Are they running out of ideas or something?

Could be either an animator request match (don't be surprised when Beyblade gets a Death Battle or DBX) or just something to stay relevant on YouTube's algorithm

Isn't that how most of them go? Plus they're both brain washed assassins who under went a serum treatment to get them be even better at their jobs.

Yes. Ya gotta toss a few fun nonsense ones or a few play on words one. It's a webshow for entertainment.

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IIRC isn't Widowmaker essentially undead so that breathing and pulse don't get in the way of aiming?

>Widow fires at Natasha 800 times and grazes her once
ftfy

>Widow does grappling launch trickshot against Natasha
>Symettra gets the credit because her turrets did damage to Natasha at the same time

Does Natasha have any counters to Widowmaker's recon visor and toxic mines?

Come on nigger. This isn’t a fight with a strained theme. They’re both big titty assasins on superhero teams with dark pasts.

I don’t know much about overmeme. But Widowmaker can see through walls and track heat signatures and has turret helpers. Natasha got her ass handed to her by Shanna the She-Devil. I don’t see Natasha winning.

Glad EXE won, even if they did go full retard with his internet search feat. Since when was cyberspace any larger than Earth? Because the asteroid stage had galaxy pictures in the background? The hosts huff paint.

They had ideas in the first place?

Would have preferred this to be Widowmaker’s opponent, but that’s just me.

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They both have big asses, not big titties. Very consistent detail for them.

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I hate it when they pick the right winner for the wrong reason, like with Raiden vs Wolverine. It shows that they're almost but not quite competent.

Their best episode was the Robotnik vs Wiley one where it was just an all out army clash.

Do that same shit again only with Lord Zed from Power Rangers and Shredder from TMNT. Foot vs Putties, Goldar fighting Bebop and Rocksteady, Serpenterra vs The Technodrome!
Shit would be so cash.

That's actually a really, really good idea. Damn I want to see that. They still owe us Rogue Squadron vs Star Fox.

What other team/army fights would be cool?

The problem with team fights is that you reach a point where there are too many X factors. Like say you wanted to do JSA vs JLA. First you would have to pick who is on which team and then you have two teams with reality shaking godlings to the point where anything could happen.

>Toph vs Roy Mustang, Earth vs Fire. Probably would end when they both fall into a dark cavern that's got about an inch worth of water on the ground. Roy can't see in the dark to hit Toph, but he can hear her splashing. No idea who would win though.

>Homer Simpson vs Peter Griffin vs Hank Hill, Father Fisticuffs! Homer wins because of all the bullshit he can do in the arcade game. Hank probably loses real early.

>Ganon vs Bowser, Hyrulers vs Mushroom Kings! Same as the Wiley vs Robotnik ideas, they keep sending all their fucking minions and weapons at each other, and it ends with Giga Bowser fighting Boar Form Ganon.

Bit obscure for most people.

Sinister Six vs Rogues

They've done obscure characters before but its usually balanced by having them fight a more well known character.

Flash>Quicksilver
Batman>Cap
Wonder Woman>Thor
Aquaman>Namor

Superman, Hal, and J'onn are the only members of the O7 JLA to not have put an Avenger in the ground. Who will be sacrificed to them?

Rogues stomp, but it would be entertaining. Speaking of which, Green Goblin vs Black Manta needs to happen.

I don't want that. She'll lose against Black Cat but Black Widow she could handle easily.

Sentry, Nova, Carol.

I'd rather see her fight Reaper REAPER that's what people call me

They hinted at a Kaiju match a while back
Thoughts of what it could be?

They always put characters with similar abilities against each other, why not characters with super drastically different strength and speed levels. Like a super speedster verses an tanky dude?

Kong vs. somebody, since Godzilla already got one. Either that or the Cloverfield monster vs. something.

Because themes are memes.

