucking guard at all? The nation is better off dealing with the death of a guard than the death of it’s king. The end effect would be the same as having a body double anyhow. He’s literally just giving the elves what they want and trying to claim some moral highground from abandoning his duties. Fucking disgraceful.

>now I wouldn't be surprised they will reveal he killed Sarai to make Harrow hate Thunder

hypable.com/dragon-prince-season-2-interview/

>In the flashback, Sarai was amazing. Should we take everything we saw in that story as face value? Or is that Viren’s interpretation of what happened?
>JR: She’s dead. She’s really dead. That is the truth of what happened. We’re not playing any games there, I don’t think.
>AE: There is one scene, I’m just going to cause trouble, where we don’t know everything that happened in the scene.
>JR: Okay, that’s fair.
>AE: There’s a little more information than right now.
>JR: But, overall, other than that one shot, everything you see it what happened.

You're probably right.

You sir are correct
One apparently different than you.

Ran by emotions rather than any logic. Horrible type of ruler.

Binging it right now, basically jumped straight from all of S1 to the first couple of episodes of S2.
It's still a little wonky at times but the animation did become significantly smoother.

r34 when

So, let me see if I have this straight
>Elves constantly flaunt how much cooler they are than humans because they can use magic
>Humans say "fug you" and learn magic
>Elves go autistic REEEE mode and force every single human off of rightful human clay because "only OUR magic is okay you filthy round ear!"

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To be perfectly fair how many people would just accept some random dude walking up and yelling "yo, I'm totally the king, we switched our souls and shieeet, the only people who'll back up this story is a handful of guards I pay and my snakey little black magic jew."

Sounds pretty accurate.

This guy gets it.

Maybe the weeaboo writers should read more about Japanese history instead of just watching normie animus. Google kagemusha, both the term and the Kurosawa movie.

>>JR: But, overall, other than that one shot, everything you see it what happened.
They're probably just referring the the oddly quiet Sarai death scene.
She probably confessed something that led to Viren hating Callum.

I'm thinking it's more likely she told Viren something before dying.

Elves had it coming.

The writing makes no fucking sense. If the king did what he planned to do he would face massive rebellion. It even makes Viren look like a punk for not killing him and his bloodline sooner.

You can put verification systems (signature, contents of sealed letters, personal history) into place rather easily.

YES

I don't know. This kind of shows run under the American premise that royal blood actually mean something and people love their kings no matter what.

>if the elf menace is coming, he should come too

Nah, it wasn't emotions. It was an absolutely retarded bet that the elves would be satisfied with the death of just one king. It's like if Austria-Hungry said after the death of Arch-Duke Ferdinand, "Well, maybe with his death the Black Hand will feel satisfied and go home". Or if the USA said after 9/11, "Surely the Taliban will stay in Afghanistan after this". Sure, in a more honor-oriented society, that logic does at least have some minimal merit; but it's one hell of a thing to bet your life on.

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It's a sad tale

Don't forget the unexplained ethnic divergence of a profoundly black deadlocked monarch in Merlingland being completely unremarked upon.

Americans, I swear

Elves just can't fight their betters

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Why would Viren hate Callum? Who could his father be for Viren to hate him so? Viren himself?

Sexual frustration

Reminder that Callum will lose a hand

From all the holes and inconsistences, you focus on the race of the monarchs. When the House of Normandy, rulers of England, only spoke French and queen Victoria was German and decades later the British royal family changed their name from House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to House of Windsor because WW1. Not taking in consideration the Ptolomaic dynasty ruling Egypt for eight generations despite they were Macedonians or the multiple dynasties that ruled Egypt that weren't ethnically Egyptians. They were even legit kangz for a while during the decadent period. The moors ruled Sicily and half Spain for centuries.

Americans, I swear.

yeah, they cannot replace us right fellow white human brother?

Ayy, was wondering when LCB was going to be mentioned here

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Those are all explainable ethnic divergences that impacted how their subjects and vassals acted. The show has none of that.

It disgusts me to even utter this...
Callum's father was... poor

My god forgive me my sins.

All the humans were forcibly exiled across half a continent. There was little cohesion, and regional enthic groups got mixed together in the chaos. Leaders who rallied the refugees enough to begin rebuilding probably became local lords and kings.

Happy?

>Constantly doing things without proper preparation and incurring unintended consequences left and right.
Such as.

>Everything that's gone wrong in the series was caused directly by him.
How did he cause the famine or the dragon to attack?

>manipulating your son into killing the rightful heirs of a kingdom.
That happened a lot in real life and isn't evil if this child would have been a terrible ruler.

>he would have likely been steward of the realm for a time anyways and he clearly wasn't cool with that.
Why would he want to be the regent of a child? Also usurping isn't evil.

>He's holding multiple people prisoner
Just like every country with a justice system.

>killed other people personally
So no worse than any soldiers.

>conspired against the kingdom
How?

>is now going to unleash a dark god because he got caught breaking laws that he didn't have to break to get his way.
Technically he just has to kill the princes and become king. Then he is the law.

So it’s the fucking elves fault, understandable.

Harrow said Callum's biological father is dead, but maybe that statement is wrong and Harrow didn't know. I doubt it's Viren, most people are above average American heights and Callum seems a bit short for Viren and Sarai to be his parents. Maybe he'll shoot up, I'd like to see him have a growth spurt over the course of the series. And have Rayla still be taller.

Always their fault.

Based

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>Celtic elf.
Why would you want a Celtic elf?
Specifically the worst kind of elf.
Now if you meant a Silky, or a Banshee or even Viviene, I'd understand.
But a bog-standard Celtic elf?
Nigga get some taste.

>I am half convinced this show is secret alt right propaganda designed to purposely make liberals seem dumb.

I just want one thread without this shit

If you want discussion about the show itself without any of the "everything is political" shitflinging then you are not in the right place.
It would be the right place, if you were here like a day or three post-bomb.
But now is not that time.

Yeah and that was explained. Vehemently
By you.

They really need to tone down the forehead cheeks blush on these characters. I get those areas are supposed to have redder tones but its looks way shit the way they do it.

>Visual Medium
>Progressive ideology
>Hardcore Badass Deaf Aunt comes in
>Surely they will just use subtitles for her lines and have every one understand her
>Surely they won't make us think about too hard about someone in a position of command that can't actually... Com and anyone without help of a sound monkey?
>No. Sound monkey

Are all Americans this retarded?

If niggers used blood sacrifice for magic you'd want to push them as far away as possible too.

Except thats not a good comparison. As far as we know there was only 1 maybe a handful of dark magic users over the years and instead of punishing those people and going "holy shit humans no dont do that " they just did a mass exodus

Best elves coming through, hippity hoppity argonians are property

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>That one scene where we get like a full minute of her using sign language in front of the statue and get absolutely no fucking explanation of what she's saying
Who approved this shit?

>b-but they killed the dragon!
Yes, because it was attacking humans and preventing humans from going back to the land that was rightfully there’s. Honestly, humans are completely justified in hating elves but their weak willed soi rulers are going to kill humanity.

>Viviene
who?

>Steal rightful human clay and exile their entire race, openly murder anyone who tries to go back
>"What the fuck, why are the humans mad?"

If niggers could use dark magic that would be great, it would allow them a way to do something productive.

Depending on the version, she is the Lady of the Lake and the one responsible for reforging Excalibur.
She also apparently had awesome tits.

What do you expect? The writers put liberal values into their show and cranked them up to 12.

But the writers themselves never explicitly state that dark magic is bad all we have to go of of is the interactions. Thats not liberal thats letting people come to their own decisions. Yes claudia healed her brother but viren just sent unstoppable shadow assassins out to false flag. I think this is them trying to set up how magic in general isnt good or evil just how you use it

If they didn't put the thought into the nuance behind Harrow's decision to help Duren, I doubt they're going to setup something like this.

