Who in fiction can defeat Empty Hand?

Droopy.

Question is how far we define fiction.
I would say god could!

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A Royal Flush

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Charon could defeat the Empty Hand!

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Based!

The fury can defeat him

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The hand animal force can defeat the empty hand!

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>Erases you from the concept Itself

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If The One Above All is the collective avatar of the writers at Marvel then it could defeat the Empty Hand by simply refusing to acknowledging it.

Captain Marvel? The Gentry found defeat on Earth 5.

Any story too pure and simple to corrupt. That's why I think about new DC Cosmology as stupid and distasteful, there are stories much more meaningful and older than "muh modernized golem".

also this

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Probably nobody.

Is Empty Hand a new take on the Great Evil Beast from Moore's Swamp Thing run? I mean that was a huge black hand.

And I know the Source / Word / God made nice with the Great Evil Beast since they were, like, two sides of the same coin, but...

How about Cosmic Armor Superman?

No. No, he really can't. I don't think the Fury can defeat any of the truly heavy hitters. He was created to destroy superheroes, to be sure, but Empty Hand is beyond cosmic. Literally.

If anything he'd bring him into the fold.
Isn't the Fury, in a sense, Moore's 'fuck you' to superheroes?

A scout force. Against a full assault..? No.

>Any story too pure and simple to corrupt.

Like what?

Gentry's little gnats are more powerful than Monitors by far iirc, so it's natural to think that Empty Hand could corrupt the Cosmic Armor story and thus trap it in an endless loop - denying the defining moment of ending that was it's strength.

>Gentry's little gnats are more powerful than Monitors by far

They're not gnats, they're soldiers, but I get it.
I don't know if they are far more powerful. They set a trap. Plus they outnumbered him.

But

>Empty Hand could corrupt the Cosmic Armor story and thus trap it in an endless loop - denying the defining moment of ending that was it's strength

sounds completely feasible.

We talking power level wise?
Cause if not then every single character in fiction can beat him with a contrived plan

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Batman

What about the God Hand

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The Spaceman. The manifestation of science fiction becoming science fact.

Are they even beyond planetary level?

Empty Hand appears to be a huntsmaster whose hounds devour entire multiverses and their guardians - said guardians being beyond metaphysical entities like gods. He may be on the level of the unknown Creator.

>He was created to destroy superheroes, to be sure, but Empty Hand is beyond cosmic
The Fury took Jaspers outside of reality so yeah it probably could.

What the hell is empty hand?. I watched a video detailing the he stars in but nothing more

That took an utterly immense amount of energy out of it though, and flat-out killed it if I recall. It only worked as a plan because Jaspers couldn't manipulate an empty void of nothingness. It wouldn't work on the Empty Hand, who is not only VASTLY stronger than Jaspers, but doesn't have his same weakness.

He travelled between universes. Even the Flash can do that.

>What the hell is empty hand?

Nobody knows. Except that he is nominally the largest-scale Big Bad DC has ever had.

He makes a physical appearance in a comic book so there are characters who can defeat him, for the sake of continuing comic books. Also he can be defeated by metafiction and the power of friendship.

>the Numidium
>erasing something that is at LEAST Amaranth-tier, if not greater
Unlikely.

Really? nothing about his powers or motives. Just sounds like a generic event vilian.

The God Hand are just High-level demon lords that can manipulate time and space, I guess they could give Empty Hand a hard time

Let's see how EH handles the Idea of Evil though

He's essentially the idea of how constant comic events cheapen stories and bad writing and tired tropes lead to fiction consumers becoming apathetic to said stories. It's no coincidence that he manifested in DC's pastiche of the Ultimate Marvel universe

We have no idea how strong they actually are. They could be anything from a mere planetary threat to a multiverse-spanning force of cosmic evil knowing how stuff like this goes.

>He travelled between universes.
Yes AND he took Jaspers outside reality read the Captain Britain run.

what is this dude even from?