>Marvel vs DC fights that need to happen

1. Green Goblin vs Black Manta
2. Ghost Rider vs Lobo
3. Silver Surfer vs Green Lantern
4. Hank Pym vs Ray Palmer
5. Vision vs Red Tornado

>Weeb vs Cape fights that need to happen
1. Cardcaptor Sakura vs Dr. Strange
2. Luffy vs Plastic Man
3. Kamen Rider (Ichigo) vs Spider-Man
4. Dante vs Etrigan
5. Alucard vs Ghost Rider

>Fights that will never happen but should
1. Shin Getter vs Mazinkaiser
2. Tekkaman Blade vs Rom
3. The Knight vs Prince Acroyear
4. Jason vs Casey Jones
5. Hulk vs Godzilla

Only if they have some sort of thematic link, otherwise you'd get a slew of absolute retard fights.

Flash>Quicksilver
Batman

I think Mysterio could do pretty well, he's generally pretty top tier when it comes to the Sinister Six.

>Ichigo
Ichigou, Ichigo means strawberry.
Unless you want Spidey to fight this guy.

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Ichigo Mashimaro vs Ichigo Kamen Rider!

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Holly fuck, her jaw is HUGE.

You're right about Batman vs Cap.

You're wrong about Thor vs Wonder Woman.

Why is that nigga a strawberry?

You are only partially right about Thor vs. Wonder Woman. Current era Aaron Thor would lose to Wonder Woman because she is a woman, and his Thor is significantly nerfed and pathetic. Any other non-Aaron Thor would destroy Wonder Woman.

Black Widow vs The Bride would have been a better discussion.

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The God of Thunder.

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Discount Wonder Woman kicked Thor's ass.

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Isn't this show for children

Wonder Woman is one of the fastest DC speedsters while Thor gets bamboozled by a short man with claws.

Know your role. Stay in your lane. Recognize your limits.

The dials.
Go up.
To 11.

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>Charizard vs Greymon
I hope no child saw that.

Whoever is more popular wins

His show is fruit themed, he's usually an orange.

>Wonder Woman
>Cheetah
>Faster than Shazam
The fuck kind of sense does this make?

Taken out by an inferior weather manipulator.

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Strangled by a normal human with her own lasso.

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Non canon

Kicked by Batman.

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We can blame Steve Engelhardt for this. He waifu'd Mantis so hard he dragged her with him to three or four companies.

Severely beaten by an inferior Superman.

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Not Earth Prime Wonder Woman.

Meanwhile the Thor bitched by Angela and Mantis was 616 Thor.

Defeated by a group of woman that are weaker than your average Asgardian.

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>Implying Bizarro wouldn't feed Thor his own hammer.

You are proven his point with that image from an Aaron book.

Wolverine wanking. What else is new?

>It-It doesn't count because I hate the writer!
Does it hurt knowing that Jane Thor was the superior Thor capable of reaching a deeper understanding with HER hammer than Odinson ever could?

Yaaaaas

No way is Wonder Woman faster than Bally West and that other speedster. Nor is she faster than Shazam. Nor should Shazam be that slow. So many incorrect info.

How does it feel to have Aaron's dick in your mouth? You seem to be enjoying it rather well.

They both use the speed of a god, but Billy isn't as used to his powers as Diana and Diana has a grace and skill blessing that probably stacks on her speed.

Who would be a good opponent for Shulkie?

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The All-New All-Different She-Hulk.

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Marvel never retcon that so still canon to Marvel.

Her current writers.

MechaGodzilla Battle Royale?
People proposed it to Ben when he asked about how they should handle it seeing how its different incarnations differentiate a lot

Doesn't matter how well your running technique is when the other person is legitimately faster than you.

So,

Mechagodzilla vs Super-Godzilla vs Kiryu

Who wins?

>Are the people whose career is built around shitty fanfics running out of ideas.

They aren't anywhere close to running out of ideas. They haven't even tapped into the autism that is Star Trek vs Star Wars battles.

They should be battling over my penis desu

Star Trek would probably win due to Phasers being OP and instantly disintegrating their targets when set to "kill".

My money's on Showa. Super-Godzilla got rocked by an electric backsurge from its Godzilla and its G-Crusher isn't going to work on the other two. Meanwhile Kiryu has his bouts of not listening to its pilot and going berserk and running out of power.

Showa has the best aresenal, durability, and to top it off he didn't get his ass kicked by his Godzilla as easily as the others.

