"I care so much about 2D animation in the western demographic."

Big Smoke, remember that name

I think it's alright and a pretty fun show, but God do I hate the animation style and designs

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No one would give a shit about it if not for the fact that, except for the underage and guest, EVERY female character is sexualized

I dislike the characters and the show in general but I really like how flexible it gets with the animation.

>best girl hasn't appeared in a while
Shame.

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For you maybe.
Fucking furfag

But user, she's cute, you can't hate her.

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I wonder what her flesh will be like ...

Strawberries.

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I like this guy

>I don't like this man, his views on animation, his standards, or the standards of the network
>therefore they are bad

Grow up

Don't be mad that Ian is living the dream

CN's calling, Get back to work.

I swear, you "on model" fags confuse illustration with animation far too much.

Study some smears or just get into sakuga communities where half the fun is being able who animated what shot in this looney tunes cartoon.

>makes le funny

Stopped reading right there. I'll give you a (You) just so you can jerk off to it you fucking pervert.

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Saw like two episodes it's meh. Show has some pretty good lewds though. Based blushmallet. Draws all the good Steven Universe and OK KO lewds.

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>EVERY female character is sexualized

this shit doesn't even look human. how can it be sexualized?

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That arm looks like it was made in fucking paint! Just look at that finger (I think that's a finger)

Webm related is what happens when you have a complete disregard for being on model. Being off model as a joke only works in surrealist shows and even then you need someone who knows how to make it funny.

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it's just because that shot doesn't show her from the waist down

>unironically using le

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Feminists are aware that, regardless of the design's intent or quality, there is somebody getting off on it. So they can argue that anything and everything is sexualized now.

He's /ourguy/

I do. Yea Forums is just not the best place to discuss it, if you do so you'll have asshats that'll just shit on it because "hurr durr it has inconsistent character styles which is why it's shit lmaoooo" followed by a harmless insult from an user who will most likely call you a söyböy, cück or whatever is in their limited buzzword dictionary, that is if you defend the show of course. It's apparently hip to trash things the majority dislikes.

Yea Forums will sexualize a fucking stick figure if you tell them it's a girl.

And what does asshole? One of your fucking moeblob anime girls? That looks more human? It's a cartoon

To be fair, the majority of anime characters try to have realistic body proportions compared to cartoons. It's easier to find a character that looks human sexually appealing, compared to a character that doesn't resemble a human but is.

But I already wrote the plot for the next Steven episode.

>Steven.
>Plot.

It's gonna shock you, zoomer, but there was a time when cartoonists actually put some effort on their drawings

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>weeb shit
>chan.org

and it wasn't the 80's

>fake boomer posts image half filled with the work of Japanese studios
>most of the listed waifus looked like trash in motion due to the 80's being one of the lowest points for tv animation
Nice, even that one faggot obsessed with the 00's has a better position.

I hate OK KO but I genuinely don't think anybody working on it is an untalented hack. it's just the results of a poor work ethic.

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They also put more effort on the opening themes
youtube.com/watch?v=y9K0SzFIf4A

do you even acknowledge the flaws in the show? you faggot?

or do you just ignore them like everybody who responds with "it's done for comedy!"

by drawing them off-model.

there's a huge difference between tasteful exaggeration, pushing poses, and differences in artistic style and being outright lazy. Any show can have any visuals to it as long as they hold some sort of structure and make sense for the story it's trying to tell. KO is pretty flexible for how it can be but a lot of its fights feel too floaty and sometimes a lazy camera angle or an intentionally goofy drawing can really detract from whatever scene is happening and ruin the immersion within the show. there's a whole lot a cartoon can get away with as long as the movement is believable but unfortunately KO seems to have a lot more moments than it should where its believability seems to be lacking.

Also strong illustration shouldn't be disregarded when it comes to animation, it does nothing but help unless someone is so focused on detailed art that it ends up looking like a barely animated 60's cartoon.