Elder God Demonbane.

>Let's see how EH handles the Idea of Evil though

now this is a good match-up. from what I understand IoE is the stream of counsciosness of every man, hence why Griffith is a dark hero, why Empty Hand is what it dwells in our shitpostings. I think IoE could potentially be a far worse opponent for EH.
And what about other entities that functino in a similar manner, like the Chaos Gods and the Emperor of Mankind from wharammer 40k?

Multiversity, though he doesn't physically appear until the tail-end of it.

He's from a grimdork universe of grimney dorkness.

I think my best bet is Altair, villain from a show called Re:Creators.

She is essentially an awakened fictional character without a story that escapes to the real world and exploits her lack of canon and IRL social media to give herself a never ending and constantly expanding list of powers and feats attributed to herself. She isn't constrained by a story or the limits of any single perspective, making it impossible to subtract from her existence, only to add to it.

She pulls other fictional characters into the real world in order to make it so many impossible things happen that it crashes our universe with no survivors to get revenge on us for what happened to the person who originally made her design.

Her list of powers basically amounts to being about to rewrite or ignore the plot at will. Examples include, but are not limited to: creating copies of existing characters with all of their powers, resetting a person to how they were at a previous point in the story, reversing cause and effect, and declaring her own death non-canon.

Empty Hand boasts a powerful position in the heriarchy of Morrison's omniverse, but Altair by nature of her power superscedes that. Altair is equally at home lording it over cape comics like DC/Marvel, anime like DBZ, video games, fan fiction... if its fiction of ANY medium it is within her portfolio, and while its unclear how much she can exploit her plot-powers on real life people, nothing prevents her from turning real life people into pincushions by just spamming physical attacks. She started off as a fighting game character, after all.

Empty Hand can wave his dick around all he wants, but he can never go to IRL New York and stab Morrison to death with a a bunch of flying swords. Altair (according to the show, anyway) could. Empty Hand can never actually leave the omniverse in which he claims control, Altair just treats that any one of the trillions of stories she can enter or leave at will.

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>Re:Creators
stopped reading there. That show was boring as hell and sucked ass, plus the whole gimmick is that any popular character could just show up IRL and do whatever. You can use tons of shit from all walks of fiction. Ungalo's stand,「ʙoHemJᴀɴ RHᴀpsodʏ」could do it. Kyle Rayner on a bump of X could do it. The main character of scribblenauts could do it.

Both correct answers imho.
A dude can be all-powerful all you want, but there is no saving from being erased from the reality.
(a power which, as far as we know, the Empy Hand doesn't have)

Yeah, I ignored his post too. Altairfags are cancer. Going by how that universe works, I could literally through Ajimu into it and she'd have all of her canon abilities, before proceeding to bitchslap Altair and claim control over everything (and immediately give it up out of boredom).

That guy also seems to not understand what the Empty Hand actually is, but that's to be expected from Altairfags.

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>(a power which, as far as we know, the Empy Hand doesn't have)
He doesn't need it. He's literally the metaphysical rot plaguing the entertainment industry as a whole. You can't beat him without removing the very medium that allows all other things to come into being, and that benefits the EH more than it harms it.

>A dude can be all-powerful all you want, but there is no saving from being erased from the reality.

I actually can think of a couple of examples of characters that survive exactly that.

>He's literally the metaphysical rot plaguing the entertainment industry as a whole

Don't put on airs. What EH represents is very much representative of cape comics in specific. It doesn't apply to other mediums, unless you are going to try and argue that murder mystery novels have a serious problem with ongoing cosmic megaevents and universal retcons.

He is thematically on point for DC and Marvel and the like, but thats it.

The Empty Hand and its Gentry literally represent the broad spectrum of villainy for essentially everything else. Intellectron is the scheming mastermind, the cheat who shoots the detective dead at the end of the film or orchestrates his demise from behind the scenes. Demogorgon is the zombie horde, the army of the dead that tears down the world order, and so on and so forth.