They are blessed by the EXACT same God. Wondy just had a much better control of her abilities and has WAY better feats over the years. And Cheetahs entire thing is super speed. Shazam isn't that fast. Not is he consistently that fast. Flash on the other hand has issues with Cheetah often enough to give her some clout. And Flash often hypes up Diana's speed.

Jesus I love current She Hulk. Especially when drawn by McGinnis, Yu, and David Marquez!

that's some real untapped potential you've got there maybe you should start your own autism war

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Spy > Sniper everytime

>Razorback blocks your path

You mean like DIO Vs Wally West?

Or Zatanna Vs Korra?

Gosh, chief. Why are you posting on a forum for children?

>Real life person vs Action figure of a video game character
How is this even a fight?

I don't think Windowbreaker has a counter for being backstabbed.

You tell us, you're the one shilling their boring-ass shit.

I can already tell its gonna be a boring ass episode

Both are stomps for the DC.

Besides, the superior DC matchup for DIO is Gentleman Ghost.

Doesn’t she have robot drones and heat vision? I think Natasha is screwed.

>Luffy vs Plastic Man
This is Quicksilver vs Flash again. They have similar themes, but one is just eons ahead of the other. Plastic Man intimidates the entire JL at once.

Luffy's one hope is haki being interpreted as being able to hurt Plas. But even if it can, it's doubtful it can kill him. Obsidian Age showed that every particle of Plasticman is alive and capable of regenerating. So long as a drop of him remains, he's capable of coming back and murdering Luffy by suffocating him.

Plas not fucking around was able to stalemate a giant berserk Martian Manhunter.

That puts him considerably over Luffy's feats.

I wish I was playing the same Overwatch as you, because whenever I'm up against a Widowmaker one shoot is all she needs.

>Current era Aaron Thor would lose to Wonder Woman because she is a woman, and his Thor is significantly nerfed and pathetic
How edgy of you user

I think Ghidorah vs Deathwing is a possibility

>that Lucario vs Renamon fight
>They knew they had to give Renamon a handicap and allow Lucario his mega transform to have any fucking chance just so they can alm down the pokemon fans

Digimon is busted

You know how they misinterpreted the Megaman Battle Network cyberspace to be the size of the observable universe?

The Digiverse is actually that big in Digimon.

I'm not kidding.

The Digital World isn't so much cyberspace as it is a larger multiverse that's accessed through cyberspace. You can see this in the movie where the internet is treated as something different from the Digital World.

Digimon is DC levels of busted.

But Lucario didn't go mega

I can see WW and Thor going either way but literally how do you think Cap can beat Batman? Bats routinely beats strongmen that are stronger than Cap (Bane beat him that one time but he wins most others, same with Croc) and that means the only thing Cap has going for him is his shield, which Bats would obviously know to be a major threat and would be able to avoid pretty easily given that he goes up with people who use actual fucking guns on the regular.
It would be a good fight, and one I would love to see, but Bats would win imo. HIs gadgetry also gives him all sorts of shit to outperform Cap's superior bricking.

This. A Batman using his gadgets to kill is a MUCH different beast than the usual. As they are, I give Cap 7/10 taking Bruce in a fight. But if Bruce gets to use all his ninja gadgets set to kill Cap is pretty fucked as Batman has wayyyyy too many options.

Completely onesided, Margaret would blow both Widows away effortlessly. NMH power levels are absolute horseshit.

Hellbat armor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [power gap] > Cap
Thor is barely even stronger than Hawkman

This. Batman would beat Spiderman and Black Panther too.

Fuck you because now I know whatever they make it won't be as interesting or fun to watch.

Cheetah is that fast? I really need to read more Wonder Woman with her. I loved her Reverse Flash team up.

Guys, hear me out. Goku vs. Superman rubber match. Who says no?

There have been multiple versions of Thor, some were mortal some were the god himself.

Only if they both have ninjutsu powers from Naruto.

She can hold her breath gud. Checkm8!

