Ruins your series

They should have just killed her as a child. She seems like such a dumb bitch in the show. They don't ever make it seem like she understands for even a second how dangerous her powers are.
And she dresses like a lesbian chollo.

I feel like people are hating on Ellen way harder than is normal

She was fine for almost the entire series except the ending

>They don't ever make it seem like she understands for even a second how dangerous her powers are.
Maybe because no one ever actually explained it to her like a normal person, instead they either locked her up, mind raped then neglected her. lied and murdered to get to her powers or lied then locked her up again.

Her siblings were the assholes because for all the shit they talk about how bad their father was they act exactly like him.

Did you miss the part where she was a ruthless killing machine and the reason they got Mommybot is because Vanya kept killing all the nannies and they needed something that could survive being in ber presence.

I think it would have been fun to see 2 completely insane sugar junkies going on a rampage but these 2 were still really good.

It makes sense tho.
I always thought that mother named them the way she did based on countries they were born.

Ben, Alisson and Luther are English/American names so their race can be whatever

Klaus is german, so he's white
Diego is latino, so he's a latino
Vanya is Russian/slavic (short for Ivan, weirdly enough) so she's white

It makes more sense than naming a white kid diego

It is weird that they kinda retcon that she in fact DID have control over her powers, just not control over her emotions

I respect that the eyes are white

that doesn't really have anything to do with her horrible acting and her face already looking like a 70 year old with a million dollar lifting and botox

I liked shows version, but i think we could have best of both worlds, naming them whatever else, and after one of them escapes and other dies, whoever replaces the handler is like, Fuck it, bring me Hazel and Cha-Cha

Or even say fuck it, have younger versions of them be sugar junkies that got send to end a mission older them couldnt do, you have time shennanigans, use them

I liked the show, but i will never forgive making Krakens powers just throwing knives good

Why the fuck they took away his breath holding, what does it change

>comic hazel and cha cha battle show hazel and cha cha
I honestly wouldn’t put it past them

Yeah that was lame, it helped further push the notion that Vanya seriously is a nobody. That even Kraken with his useless fucking power is still more special.

I'd like to see younger care free version in S2 as well

Did you miss the part where she was a confused child? If most little kids had that kind of power they'd be killing people left right and center if they didn't get a piece of candy because they have no real understanding of what they're doing. Not to mention the fact that the guy that did it to her was portrayed as a heartless monster by every member of the family for the whole season, so what do they do when faced with the same challenge? Lock her up again. What her siblings did is actually even worse than what their father did since they're supposed to love her and now she's an adult who can understand what she's doing. Which is why she went to them for help, the only family who've ever shown her any kind of love, the people who were also raised by a monster and the only other people she knows with powers, and they betray her.

On ep 5 atm, so far I like her acting a lot. The only one of the siblings I dislike is the guy who lools like mad max

>so what do they do when faced with the same challenge? Lock her up again.

To be fair, Only luther wanted her locked up

I definitely like her acting her compared to X-Men

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Only a selfish spoiled brat would Identify with Vanya and see her as victim.
They showed very clearly that she knowingly and purposely killed the nannies and fell inline instantly when someone she couldnt kill came along. She is basically an evil person deep down. The nice Vanya was a lie created by drugs and Allisons suggestion.

You don't talk that way about Diego, he a good boy

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She was dangerous and the fact she couldn't see that after nearly killing her sister proves she was too immature to handle that power anyway.

>The nice Vanya was a lie created by drugs and Allisons suggestion
She wasn't even that nice. Her book is a giant fuck you to the family.

I hope we get more Reginald next season, I liked him very much

To be fair, the series itself is pretty bad, with little to no superpowers, only drama and terrible decisions. They had to throw an army of mooks in the last episode to finally make the characters do something fun.
This scene bugs the hell out of me. Luther was clearly the only one who wanted her locked up, Diego and Five were against it. And when Allison shows up demaning that he lets Vanya go, he refuses, the other two do nothing and simply vanish; when the open up the shot they're not even there. The fuck happened?

Maybe they knew that if even allison can't change his mind then no one can, and they're not ready to kill each other for it

She was four years old. You don't have a concept of life and death at that point and wasn't living in the most stable household, while holding fucking IMMENSE power.
If Superman had his powers from birth instead of puberty he would've murdered the Kents.

I dunno. I'm pretty sure they could've taken Luther pretty easily; I think this is another of the show's faults - he just doesn't seem that strong. In the first episode Diego can hold him off, he fucks up every assignment that they throw at him and every call he makes as leader. Like, I'm wondering if it's a plot point that he's actually that incompetent.

She was a literal child. Have you never seen a child throw a tantrum before? If ANY child had her powers they'd all be killers.

But she could see that, which is why she went to her family for help.

Her character was supposed to be a super boring, ordinary girl

Pretty much; she was distraught and sought her family even thought in her mind she had killed one of them. And what they did was lock her up in a vault that didn't even have an intercom to talk, fucking savages. Couldn't they at least not leave the giant spikes in the walls and ceiling, put some cushions, a kettle and some tea?

5 > Klaus > Diego > Ellen > Black chick > Ben > Luther

Only Luther was kind of shitty though

The others didn't really try very hard to stop him though. If they really cared about Vanya then they all could've sat there or asked to be locked up with her in solidarity, saying he's doing to her exactly what their father did to them, especially himself (locked up on the moon) and Klaus (locked up in the crypt)

Instead they all gave up way too easily just so Vanya would turn into the big bad. It's stuff like that that stops the show being really great to me. Clear moments that happen against characterization just to advance or stagnate the plot. A real surprise/subversion would've been One being the one that brings on the apocalypse and Vanya is the only one that can stop him or something like that.