They don't only apply to capeshit. It's the same case as how the Thought-Robot is the embodiment of heroes always winning, no matter the story.

Superman. In the story where Superman defeats the bad guy and saves the day. Because you can't really corrupt a story that simple

You can replace Superman with any other superhero.
My favorite is Six Pack./

>I would say god could!
Grant Morrison literally beat God with a single Green Lantern just last month.

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Technically, it wasn't "God." It was just a world-eater buying planets to eat at an auction.

If she is that powerful, then how does she get beaten at the end?

>nothing about his powers or motives

Absolutely nothing.
SOMETHING might be gleaned from the fact he looks like an evil demonic version of Ultra Comics, but damned if I know what that is.

The Idea of Evil is a product of humanity's aspirations acting on what I should describe as the raw stuff of creation, like a more powerful 40K Chaos God... or the Batman who Laughs, since human aspirations and fears create the universes in the Dark Multiverse.

Empty Hand is from outside all known existence. And beyond the Monitors, who themselves were beings of pure fiction.

No, he took him to a universe that had been destroyed, leaving a void. It was not 'outside reality', it was more like the remains of Earth-15.

How did she escape to the real world?

Hey, by that definition the Empty Hand jobs instantly to Goku. Because lemme tell you, I've never seen Superman fill out entire stadiums of screaming mexicans or get strip clubs to offer free lap dances or get photoshopped next to the mayor.

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>No, he took him to a universe that had been destroyed, leaving a void. It was not 'outside reality', it was more like the remains of Earth-15.
Wrong.

Going by what it is, the Empty Hand has already won in the Dragonball multiverse. An endless cycle of ennui and stagnation is all that exists in both it and almost any other shonen.

Speaking of Moore, what would happen if Nyarlathotep ran into the Empty Hand?

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>He doesn't need it. He's literally the metaphysical rot plaguing the entertainment industry as a whole.

And they say Morrisonfags don't read too much into Morrison's bullshittery.
This is literally headcanon you are spitting out as a fact.

Ha! You're not even wrong, and it's tragic there is no Gentry that represents the idea of destructive idiot hero shounen protagonists. I've always liked the idea the dumb nu-Presence thing in that shitty Lucifer reboot was another Uotan-tier corruption of the Empty Hand representing people being jaded with the idea of omnipotent deities or something myself.

I know this gets pointed out a lot these days but you're definitely using the word literally wrong

>t. Moore
Go back to screeching "NOT MUH COMICS", you whiny faggot.

which part of the gentry represents pointless powerlevel wanking, and how powerful are they?

It's either Demogorgon or Hellmachine for that one. Probably Intellectron too to some degree, to provide the mental pretzel that allows people to participate in circular debating tactics.

That's a fair question. I honestly don't think Morrison has thought that far ahead, he's always struck me as a story-first kind of guy instead of a powerlevelsfag despite how Final Crisis wanked the New Gods. If there was one, I'd guess the corrupted inflatable balloon Nix Uotan might be it but I'd honestly rather see Gentry Saiyan Beyond Gentry Goku.

TOAA. I mean, it's in his name. Above ALL.

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Wrong. He's frightened of Thanos stealing his reality anchors now.

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Wikipedia states it's the destroyed Earth-238, but the comic seems to not give any confirmation.

They'd have tea together, I guess.

My headcanon about Nyarlathotep is that he is on the side of order; everything he does is to prevent Azathoth from waking from its slumber (He's not actually mad or blind... he's asleep, which, in a sense, makes you mad and blind) which would mean the end of reality as it is now.
Humans picking at reality - our short-sighted hunger for power and knowledge causing us to seek out dark powers that came fom Azathoth - might cause Azathoth to awaken, which is why Nyarlathotep is constantly fucking with humanity, trying to drive specific humans mad, killing them, driving the species back to the stone age or destroying it outright.