>Using a razorback
scrub

1. Green Goblin < Black Manta
2. Ghost Rider > Lobo
3. Silver Surfer > Green Lantern
4. Hank Pym = Ray Palmer (not really sure honestly)
5. Vision > Red Tornado

1. Cardcaptor Sakura < Dr. Strange
2. Luffy < Plastic Man
3. Kamen Rider (Ichigo) = Spider-Man (dunno anything about Kamen Rider)
4. Dante > Etrigan
5. Alucard < Ghost Rider

>Cardcaptor Sakura vs Dr. Strange

They're gonna have to wait for Clear Card to wrap up first.

>1. Green Goblin vs Black Manta
Too hard to call.
>2. Ghost Rider vs Lobo
Lobo, no contest.
>3. Silver Surfer vs Green Lantern
Even at his best, Hal can't beat normal Surfer, let alone Surfer at his best.
>4. Hank Pym vs Ray Palmer
Pym has taken shrinking far beyond the Atom ever will.
>5. Vision vs Red Tornado
Vision thanks to mass manipulation making him too heavy to blow around.

What were some of the better ideas they haven't done yet, if I may ask?

Batman beat people stronger than him physically? Good news, so does Captain America. There is a reason why they say he’s got the fuckin’ Jobber Force on his side.

Batman can beat Cap with prep, but nothing in Batman’s arsenal can help him deal with Cap for long, especially considering how much faster Cap is than Batman.

Thor is legit stronger than Superman.

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Spider-Man would kick Batman’s ass, and so would Black Panther. Black Panther has all of Bruce’s resources and more, due to being King of an entire fucking country.

>Green Goblin < Black Manta
Aquaman is legit stronger than Spider-Man, so this was easy
>Ghost Rider > Lobo
lmao Penance Stare
>Silver Surfer > Green Lantern
He already won in the Crossover Comics
>Vision > Red Tornado
Red Tornado is the Genos of Superheroes
>Alucard vs Ghost Rider
lmao Penance Stare. Works especially well with Alucard

tits aren't bad either

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>They still haven't done Green Lantern

>Green Goblin < Black Manta
Could go either way, but Manta takes it with a slight edge.
>Ghost Rider > Lobo
Same as above, but the Penance stare should handle Lobo.
>Silver Surfer > Green Lantern
SS easy.
>Hank Pym > Ray Palmer
Hank but it's a tough fight.
>Vision > Red Tornado
Vision easy.

I wanna see Thor vs Spawn and Martian Manhunter vs Piccolo.

Archaon the Everchosen vs The Lich King

There are countless ideas such as pic related

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Not to mention warp drive, transporters, and shields that work all the time instead of just when the plot says they should.

Just use the revolver, bro.

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>All these niggas underestimating Red Tornado

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He beat Vision in JLA/Avengers because Tornado Champion is one hell of a trump card.

Current incarnation of Diana only acquired flight from Hermes. Billy acquires his speed for Mercury.

>Plas not fucking around was able to stalemate a giant berserk Martian Manhunter.
Plastic Man was slowly using to Burning Martian J'onn. Only thing he had going for him was his durability and telepathic resistance.

>Slowly losing
He couldn't hurt him and he couldn't hurt plas.

>Green Goblin vs Black Manta
Green Goblin. Green Goblin got no exploitable weakness Manta can use against him. Also have a healing-factor comparable to Wolverine's healing-factor.
>Ghost Rider vs Lobo
Lobo.
>Silver Surfer vs Green Lantern
Silver Surfer easily.
>Hank Pym vs Ray Palmer
Hank Pym with some difficulty.
>Vision vs Red Tornado
Vision should win due to his density powers. But being a massive fuck up that Vision is, Red Tornado might win. But then again, Red Tornado tend to be destroyed and dismantle a lot.

>Red Tornado vs Vision
This is easy you idiots.

How does Vision fly? He has his intangible form float on air currents.

How powerful can Red Tornado make his winds? Powerful enough to defeat Amazo.

Can Vision do anything to Red Tornado? Hack him maybe? No because Red Tornado has his own hacking feats and his true form is a wind elemental powerful enough to body the Justice League including Superman.

Everyone that says Vision would win has no fucking idea what Red Tornado can do.

Let me tell you why Palmer shits all over Hank. It really comes down to one simple thing.