Mom > 5 > Vanya > Klaus > Diego > Hazel > Rumor > Luther > Pogo > Hargreeves > Cha-Cha

Ellen Page IS a lesbian chollo, numb nuts

The story felt like there were low stakes even though they continuously mentioned the world ending. We go from the family house, to the doughnut shop, to some house in the woods... In fact it feels a bit as if they didn't know how to do it, because Vanya goes from moving stuff with her mind to just being able to lasersplode the moon. None of the others are anywhere near that level of power, even Five who can time travel.

>Mombot that high
Hmm, what's your logic? I didn't hate her or anything but I still find it hard to believe that she beat out Five for anyone

They paid their lip service but acknowledged they didn't want to be in the same house as someone who can kill everyone by thinking about it. Or by not thinking about it

The whole thing could've been avoided if they just gave her something besides oatmeal to eat, though

We never even knew how the hell Pogo came to be. Was he a man injected with the same serum as Luther, but higher dosage? Some sentient ape Hargreeves found during a safari? Who knows?

I liked Ben for what little they had him and the mostly one sided interactions with Klaus.
Him only nagging for 80% of the season seems like such a waste when you could have had the punch scene much earlier and done better with both of them playing off eachother.

Just let Allison exchange messages with her through the glass, Luther, Jesus Christ. Some basic human decency is all you needed to avert armaggeddon.

I kinda liked that he was just this super weird dose of comic and all the characters didn't treat him like he was weird at all.
It's explained in the comics (which are shitty) if you really care though

That punch scene was the only thing that made me laugh during the whole show. And it's not like they didn't try to sprinkle some comedy every now and then.

>Instead they all gave up way too easily just so Vanya would turn into the big bad. It's stuff like that that stops the show being really great to me
I agree, easily worst part for me. Whole family telling him it's a very clear bad idea
>I SAID NO!!!!
Oh, okay>chollo
I don't see that. No accent, no tattoo eye brow,

Ben was fine, I expect we'll see more of him in season 2

Reginald should've just euthanized her if he was just gonna mentally abuse her for 10 years and then kill himself. Like what's the point? He doesn't value them at all and he makes and unmakes people all the time so there's no good reason why he even bothered keeping her alive. He knew she could kill the world and could've just snuffed her out in her sleep or whatever.

Sounds harsh but if it's one 4 year old or the entire world then that's easy math. She didn't grow up to master her powers and become a hero in her own right. She didn't grow up and become a world class violinist. She didn't rise out of her family's shadow. The best outcome for her sans a mercy killing is two and a half kids, a picket fence, and an addiction to rose and xanax. Why did he even pick those trigger words? He could've hadAllison say something like "I heard a rumor you don't have any superpowers". Did he want to raise her to be a super villain? What was the fucking plan here?

I appreciated that they actually did something with Ben. It was weird to me that they reminded you he existed in every single issue of the comic but he never showed up in anything. Not in a flashback. Not as one of Seance's apparitions. Not as anything. Why even write him into the story?

>He knew she could kill the world
I'm pretty sure we'll find out what Hargreeves feared would end the world is something completely unrelated that'll come up in the following season.

She's the only really pure character. That and she fulfills a whole bunch of fetishes

Drunk no. 5 made me laugh
Something about the actor, portraying a drunk old man was very funny.

All of them can basically kill someone really easily though. A fact that should've made them sympathize with her and bring them even closer together. It makes no sense for someone whose entire arc is about people seeing him as a literal monster to then treat his sister like a monster, or for someone whose entire life has revolved around him being locked up alone as a child to not fight tooth and nail or become even closer to a sibling who was also locked up alone as a child, same with 5 being all alone in the future. None of them are afraid of Allison despite her having the ability to make them do literally anything she wants. Them locking her up and deciding that the only way to stop her is to kill her just makes no sense and completely goes against their characterization.

When the final fight went down I was actually waiting for the show to finally surprise me by having Allison and the others stop before getting to Vanya and telling her to make the choice herself. She can choose to be everything their father feared she was, or she can prove him and everyone else wrong by choosing to stop. Could've had the same outcome as well with her choosing to stop her final flare and shooting it into the sky which accidentally destroys the moon.

That isn't Luther's arc tho. His whole thing is that he's the leader who is supposed to make the hard calls for the Umbrella Academy but is constantly fucking up because everyone else left him behind and he isn't sure how to do it anymore. That falls completely in line with him putting Vanya in prison, especially since he's in love with Allison and Vanya callously gave her a near lethal wound.

Allison is the only one who reached out to Vanya as a sister, the rest of them could not give a single shit what Vanya does with her life

It seems out of character for Five to leave, though, when he knows Vanya is the cause of the apocalypse but isn't really sure how. Saying "Eh, lock her up" and just taking off casually doesn't sound like him.

He didn't take off. You're misremembering. Vanya breaking out and blowing u the academy is what informs Five that Vanya is the cause of the apocalypse. Then they reconvene at the bowling alley and he is lured away by the Director of the Temps Director

Hazel still likes killing. Just not for the man.

Latino isn't a race. He could be anything.

I don't get the numbering system desu. How is the Rumor not more dangerous than the Horror?

Children don't kill people. In fact children killing animals is an early sign of them being a psychopath.

I don't think it's actually a ranking of powers. They're numbered as babies.

>That isn't Luther's arc tho.
It's certainly a large part of his arc. There's a reason he hid that he was part monkey for a lot of the season and then list his shit when it was revealed.
>the rest of them could not give a single shit what Vanya does with her life
Which doesn't make sense given what we see of them and their childhoods throughout the season. The two things they all have in common is that they have powers and they all hate their father, Vanya didn't have powers and they don't think their father fucked her up as much as he did to them. So them learning that she's actually exactly like them should've brought them closer together, not suddenly turn them into their father even more.