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Is the Empty Hand, then, the One Below All? The ultimate evil? The Great Evil Beast?

Starlin's dialogue... it's just radio static by now. Is he really writing this or is it an algorithm?

>Wikipedia states it's the destroyed Earth-238, but the comic seems to not give any confirmation.
It doesn't give any confirmation because it isn't Earth 238 Wikipedia is incorrect
I see you've not read the run, okay well from someone who has here's what happened Dimensional Development Court pulled the plug on Earth 238 like pulling the plug on electronic device only in this case it wipes the reality out of existence.
The Fury in your image is outside of reality as I already explained to you.

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And again; doing what it did to take out Jaspers Only worked because Jaspers can't reality warp out of nothingness, and in doing all those jumps, it burnt itself out and remained dead for quite a fucking while.

It can't replicate that same feat with the Empty Hand, in any form.

This makes it sound like the One Above All isn't even naturally powerful, just that it has successfully taken control of everything on a scale most people dare not dream. But if control can be taken once, it can be taken again by someone else.

Its the difference between being God and wandering into heaven to find that no one is there, declaring yourself God because you got there first.

kek, how hard is it to keep the almighty God of your universe out of the story? This is just embarassing.

Mexicans and anime or just batman

Why couldn't Jaspers warp himself or the Fury? They're both real.

>And again
Hmmm not again in the least you've in fact introduced a new argument which is also incorrect, the Fury didn't 'burn itself out by doing all those jumps' it was weakened due to fighting Jaspers within reality so in order to win it removed Jaspers from reality to unspace where reality doesn't exist.

>How did she escape to the real world?

Its never explained. All we know is that by the time she came to 'The world of the Gods' (real life) her creator had already committed suicide.

Some people argue that the two events are linked and Altair is some kind of vengeful ghost or something, but the fact of the matter is that show never explain how Altair can do what she can do. Its possible that Altair doesn't know herself, but if she does she isn't sharing.

> If she is that powerful, then how does she get beaten at the end?

She never actually gets beaten. They try to create a story 'around' Altair so that they can have a set of canon events associated with her and can destroy her, but she plays them like a fiddle and by the time she is done the audience considers her to be the Main Character. All of the foolproof, 100% bullshit ways to kill her for good no matter what her powers are FAIL because she is the protagonist of their story now.

The MC of the show realizes whats happened and pulls some hail mary bullshit out of his ass to give Altair the one thing she wants more than destroying the world out of revenge: bringing her creator back to life. Which is impossible in real life, but happens all the time in fiction. This undercuts Altair's revenge arc and gives her story a cathartic conclusion that the audience accepts (there was literally no physical obstacle or enemy that the audience would not have expected Altair to beat at that point), letting Altair "win" but in a way that didn't destroy the world.

He was probably too busy fighting against it to care about where it warped him. And it likely didn't give him the chance to do anything beyond that, up until it got him trapped in the void.

It is literally canon that the Fury's jumps damage and weaken it over time. And even without that, the fact that Jaspers could press it to the point of breaking is already a point against it in a fight against something like the EH.

>It is literally canon that the Fury's jumps damage and weaken it over time.
I doubt this is another incorrect fact you read about on Wikipedia. Please stop inventing head cannon to justify your Empty Hand power wanking.

>And even without that, the fact that Jaspers could press it to the point of breaking is already a point against it in a fight against something like the EH.
Also why? It may be that Jaspers can also take a loong hard shit down the Empty Hand's throat.

>Trans-dimensional Traveling: Fury can also cross the dimensional barrier between universes, but the process will cause a large amount of damage that needs to be repaired soon afterward.
Literally its core weakness. In fact, whenever Fury powerwanking is brought up, the first point to negate it is the fact that the Fury can't dimension hop for significant periods without risking harm to itself

Please read the thread before you make retarded posts.