Pym particles cause people to exposed to them to grow or shrink.

White dwarf radiation causes anyone not the Atom to develop an unstable molecular structure and explode.

They can both grow and shrink and grow and shrink the other, but Palmer's method is the only one that's directly deadly to another person so he wins.

>Can Vision do anything to Red Tornado?
Vision has solar powered beams that can be compared to Superman's heat vision.

Also, what's the limit of Vision's control over his mass? I think he can make himself heavy enough to withstand RT's attacks.

Pym particles are a doorway to the realm of abstract entities.

You can't beat this.

>lmao Penance Stare. Works especially well with Alucard
Not so fast, Alucard has a LOT of innocent souls trapped in him. To punish Alucard with the stare could also make the innocent souls suffer, so it might not work.

>Penance Stare

Can't work if the victim has no regret or remorse for what he's done. See: Punisher

>Pym particles are doorways to abstracts
What isn't in Marvel these days?

They still don't kill you if you touch them. White Dwarf star radiation does.

I fucking hate that retcon. Jason Aaron has so many crimes against so many characters.

Oh well. What everyone ALWAYS forgets is that Johnny's hellfire soulbreaks like the Penance Stare and works against the guilty and innocent.

Ambassador decreases in damage the farther away Spy is from his opponent, plus there's no way it's an effective killer unless you consistently go for the head.

Vision's solar beams might hurt him. Might. But its' doubtful he can make himself immune to RT's winds since they're powerful enough to shut down Amazo.

And of course, Tornado Champion/Tyrant is wayyyyyy beyond Vison's level.

>using memebassador

Didn't work on Venom way before Aaron ever became a thing.

Really? Got a source on that?

Natalia:
>trained ballet dancer
>decades worth of blackops experience
>super-soldier serum
>gauntlets do everything Widow's already can and more to the point where Marvel and Disney should be considering legal action

Amelie:
>trained ballet dancer
>only good at sharpshooting
>was nobody until Talon brainwashed her and made her kill her husband
>only known feat was humiliating the poster girl of the game she features in until Tracer paid her back at the museum heist
>has the least effective Ultimate ability that's gonna be nerfed in a few weeks

Only unifying motif:
>black widow spider

This is just going to be the inverted result of Sam vs Snake. By the time she's already ID tagged Black Widow in a crowd, she's already going to be putting her foot through her visor.

>Natalia
>Only unifying motif is that they're spider themed
Holy fuck you are a casual

>spider themed

Read it again, beardo.

>Only unifying motif: Black Widow Spider
You are retarded

Read some older comics why don't you.

no (You)

>>super-soldier serum
Only thing it does for her is decrease her aging and prevent her from being a mother.

And have decades of blackops experience despite being a fossil.

Shouldn't it also make her an enhancile? Either way, I don't think the ballerina's enhancements did more than make her blue and cold.

Amelie gets shredded at close range. If Natasha closes the gap she's fucked, and her toxic mines aren't going to trip Natasha up.

Amelie's one hope is to tag her with the heat vision and snipe her, but Natasha should be smart enough to know to keep out of potential sight lines when up against a sniper period. Plus Natasha isn't a bad sniper herself.

What's Amelie's range? Because Natasha might actually be the better sniper.

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She could've just grabbed her hand but apparently Natasha bats for both teams.

>2.8 miles
Jesus...

>4. Dante vs Etrigan
Dante should be able to stomp him. It's kind of a shame, I'd love for Dante to go against someone in a cape universe that could actually challenge him. Everyone that's thematically appropriate is a clear tier or 3 below him.

If Vision turns max intangible, what can Red Tornado realistically do to him?
Every way you look at it, the density control trumps all of Red Tornado's options here.
What's to stop Vision from phasing through Tornado and ripping him apart? Surely he can't be THAT durable.
Give me a scan of Tornado's highest durability showing.

>Everyone that's thematically appropriate is a clear tier or 3 below him.
Ghost Rider could possibly take him. If not, then Spawn surely can.

You do realize the robot part is just a shell, right? The elemental spirit inside him is League level in terms of power (and can alter reality).

Plus it can possess people and enter their souls.

Plus, dude is made of nanites now.