I remember reading somewhere that the higher the number, the more dangerous they are/the higher potential they have

But kids can be violent, only their punches don't kill no one. Hers did.

Where did I say children kill people? I'm saying that kids throw tantrums and that if kids did have super powers they couldn't properly control or understand then they absolutely would.

Have you never seen a little kid throw their food on the floor because they don't want it? Imagine if that kid had insane super powers. People would die.

She wasn't angry, or physically violent. She just did it callously because she could. As noted when Grace didn't get hurt realized she couldn't fuck with her.

Yes well tumblr said that because they hate Luther. The characters believe the numbers are a ranking and act accordingly but nothing says it really is.

He didn't lose his shit because his ape body was revealed, he lost his shit because his dad wasted four years of his life for no reason. He was fine with having an ape body and hid it so as not to startle his siblings.

They don't care about Vanya. They consider her tell-all an invasion of privacy and a betrayal to their family and they all have better shit to do than worry about the forgettable one. Luther is concerned with the fate of the Academy, Diego is concerned with being Moon Knight, Klaus is trying to get high and Five's goals are inscrutable beyond preventing the apocalypse. In the comic Diego was secretly in love with vanya the whole time so maybe that could've lead to something but they obviously weren't interested in doing that for the TV series.

Allison is the only one who cares because she's the only one of them who bothered to go on to have a family herself.

And it was also noted that high pitched sounds drive her mad. Psychopaths tear wings off of butterflies, all kids lash out when they don't like something. Her lashing out is lethal. Also, its what she was taught by Dad, to use her powers upon some specific sound. She was a dumb kid then, she was a dumb idiot when she slashed allisons throat, but she is no psychopath, not until she breaks out of the cell anyways.

She didn't throw her food on the floor even though that's supposedly what she was mad at. She directed it all at people. That's not normal.

You don't just become a psychopath. You always are one. Sure you can socialize a psychopath to be a productive member of society, but that's not what she got is it?

She was good enough. I know it's fashionable to hate on Ellen Page but objectively she felt like the character they wanted to portray.

>which are shitty
nope

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You've never seen a kid hit someone? They do and while not acceptable, it is normal. They have to be taught not to, and that's not what Dad did. Also, as said before, 4 year old kids mostly are not aware of consequences of things they do.

A kid hitting someone isn't the same as a kid murdering multiple people with no shits to give about any of it. And fucking yes 4 year olds are able to understand consequences. They're capable of lying to try to get out of trouble, even if it's poorly. That's why she was surprised Grace didn't DIE.

>He didn't lose his shit because his ape body was revealed
I think you may need to re-watch there friend. He absolutely did. He also lost his shit when he found out his dad sent him to the moon for no reason.

>They don't care about Vanya
They clearly do, just not as much as each other.
>they all have better shit to do than worry about the forgettable one.
Which as I pointed out makes even less sense with the reveal that she's just like them, especially since at that point in the story none of them are worried about those things anymore besides 5 and the end of the world. Remember how Vanya was the one he went to first to help? Clearly he and the others care about her, which is part of the reason her book hurt them so much, it was written by a loved one.

Sorry, they're fucking awful, poorly written and rushed as hell.
I mean fuck, look how the moon issue is solved in the comic

versus the moon issue in the show where its just "uh yeah lets just do this over again"

Hazel and Cha-Cha, though sparingly used, are better in the comics. Rumor is better in the comics. Vanya being evil from the start is better. Kraken being edgy is funnier. Five is more convincingly snarky. The only thing the show consistently does better is Klaus who is just underwritten in the comics.

Are you just being deliberately obtuse? Or are you autistic?

>She didn't throw her food on the floor
Where did I say she did?
>She directed it all at people. That's not normal.
Tell that to all the people who've had little kids throw things at them over the course of human history. My kid sister would quite often throw everything within reach at people when she was throwing a tantrum, if she had powers a lot of people would be dead.

I guess you are right. Some parts of her character seem kind of inconsistent since she went from killing machine > wet rag > killing machine (in case of leonard) > wet rag > white violin

>A kid hitting someone isn't the same as a kid murdering multiple people with no shits to give about any of it.
You cannot be this fucking dumb. Why do you keep taking the examples people give you as literal 1:1 comparisons? NO ONE IS FUCKING SAYING THEY'RE THE SAME. People are saying that IF kids had powers they couldn't control then people would die as a result of them throwing a tantrum.

I watched it yesterday. This is what happens
>Cha Cha drops a chandelier on him
>He gets up and reveals his weird torso
>Two and Three look at him, mouth agape
>They gloss over it. He's clearly self conscious about it but it doesn't bother him since his dad did it to save him, he was still loyal to Reginald, and this happened like 15 years ago relevant to the story so he isn't angry about it anymore
>Diego gives him shit for being a fucking weirdo
>some shit happens
>Luther realizes the last four years of his life were a lie
>remembers that this nigga turned him into a monkey
>Good End with Allison and/or Medium End with rave thot

>Allison, Klaus and Diego are against putting Vanya in the cell
>even express solid arguments about it
>Luther: nope she'll stay there forever
>everybody: oh well we tried :)

also Vanya being in the cell and seeing Allison and Klaus express clear concern about her being in there and even WRITING IT ON A PIECE OF PAPER

Vanya: why did they all betray me

I didn't like Rumors involvement in Vanya's powers getting sealed. I honestly can't think of a single decision the show made that I preferred over the comic.