>Literally its core weakness.
Cite? I think this is something you've accepted as fact without qualification.

I remember ages ago there was rando alien mutant (you know, "the next stage of transcendence", that shit was big in Marvel back in the day) who claimed to be the new One Above All before the LT slapped her down. At the time I was pretty sure it was meant to be pure hubris.

I guess now Marvel is basically vindicating her.

Following the battle against Jaspers, when it finally warps back to proper reality, we SEE how damaged it is. It's so weakened enough that the Crazy Gang, Captain Britain, and Cpatain UK outright fisted it to death. In order to survive after that kind of shit, it has to go around devouring raw material from bog-average humans jsut to regain some modicum of strength.

This is the entity you seem to think could beat something that outstrips Jaspers in every conceivable way. Not only is this wank of the worst sort, it's wank that even its own canon doesn't support.

>Following the battle against Jaspers, when it finally warps back to proper reality, we SEE how damaged it is.
Yes from battling Jaspers not from making reality jumps.
The other example you may care to cite is when the Dimensional Court wiped out the entirety of Earth 238 universe with the Fury inside it and it still survived. It wasn't the fact that it made a reality jump to 616 that weakened it.

>Yes from battling Jaspers not from making reality jumps.
Jaspers hardly seemed like he was doing significant damage to its physical or internal structures. Not enough that Captain Britain could shove his hand up its ass and blow it the fuck up at least.

Also, the 616 version of it was a reconstruction. Not the true thing. It was weaker because it was literally an attempt at mimicking the real thing.

Superman can, you only need to believe in him...and you!

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Can't we just agree that because Mad Jim Jaspers is basically a walking caricature of the british establishment, then he'd be assimilated as one of the Gentry because he's already so close to what they are?

Why can't I believe in Goku instead tho

Sounds like a total wankfest on the part of the author.
And very Japanese, with its alienation/ isolation/suicide/escape angle.

That was another user, user.

Empty Hand is power wanking, of course. Its text is cheesy as Hell. I wonder what Morrison himself had to say about the figure?

"The real big bad guy at the end - he looks like the Ultra Comics character, but he's also the reader. The empty hand of the reader when he puts the comic down and everything ends. But like the bad guy, he can also come back in full force and say, "You'll meet me again."

"I like my books to have multiple meanings. There's multiple ways of reading it. The big bad at the end represents all the big bads in every story. We just beat that villain, now here comes the Anti-Monitor. We just beat the Anti-Monitor, now here comes something that's bigger than big. That was my thinking - the ultimate bigger than big, the ultimate universe destroyer. It's the reader, who chooses to either participate or not."
So the embodiment of the villain archetype; like his minions are embodiments of specific archetypes, he apparently literally is just The Big Bad. And, I guess, that empty feeling you may get after finishing a story.

>And, I guess, that empty feeling you may get after finishing a story.
It's an interesting concept.

Just going to leave this here for all the Fury wankers who think that its something that is actually capable of beating anything other than small-town reality warpers.

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If you mean Protegé, 'she' is a he.

There were others, of course. Clyde Wyncham. Franklin Richards. Matthew Malloy. Miranda. Molecule Man, of course, and possibly the Sentry. Kevin Brashear.

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Which resulted in...? Containment for a brief time.

Hmmm.

Can the Fury defeat Doctor Manhattan?

I ask this because that Moore creation was played up by casuals as the ultimate power (presumably because of Doomsday Clock material) but in the context of cape comics he really doesn't seem all that special.

Wait, there are people who think he's some great, concept tier baddy? He's a group boss of the week for any beefier team of Avengers.

It actually had to turn off its brain in order to continue the fight. It couldn't at all deal with the temporal fuckery going on there. It also admits during its fight with Mad Jim that shifting its form to combat him would've killed it had it not been for its previous encounters.

And given how temporo-spatial fuckery screws it up, the Gentry alone could deal with it, in a similar manner as to how they dealt with Nix Uotan.

