Dozens of comic book characters die and return before 1994

>dozens of comic book characters die and return before 1994
>Superman dies and returns in 1994
>"REEEEEEEEEEEEE SUPERMAN DESTROYED DEATH IN COMIC BOOKS!"
Can someone explain this to me? How is "Death of Superman" to blame for things that were already happening 20 years before it was published?

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>"REEEEEEEEEEEEE SUPERMAN DESTROYED DEATH IN COMIC BOOKS!"

Who are you quoting?

It was Jean Grey

He's probably referring to the fact that media at the time acted like this was a huge deal that would change comics/superheroes forever.

To answer OP, it's because DC wanted it that way. They intentionally marketed DoS as a HUGE GAME CHANGING EVENT and teh ultimate end of Superman. They implicitly told people that this would be the last Superman story, and the end to 60 years of history. People fell for it because the 90s were the first time that comics (as opposed to just the characters) were really in the mainstream news consciousness due to the explosion of the bubble.

I gotcha covered OP:
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Because it helped crash the bubble set by collectors that the industry had been enjoying thus far. Essentially, the normies believed that Superman was actually going to die as a character for real. Everyone around the globe mourned his death as if he was an actual person. They thought that would be it for Superman. Collectors bought the issues thinking they'd become instantly valuable over night, because those issues were about the death of freaking Superman.

Then DC comics brought him back not that long after and the collectors, that were all a bunch of normies, finally wised up to the fact that the whole thing was a cham. That they were sitting up a bunch of issues that were worth shit. That they were being duped by the comics industry with these stunts. That's when the industry lost what little respect it still had left with normies and the crash happened.

>He's probably referring to the fact that media at the time acted like this was a huge deal that would change comics/superheroes forever.
No, I'm referring to fans. Everytime a character returns from the dead, there are a couple of comments saying that "Death of Superman destroyed death in comic books".

You had to be there. The thing of it is DC launched an unparalleled media blitz, it had massive pop culture coverage. So (while it was generally a good story) it felt a bit like King's aborted Bat Cat wedding. All the hype then, tricked ya. Not completely comparable as it lasted two years but still, the media push fake out.

But how is "Death of Superman" to blame for characters returning from the dead in comic books? If "DoS" hadn't happened, comic book characters would not return from the dead, even though they were already doing it decades before "DoS" was published?

He came back after how long was bruce wayne 'dead' under morrison?

I actually liked the fact that DC has 'killed' its two biggest characters and actually had them out of commision for a bit.

I think DoS was when people realised comic book characters were here to stay.


Its why John Wagner (despite his claims he has an plot already for it) wont kill Dredd and keep using 'future tech' to keep him going, if he killed Dredd 200ad would lose half it base.
I doubt hell ever properly kill hershey or Anderson either.
Well I think Alan Grant being alive is the main reason for Anderson, I doubt hes let it happen.

It's not, your premise is flawed
>Everytime a character returns from the dead, there are a couple of comments saying that "Death of Superman destroyed death in comic books".
That's not a thing that happens. It's just since Supes is the biggest hero, that sort of represented a logical culmination of that kind of event story. Once he "dies," the same story can now only be smaller or or less special in anyone else. To be meaningful the story has to have more going for it now than *just* the death as the hook.

Bump wtf

All those fans who say that were born after 1994. It's usually just parroting some "lol, I'm such a 90s kid" youtuber.

>specularists try to swindle their way into big money
>get counterconned by based comics company
>lose all respect for comics
Yep that's America for ya. How dare you to make easy money by denying me to make a shit ton of easy money? Grr. Comics are for KIDS!

These are the only two correct posts in this thread.

Death of Superman was a great event story-wise and everyone loved it. It just had terrible implications for the industry on the whole.

I'm pretty sure I first started hearing the same thing when this faggot's video began to go viral. If I remember, landis makes the same claim at some point during his spewing. But I'll be damned if I'm going to watch this shit again to find out.

>youtube.com/watch?v=0PlwDbSYicM

There's a reason Max "How Do I" Landis has been ostracized by the industry and dumped by Morrison and Gunn. He's a dipshit.

>dozens of comic book characters die and return before 1994
Alright, name them then. Remember, you said "dozens", which implies at least 20 characters.

haha remember that max landis superman joker story

Yes, I suppose if you ignore everything surrounding the event and just hyper-focus on the story itself, you don't come off like a stupid asshole for making the dumbest OP I've seen all week.

It did, because it was one of the few I'm aware of that was done as such a marketing gimmick to the point it was planned to be undone before it even happened, and was so hugely publicized that even normalfags caught onto it.

Before that when characters got killed off it was usually intended to be permanent and bringing characters back was done when writers were out of ideas (so, all the time).