Legit only thing he has done wrong is trying to kill the rightful heirs. That being said he probably thought the kids couldt handle the impending doom of a xadia invasion and he is just trying to save humanity. Varen will end up being corrupted and 100% evil and black magic will be banned DISPITE it healing a paralyzed man because it involved killing a deer.

Logically it shouldt but the shows main audience is sadly basedboys.

>in-group
>out-group
Congratulations on being a moron.

These armies and dragons weren't attacking until they assassinated a monarch and his son, though.

Viren isn't a commoner, he's a noble.

Also he's mostly just trying to solve everything with dark magic, which we know turns people into amoral zombiefaces.

How will the elves react to their mightest wizard getting human pipe

For a bit but you get better. And its self harm its not doing any permanent damage to say the environment or whatever or it involving demons. It's the same as killing an animal for food but instead of a few steaks enough to fucking feed 10 kingdoms. Or cure a guy from being unable to feel anything below the neck. If the show makes dark magic evil I will fucking hate the show.
Tbh it's either false flag to get ready for the race war and have the elves strike first. Viren wast lieing dragons are for no reason invading and antagonize local citizens.
Him deciding to kill half of his nation to save half of another nation made me really hate him. Viren is doing a justice by usupiring the throne and saving us from his dumbfuck bloodline from rulling or continuing.

This but unironically

Where are the amoral zombie faces? And dark magic has solved alot of problems.
After the king killed the human kings wife. Which was after they were forced out of their lands. Xadia started this shit.

He atomized two of the guards sent to arrest him. Some folks might consider killing people when resisting arrest a wrong.

They'll use their magic to watch and record it, while publicly grumbling.

I'm flabbergasted at the reaction people have to S2 E5.

Are why do people have to try and rationalize bad writing instead of just accepting it was written poorly? I fully admit the famine stuff is ultra retarded and they kinda fail at painting sarai and harrow in a good light but I still like show despite it.

Based Claudiabro

S2 E5 was easily the worst episode of the show. Why did they come directly to this kingdom and not the other ones? Why didt they all pitch in? Etc.

I mean, I guess.That reminds me, the high priestess or whatever (Has there been any mention of the religion of this world yet? why the fuck is their a high priestess) is the most annoying character. Her only trait is to be antagonistic to Varen. I get why she is and she should be but its just annoying thats her only trait.

>Her only trait is to be antagonistic to Varen
Why do you mother fuckers need an entire trilogy for every background character? Shes the high priestess doing her job to preserve the law in absence of a rightful heir what more do you fucking need?

>(literally no worse than eating meat)
According to real life yes. Who knows? Is their soul destroyed as well? Is it corrupting the land? Theres so little known about it atm.

>liberal
lol nailed it
great job, user

Really bothers me since Yea Forums has been on Aaron Ehasz's dick for so long, saying he was the "good" writer on Avatar and attributing every good thing to him and then this shit episode comes up

And the worst part is that it was totally salvageable.Ignoring the king being dumb, Sarai looks a fucking idiot with the whole " its a just a shortcut talk" when viren literally saves the day with his plan and the only downside is a dead magma titan. they could have easily made it so that the Titan sentient, having it speak or something and only act in self defense. But no its just a fucking rock monster. No different from killing any other animal which they obviously do for food since Lujanne magics up imitation turkey for dinner

>But your majesty if you give away our food thousands will die!
>Tens of thousands!
>By the way don't let my guards protect me I'd feel if they had to die for me!

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Right? I was expecting him to talk and tell them to fuck off and shit but no he is just a rock monster. Idk why the show keeps on saying black magic is bad but every time, black magic saves the day. If the show ends with black magic being okay then its fine, but if the show ends with black magic bad then the show has fucking awful writing baring some retcon or asspull.

Fair point. But she is still really fucking annoying. And what the fuck is the religion of this world for their to be a high priest? I still like the world building and the world despite its faults though.

>Idk why the show keeps on saying black magic is bad but every time, black magic saves the day.
did you consider that its supposed to be morally grey?
there a difference between the "show" saying black magic is bad and character saying it, user

It really isn't.

>what the fuck is the religion of this world for their to be a high priest
IIRC they have a whole pantheon at one point one of the humans says gods dont quote me on that

Callum's dream sequence seems to tell me other wise.But am fine with elves thinking its bad and evil since it makes them less unique compared to humans (elves are connected to magic and humans need a primal stone to use magic, this new magic is evil because they are on our level or even above us now)

What I do not get is why some humans think its bad or evil since nothing bad has so far, ever come of it.

>Callum's dream sequence seems to tell me other wise.
thats just about Callum and his feelings
>What I do not get is why some humans think its bad or evil
good point, i think theyre just skeptical because Ehasz likes making characters with a respect for nature and animals and balance and shit

>Not knowing what Ingroups and outgroups are
And you're calling other people morons.

Vanilla Callum is for chumps. I want Necrocallum.

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Probably the pitch black eyes and the backwards talking. Even if the magic is used for something good the fact that it looks unsettling or unnatural would probably be enough for a lot of people to assume its bad.

>backwards talking
no one seems disturbed by Zatanna's backwards talk in DC

Everyone knows what those things are, user. Using them to inform your moral compass is simply a sign of low intellect.

See Avatar was able to avoid all this because it never dealt with politics-ish type stuff. That show is good because it focuses on the adventure and that's what the best parts of this show are: the prince's adventure.

You would think that looking at Korra and seeing how the intrigue and "real" world type issues injected into that show drained the fun out of the Avatar world, would have the writers avoid this type of shit.

>What I do not get is why some humans think its bad or evil since nothing bad has so far, ever come of it.
It does seem to have resulted in the western side of the continent becoming almost completely magically barren. Humans clearly weren't using it in moderation, and if Viren is any indication using it at all is addictive in some way.

>Soren gets crippled and paralyzed from the neck down
>his life and career as a knight is over as far as he knows
>starts making jokes about becoming a poet the same day
The people in this series are ridiculously upbeat and chipper when bad shit happens.

>no one seems disturbed by Zatanna's backwards talk in DC
shes a comic book character user its not the same thing
plus she has the cover of being a stage magician

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I think it was mostly relief that he didn't had to do evil shit for his father.

She's also attractive, that can help cushion the creepiness.

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>Using them to inform your moral compass is simply a sign of low intellect.
How else would navigate this event?
You only have enough food to feed your family, a family in another nation needs food otherwise they would starve. Do you give up the food you have damning your own family to starvation?
Except in the shows scenario its taken to a national scale with tens of thousands of lives at stake.
If you choose to feed another nation when you have none to spare for yourself that's just being retarded.

Biggest problem with this season. The show refues to just let it sit in sadness for even half a second. Why not let soren be sad especially since he was going to get un-crippled.

>king was willing to sacrifice thousands of his own citizen to save another kingdoms citizens
>that king that saved your entire kingdom was assassinated, please help us avenge him
>"what and have my own citizens die in a war? nah"

that kingdom practiced in group out group idealogy. was perfectly willing to let the other kingdom citzens die for them but when it was time to return the favor they look out for their own best interest.

Shit like this is actually based on real historical events.

Viren is handsome tho

fuck are you on about

Even worse. They refused to even aid in the creation of a defense force that would protect ALL humans and not just the nation that selflessly saved them in the past.