Doctor Manhattan, per Rebirth, is a multiversal reality-warper. His fart alone could obliterate the Fury from every single level of existence simultaneously, leaving nothing behind.

>It actually had to turn off its brain in order to continue the fight. It couldn't at all deal with the temporal fuckery going on there.
Cite?
> It also admits during its fight with Mad Jim that shifting its form to combat him would've killed it had it not been for its previous encounters.
Cite?

You faggots don't know shit.

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>Sounds like a total wankfest on the part of the author.

If you just run down the list of powers of Altair, yeah she's basically unbeatable.

The show itself got slammed for being too slowly paced and not having enough fights, ironically. It spends a lot of time exploring the relationship between the fictional characters and the people who wrote them into being, and why we tell the stories we tell. Why we write the characters we write, and why people identify with them.

It also doesn't pull any punches with the characters once they get brought into the 'real world'. Of the main cast, only one character who as the protagonist of the story they came from survives. The rest failed because of the nature of the stories they came from. Like the magical girl was powerful, but came from a kids show and was emotionally unprepared for an actual life-or-death fight. She went down trying to befriend an enemy and literally could not conceive of that not working because in her world it always does.

The show also spent way too much time establishing the metaphysics in preparation for its final arc so that the various bullshit at play there was laid out clearly for the audience in advance.

>Cite?
Page immediately after that one, during its fight against the Special Executives.

>Cite?
See pic.

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Too easy,who's next?

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>Page immediately after that one, during its fight against the Special Executives.
So again not able to verify your claim.
>See pic.
Yep that was referring back to a month ago in the time line when it survived a universe being annihilated around it and had nothing to do with its previous encounters.

Jesus

>So again not able to verify your claim.
You are genuinely retarded and too lazy to do anything except Fury wank, aren't you? That encounter can literally be found if you type in the fight between it and the Special Execs. Stop being obtuse.

>Yep that was referring back to a month ago in the time line when it survived a universe being annihilated around it and had nothing to do with its previous encounters.
Literally mentions the Special Executives as being the ones who actually prompted it to adapt enough to not die facing its creator. And still got raped to death by Captain Britain.

Again; your Fury wank is rendered utterly invalid by its own damn canon.

I'm not doing your homework for you, you've made various factually incorrect statements in previous posts and here again I see examples of you creating your own head canon to try to invalidate the Fury. Your claims therefore onus is on you to prove them.

See, I don't think so. I see no reason to view Manhattan as above Jim Jaspers' level.

I'm not even the same guy as who you were arguing with, you pretentious cumwad. I just came in to disprove your glaring dickstroking regarding the Fury.

In fact, I'm quite certain that it's the weakest thing that has been suggested in this entire damn thread. And yet somehow, in your deluded mind, you think it can go around killing literal metaphysical concepts, or that it's somehow one of the strongest things in Marvel period. When it's been dead for almost over a decade at this point.

That's because you're retarded, and don't know what you're talking about. We've already established this.

Not a character... But a certain object can, wielded by any character

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There's at least one Furyfag on this board who consistently throws a shitfit in powerlevel threads regarding the character, since he assumes it beating Jasper via loophole makes it the biggest dickswinger around.

>I just came in to disprove
And you've failed to do that.
>you think it can go around killing literal metaphysical concepts
Is that a fact or in reality your interpretation of it. In fact while we're on the subject I've yet to see an example of the Empty Hand's power other than sit in a chair and masturbate its own ego.

Thanos would get rekt by the Anti-Death Equation. No need for the Empty Hand itself.

>clover over her pussy

What'd they mean by that?

Sounds like it would be better as a book.