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Red Tornado would stomp Vision's ass.

And you know what the big win here is?

Red Tornado is happily married.

Suck it down synthoid man.

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And yet he still doesn't have a penis.

>You do realize the robot part is just a shell, right? The elemental spirit inside him is League level in terms of power (and can alter reality).
Doesn't the elemental spirit need the shell though? Can it operate at full capacity without it?

>The Virgin Synthoid
>Created by Autismo the robot
>Came second
>Based on literally who golden age character
>Kids were magic constructs
>Wife leaves him
>Got cucked by the Marvel version of Johnny Cage
>Such an incel he had to create his new wife and kids
>Dies when killed
>Only remembered as Tom King's therapy tool

>The Chad Robot
>Created by based TO Morrow
>Came first
>Based on the best member of the JSA
>Kid is flesh and blood
>Still married to his first wife
>Never cucked
>Such a chad he keeps a woman even when he doesn't have a penis
>Unleashes a living magic tornado when killed and goes I AM MORE THAN JUST A ROBOT DIE WILY
>Only remembered by true fans

No. The shell acts more like a limiter than anything else and characters usually have to work to stuff the tornado spirit back in the body. He once went full Captain Planet due to "muh air pollution" in the 90's without a body.

This isn't about who's a better character you autist. It's about a one on one confrontation.

Can't handle a little banter?

Nope.

Pre-Crisis the Tornado Champion inside Red Tornado was a cosmic level being capable of literally creating his own version of the Justice League and remaking worlds.

It's not as powerful post-crisis, but its still air Swamp Thing which should tell you what a big deal it is.

>keeps a woman even when he doesn't have a penis
That actually is pretty impressive.

If all of what you're saying is true, then I'm willing to give Tornado the victory. But something still seems a little off here.
Why, if you're so powerful, would you need a body, robotic or not, in the first place?
Where's the consciousness located? Is it in the elemental spirit or the robotic shell?
This seems like a classic case of writers not knowing what to do with a powerful character. Until you delve into Tornado's history, he doesn't seem much more than a token robot jobber.

>Spawn
Completely forgot about him. Spawn would actually give him a fight and maybe even win depending on the version of him.

Also, Hellboy maybe?

I was also going to suggest the Darkness, but I'm not sure if he's strong enough to tackle Dante.

>Why would you need a body in the first place?
Pre-crisis the Tornado Champion hacked its way into Red Tornado which originally had brain patterns based on Ma Hunkle but evil to destroy the JSA from within.

Post-crisis the elemental needed to bond with a human host because magic rules and shit and was going to bond to Morrow's son but it died so it picked the robot. Though in theory the origin means the elemental "needs" the body, in practice its more than capable of operating without it like Nabu and Dr. Fate.

What's considered off-limits, if anything?
I'd love to see some match-up between the Powerpuff Girls and Stitch.

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Probably not, but would still make a cool fight.

Nothing. They did a Digimon vs Pokemon fight with a brutal ending, they wouldn't have any qualms about Bubbles handing Lilo Stitch's head.

Characters who don't have a cap on their power scale are less likely to be considered. It's the main reason why they still haven't paired any character against Luffy from One Piece. Though, I'm sure they can work around this rule if they give somebody to fight pre-timeskip Luffy.

Sure, but I'm talking about IP-based limits.

Probably one of the Powerpuff Girls would put up a solid fight against Stitch.

>Only unifying motif: black widow spider

That's my one gripe with Death Battle. They should instead focus more on abilities than motifs, otherwise it's a boring match up. Ideally, you'd have both, but there's only that many characters similar to one another.

They're both brainfucked assassins with accents and tits

I don't get the people saying this is a forced match like Bane vs Venom.

Both are assassins with wrist-mounted cable weapons with sex appeal that were mindraped into being assassins. Both are also expert snipers. This is as valid a matchup as Aquaman vs Namor.

It all comes down to experience, with Black Widow having years of black ops missions under her belt versus Widowmaker's claim to notoriety by assassinating a top Overwatch operative and a prominent robot civil rights leader.

I don't know if they would balance it out for it not to be a stomp in Black Widow's favor.