>They refused to even aid in the creation of a defense force
That was never even suggested. Viren is only asking for the creation of a invasion army to attack whatever Elves have massed across the border. That would just exacerbate the border issue with the elves and lead to war anyway

Actual historical events where feeding another nation when you have no food for yourself or even if you had food for yourself almost always backfires.
The only time it doesn't backfire is if before hand a deal was worked out with collateral on the line.

Making jokes and being seemingly upbeat in an awful situation is a fairly common mental defense mechanism people use.

do you have any specific examples or are you just bullshitting me
you better not fucking tell me to google it, youre the one who brought it up

It's a pretty smart political move to make if Harrow was going for political unity across the Pentarchy. It doesn't change the situation at all but the foreign nation now has a debt of gratitude during future political ventures. Viren tried to heavily bank on it to much, and his delivery and plan was to aggressive a proposal.

Actual historical examples include China and Vietnam in 1965 where China supplied food and weapons to Vietnam so they could fight against imperialist USA.
When China itself had no food or clothes for itself thanks to the great leap forward. Come 1979 they would go to war with Vietnam using the same guns that China donated to kill Chinese people.

Don't forget that outside of Yea Forums Korra is generally a very well loved show, normalfags have pretty shit taste.

Rayla would have been a better character if she actually lost her hand and had to slowly but surely come to terms with giving up part of herself to do the right thing

the chinese invaded vietnam user but i suppose your point still applies

that would have been pretty cool but then wed lose the whole deceit about the king and a lot (or at least a little bit) of tension between her and the princes

>the chinese invaded vietnam
Indeed they did, just prior there were small skirmishes where the Vietnamese soldiers shot Chinese soldiers with the guns that were donated to them. These events enraged the public so much that no one cared to stop the war through dialogue.
Funnily enough China should have known better because a famous story in antiquity involved a similar incident. Although that had a semi happy incident.

Makes a little sense given she’s nobility, but not being able to command your own troops is a huge roadblock.

The show makes it pretty clear that harrow was sick of the continued cycle of aggression and just wanted to end it before escalated to something truly terrible.

Ignore dumb hoomans
Acquire elf.
youtube.com/watch?v=-NjdfOoPK9c

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this, he was sacrificing himself for his people
actually kind of selfish though really

Not really, it's grown panned all over the world

So instead of calling for peace talks or giving an apology he lets himself be killed? What kind of idiocy is this? At the very least he could have given himself up to the elves in exchange for a non-aggression agreement.
An empty sacrifice maybe.

>Anything in Spain as an example of Merlinian fantasy

Americans really can be a bunch of uncultured swine.

yeah that probably wouldve been smarter
his plan was kind of shitty
thats why i called him selfish

Easily my favorite song on the album, and the entire album is great.

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>Let himself get killed, leaving everything in the hands of his adviser who jerks off on a daily basis over the idea of genociding the filthy keeblers and his sons who genuinely believe that elves drink human blood and now murdered their only living parent
>"I did it to stop the cycle of violence!"

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Why doesn't viren just ice this fucking bitch and take control already?

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>elves kick all the humans out of magic land cause of a few dark mages
>huge ass king of dragons personally patrols the border killing any human it finds
>probably has slaughtered countless humans over the centuries
>kills Harrow’s wife when they are trying to save thousands of lives
>Harrow understandably plots revenge and actually succeeds
>elves send assassins to kill him and his ten year old son in retaliation
>we are supposed to believe Harrow is in the wrong for this
Fuck elves and fuck dragons.

How many seasons is this going to have? 6? I hate how the villains haven't won once this entire show.

they've won our hearts

ill say it again
its supposed to be morally grey
neither side is the good or bad guys
its just like fucking atla i dont know why this shit is so hard for you people

I fucking hate how Netflix keeps splitting their shows seasons in half to extend how long they can air it, 9 fucking episodes doesn’t qualify as a season.

Blame the algorithm. It 'proved' that most Netflix subscribers only binge watch 8 episodes.

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I’d argue that the side that sends literal assassins after the innocent child is pretty bad, not much grey morality there.

both sides are guilty of great crimes

Bull shit.

That's normal in feudal times.

And yet the other side is worse.

elves are always worse

Question about the elf scum: Has it been confirmed that elves live longer than humans, and if so by how much? I know Aavaros was mentioned as having a "thousand year view" in an interview but is that common for all elves or only exceptions?

I think its also because its safer to release one short season, see if it fails, if it does cut it, than commit to a long one outright

when pretending to be a human rayla mentions having a subcentury life expectancy which definitely implies shes expecting to live longer than a century

So does that mean Callum will die before Rayla?
I fucking hate fantasy races having inconsistent lifespans from one another. It only works in Tolkien.

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>it only works in tolkien

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Don't numanorians love like 400 years?

Let me explain: In Tolkien's works the elves are very explicitly different from men, almost fey-like like in old stories from the middle ages, so you don't expect elves and humans to bang. What gets me in modern fantasy is that there is no major disconnect between humans and elves besides culture so all the stuff about extended life really doesn't have a purpose besides flavor and personally I feel really gives off a sense of actual racial superiority in the story, but the last part may be a stretch.

One of the creators said on twitter or twitch they to live up to 110-120 years.

They did, but had shorter lives as history went on for unclear reasons, not just mixing with lesser men. Either way 400

i dont know to what modern fantasy youre referring nor do i care because none of that applies to DP

It means Callum will be a silver fox when Rayla hits 25 in human years.

I have no concern or grievances then.
Just like DnD and shit.

fuck everything, post Claudia

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i said i dont care

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Then don't reply faggot.

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you need to read more

It's just changing fiction man, in some settings elves are basically angelic demi-gods who are good at everything because they're legit higher forms of life, in some they're tree hugging hippies who are very good with bows and live super long but are otherwise pretty shit, and in some they're hyper nationalistic slave owning volcano tribals who eat and wear dead bugs.
An elf can be anything with imagination.

What books do you suggest?
I realize that, I just have very particular tastes, not very good ones though.

hey user tell me, what is she studying now?

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how to use elf guts for a love potion

painless suicide

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I recommend the Wizard Knight by Gene Wolfe and the Malazan books by Steven Erikson. The Wizard Knight is two books and combines elements of Arthurian myth and Norse mythology. Malazan is a ten book series on war written by an anthropologist and the man is dedicated to making interesting races and cultures.

Dunmer are the best and I love the Morrowind concept art.

How to win back your man, also dragons.

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Mein Kampf.

What Morrowind did with elves was cool as fuck and I wish more settings got that creative

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>Wanting to sell out humanity for maybe xeno titty
>Not wanting to enslave elves which GUARANTEES xeno titties
Typical race traitors

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>ball gag in front of the teeth
Fucking weebs always getting it wrong

>Finally get to the infamous magma titan episode
Jesus Christ, how the fuck do you think you can write shit like this and expect anyone to side with anyone other than Viran on literally every point?

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Thanks N'Wah. They don't seem like my thing but I appreciate the suggestions, maybe I'll look into them at Barnes and Noble or the library next time I'm there.
I agree, Morrowind had a bunch of cool shit that for some reason Bethesda abandoned. Possible they wanted to be more normie friendly as some of it bordered on "Freak-Shit". Like how Argonians' lifespan originally had them all start as women, then metamorphosis into men as they got older. It's cool but I worry stuff like that interferes with what the reader can relate to in the story.

But user, half the fun of TES lore is explaining to normies how their dragons and vikings game has bizarre hindu metaphysics, time travelling autistic robots who REEEE reality into breaking, and literally anything about Vivec.

One of these days on some lazy day off work I'm going to sit down and read deep into the lore behind TES. I only have surface knowledge of it but the hints at the weird shit make me curious.

When will they learn?

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Wait till you get to tonal architecture and crazy elves concluding that reality(as in the whole metaphysical tapestry) was nowhere near up to their exacting standards.