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Then you missed the part of him immediately running off and hiding in his room and clearly being self-conscious about it. There's a reason he didn't tell anyone about it and tried to keep it hidden. Also the stuff later in the season with Allison when they're getting romantic, he's very self conscious of it. Notice how in dancing in the moonlight fantasy he doesn't have it? Because right then and there in that moment he's worry free.

>virgin peons say some stupid shit
>based gorilla chad makes the logical argument that telekinetic sociopaths should be kept in confinement until they starve to death

based and parasolpilled

see >everybody: oh well we tried :)

The Horror actually appears in the show
The Director of the Temps Aeternalis is a waifu instead of an unfuckable goldfish
Five is directly responsible for 9/11

this. but then again Yea Forums always loved shitting on her because she's typecast as the edgy indie juno character

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She's typecast as Boltie from Super tho

I really fucking loved the music/dance numbers.

Istanbul not Constantinople > Dancing in the Moonlight > I Think We're Alone Now

If I had to pick though.

none of those are my chemical romance songs desu

So
Did Diego fuck Mom?

That would be gay and even more formulaic than the series already is.

It's literally impossible to be more formulaic than it was though. You're telling me you didn't see the ending coming 5 episodes ago? At least my suggestion keeps their characterizations consistent.

Lol you are a retarded faggot. She was sitting there with a cold expression killong them not having a tantrum. She understood fully that she was making them go away for ever just like she instantly understood she couldn't make Mother go away.
She obviously has some kind of evil alter ego.
>But she felt like people were mean to her
Nigga so what. Luthor become a gorilla and got stranded on the moon. If she wasn't stupid and selfish she would hwr power was dangerous and uncontrollable.

Its not an alter ego she is just a vicious little cunt unless drugged and brainwashed.

>Four year olds have a full and coherent understanding of what death is
>If she wasn't stupid
Which is it man? Is she a super evil super genius or a selfish idiot?

>She obviously has some kind of evil alter ego
>Lol you are a retarded faggot
Ironic.

She wasn't just a regular 4 year old stupid. She killed them in a variety of ways. She knew what she was doing and enjoyed it. She didn't cry or scream or indicate displeasure in anyway until she impaled them with kitchenware.

>She didn't cry or scream or indicate displeasure in anyway until she impaled them with kitchenware.
Almost as if.....she didn't understand what she was really doing. As far as she understood she was just making the people she didn't like go bye bye.

>4 year olds are able to understand consequences.
Not in the same scale as understanding death and killing. To her, killing the nanny was the same as breaking a toy she didn't like. Kids lash out when they're forced to do something they don't want; she simply had a huge power.

Breath holding?

Yes, Reginald didn't make the best choice. He did what he thought was best. He was arrogant as fuck, and as adults we see clearly they weren't the right choices.

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Well then I guess the whole family is psychopaths then because the rest of them were happily killing a bank full of people when they were much older and could definitely understand what they were doing.

She tried to shit on starlord unprovoked for being normal.

they didn't kill anyone
except luther maybe when he defenestrated that one guy

Latino is, its Hispanic that isn't.

>they didn't kill anyone
Yeah, I'm sure Ben just ripped those people apart real gentle like. And who dies after being thrown 3 stories? Or from bullets when Allison made them shoot each other? They're all just sleeping I bet. Not to mention all the innocent people 5 killed over the years

Why is this necessary? Blacks make up only 13% of the population, there is no need to include one in every fucking production. Its offensive.

i SAID EXCEPT when he defenestrated that guy, fucker

You said MAYBE when he defenestrated that one guy. I was pointing out that there is no maybe about it and how all the others killed people as well, fucker.

This is probably bait, but did you really not get that the room had to be completely sound dampened or there'd be no point to it?

Only 4% of Americans are gay but that isn't stopping you from being a faggot right now, is it?

honestly fucking maybe

>Hazel going toe-to-toe with a dude who literally has a gorilla torso
I want tall fat white guy strength dammit.

Those were bad guys not helpless nannies

Do you understand that on rooms completely devoid of sound, you can start hearing your own body? Hell, it's what ended up happening; you don't even need it to be soundproofed to hear your own heartbeat,

I just assumed he and Cha Cha had superpowers as well. Otherwise it's completely retarded that he could stand against Luther,

No it's not, they're like the same size. Luther is more durable but he was doing relatively well for a while and he took no lasting damage.

Luthur has super strength even before he was turned into a fucking Gorilla.

Yeah, which is why it ended up being pointless. Making it even more pointless from the start wouldn't really help anybody.

>teens that properly understand the concept of death gleefully killing a bunch of bad guys
>well adjusted heroes
>3-4 year old with no proper understanding of death or her abilities lashes out and incidentally kills helpless nannies
>evil malicious super genius psychopath

Luther already can't think his way through a solution, or lead a team, if he also can't beat a normal guy in a fistfight, what good is he?

She's the worse part of Umbrella Academy Series, if I were to compare Ellen Page to something, it would be Lesbian Death Bed, which is an actual thing, which also is, is a lesbian.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_bed_death

She can't fucking act, and she looks out of place. I want to bang the robot Mom though I'm not the only one right? Does she have breast and the other parts or is it just a Barbie doll

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To be fair since Vanya was on downers for most of her life she never learned how to control her emotions. Which she would have through peer pressure and socialization

Also someone mentioned before Luther still might have been recovering from the moon low gravity

In the comics he can hold his breath indefinitely(?). Hence, him going as "the Kraken", since it's useful for underwater travel. He could also throw stuff like knives really well, like the show. I don't know if the show explicitly disregarded his underwater specialty, or if they simply never got around to showing it. Regardless, I'm pretty sure it's just meant to extenuate how useless his skillset is and further raise the question as to why Hargreeves appointed him as number 2.

Luther followed his father orders till the end. I'm sure him being number was due a lot to how loyal he'd be.