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Western, millennial degenerates don't care about art, they just want a job they think makes them quirky and they get this job by taking influence from shit that only Western, millennial degenerates enjoy.

reminder that just because you can point out that drawings are off-model doesn't mean that you know anything about art or animation

real people go off-model, animation that's always on-model is among the crappiest animation, one step above clutch cargo

it's a cartoon you ninny

god could you imagine how unpopular it would be here if they weren't

I actually dislike this character the most, they're the most blatant waifu bait of all (furry, absolute territory, "inspired" by isabelle from animal crossing). I can forgive other stuff but not this.

>just because you can point out that drawings are off-model doesn't mean that you know anything about art or animation
blah blah blah blah as viewers we are allowed to have an opinion blah blah blah they're just hacks blah blah blah don't call us ungrateful blah blah blah

guy why are you always such a huge fucking faggot with shitty opinions?

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please don't tell me this is what you consider "good animation"

too much for you bud?

that's a shitty caterpillar.

>If you have opinions I disagee with you're an industry shill
Good argument fampai

I think Sugar excused herself to go bash her head into a wall while chanting "going off model is fine" when she saw this shit.

If he was white he would look like Harvey Weinstein

That scene's actually perfectly on model, the perspective is just fucked

artstyle =/= animation
shows like Steven Universe and OKKO have ugly artstyles and, on top of that, are also poorly animated

I'm sorry.

Whenever I see posts like these it reminds me how little """fans""" of western animation actually know or care about the production of their supposed favorite medium

80s cartoons were as detailed as they were because they cheated. You know how the boarders on adventure time were basically just writers, and all the art was done on the model sheets? Imagine that, but all the model sheets are made on day one, and the third world animators only have to follow them if they feel like it, which they pretty much never did. The western studios had basically nothing to do with the art on those shows

Modern cartoons look worse because they're actually done by Americans. Storyboards and/or model sheets need to be followed much more closely, and as such look like shit because Americans suck at art

Basically, what I'm trying to aay is that American TV animation has never been good. The 80s only looked like it was good because it was secretly anime

I don't know whty people complain so much about bad animation and off model, have you seen CN lastly? everything looks like shit, animation is cheap cause when you invest less money profits are better

She-Ra and that Spider-Man cartoon were made in America you fucking retard

Yeah, and they looked awful. Filmation also literally traced

All those cartoons looked awful.

I don't really get these kinds of threads. The best way to discuss shows you dislike is to not discuss them at all. We have loads of japanese animation shit out 4 times a year, several netflix shows with varying levels of animation quality, and Disney/Pixar guaranteed top quality animation every year or so. And here we are, making the weekly thread complaining about IanJQ. It's a good show, for what it's worth. If you get physically upset at off-model nonsense, watch something else.

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What a surprise Yea Forums defends being off model just like Yea Forums defends calarts.

they're a result of literal autism

It's a well know fact that people working on CN and Netflix come here to shill, Then they post passive-Agressive comments on twitter.

Two people at most defended the off model art, and literally no one defended calarts. Yea Forums isn't a circlejerk. There's going to be people who disagree with you

Don't like it? There's always redit

Reddit is the website that thinks Yea Forums is their personal shitposting website that anyone should be welcomed into. You can go back yourself.

I honest to god think you'd like it better there, seeing as you seem to think that only certain opinions are kosher for Yea Forums

pointless thread

Elitism is part of Yea Forums culture

Oh, cool. You came here from encyclopedia dramatica

Best thread on Yea Forums.

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Are you stupid? That’s how it’s always been on Yea Forums. Elitism is why boards like Yea Forums kept their original identity for so long.

lol

Please point out what was wrong with my argument.

Please don't use my wife Peni to shitpost.

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>argument
Anyway, Yea Forums's one of the boards that changed the most over the years. As early as 2009 its taste in anime has pretty much completely flipped

>do you even acknowledge the flaws in the show?
Let me guess the lack luster writing or the inconsistent character styles that faggots like you love to bitch about non stop?