No one, that's kind of the point. It can, however, be overcome through meaningful existence and a healthy relationship of mutual improvement with our fiction. It may be an omniversal evil beyond omnipotence but if you live your life with optimism and do things worth remembering it's presence and effects are unnoticeable

Empty Hand is pretty multilayered, it has several meanings according to Morrison. While the whole thing about retcons and neverending stories mostly applies to big capes like marvel and DC, the "Empty Hand of the reader" bit applies to all forms of fiction. Ultimately the empty hand is the embodiment of the consumers of our world, deciding which fictional universes deserve to exist and which ones should be cancelled and forgotten.

Imagine The Empty Hand and this lad having a power level wank off, who ejaculates first? The winner is the one who can incorporate the most meta textual bunk.

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Sounds like a load of shit, honestly. Have a guy show up on two actual comic pages where he does a grand total of nothing, spend the next three years throwing deep sounding bullshit at the wall in interviews and let the fans that care fill in the rest themselves.

Morrison is always talking about the relationship between the work and the reader, but he never fucking has anything to SAY. There's never a goddamn POINT to it or a message he is trying to get across.

They'd have tea probably, and the Scarlet King would ask what he did wrong to get two utter failures amongst his sons.

EH is the metatext. He can inside reality or not, because he knows this is all a book.

You silly redditor.

The reader is the only one that can beat him.

Making him fight characters of fiction is pointless. He can chose to be part of the narrative or not.

amaranth isn't like a power level dude

Right, mixed "her" up with the girl Thor saved in his classic run. Anyway Protege stands out because to my knowledge the others are "merely" vastly powerful reality warpers but even MM has only boasted of being "Narrative Man" rather than the big man upstairs.

Also your pic makes me wonder if the Cosmic Abstracts and the New Gods share a common ancestry somewhere down the line, with the former coalescing into cosmic constants and the latter "ascending" into platonic ideas. The New Gods did come from Marvel Asgard's destruction in Kirby's earliest work after all, and Those Who Sit Above In Shadow sound awfully like New Gods if they didn't or couldn't make avatars in the real world. Evolutionary throwbacks, maybe?

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Unironically The Empty Hand. It's "canon" that he's so scared of his aunt when his general started and lost a fight with her archon, he immediately apologised and exiled him.

Heh. Considering the many silly thing The Elder Scrolls Online has introduced (but mostly Sotha Sil being SO AWESOME he blackmailed many Daedric Princes into a nonaggression pact through FEAR of being unmade and ONE SPELL of his is enough to give Nocturnal a chance at ABSORBING ALL OF EXISTENCE which is apparently a thing she's always wanted to do) I would not be surprised if we eventually get Super Amaranth 2 Evolution KaiokenX10.

>He never has anything to say
It's a message that he has been conveying for like 30 years, although it is more obvious in Flex Mentallo than anything else. The relationship between reader and fiction ought to be mutually benefitial. Cultivating imagination and making it meaningful instead of degrading it to cheap entertainment is a way to bring a positive influence to our lives. Instead of being devoured by the oblivion machine you ought to go outside, gamble a stamp, help your neighbour and become your best self.

>Have a guy show up on two actual comic pages where he does a grand total of nothing, spend the next three years throwing deep sounding bullshit at the wall in interviews and let the fans that care fill in the rest themselves.

He's done like 3 multiversity interviews and those were years ago, like, 2015. Most of it confirming what most people who paid attention could figure on their own. Still, they are useful for when some speedreader comes with complains about "reading too much into it" or "muh headcanon"

What is this from

You're absolutely right it's the Empty Hand because as we know from canon the Empty Hand is much more experienced at sitting in a chair doing nothing other than masturbating to how all powerful he is.

Empty hand is the one punch man of villains except instead of being a joke he's supposed to be a tragedy

Providence, the third and largest work in a 3-part series by Moore about the Outer Gods meme magicking themselves into existence. The first (Neonomicon) is written for shock value and it shows, the second (The Courtyard) is a classic Lovecraft tale of one guy losing his marbles, the third abounds with references. Personally, it's my favorite Moore work just because his degeneracy is unintentionally(?) perfect for making Lovecraft horrifying again.