He's growing a harem, I have faith he can make it.

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well? :
discord.gg/S7Ecxtb

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The chad viren towers over puny Harrow and his wife's son

Forgot image

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Boy, you're in for a wild ride.
Pro-tip, use the Numidium as your main reference point, an absolute metric fuckton of TES's lore leads back to or branches off of Numidium.
Shit like the history of chimer (later became dunmer) and dwemer with leads to the history of Morrowind including the Tribunal and Dagoth Ur, the towers and their stones, the concept of CHIM and zero sum which leads to Amaranth which leads to Anu and the godhead and the true nature of the world (which leads to mundas, oblivion, Aetherius, and the wheel in general), the general timeline of the second and third era, dragon breaks, etc... All branch off of or circle back into Numidium.

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hah he literally is harrow's wife's son, nice

Calling it now, it's gonna turn out the Aaravos was the one who originally taught humans how to do dark magic, meaning he's the reason the other elves went autistic about humans and forced them out of their own lands, meaning that in the end fucking knife ears are responsible for literally everything bad that ever happened to humans and deserve a merciless and immediate genocide.

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>Not putting a powerpoint in "What I got"
I'm disappointed in you

That makes more sense, you take less of an investment loss with only 9 episodes instead of 13 or ever 26 if the show really fails.

The fact that Harrow specifically had his armor made to make him the tiniest bit taller than Viren makes me laugh every time.

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>how to project your racial politics onto fantasy races in a kids show:
the thread

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Its very possible, apparently those books Viren was looking in for info on him were written in danish and people translated it. He's called a friend to all humans and gives gifts and offerings to them to aid them.

>Literally gave magic to the poor powerless scrubs.
>An elven Prometheus that got ostracized by his people for caring.
You're just making a case for why Aaravos should rule humanity.

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we know mr bluesky over here has been locked up somewhere. He doesn't know where. We also have reason to believe that the rulers of the largest human kingdom were given a magical key to something Aaravos related. My guess is that that star man did something fucked "for the greater good" and the elves decided to lock him up and give the human race the key. keep the two as separated as possible. Also theoretically Aaravos is inside the cube and mastering its power will only end terribly.

For some reason Harrow thought It'd be a good idea for Callum to have the cubekey. I wonder if he actually knew what it was (doubtful, or he'd have said so in the letter). There has to be a reason beyond plot convenience or Harrow wouldn't have mentioned a trinket he kept in his winter lodge.

The lore of the show states that literally every living thing (plants, animals, monsters, sentient races like elves, everything) is born with a part of its soul intrinsically linked to one of the world's primordial magic sources (the moon, the sky, the stars, etc.) EXCEPT for humans who lack that "spark" of magical connection.

One day, humans discovered that what they lack in magical potential, they can take from other beings, that's what Dark Magic is, removing the spark of magic in others to fuel your own spells. The way we've seen it used in the show is that it involves first killing the being then preserving a part of its body, preferably correlated to the spell you wish to cast, to extract the magic from at a later date. Extracting the magic leads to the disintegration of the part. For example, we've seen them use the heart of a magma golem to cast a warmth spell to keep the farmlands productive even through winter, the eye of a griffin for an homing ballast spell, a tentacle for a binding spell, etc.

Dark Magic also seems to be able to sap life force from living things, we've seen dark magic users keep vivarium of butterflies to suck the life out of and rejuvenate themselves, and a dark magician kill a baby deer to uncripple her paraplegic brother.

what is she thinking?

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A wooden cude you keep in your winter lodge is unlikely to be stolen nor is it somewhere any one who knew what it was would look for it.

"HOW THE FUCK DO I JERKY GRIFFIN EYE?"

post Claudia

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Elves are afraid of dark nagic because they're basically walking fuel for it.

Well since he still has all the food that seems unlikely.

>>Dark Magic is bad because you have to kill animals to use it (literally no worse than eating meat)

Ever played TES games? They have soulstones which are powered by trapping souls of living beings inside of them. When used up you have nullified the existence of a creature, its supposedly immortal soul has been utterly destroyed in a universe where gods and afterlives canonically exist. This does not happen if you kill them and eat them as food. Dark magic is top evil.

Does the planet count as magical? Is the end game to somehow channel all of the earth and blow it up in some big "fuck everything" plot?

>He's called a friend to all humans and gives gifts and offerings to them to aid them.
Blue Sauron.

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Sorry man, this show isn't made for sociopaths.

>someone brings up real problems with how a system works
>W-WHAT ARE YOU DOING SILLY GOYS??? C-COMIES!!! QUICK, SOMEONE MAKE THIS ABOUT LIBERAL VS. CONSERVATIVE AGAIN!!!

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Right, but it's been noted (so far) that dark magic uses a living beinging's energy to fuel it.

There isn't anything mentioned about the soul or afterlife.

We may learn more of religion and gods later, but as it stands, dark magic is just one creature absorbing the power of another, like it would when it eats it.
Further complicated when it's otherwise powerless humans claiming magic from Xadians to balance the scales of an unfair universe.

The show is obviously taking a hardcore liberal view point and suggesting 'HUMAN BAD, DRAGON GOOD' so I suspect you may be retroactively made correct once it's clear the audience is siding with Viren and co.

Sauron did nothing wrong, he only wanted to bring industry and progress into Middle Earth

>Elves throwing humans out of Xadia for using forbidden magic Aaravos taught them
>Aaravos is right there, pretending to be cross with them.
>"YOU HAVE SULLIED YOURSELF WITH THIS ABOMINABLE CRAFT!"
>(whispered): "You guys did so well. I'm really proud."
>"BE GONE FROM XADIA"
>"Keep using dark magic. It's the shit!"
>"AND NEVER RETURN!"
>"I love you."

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This.

I'm fine with shows using monarchy because it's easier to depict than other forms of government.
But when if you start trying to depict politics and national tensions, having your heroes be flawed but ultimately good does not gel with them being absolute monarchs.

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Says who? Aside from MoonShadow Assassin elves, was there any mention of elves being free to go past the border whenever they wanted? The assassin were attacked on sight, just for being elves.

I think his implication was that Elves have the power to sneak or force their way in due to their inherient magic - humans cannot due to the Dragons on the border.

Keep seeing the word 'liberal' being thrown around, but the show has most of the protagonists being unquestionally loved Royalty and Nobles with the villain being explicitly depicted as a servant who doesn't know his place.

It then tries to 'both sides' the human vs elf/dragon conflict despite the more powerful magical creatures forcibly displacing the humans and creating a giant border between them and violently killing any humans who try to cross, but don't hold themselves to the same standard.

For all it's representation, if the show keeps playing it straight, Dragon Prince has a pretty traditional conservative message.

How can one girl be so best?

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In fairness, I actually think you have a point, I may have jumped to mis-use liberal because I'm on Yea Forums and this place has be trained like one of Pavlov's dogs.

When you think about it, the show is siding with with the Elves and Dragons. The creatures born with inate inherited power. Inherited privilege, if you will.

The humans have nothing and are co-opting the Elves privilege for themselves, with the aid of a subservive 5th column in the Elven ranks.

Which depending on how they settle things at the conclusion, may suggest this show is either 'Woke' or 'Based and Redpilled'. Which is pretty good given they said they wanted grey morality.

They're coming at it from a hippy-dippy humanitarian perspective, but the show is actually taking a pretty pro-Elf/Dragon establishment message so far, which you could view as a pro-European view point - especially if you consider the human Princes are both mixed race and the main elf character is celtic in culture.

Are you literally retarded?

these guys are looking fire emblem as fuck.