Number 1*

I personally think the numbering is based on how well Monocle believed he could control the kids. 1 and 2 are purely physical abilities. For one reason or another, 3's ability was considered more manageable than 4-7, which I assume that means it's only useful for small-scale events. Can't go "I heard a rumor the world blew up" or whatever. And I suppose in a way he was right, since 4-7 have the most fantastical issues, or dead, while 1-3 seem somewhat more stable(?).

They made it pretty clear she is inherently evil. Remember the little girl reflection telling her to become her true self? They basically suppressed that evil murder girl with drugs but that's who she really is.
If she wasn't on downers she would have killed everyone when she had a bad period or something.

Did he give them no designation at all before their powers manifested, or did he have some way of knowing their powers as babies?

>They made it pretty clear she is inherently evil.
Fucking stop trying to peddle this shit. They in fact did the exact opposite.
>Remember the little girl reflection telling her to become her true self?
Remember all the times she felt bad and just wanted to be loved? Why you keep trying to push this idea that she has some literal evil monster inside of her and shes just inherently evil is beyond me. As a bunch of people have pointed out in this thread it's completely wrong.

Those people are retarded. She was about to kill all of them and destroy the whole planet cause her fee fees got hurt. She was extremely dangerous and all they wanted to do was make sure she didn't blow the planet up.
Luthor lived alone as a gorilla man on the moon and didn't become evil and try to destroy the planet.
The evil Vanya is inherently part of her character.

So which sibling has the highest potential power level? I feel like it's Klaus based on the fact that if everyone else died he can channel them and their abilities. Plus, even a ghost without powers is useful since they can mess with the physical world but nothing can be done to them.

>They made it pretty clear she is inherently evil.
No they didn't, stop projecting your own feelings onto it. It showed she was fucked up but no where near evil

Diego's skillset isn't useless. He doesn't just "throw knives good", he has superhuman accuracy. He can throw a toothpick and the whole world will move underneath it so it can jab someone in the eye

Seven showed the ability to blow up the fucking moon
Other wise it's Five (cause time fuckery is OP) and then Klaus even before he learned to manifest people cause basically infinite knowledge if he can actually summon ghosts.

Everyone else is pretty low tier desu with only really rumor being an actual world threat if she really just wanted to wreck shit

the evil don't deserve to be loved

7 > 6 > 5 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1

Yeah it's a writing issue they have her go from distraught and hurt to completely fucking insane all in the span of like 2 scenes.

How is it not evil to murder people and destroy the planet? She killed Pogo bruh.

Because the her that was fine was a lie.

This could make sense except for Six. I don't see how Ben's tentacles could ever be put above Five's teleportation and time travel. Unless Ben's endgame is controlling Lovecraftian gods or some shit like that, I'm not seeing it.

I can't tell if you're trolling or legit retarded

clearly vanya. klaus is 2nd or 3fd behind 5

Why not?

who does?

>She was about to kill all of them and destroy the whole planet
Not in the show and certainly not deliberately. Hell, she once again started calming down and becoming her normal self again when Allison showed up to watch her at the concert and didn't lose it until she was once again betrayed by her family.

>have insane powers
>be raised in fucked up household by fucked up man
>be drugged and mindfucked
>live life on drugs
>never learn to properly cope with insane powers
>come off drugs
>learn the truth
>constantly betrayed by everyone she thinks loves her
>her fee fees got hurt
I bet you think Hargreeves is the real hero and the only thing he did wrong was showing them too much love and not killing Vanya as a baby,

>all they wanted to do was make sure she didn't blow the planet up
Maybe they've should've oh I don't know, treated her like an actual person then and not done the exact same thing the father they all supposedly hate did.

>Luthor lived alone as a gorilla man on the moon and didn't become evil and try to destroy the planet.
No, but he lost his shit and his life was still only 1% as fucked up as Vanya's was. I wonder how he'd have reacted if they'd all decided that they were going to forcibly send him back to the moon? Once again, she was not deliberately trying to destroy the world in the show.

>The evil Vanya is inherently part of her character.
There is no "evil Vanya" she isn't possessed or have multiple personalities. For real man, are you autistic?

Those tentacles come from some other dimension, where I would assume houses lovecraft horrors, yeah. I always thought he wasn't necessarily dead in the comics, but he may still have relevance if they bring up the origins of those tentacles again.

5. He could just go back in time and kill Klaus or any of them while he's sleeping or a baby if he had complete mastery of his powers.

But she's not evil, that was the whole point of her story. Some of you fuckers are really messed up if "Vanya is inherently just plain evil" is what you got from her storyline and the show in general. You do remember that 5 willingly chose to kill hundreds of innocent people for his own personal gain right?

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>kill hundreds of innocent people for his own personal gain right?
He was kinda between a rock and hard place. Before a time assassination, he was just waiting to die. Next is he tells Luther he was good at it, but he didn't enjoy it.

you do

Vanyafag please
>Luthor's life is only 1% as fucked up
Typical kind of self centered shut Vanya would think. Vanya had a chance to live a normal life. Luthor literally got killed and ressurected as a Gorilla zombie and sent to live on the moon. How in the world is what happend to Vanya worse?
>The only thing Hargreeves did wrong was showing too much love and not killing Vanya
Pretty much. These kids would have been shit eating orphans or probably just murdered for being unnatural anyway. Instead they got to live in a mansion and have a purposeful life if they just got their shit together.
So yeah they lacked discipline that's why they are so fucked up. All the shit they complain about is actually teenage bullshit basically and Hargeeves was a visionary genius trying to save the world.

It was only drugs that prevented her from killing everyone years ago user. Why can't you accept this?