Yea Forums has kept their culture for a very long until shonen generals were allowed on Yea Forums.

Restating something over and over again doesn't make it true. Also, thanks for proving you're new, since you don't remember gaiafas

They were never welcome on Yea Forums

KO after eating out Enid during her menstrual cycle

Wow, a black person being lazy about something?

Doesn't matter. They overtook it anyway.

Fuck off /pol/

Ian doesn't actually do any drawings because he's a producer and that's not what producers do. Yea Forums actually genuinely pisses me off with how little it knows about animation

The porn is top tier.
The show is shit.

They never did

I do

Again, saying something a bunch doesn't make it true

>unironic

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I have not seen anything even close to intelligent come out of the general production crews within and around CN since Adventure Time.
That's not even to say Adventure Time is necessarily good, smart entertainment, but it at least knew how to make you think it was deep.
I can't find any of what I liked in Adventure Time in the rest of CN's current line-up.
Adventure Time was decent shit. There's a lot wrong with it but it at least made me use more braincells than usual when I was the retarded 11 year old I once was. I am thoroughly convinced that I would not get that experience had I been born any later.

I miss the experimental CN; the one that put out shows like courage and chowder and regular show. What the fuck happened?

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>it's a cartoon, it doesn't have to look good!
>one step above clutch cargo
wow, this shit stinks less than that shit, what an achievement

better than anything OK KO has ever done at least

>The porn is top tier.
>I like the porn.
Mostly seen subpar stuff. Link proof.

imagine thinking that any CN cartoon was deep, least of all AT

Listen, I'm not saying you have to think Ian is good, but I can guarantee you that literally every cartoon out there (save Bojack Horseman and Rick and Morty) only exists because the writers like what they do and do what they like

It's bullshit to project this much onto any person or a fucking cartoon, but please PLEASE don't call a cartoon intelligent when it's written by the same people who wrote "puncha your buns" and gave a stupid 11 year old who has never done math in his life the catchphrase "algebraic" only to abandon it 3 seasons later

This goes out to everyone in the thread
You don't have to lay off of what you think about modern cartoons, but know that it's just a fucking opinion and everyone here is doing nothing but whining about their opinions

This. People on Yea Forums get it in their heads that their opinions are not only the "right opinions", but also that everyone with an opposing one is the devil

then leave faggot :^)

>he thinks one can leave Yea Forums
newfag

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I can't. My boyfriend fucks me in the ass too hard and I keep missing the close tab button.

>People on Yea Forums
That's most of the internet in general, naive child.

being 'on-model' doesn't mean a cartoon looks better in any way.

it just means you see the same drawings in each episode. that's lousy work which becomes dull after one episode, so all on-model shows end up as just illustrated radio. nobody cares about the drawings in fairly oddparents for example, they just tell you where the characters are in a scene.

if animation had decent standards every cartoon would feature custom animation besides some cheap ones I suppose.

>wojakposter calling anyone a newfag
:^)

The whole "80s were better" argument is basically just people praising the animation equivalent of medieval tapestries to the animation equivalent of cave paintings. Sure, the medieval shit is way better than the cave paintings, but it's still awful art

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>being 'on-model' doesn't mean a cartoon looks better in any way.
and? ok ko looks like shit regardless which is what I was saying

Can we just purge you retards from this board? All you fucks do is shit talk shows using uneducated arguments we've seen a million fucking times.
>look at how off model this one random frame that most people would just laugh at is guys

I'd be happy if Yea Forums was wiped off the face of the internet

And producers are in charge of quality control you stupid retard. Regardless of whether Ian draws anything or not he still carries the majority of the blame as he is the show runner and in charge of making sure the product looks good.