>be me
>head of village
>neighboring village asks for food
>"I am sorry, but we have barely harvested enough for the tithe."
>"I understand. We shall query the queen instead."
>tax collector comes around
>"What? You're asking for almost twice the normal amount! We'll be forced to draw into our own reserves!"
>he tells me that there are others who do not have such reserves
>I remember our neighboring town
>"Very well. See to it that Fletcher's Hill receives a portion of our aid.
>he can't promise anything
>he leaves
>once again, my neighbors beg me for food.
>I tell them to wait for the aid, and that we have already sacrificed enough
>another week passes, they bring me a caravan of refugees and an offering of their harvest
>they tell me it was given to them by the Queen, but it won't be enough
>it's barely a tenth of the extra food I was told would be redistributed
>I accept the males and a few richer families, and tell the rest to go somewhere else
>find out that our harvest was sent to another kingdom
>our villages toiled and toiled for that
>all our hard work for that

>outside of Yea Forums Korra is generally a very well loved show
You must not go outside of Yea Forums very often.

What. The western side was magically barren BEFORE the humans were exiled there.

>delicious brown with glowing orange markings
>blue purple gradient with glitter
>basic bitch the color of smoked ham
Man, Moonshadow elves look like crap compared to the others.

>its supposed to be morally grey
Maybe. But it comes out as morally dumb.

>but the show has most of the protagonists being unquestionally loved Royalty and Nobles
But the politics they preach are unarguably liberal. Extremely liberal, even.
If I really was reaching, I guess I could say that the show tries to preach extreme obedience to the enlightened higher class (university-educated wealthy families) that the dark masses (working class) should just always listen to instead of trying to think for themselves. I don't actually believe that, but you know.

I really, really hate it how dark magic, particularly is the case of Claudia healing her brother, is attempted to be shown as "bad".

Had my own brother become quadriplegic and I was told I could heal him by killing a single baby deer, I would have hunted it myself no matter how long it took, killed whatever stood in my way, and then, if needed, strangled the animal with my bared hands after which conducting any necessary inhumanly cruel rituals. I would also sacrifice a part of my own health for it.
And anyone, fucking ANYONE with a lick of common sense would say I was completely right to do so and call me a hero for sacrificing so much basically saving my brother's life.
Hell, any sane, loving parent or sibling would do the same and much, much worse.

But noooo, BLACK MAGIC BAD. Fuck this fucking retarded writing.

BUT BABY DEER CUTE

MY EMOTIONS SAY THIS BAD WRONG

If it weren't for Viren's food aid magic, Harrow would have had a peasant revolt screaming for his blood. But since this is a cartoon they can gloss over the more unpleasant societal consequences of and engineered famine.

Viren is unironically a hero. He pulled a solution out of his ass and saved a hundred thousand lives with literal epic magic. The human kingdoms should respect him more than Gandalf.

Has anyone mentioned that the geography of this season makes no sense? Callum and co flew on a phoenix for a while, then sailed for two days, then walked a bit more, all in the same direction, and ended up almost at the same exact place where the dragon and the siblings were, even though the latter didn't move anywhere as quickly and not even necessarily in the same direction. How the fuck?

>all in the same direction

Why would you assume that? The sea is east of the moon shrine. The border is north of the sea. They went the long way around.

>lack of class mobility and class gap
>communism
>the classless, stateless ideology
>lack of class mobility and class gap
Holy shit people are so fucking retarded. State capitalism like the USSR suck. Communism is utopian bullshit, but at least know what you're trying to be pseud about before you start typing, you fucking mongoloid.

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>They went the long way around.
They FLEW for a long time, then the sea ended up between them and their destination.
What kinda of retarded route was that and why did they take it? Even if they did take it, how come the siblings arrived there earlier?

>ideology
That's the core word, dumbass. Any real life communism absolutely does have classes.

>But the politics they preach are unarguably liberal. Extremely liberal, even.
What are those politics?

If it's Harrow's little speeches, there's a reason we say 'practice what you preach'.

Harrow was enlightened enough to realise the inherent unfairness of his position, but not enough to consider giving it up in any way. And certainly not enough to realise how he considered using it to damn 50000.

I don't necessarily think the show should go there but the show shouldn't have had Harrow verbalize anti-monarchist sentiment if it wasn't going to follow through. They could have just stuck to Harrow realising the weight that's on his shoulders thanks to his position and that would have been enough.

Map for reference

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Peasants don’t matter, all that matters is that the king gets to feel good about himself.

>What are those politics?
Sacrificing 50000 of your own people for 50000 people of another country.
Basic undertones of environmentalism ("natural" magic vs "unnatural" dark magic").
General "emotions over logic" like in the case with the attempt to seem the dragon who burned the town seem in the right.

It's not of much help if we cannot chart a route the characters took.

Just look the official site

thedragonprince.com/world/

Katolis is 3 and the nexus is 11..

Then that user's claim makes no sense at all. They obviously took the straightest route possible, east to the sea, crossing it on a boat, then further to the east. Except, again, they also flew for a big part of it, and sailing should've been faster than traveling on the land still. So how the fuck did the sibling catch up to them?

>thedragonprince.com/world/
I figured it out!

_______________________________________________________________________________________It's a kids show idiots________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

>using this retarded cop-out
Fuck off with your stupid bait.

That map makes no sense. Wasn't Katolis at the border? Why would Viren have to beg for help if Duren is actually closer to the elves?

but it isn't shown as evil. The elves treat it as such however the audience are supposed to be open to the view that the elves may be deeply wrong themselves. Claudia isn't treated as evil, through out season two she's one of if not the most compassionate characters shown. Actually being honest about the death of harrow and deciding not to emotionally take advantage of the boys. So when we see this character who previously been shown really loving cute things we are supposed to sympathise with the personal saccrifices she makes to support her brother. killing the sacred deer wasn't pure evil it was just grey. An event that exists purely to mirror the events surrounding the magma giant.

Soren broke his back because of the consequences of his own aggression. It wasn't an accident and Soren certainly wasn't an innocent victim. instead of letting her brother live with the consequences of his own aggression Claudia decides to perpetuate the cycle of violence. It is not the idea of using dark magic to heal a broken back that is criticised but rather letting another suffer the consequences of your own actions. Though this time it may have been a mindless beast how long before it is a sentient being, a king of dragons or otherwise.

Elf ancestors

Change.org petition for a beach episode

How many signatures would it get?

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It's not just the elves. Even the humans deeply distrust dark magic, when they should be very, very thankful to have a dark mage on their side.

We know they started from the same point, on the mountain of the Moon Shrine. We know they ended up on the same point, on the town near the border. It's not a straight route, probably because of that moon path.

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It would have to be some sort of dream sequence or what-if AU scenario so we could see Aaravos in a speedo.

Fucking Elves.
And people wonder why they are hated.

The only good elf is a half-elf with fat ears

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One panda and some damage sustained by the caster to save thousands of lives? How is that not a just cost to spend for others?

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It should have been seen as a noble sacrifice, the dark mage giving up their own health to help others.

Christ those ears are the worst of both worlds, neither long nor fat

I thought that scene was more to show how dark magic takes a large toll on the caster, probably draining their own "life energy".

>speedo
>implying he wouldn't wear something that would make the Dead or Alive X-Treme Beach Volleyball players blush

Slippery Slope bullshit is generally the ballpark of the hackiest of writers

Who the hell is this btw?

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>S2:E7
>"Fire and Fury"

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It's the elephant king's son who doesn't like vegetables, he was mentioned once in the council

oh! lel

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modern writers think that villains that fail everything are menacing

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Remind me to TLJ. In any case, I don't think liberal is the right term because America is conservative at its core but I'd prefer to use neoliberal or corporative view. You know, the current direction of the world in general is going back to feudalism but with CEOs instead of feudal lords and the corporations that are literally killing the planet as the moral guardians. Conservatives vs liberals are irrelevant, especially in America. Both despise the working class.