At the end of the last episode they showed everyone as kids before time traveling, which is what happened to Five. Are all of them going to be their younger selves in season 2, or will it be a temporary thing? Half the reason this show worked is because of the cast.

Luther chose. He chose to stay, this get's address in the show via Diego and others.
"Maybe the question isn't why we left, but why you stayed."

Vanya was lied to and treated like a used napkin most her life

>He was kinda between a rock and hard place.
No he wasn't. He was alive and well in the future, and even if his life was threatened that doesn't justify killing a bunch of innocent ones just to save yours. At best he's a selfish murdering coward and at worst he's one of the biggest serial killers in history. He's way worse than Vanya.

>this triggers the evilfags

how are we supposed to know? this is pretty much an adaptation in name only

>kill dozens of people to bide time until you can prevent the apocalypse
>cause the apocalypse

which is worse?

Dude I really don't want to argue on Yea Forums. But he was an assassin those innocent people were Marks that we're capable of changing the time line. Second the fact he clings so close to his manikin doll should tell you how much his life was shit.

>Vanya had a chance to live a normal life.
She chose to be drugged and mindfucked as a child with no one ever explaining the reasoning why? She chose to be neglected by her siblings and father? She chose to never learn how to properly deal with her emotions or powers off the drugs? She chose to then be taken advantage of by a crazy murderer who new exactly how to manipulate her? She chose to be betrayed again and again by her family?

Ironically Luther is the only one of them that chose this life. He chose to go on missions by himself and he chose to go to the moon. He chose to hide himself away and never move forward.

>The only thing Hargreeves did wrong was showing too much love and not killing Vanya
>Pretty much.
Oh, so you're either autistic or an edgy 14 year old. Got it.

>Marks that we're capable of changing the time line
That was the dumbest, least thought out excuse ever. Unless they're going to explain it better later.

Because it's objectify not true. They may have been necessary while she was a little child and still not really cognizant of of things like death, her powers etc. But once she got older and could handle and understand things she could've been told the truth and taught with love how to handle them.

Did you really miss that throughout the entire season all Vanya wanted was to be acknowledged and loved by her family? That's not something evil people want.

She never got betrayed by her family she was a walking meat grinder and needed to be dealt with as such
Klaus had way worse shit to go along with his power like being locked in mausoleum full of ghosts all night.
Actually you are the edgy 14 year old or some fat tumblrdyke with daddy issues if you think Hargreeves was in the wrong for how he treated the kids.
You seem like you would have shit flinging tantrums if daddy took your games away and made you do your homework.
Those kids were dangerous freaks and needed to be taught to control their powers or else have them suppressed so they weren't dangerous.

>willingly kill hundreds if not thousands of people because you're lonely
>unknowingly cause the apocalypse

which is worse?

You're also conveniently forgetting that the organization was manipulating things so Vanya would cause the apocalypse. She didn't just do it knowingly off her own back.

>Sister consistently tries to have a loving relationship with her
>She talks shit at every turn and then tries to kill her
So whats a good way to stop her from nuking the whole city when she has her first period or chopping off the other kids heads for calling her names or something?

>he was an assassin those innocent people were Marks that we're capable of changing the time line.
Oh, so because he was a professional assassin that makes it ok? Ironically all he did was help fulfill the organizations will to bring about the apocalypse. Whoops.

>the fact he clings so close to his manikin doll should tell you how much his life was shit.
As opposed to Vanya's rose filled life?

>Born around the world
>Blacks make up 13% of the population
>Only character on there is clearly half white
Amazing user, just amazing.

You're 100% right about her being a confused child. But then she realized she was carrying the biggest stick and reacted like any child without someone around to snatch their little ass up and get them in line. She became a brat with dangerous powers and shutting her down was probably the only immediately viable option. She literally needed someone bigger than her to whoop her ass and give her boundaries but there wasn't anyone around who could do that.

Causing the fucking apocalypse, moron. Being directly responsible for the end of all life on Earth is the worse thing. The apocalypse is the worse one of these two. What's wrong with you? Did you think you had a point?

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>Klaus had way worse shit to go along with his power like being locked in mausoleum full of ghosts all night.
Yeah, what would Vanya know about being locked up all alone....

>she was a walking meat grinder and needed to be dealt with as such
>Actually you are the edgy 14 year old or some fat tumblrdyke with daddy issues if you think Hargreeves was in the wrong for how he treated the kids.
>Those kids were dangerous freaks
Like I said
>you're either autistic or an edgy 14 year old. Seek help.

>Yeah, what would Vanya know about being locked up all alone....
I think the point is that Klaus wasn't alone. He had a hundred grim ghosts screaming at him the entire time.

>Sister consistently tries to have a loving relationship with her
Since when?
>She talks shit at every turn and then tries to kill her
>Mindwipes her and tells her this is family business so she's not invited

>So whats a good way to stop her from nuking the whole city when she has her first period or chopping off the other kids heads for calling her names or something?
Actually treat her like a person and their sister who they supposedly love. You know, the opposite of what their father who they all claim to hate did.

>Yeah it's a writing issue they have her go from distraught and hurt to completely fucking insane all in the span of like 2 scenes.
So...like exactly like the comics. Do they also have the guy turning her completely fucking insane tell her she's still a good person while he's doing it despite her joining a murderous doomsday cult?

Seriously, every fucking complaint I hear about this series is basically "it's like the comics, but not as bad". Every major fucking problem someone has is in the comics and worse.

Other than dipshits bitching about the soundtrack. Fuck those guys anyway, they have shit taste.

>shutting her down was probably the only immediately viable option
I actually agree that until she was old enough to handle it it was the only viable option. The problem is that her siblings who supposedly love her then do the exact same thing despite her now being old enough to handle it with their support.

targeting that coveted stern-looking, christian-hating, hate-crime-hoax-perpetuating audience.