Well that settles it, The Empty Hand's only equal is Chris-Chan

Clearly we must try exposing him to mosquitoes, cats and the Japanese cold then

If the EH is everything inevitably wrong with comics, then the only ones to beat him would be everything right with stories
>5 or so Archetypes that just come in and do battle
But who are the archetypes?

>Yea Forums ever agreeing on that question
Yeah no, The Empty Hand is unbeatable

>an everyman
>an innocent
>a mentor
>a parent figure maybe mother & father as one character
>a real gallant hopeful hero
just some titans that are basic bitch elements of stories who tear Empty Hands army limb from limb and brutally devour him like Chronos ate his kids, then leave with EH...holding his hands and filling them somehow or something
>the excuse could tie in exposure to dark "what-if centric" multiverse and destruction of the sourcewall
they summon them with the LIFE-equation

Re;Creators was such a boring mess full of wasted potential

they wouldnt need to agree, hell they wouldnt even have to have names beyond The Archetypes, they would only need to be visually distinct from one another

Problem 1: Devouring an adversary is a very un-hero thing to do. If the EH is what Morrison makes him out to be, that leaves an opening for The Reader to bring him back somehow from sheer horror/jaded contempt at how grisly/dumb his end was.

Problem 2: The Gentry alone have an Anti-Death Equation.

And problem 3: Isnt Nix Uotan basically the gallant hopeful hero archetype, being the last Monitor after the Monitor race imploded in a suspiciously similar way to the Kryptonians? The Gentry alone swatted him so hard they inverted him into a monster set against the whole multiverse.

I don't think that highly of Nix - at all
1/2 - yeah I know, just spitballin for somethin, but the end wouldnt kill the EH, only stop him or put him to sleep, or interest him - you're exactly right about him coming back. Thats the problem with metaphysical characters
>maybe they let him eat THEM, filling his hands but destroying him from the inside - bc you cant be jaded if you dont have hope as a reference point? but then you'd also have to make a statement about the hopeless, those who have never known hope at all...I dunno

True

Isnt hulk fighting a god right now or something could that thing beat the gentry

Could he eat the gentry

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Unironically the Emperor of Mankind.
he has already trascended fiction at this point.

>An endless cycle of ennui and stagnation
you're describing cape comics user

Superman?

This guy

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Superman
He represents hnroism in fiction.
And, he is linchpin in Morrison's metatextual cosmology.

John after acquiring retcon powers from The Treasure.

I’m not really familiar with Empty Hand, so let’s just go with what usually works: Featherine Augustus Aurora, that can just win while thinking later about how to actually do it, or erase the concept of the opponent from the story of their battle

The Empty Hand is more comparable to the Umineko Creator than it is anything oppoosable.

Nothing. Defeating the Empty Hand is our job.

Have you enjoyed a comic today, Anons?

Featheriner does not even exist

>That's because you're retarded, and don't know what you're talking about. We've already established this.

Do you expect a reasonable answer to this? Manhattan has done nothing Jaspers hasn't.

Germs can kill people, a black widow can kill a person, that sort of thing.

A sort of Kirby Link?

>the LIFE-equation

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What about the REAL God Hand?

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>Isnt hulk fighting a god right now

No, the One-Below-All; anti-God, or the Devil. The real thing. Mephisto and the others and all who do evil "Are all themselves, but they are him as well".
The Hulk is or was his unknowing proxy, a 'Little Devil".

Gamma power, in the context of the Marvel universe, is not just radiation but a semi-mystical force of nature which can transcend or breach natural laws. When the Gamma bomb exploded, it created a very thin, frayed patch in reality that the One-Below-All can penetrate if it wants.

If the One-Below-All is the negative counterpart of the One-Above-All, he's the most powerful evil being in Marvel comics and equivalent to the Empty Hand.

Good point, Leetanon.

Rats. Wrong page.

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