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the lack of Sokka was the reason why korra suck

My best guess is that Aarivos taught the humans some kind of 'modified' dark magic and is filtering off their life whenever it's used, hense him egging on people to use it (Viren and the mirror, and perhaps Callum via the cube if the theory of it being the real prison/key is true).

You could call it ultraprogressive or something.

Harrow was retarded with that decision, I'm yet to find anyone who disagrees, although environmentalist message is fair, dunno about the dragon tho, it was more like "breaking the cycle of violence" and she's an elf who might or might not be a slave to the dragons

>she's an elf
The brothers were of the same exact opinion.

Neoliberal work better. What about corporative progressive? It's necessary to put emphasis they're cucks for the económico system. A Netflix original after all.

>debt of gratitude
>monarchies
Kings and queens are quick to forget debts.

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My Tolkien lore is shit, how did Sauron help humans?

It's sort of in-between. Liberals at heart want a heavily authoritarian system like communism but if pressed will claim they do not (yet). I think this is kind of the main conflict within liberals as a whole right now. Kind of like someone denying that they are gay. This show is kind of in a gray zone I don't think it matches quite with today's structure but has parallels in some places, but they are scattered among different sides. Also, its a kid show so you have stupid comic book shit like everyone unanimously thinking "Superman how could you kill someone who murdered 10000 babies and was about to kill 10000 more! You're literally as bad as him now!"

holy shit the elves are fucking arrogant i hope they got just desert

Elf sorcery...also wasn't Callum more willing to leave the dragon to his fate?

Accurate, but you are forgetting that Hollywood is trying to become the new center of culture/morality and SJW church. While actively raping child actors as an entry fee.

Hollywood is a propaganda machine for corporative views, and arguably a laundry money machine

are those wings in that motherfucker in the left?

So kind of like the Catholic Church?

Touche

Sky Elves nigga.

We've yet to see Ocean and Earth elves.

>Hollywood hates Catholics
>Because it wants to BE them

P O T T E R Y

He 'helped' the men of Numenor and corrupted the society from within by being a charismatic bastard until they got so decadent/bad God decided to sink their island. The men of Numenor sailed to Middle-Earth and established Gondor/the bloodline of kings Aragorn is descended from. Their experience with Sauron turned them organised religion.

That's kinda my point. But this is with any religion/culture center. Rabbis suck the blood out of infant dics, Muslims fuck young boys in the ass. SJWs "freed" themselves of religion and erected a new worse god. I think there's a fable about frog's demanding a king or something along these lines. But modern Hollywood is "YAAAAAS bitch!" culture. That's now infecting politics and is the final blow against the separation of church/state. The government will be able to war with whomever it pleases as long as the populace is kept distracted with "Wow progressivism! though!" which was basically the war during Obama years going almost completely unreported on for 8 years.

Hotter than aaravos

Sauron used to be able to shapeshift. In the form of a beautiful elf, he approached the elven smiths that were friends of Moria as Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts". He befriended them, and helped them craft the Rings of Power: 7 rings for the dwarfs, 9 for the humans. Sauron then created secretly the One Ring that held power over the rest. But the elves had crafted 3 rings for themselves without his help and were able to resist his influence somewhat, unlike the humans, who became the Nazgul, and the dwarves who tore themselves apart from greed.

War ensued. Sauron ended up captured by the Numenoreans, a powerful ancient island kingdom of humans. In his guise as "Lord of Gifts" he was able to influence them, drive them into evil, and convince them to launch an invasion of the undying land far to the west, where the gods dwelt. Eru Illuvatar, the supreme god did not take lightly to this, destroyed the Numenorean armada and sank the island of Numenor.

Some survivors had resisted Sauron's influence and fled to the east before all shit hit the fan. They were the founders of Gondor. Their king, Isildur, cut Sauron's fingers in the last battle but refused to destroy the ring. Aragorn is his descendant.

It'd make a lot more sense if deaf aunt was a ninja-like one-woman army specialized in infiltration misions. If the enemy captured her, she can't talk and nobody would mourn her because she's deaf. Feudal societies didn't have compasion for the cripple, that's a very modern sensibility. Deaf aunt could become badass for being dishonoured by her family so she had something to proof. Then you have a character still implausible in feudal times because a woman but at least her disability mean something

You don't really need to know what she says to understand the tone and feelings the scene conveys. It'd be the same if she could talk but in that scene they'd show only her back from a distance talking to the grave, without you hearing anything.
This show has a ton of problems and deaf shield-aunt herself has many, but that scene wasn't one of them.

Dark Magic is just Alchemy FMA Edition.
Turn one thing into another.

And I bet Aavaros had a hand in it. He probably was the one that taught humans how to do it.

Mate, why you applying fake historical information to a show that isn't even grounded in real-world history?

Real-Fantasy worlds aside, it really doesn't make much sense that no one but her interpreter knows sign language if she's in a commanding position. What would she do in the field when her redhead fuckboi's not around? Bang her head against her shield like a gong to get her men's attention?

Do you expect us to join that shitty Discord channel?

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Dark magic is analogous to fossil fuels.

Dark Magic is death as part of the circle of life.
Something dies, becomes grass.
Dark magic kills something, turns it into fuel.

So Oil

Do people complain about the logical flaws of the show outside Yea Forums? Many posts here are /pol/tards projecting their shit among the legit criticism like the bizarre elitist message but TDP pander hard to the average Netflix consumer (pic related) so they're way more willing to ignore the flaws and even rationalize them because Viren is literally Drumf

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He’s basically a Canadian prime minister

That’s what the writers did.

>Liberals at heart want a heavily authoritarian system like communism
Wut.
Liberalism is highly concerned over individual liberty and communists traditionally hate liberalism.

Black magic will be revealed to cause some kind of magical 'global warming' equivalent that is slowly destroying magic for everyone else, but humans won't want to give it up because it can be used for a lot of good in the short term.

...

sshhh, dont you know that liberalism = communism? thats what /pol/ taught me you filthy npc :^)

If those texts are in human hands and presumably written by humans, how did they come under the influence of Elf magic?

Dark Magic, Light Magic, Science, Memes, the point is that shit spirals beyond our control and understanding very rapidly and that's something we have to deal with best we can.

I know Pearl's speech from Steven Universe about systems affecting people rather than concrete evil is mocked, but the truth is that it's both.

We're subject to both the tragedy of the commons, and dicks. So try to keep up best you can.

>what are colloquial definitions

That's classical liberalism, liberal democracy. Today's "liberalism", or more accurately leftism, wants a big socialist authoritarian daddy to take care of everything and don't mind sacrificing stuff like free speech for it.

Democrats refer to themselves as liberal even though they are not.

>I'm too dumb to differentiate between social and economic policy

Elven magic is [i]that[/i] strong.

Save with conservatives, just replace 'socialist' with 'Christian'--though I wouldn't call half of these people Christians in the first place.

>at least her disability mean something
Some audiences are getting tired of seeing people with disabilities that always need to “mean something.” There are a lot of disabled characters already where their handicap is turned into a tragic backstory or some kind of super power. There are a lot of people that just want to see more characters that are just crippled as a side trait and otherwise normal and capable people. Because when you actually are disabled, that’s the kind of person you usually aspire to be, and the kind you want to relate to.