But 5 didn't join them initially to help save the world, he did it to save himself. Ironically 5 directly helped bring about the apocalypse way more than Vanya did.

They have the guy, but no cult. Just one obsessed sociopath.

They're obviously not exactly the same situations but they have a hell of a lot in common which should've made Klaus even more sympathetic towards her.

>So...like exactly like the comics.

>it was badly written in the comics so that means you can't complain about the writing in the tv show
Nigga what? It's almost like they should've fixed the problems.

I suppose you have a better idea than Hargreeves hmm? You would have coddled them and baby talked them until Vayna tossed you out the window cause she got scared by her own fart.
Also this

>Actually treat her like a person and their sister
Man you suck user. She would have killed them all and I hate you for not understanding that.

Fuck this thread I was having fun and you fucking ruined it

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>It's almost like they should've fixed the problems
>let's adapt this story
>but follow none of the elements from the original story because it sucked
The problem with White Violin is on the comic, not on the show.

are you intentionally spouting nonsense to make me mad? because it's working

Ghosts that were only there because of him.
Going by your philosophy, he should have either learned to control it, or man up and deal with it.

>never criticize or analyze the show or you'll ruin it
Nah, We're really getting into the meat of nuture vs. nature question the show raises to the audience. I'll admit the thread could do with a little less absolutism, but hey that's Yea Forums for you.

Exactly he should have manned up dealt with it and learned to control it. I don't know why all these all kids besides Luthor were so bitchmade.

I've got no philosophy. I was just pointing out that Klaus's time locked up was arguably worse than Vanya's because he had to deal with the spirits. Granted, from what we saw Vanya was locked up for a lot more time than Klaus was.

>Oh no, my family is in trouble
>Oh no, my brother is an inexplicable cunt to me even though we'll later find out he actually wants to fuck me.
>So about this plan to kill everyone everywhere? I want in.
>You're so pure White Violin. That's why we needed you
I think there's a interlude where Rumor goes Jean Grey on Space Boy and turns him hot for sister but that's a fairly accurate summary of events from the comic relating to her fall from grace.

The plot is fucking AIDS.

>Entire base of the show is how much they hated the dad for treating them like shit
>The dad was fully in the right guys!
How do retards watch the same show and get so much obviously wrong

The entire basis of the show is their Dad was right about everything and they are just rebellious youths with powers who don't understand shit.
Every retard hates their parents for trying to teach and discipline them.

Well he still sent Luther to do the moon For no damn reason

Did we fucking watch the same show? What the hell is wrong with you, is your IQ sub 80 or are you just pretending to be retarded and miss the point this hard

>I suppose you have a better idea than Hargreeves hmm?
Treat them like people, not machines.
>baby talked them until Vayna tossed you out the window
see

I'm talking about when she was an adult. She didn't want to kill them then, which is why she went to the house after she hurt Allison, she wanted to see if she was ok, beg their forgiveness/understanding and get their help. Instead they tossed her in the cage just like their father, I hate you for not understanding this,

>adapt
Being the operative word. It means they can change things, even core things to be better or different. Which they did, I'd argue the show is leagues better than the comic, especially in regards to Vanya, the problem is that they didn't quite change her stuff enough.

Holy fucking shit. It really does take all kinds I guess.

And what they did stopped that?
Luthor's actions did nothing but make things worse. Even if the cage did hold her, what was the plan? Slow death by dehydration?

Step 1: lock sister in vault
Step 2: make sure siblings don't open vault
Step 3: profit

>Fell in love with her in Juno
>Hated everything she's been in afterwards
>Huge cunt in real life

It hurts anons.

Yeah that's probably the worst thing he did.
Good argument. You missed the whole point of the show retard. They were rebelling against their Dad and the whole world got destroyed because of it.
>*cuts your throat violently when you go to save her from a psycho*
Sorry it was an accident we good right?

>wait until she was old enough to handle it
Kek until when? When she turned 50? She learned as a mature adult and still cut her sisters throat and blew the moon up.

>*cuts your throat violently when you go to save her from a psycho*
Because she was totally in her right frame of mind then.

>Kek until when?
There's no arbitrary number. Maybe as a teen or maybe as an adult.
>She learned as a mature adult and still cut her sisters throat and blew the moon up.
Because the only person """helping""" her through it was a crazy psycho and when she went to her family for help they treated her exactly like their father did.

I do think her going off her meds cold-turkey doesn't get enough attention. Doing that can fuck you up if you've been on them for a year, let alone most of your life.

It was insane change for her. Couple with her learning what happened to her as a kid and that the guy she loves is a crazy killer. She just lashed out because she wasn't in her right frame of mind for a whole host of reasons. When she'd calmed down she went back to her family to see if Allison was ok and to get their help. An inherently evil person wouldn't do that.

Her sister tried to tell her several times the guy was a nut. She pushed her away and then nearly killed her.
Its her fault she was with that guy not her family.
Shes a shit judge of character too anyone could tell that guy was a creep from a like away.

After she murdered a defensless guy. He may have been a creep but he was unarmed and helpless.
If she really cared about reconciling with them she would have stayed put while they figured things out. Instead her evil self came out and she blew the moon up.

>You missed the whole point of the show retard.
No, it's pretty fucking obvious you did

sure would be nice to see it, we saw his powers twice, everything else is just good knife throwing

he was a fucking murderer, and she grew up in a house where children killing bank robbers with tentacles, it's not like they were taught about value of life

It's almost as if he new exactly how to manipulate her. Maybe he had, oh I don't know, detailed notes on her entire life or something.