This was the one that turned a comics in-joke into a cultural meme. Most people weren't aware at that point that comics had turned into soap opera, and this, along with X-Men time travel shit, firmly cemented it as what comics were like and who they were for. Your average person still believed that comics were just wacky superheroes that kids bought at the grocery store, and that some adult nerds were obsessed with.
With the highly publicized death of Superman and all the news stories about new X-Men characters selling millions of issues, comics gained the stigma of having decades of complicated continuity and melodramatic stories that you had to be an ultra nerd to keep up with, and that super nerds paid thousands of dollars for key issues, so better buy those first appearances now to put your kid through college by selling Cable #1 to some autist ten years from now!

This is the only time I ever saw a comicbook passed around an entire summer camp. Death of Superman was a big deal. If you were a kid who didn't read comics in the early 90's, you probably still read Death of Superman. I also believe that this is why you have a generation of normies who think Superman is "cop-out and ass-pull stories."

these are right

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why do people keep saying 1994?

I would unironically watch a drunk history but for comics but with anyone other than max Landis who is the least interesting person ever and manages to make everything he touch bland and uninteresting.

Max Landis

>Death of Superman was a great event story-wise and everyone loved it
Imagine unironically thinking Death of Superman, which largely consisted of nothing but two people punching each other, had a good story.

Actually dozens is at least 24, since a dozen is 12 and plural means that at least two od them, therefore 12*2, so 24.

Because thats when he came back?

Jean Grey ruined death in comic books, you literally cannot refute this

Ignoring OPs question, what is recommended reading leading up to Death of Superman? The Bryne run? JLA by Morrison?

People say that because death of superman was what caused the comicbook industry to crash and it crashed so hard.

JLA came years after DAROS.
Nothing that I can think of, so long as you're beginning at the start of the event, the coming of Doomsday.
Maybe JLI to give you an introduction to the team that gets wrecked before Superman can get there?

>be a kid in Croatia
>90s
>wartime
>grandma's cousin from the States sends me the TPB cause I guess she thought even a kid in Croatia needs to know that Superman is dead
>previous encounters with the character basically Reeve movies and Fleischer cartoons
>read that shit every day
>pretty much learn English cause of fucking Dan Jurgens & Co.
>tell everybody that's willing to listen that Superman is dead
>killed by some giant gray fucker with bones for a beard
>nothing will ever be the same guys
>get internet around Christmas of '99
>find out nobody likes Phantom Menace but me
>go to dccomics.com just to see what's up
>turns out Superman was dead for like 6 fucking months
>came back with a fucking mullet
>mfw my whole childhood was a lie

Still have the trade. Not the best story out there, not the worst, but goddamn if I din't recognize every panel when I see it online.

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>Not the best story out there, not the worst,
That's Jurgens for you, solid and inoffensive.
Hand him a dying book and he'll keep it above water.

True. Still, 90's Carlin Triangle era of Superman was hardly the place to be creative. You had your set of supporting characters and their middling subplots and had to bid time till Cain and Hatcher finally had their wedding on the show. They were forced into writing filler (which even DoS was), and later when they were creatively over the hill resorted to Electric Superman and shit.

I actually really liked his Thor run. Underrated, imo. That shot when Thor can't lift the hammer anymore was pretty kino.

>Death of Superman was a great event story-wise and everyone loved it.

Back then, I couldn't take it seriously after goofily edgy stuff like Doomsday crushing a bird and snapping a deer's neck.

he died...

you mean Doomsday punched Supes so hard, he fucking took a nap.

i couldn't imagine Dredd without fucking DREDD

though, it works fine, because you COULD focus on other characters, but Dredd is that anchor that holds it all together

Kid, you clearly weren't there and don't understand the historical context.

After Superman "died" it meant that ANYONE could "die" and come back at ANY time. It was literally a meaningless concept after that.

Its because it was the first time that a major hero's death was treated as an event. DC also always planned on bringing him back in a year so it was the beginning of using death as promotional material just to bring back a hero shortly after.

The deaths before this generally stuck, and it was more rare for heroes to come back. If they did it usually took decades not months. Look at Barry as an example. I actually enjoyed the death of superman as a standalone knowing now that it was only meant to delay his marriage to lois to coincide with the tv show.

>After Superman "died" it meant that ANYONE could "die" and come back at ANY time. It was literally a meaningless concept after that.
It already was a meaningless concept, retard. Characters were already dying and coming back before DoS.

>set of supporting characters and their middling subplots
Middling? They were going to plenty of places with those characters, Jimmy Olsen ended up fucking homeless once. It's not Carlin's or any of the writers' fault the next set of writers were a bunch of primadonnas who didn't want to bother using the stuff that was already around.