It sucks to be alive in feudal times. Tolerance and acceptance are a luxury for advanced enviroment, see the Persians and the medieval muslims giving rights to women and religious tolerance to the conquered territories.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZITP93pqtdQ
Libertarians are corporate shills in favor of open borders
That leftist description is spot-on though

I haven't really kept tabs on Libertarian party, but I thought that was the ideologies main shtick. I can't take the party seriously after that guy stripped and danced naked like an autismo.

But yea regardless, the US is fucked and will probably so fuedal shit warzone by 2050.

Is there some reason these threads are being used as thinly veiled /pol/ whining?

I'm a liberal and none of what you said applies to what I believe. Most of your complaints aren't even a result of liberal policies, they're a result of unchecked capitalism.

/pol/ leaks everywhere nowadays.

The you aren't a liberal.

People are sick of politics in their cartoons

case in point

Which is a result of liberals wanting media as their source of morality and values.

Because I'm sick of politics in my entertainment un /pol/

You're parroting a standard right-wing talking point. Talk about the actual show or fuck off.

So that mirror elf is pretty cute.

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I expected a much different voice from the pictures I saw beforehand.

there are far more elves than humans, not to mention elves live longer
we can;t let elf/human relations happen or else the human race will be bred out

They really missed an opportunity to have either Steve Blum or Liam O'Brian voice him. Either of them would've suited him better.

As did I, but I'm glad they went for sinister chocolate.

/pol/-shit aside, there's a very interesting plot hidden under the PG ratings standards and hackery. Think in the neanderthals and the homo sapiens or the story of two sentient species that can't coexist and have to commit genocide to have a future with all the moral implications and PTSD

>Rayla: Farewell Callum. My life was meaningful because of you

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That would be reversed since the elves are the ones who are supposed to be on the planet.

Dark magic could be the weapon the turn the waves, even if it hurts the user. What about a human fused with dark magic? You can call it Darkman (that name it's already taken but Netflix has enough money for getting away with it)

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>Not wanting that liquid chocolate voice on Aaravos
You disgust me

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>What about a human fused with dark magic?
What does that even mean?

I think he's suggesting his pic related, though that's kind of already Viren's thing, so apparently it just makes you a bad tactician easily led by beefcake mirrors.

Koh's voice fits fine.

*that laughing 'well'*
made me cum desu

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With timeline fuckery if Terminator is the guest, he can easily be included in story mode as a "time quake". Just have him show up with his circuits fried from time travel and his mis-identifies Sonya as John's mom or something. This better end in him getting dunked in lava in the netherrealm or something.

anybody have the shadow elves?

Good thing for them the show doesn’t take place in our feudal times then, but instead is set in a literal fantasy world with magic and dragons.

>A huge red dragon is circling the town
>Soren: Wtf are you doing here? Why don't you even man your posts?
>Soldier: Well, it hasn't attacked yet.
Absolute retards.

The siblings did have horses, could travel by the main roads and weren't bringing a 10 year old with them. Though I suppose Corvus should have slowed them somewhat.

That’s all stories that involve humans and elves though

I still say it’d be pretty damn funny if that wasn’t his real voice, and that’s just what the caterpillar sounds like.

>A huge red dragon is circling the town
>Send men to man the ballistas
>Dragon just keeps circling
>Three days pass, all it does is prod us with false divebombs
>Don't wanna be the asshole that causes an international incident so call it's bullshit and send the men back to their normal posts
>Some kingsguard shows up and demands we shoot the dragon
>He misses and the damn thing starts torching the city
>Dozens of lives are lost, several more injured, half the town burned to the ground, elves will probably be up our ass the next full moon
"Just shoot the dragon" he said...

They have pretty significant budget restrictions (hence the cheap animation) compared to a lot of shows. They may not be able to afford a more well-known voice actor. It would be cool if the show runners got to work with Grey DeLisle, Mark Hamil or Clancy Brown again, but they may not be able to afford them.

The dragon is the one trespassing and looking for an excuse to burn the town to ashes. And if at any time it decided to attack, it would've gotten them even worse since no one was paying mind to it.
Seriously, how was there no mass panic when a fucking dragon is around your town.

Haven't watched this show yet but the more I hear about it the more elves seem to be more assholes than they usually are in this sort of thing. From what I understand

>Humans and Elves live together relatively with Elves being all high and mighty because they have the natural super cool magic and they don't
>Humans get access to Dark Magic which is actually pretty rad when used properly
>Elves throw an autist fit and instead of just going after the ones messing around with it, they decide to kick literally EVERYONE out their homes
>Humans trying to get back on their feet while Elves still like better than thou cunts
>Human rightfully going "man fuck those guys" and uses dark magic for good with no downsides as of yet
>This guy is treated as a villain for some reason
>Elves and dragons are tight even though dragons are also assholes apparently
>Dragon looking to start shit and at the slightest provocation torches some humans
>To the elves this is the humans fault and they continue to hound them after all the shit they put them through already

They should just go full dark magic and fuck those elves over good if they continue this shit.

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Claudia. Post. More. Claudia

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There's a reason this show attracts the HFY crowd

If it's death for humans to cross into the East then it's death for dragons and knife-ear to cross into the West!

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>Aarvos gave Dark Magic to the humans
>Aarvos also helped drive them out west
What's his game? Is he using the humans as part of a millennia long gambit to fuck up the primal purists? Or did he only help exile them as a more merciful alternative to full-on genocide?

Huh, I never noticed there are people from the different human nations in that group shot

I suspect they'll go full Sauron and It'll turn out all dark magic users empower/are beholden to him in some way

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see

No

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Cowards won't make it happen

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first TDP fansong???
youtube.com/watch?v=w7LLolWK-HI

Problem is the proof was weak and when does the debt end? You see this same shit today with US and Europe relations.

Second, we have Fresh Prince of Xadia by Vacaroo user.

Man I hope the Kingdom with the big ass Elephant on it's banner has War Elephants.

Who is this cute goth chick?

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people who think using different species to tackle human racial issues works
IT'S A DIFFERENT SPECIES WHY WOULD I EVER CHOOSE ANYTHING BUT THAT WHICH BENEFITS HUMANITY?

Okay, go be edgy somewhere else.

what does being logical have to do with being edgy?

I would actually love something like this, the bad guys is actually helping humans out pure good will even if it could be perceived as something negative

Can't tell what Evenere and Duren's real world counterparts are supposed to be.

>Helping
>Convince them to use soulsucking magic that put them at odds with half the world when they could just meditate for a while to use normal magic

Just watched this first time, I didn't get black magic bad out of the whole thing. More just bigger works of it require bigger sacrifices. I was actually expecting Claudia to give up part of her life force after the spell and be aged up or something.

This show is pretty balanced so far on views of everyone, although Harrow is a retard for the food choice.

I like the idea too that he's just fascinated with humans because they aren't as set in their ways as the elves. And over time he's come to a sense of patronage over them and wants them to succeed. Of course only under his guidance.

Ultimately he'd lead humanity down a terrible, bloody path, but he wouldn't do it out of malice.

I wonder if they could pull a villain like that off.

that's why I said perceived as something negative, imagine he truthfully believes he's helping people by teaching them a kind of magic that humans seem to be able to use without having to go through life and death meditation scenarios

Yet its world we live in. See every political issue like guns, abortion, etc.

I'd like this.

It'd be neat if over time, Aaravos and Viren became actual allies with the goal of liberating humanity, no matter the cost.

Would you watch it Yea Forums?

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I think its pretty clear most of, if not all of the people directly under her command have some understanding of sign language. Otherwise she wouldn't have let said fuckboi behind.

Is that you I draw what I want?
Where do you post your shit now?

Elven holocaust when?