Thanks agree with this

It is a show about what they do to each others, not Hargreeves. He is a dead ash now. All you Vanyafags want to emphasize him because she has so poor character compared to any other sibling.

You did catch that he was a serial killer and as has been explained many times now she wasn't in her right mind right?
>autistic Yea Forumsmrade identifies and sympathizes more with crazy stalker/killer than with fucked up, confused woman
Well I'm shocked.

Except what they did to her is exactly what Hargreeves did to both her and them.

If Vanya was some other qt actress, everyone in this thread would love her and empathize with her

I'm sure Hargraves designed it in such a way as to allow for the delivery of food and water and the elimination of waste. Probably some sort of secret compartments in the walls or something.

Beyond that, I imagine Luthor intended to figure out a more long-term solution in the following few days, once they'd all had a chance to sleep on it and give it some sober consideration.

But Luther was the only virgin in that scene

diego could be spanish

Klaus is the best boy and should lead an army of the undead like Aragon

Not to get pedantic, but there's a difference between a mass murderer and a serial killer. Not a moral one; they're both about on par with one another in that sense, but a serial killer is someone who essentially commits the same murder over and over again, stalking the same type of victim and carrying out the same act of violence for the sake of fulfilling a broken psychological need, rather than "I'll just shoot anyone that I'm paid to."

I still find it funny, the girl who busy his cherry was a girl high as balls with a furry fetish.

I enjoy visiting here just for the incels whining about wimmen doing stuff.

It would have helped

I don't identify with the creep but she did kill a helpless guy begging for his life.
No its pretty fucking obvious you did. If Klaus wasn't high as shit Hargreeves could have told them everything from the beginning. They all fucked up.

Why is Diego's dancing so fucking good? They could just have a whole episode of him dancing and I'd be enthralled.

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The thing is, Wimmen don't really do shit in this series.

Reginald is an alien right? Or from the future?

His thought processes of what is right and wrong are different to ours

She was made that why by being treated like shit her whole life.

People who grow up being treated poorly turn into bad people

source: this website

>I don't identify with the creep
Suuuuuuuure you don't.

A mass murderer that's been deliberately manipulating her is not "helpless". He literally stood there taunting and insulting her. It was basically suicide by Vanya.

>1 - American
>2 - Mexican
>3 - American
>4 - German
>5 - ????
>6 - Korean or Japanese
>7 - Russian

What's Number Five's ethnicity? Indian?

What's the actors ethnicity?

I've heard in the comics he's #1's brother.

Because he is the limberest fit man there

He's the T.K.

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>Did he want to raise her to be a super villain
That was something that was genuinely going through my head while watching it and he is a massive asshole with a savior complex, however I'm unsure because of that flash back of him on his home world

Gerard Way did have a couple covers in there tho

I just realised that the show would've been much better if it was actually a suprise as to which one of them was going to being about the apocalypse. 5 could've come back knowing it was one of them but not which one.

In the end having it be one you'd least expect via some indirect method.

It would've been much better if Allison shot Vanya in the head. Plot would've stayed the same and they'd travel back too to fix things.. but no..

so you prefer when the robot mom gives them stereotypical names for their races?

these are the only domino masks in comics where i think they shouldn't have had white eyes

No, that would've been stupid and completely contrary to her characterisation as has been pointed out many times in this thread.

aww fuck... AWW FUK!!!

But Starlord is shit. In fiction and in real life. Knowing that Chris Pratt is an open Christian conservative makes me not trust him. I bet he’s real his power level and he actually voted Trump. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he’s actually a shitty guy considering he cheated on the mother of hus son.

How come no one has talked about how Rumor literally could've said "I heard a rumor that you weren't an asshole anymore" to reginald. She could've easily fixed all of their childhoods and erased the memories of the public knowing they have superpowers when Vanya wrote the book.

>Create character
>Give them world breaking power
>Have them never use power
>Take power away
Why even give her that power in the first place?

>Those early costumes

Thank FUCK they didn't use them. Needed White Violin's costume though.

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I mean, she absolutely should have been shot in the head. White Violin was a villain in the comics. She deserved everything that happened to her. She was a spoiled brat having a temper tantrum with enough power to end the world. She intentionally sliced Rumors neck and showed zero remorse. She wasn't supposed to have 10 hour long episodes making her into a sympathetic figure. She was a jealous bitch who acted out the first time she realized that she had powers. I'm really not sure why the series spent so long building up to Vanya having powers and being "the villain." In Apocalypse Suite, we knew she had powers by Issue #2, and knew she was the villain by issue #3. The show ended up misrepresenting White Violin so hard. There's a reason the "heroes" spend the entire of Dallas torturing her despite her being an amnesiac cripple. She deserved it, she was a bad person at heart.

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Klaus was based.

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You say misrepresented, I say made better. In the show she's not just a spoiled inherently evil brat, and her and the story as a whole is all the better for it.

It's mostly just one autist who missed the point of the show that hates her desu

she was the best thing about the show lol, fuk off with your ellen page hate campaign

She was fucking garbage in the comics , what were got was much much better

the comics are very very short, mind you. And wasn't a large part of her bombastic behavior towards the end of Apocalypse Suite because of the Orchestra fucking with her mind? Doesn't help that Diego told her to fuck off after her attempt to connect with them after years accidentally got her in danger. They got her in a vulnerable moment. In Dallas, only Allison explicitly treats her like garbage, but appears to be sympathetic towards her in the end again.

This. Vanyafags are insufferable.

If you want to talk about being alone, 5 was alone for like 30 years eating cockroaches, insted like the year for valya who saw mom and sometime her brother and sisters for like 6 months?

Klaus was OP in the comics

Alien in the comics