It sounds like youre the retard that doesn't understand how animation works.

jesus christ these dumb fucks that think "on model" means you cant exaggerate, squash and stretch, and emote

artists and animators bullshit and use artistic license to make shit look good. its how we get animation techniques like smears and the like because it makes movement look good while we fudge the details.
basically:
>good animators can break the "model" and exaggerate things when NEEDED to sell motion, expressions, impact, and composition
youtube.com/watch?v=Zjg1aqF9TTA

>bad animators dont give a shit about the model and draw their characters as loosely as possible between scenes in a show of ~style~ when its really just laziness and bad worksmanship
youtube.com/watch?v=ZMprKMtyr98

jesus christ i never sat through watching any of OK KO because the art turns me off so much. why the fuck does Yea Forums complain about anime framerates and animation when theres shit like this. how is this shit considered okay to air

Nobody on Yea Forums complains about anime unless prompted to, and most of the time it's to piss off Yea Forums people more than anything else

I blame john k.

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i hate weeb shit but it's Mob fucking Psycho. like how much of a contrarian you have to be?

Just absolutely wrong. Remaining on model is about creating a feel of visual consistency that you then destroy with cartooning to evoke a stronger reaction from the viewer. Stephen Hillenberg had a very specific model for Spongebob, which was obviously a show that used all kinds of visual gags that change the characters' appearances.

He paid his dues and he's come a long way from RPGWorld. Your hangups with the show are nothing compared to that.

Hey, too be fair this guy had Milton Knight as an influence who was one of the hardest working guys in modern cartooning who also happens to be black.

me

I do!

Milton knight officially ragequit comics and cartoons recently, which is a damn shame

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Its a pity that someone with talent wastes it on drawing the two most bland and ugly cartoons this age.

Yes, faggot.

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You see, it's bad animation because it's from Japan.

Two of my younger sisters definitely do.

No, That's why it got cancelled even when the crew denies it.

ooooh bad amaration sorry preas!

I like how the popular opinion on Yea Forums is that everyone but you hates anime, even though this board sucks Japanese cock more than any other board

Yeah, the drawings. Not the animation

It's one of my favorite cartoons in years, yeah.

It's not cancelled if the crew says it's not cancelled. Literally fucking why would they lie about that?

>but it at least knew how to make you think it was deep
The pseudo-philosophical bullshit spewed throughout the show was easily the worst part about it

And the drawings still looke like shit anyway. is right; 80s cartoons only look good because standards have fallen so far that they make filmation look like classic disney

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>Adventure Time was decent shit. There's a lot wrong with it but
Like anything past season 3? Like the forced "serialized and deep" storytelling? Like the dyke propaganda? or like the shitty ending?

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yuri is only good when the nips do it

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I thought he was /ourguy/ after the crossover and halloween episodes.

Because it's basically porn?

its just sad that usually what prompts it is comparing east and west standards

the west's quality has seriously dropped since digital animation became widely accepted. you have to be deluding yourself to think otherwise. most things are flat with no real sense of depth, there's an over-reliance on motion tweening and scaling, action sequences are poorly choreographed, and shot composition is often an afterthought
there are the rare outliers, but they're sadly becoming more rare by the year

the east certainly has problems with its animation scene as well. worker treatment aside, moe-fication causing everything to look the same and a sometimes excessive use of character stills (scenery stills are fine so long as theyre properly establishing tone or setting the scene), but to say that they're being lazy with their animation when ours is so far in the gutter is just absurd. theres still a love for animation that is blatantly apparent in the big "sakuga" scenes that is all but fucking dead in most western animation

People only like lesbians when they're porn.

But Symphogear isn't porn.

OP doesn't actually watch the show. Or any cartoon, apparently.

My point was that very few people on Yea Forums actually dislike anime

Confirmed that user is jealous because he's not in the secret club for cultist.

kek

Remember when SU fans who defended off-scale, off-model drawings went nuts over this single tiny segment? This is why skills and standards matter.

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I would if they made what was on the boiler plate and not "lul self-awarness"/meme reference garbage.

They all look the same

Yea Forums in general will sexualize a stick figure if you tell them it's a girl.