>red banners and capes with plate armour
Katolis
>on the far left, white-gold banners and asian armour
Lesbian queendom
>Centre-left, blue and gold with turbans
Elephant kingdom
>Far right, furs, braided blonde and red hair and leather jackets
Norse kingdom, hope to see more of these guys.
Maybe we'll get a minor character from each kingdom?

>Humans get access to Dark Magic which is actually pretty rad when used properly
To play elf's advocate: Imagine that this population of humans suddenly have access to a type of magic that is harmful to everything magically related, aka everything in Xadia including you, that grants them immense powers.
Not only can they kill you; they can kill us while using you to fuel a magic attack that would kill more of you.
It's a terrible threat to your way of life. Tell me honestly; if we were elves, would you have been content with banishing humans to the other side of the continent, or would you have outright exterminated them?

what?
what are you saying there mate?

There are missing 2 other kingdoms, they are 5 after all, I guess the ones that are in an island and who else again?

Well maybe we shouldn't have given them a reason to rise up by lording our own powers over them.

But you ARE superior. Why wouldn't you lord over them? You could even argue that the decision to ban humans to the west by the elves is, for lack of a better term, humane.

Should I draw more of the Gilf Elf?

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>didnt even noticed that link
shit job of sharing this mate, got it anyway and archive it

Is Dark Magic harmful to magically related stuff on a passive level or is that just related to the whole sacrifice thing? The impression I got is that it took a bit of a toll on the caster and requires a sacrifice. Its basically a different type of tool that can cause damage just as much as the magic elves themselves wield if any of them went a bit nuts with it. Its not inherently corruptive to the user (don't mean it like how any power corrupts sort of way) is it?

I mean we hunt deer for food already. To kill a single deer and tiring yourself out in order to perform a crazy feat of healing like that seems like a pretty good trade off unless something else is revealed.

It basically comes down to how elves think they know better than everyone when really they are not much different than humans.

I vote yes

>Why wouldn't you lord over them?
Because a day might come where the humans get access to an efficient form of magic that can not only harm me but functions on harming beings like me.

Well that's confirmed then

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Remember how Korra had milfs and cougars everywhere?

Seems like TDP is that but for daddies.

In the first batch of episodes it was mentioned that you needed magical creatures for it to work. How they got their hands on the magic butterflies was never explained.

But in the second batch they show that it can be fueled by plain creatures like deer, that can be found where they live, so what gives. I don't know why it is that Viren wants to invade Xadia, if it isn't to find stuff to perform dark magic with. Perhaps the magical creatures would let him do more powerful spells and her just power-hungry? At this point his motivations are really muddy, to the point in which they showed him as wanting to back down but suddenly pushed over the edge by star elf Aaaravos.

If they rise up, you put them down. It is only through the mercy of elves and dragons that humans are not extinct. And it's not like the western kingdoms are a shithole; they fucking thrive in there!

i.imgur.com/LTZ6Xzp.jpg

They probably already extirpated the rarer magical creatures with specific or powerful effects on their half of the continent, or else they wouldn't have to sneak over to harvest various things. Claudia was lucky that she healing spell she wanted to use was more of a necromantic exchange thing than a ritual with outlandish requirements like her tracking spell.

If the east has all the magic beasts and the west has none, I wonder how Viren and his kids got their hands on the two-headed snake, the moon butterfly and all that stuff they use to conjure. We can see that the border with Xadia is a huge volcanic wasteland patrolled by dragons, so they'd have to have gone deep into the east for them.

Yeah, but there are also boats, and that's a long border. Smugglers probably know how to get across, or there are elves that help them.

I guess it's easy to sneak in with a small group, and the dragons really only check that large forces don't cross. I mean, what harm can a small party do?
Except, you know, when your small party is an elite death squad.
Though they were sent by the queen of dragons, so they didn't sneak in; they reported back to her when the king was dead. Was the queen the dragon we see at the end of the season? Sol something?

I got the impression the elves don't generally cross, since it was such a big deal that one group was coming and they had a wildly inflated idea of how dangerous they were. Humans would have more of an incentive if that's where the valuable stuff is located and there's a relatively safe way to do it.

Dark magic spells are very specific when it comes to ingredients. Some spells require a wasp thorax and won't work with a wasp abdomen, even though they are parts of the same animal. You can use deer for one spell, but not for all spells.
>Claudia was lucky that she healing spell she wanted to use was more of a necromantic exchange thing than a ritual with outlandish requirements like her tracking spell.
The spell specifically required a deer for it to work, that's why she had Ezran take her to a special kind of bush deer are known to love. She wasn't looking for a dog, or a fox, or just any animal, it had to be a deer. It wasn't any more necromantic than usual.

Yes, but the point is deer aren't rare and she didn't have to climb a specific mountain or anything. She could have just asked a local where deer are known to appear too.

Well, yeah, she was lucky she was next to a forest and not in, say, Neolandia, where people only see deer in tapestries.

>wildly inflated idea of how dangerous they were
I mean, they're assassins. They kind of need the element of surprise to work; the fact that they succeeded at all is pretty commendable.
That said, they shouldn't have; Harrow placed like fifteen guys to defend him and stayed in his room. He really wanted to die and I guess he let the soldiers fight for him because he can't command them to let the king be murdered. What a dumbass.

yes.
Elf Gilf needs more love

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The element of surprise matters, but even when they knew about the impending attack they were still freaking out like the elves were going to be unstoppable, but in practice they were all stopped and we don't actually know if one of them managed to kill the king or it was just Viren shenanigans.

>elves who don't care about Xadia or the war just wanting to do trade with the humans
>elves who think Dark Magic is actually pretty neat and collaborating with the humans to master it
That'd be pretty neat

Besides the theory of the body switch with the bird (Which obviously will happen), the elves had to have killed the king's body at least, for their magic oath murderband to fall off.

It was really funny how they were supposed to become invisible in the full moon, but the random guards could fight them off nonetheless.

Unless Viren killed his body during the transfer. All we know is that his body is dead enough for the spell to consider the deed done.

If elves can master dark magic, which is basically the Fell from Warcraft, imagine the kind of havoc they'd cause in a civil war. Fuck. The more we talk about it, the less I can fault them for banishing humans. The dark magic itself is the bane of Xadia.

Why would he want to save him while killing his body himself? The whole point of the transfer was to keep Harrow from dying.

If Viren still cared for Harrow and switched his body, it doesn't make sense for him to kill his body.

If Viren doesn't care for Harrow and wants to seize power, the transfer doesn't make sense since the other'd be better off dead.

If Viren isn't interesting in seizing power, he probably wouldn't have instructed his son to murder the princes.

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What I hope is that the story doesn't pull out something retarded like that Viren wanted to seize power but wanted to also gloat about it to Harrow so he put him in the bird, and later he can be brought back to life.

I just hope he doesn't try to say there was a perfectly legitimate reason to order regicide.

The soul always gets destroyed in TES lore actually, well, kinda.
There's two real parts to a soul, I forget the specific terms but it's basically the race/memories/personality and the blank slate the personality latches onto, when you trap a soul what you really trap is this personality and the blank slate still goes to the dream sleeve to be recycled back into the world, here's the thing, when a soul passes into the dream sleeve that personality part will be erased after time eventually until the blank slate is all that's left and it gets recycled back into the world, so at the end of the day the "soul" is always destroyed.
This is also why the Nerevine and the Dragonborn can be any races in Morrowind and Skyrim despite the originals being a Dunmer and a Nord.

Glad to see there are some people outside Yea Forums that realize the writing is bullshit

>Some audiences are getting tired of seeing people with disabilities that always need to “mean something.”
Nigga, if the disability doesn't add a single thing to the plot or character than it has no reason to be there in the first place and just adds some unneccessary clutter.