>kill off the multiverse because it's 'too confusing'
thirty years later
>make the multiverse the center of multimedia strategy for DC Comics
What changed? Why the wholehearted embrace of something that the industry dropped a nuke on back in the eighties?
Why sell one character when you can self thirty of one character?
In the '80s comics still had a turnover of acquiring a new audience, constantly. Back then it was a standard rule of Big Two comics that "you had to retell the origin every five years, and feature a storyline with every villain at least once every five years" because every kid only read superhero comics for about five years.
Then the turnover stopped.
By the '00s they embraced continuity and overcomplicated multiple realities because it became apparent that their audience was 70% made up of spergs who obsessed over continuity and knew most of this shit anyway.
Different people in charge. Jeanette Kahn who was responsible for CoiE had left DC by then.
The two confusing thing is a myth. Post crisis DC was more confusing than precrisis DC ever was. The real reason to reboot was to make the universe more like Marvel, it was absolutely obliterating them in market share during the 80s.
Because now the only people reading comics are into that kind of multi-versal shit
I heard that if you say ‘Hawksnarl’ to a DC editor from that time, they’ll start crying.
The internet makes it a lot easier to keep track of continuity than back during the '80s.
I'm convinced that the main justification to compositing the multiverse in Crisis was to clear up the 30 years of Silver Age continuity into somethinv that worked better with the increasingly Marvel style continuity, that DC was adopting through the 70s.
Pretty much, Silver Age got fucking retarded (as fun as it was) and this was an excuse to handwave anything from that that was too dumb.
I believe it. Off the top of my head, there’s Donna Troy, Hawkman/woman, Superboy and Supergirl, and even Superman who has three different post crisis origin stories for, 4 if you count Superbro
And Martian Manhunter, who's origin literally changes every time he gets a mini or solo. And sometimes in JL books!
Right.
They even ended up making a lot of the pre-crisis stuff canon post-crisis anyways so.. what else can be said
I still have no idea what Donna Troy’s actual origin is. None whatsoever. I just know that she’s one of the only people that sticks by Dick no matter what.
right now it's happening again both in his own book AND IN JL!
It’s like a fucking Ambush Bug joke in the making.
Her current origin is that she's a clay statue given life (Wonder Woman's old backstory since they're still sticking to the daughter of Zeus one), made to fight Wonder Woman if she ever goes rogue.
Lets see how long that lasts.
>AND IN JL
Oh boy, what did Snyder do?
It is true and yet people still complain
Dude cause of shit like
Wait, but around that time was when DC killed their continuity ro reboot.
>I still have no idea what Donna Troy’s actual origin is
Silver Age Wonder Woman used to have trippy time travel adventures with herself as a teen and a baby, and her mom.
DC Editors weren't paying attention and someone decided to use "Wonder Woman's infrequently used sidekick from those goofy covers" in a teen team with the other sidekicks of Aquaman, Batman, Flash and Green Arrow.
Eventually someone caught on to the fact that "Wonder Girl" didn't really exist, so they created Donna Troy, a girl adopted by the Amazons as Diana's friend. But after Crisis, Wonder Woman kept getting new origins with every creative team, which fucked up Donna every time.
DC has never properly rebooted
Martian Manhunter was abducted as a child from Mars by Lex Luthor's dad and experimented on. He and kid Lex befriend each other until Vandal Savage mindwipes everyone. Snyder doesn't really know how sentences work so as he tells this story he replaces every fourth word with "Doom"
>Martian Manhunter was abducted as a child from Mars by Lex Luthor's dad and experimented on. He and kid Lex befriend each other until Vandal Savage mindwipes everyone.
What the fuck?
Final Crisis tried to do a soft reset that was meant to just clean some things up, but instead they decided to reset the entire DCU, with the exception of the Green Lantern and Batman books. Absolutely brilliant.
CoIE was to solve the problem that there were multiple continuities, and they fixed it by *making* the Multiverse. It would be like if our current multiverse was all the exact same Earth but just a little bit different; it wasnt like our current multiverse which can actually be used for stories.
Also
Bill Maher was right.
>What changed?
It's as simple as thinking comic book readers were simplistic and couldn't understand things like the multiverse or time travel.
However, after years of far more popular culture, on both film and tv (and even books) like Terminator, Harry Potter and more, it's perfectly fine to go there - so they should, and have.
>what changed
"Alternate universes" is a great way to use designs and origins that don't involve paying out royalties that were negotiated thirty years ago.
>Martian Manhunter was abducted as a child from Mars by Lex Luthor's dad and experimented on
You fucking what mate?
Wasn’t Flashpoint that started the new52? Final Crisis was Grant Morrison thing and he doesn’t care about continuity.
>and he doesn’t care about continuity.
Or he cares more than anyone depending on how you look at it
what's confusing about this? yeah it's weird martians and humans apparently age at the same rate but whatever
They actually specify in the comic that kid J'onn was pulled through space AND time, so he most likely taken from Mars several centuries prior to the incident, so the factoid of Martians aging slower than humans remains consistent.
It's not confusing. It's just laughable
It was originally not supposed to be a reboot. Some like Superman and WW had a complete reboot, while Batman, Flash, GL didn't reboot at all.
It's Snyder, what do you expect?
>The real reason to reboot was to make the universe more like Marvel
What do you mean?
>Morrison
>not caring about continuity
I know this is bait, but on the off chance you're being serious here is your (You)
Final Crisis' ending was originally intended as a sort of reset/clean up vehicle. They didn't do that, only to do Flashpoint a bit later.
I don't believe you.
>What changed?
Thirty years.
>Why the wholehearted embrace of something that the industry dropped a nuke on back in the eighties?
Because everything -Comics, Movies, TV shows, music- comes in cycles.
comics has become more averse to change in general, especially after the early 90s. that guy with the fantastic four blog has said similar. almost any serious change gets undone somehow, and in increasingly convoluted ways.
Not changing the FF is most of the aggravating things about the book.
DC should should just have each characters be soft-canon to each other honestly. No one wants their favorite characters' runs fucked up because DC needs to reboot or retcon some other characters bullshit
>DC should should just have each characters be soft-canon to each other honestly
That's no less confusing.
There's like 5 and they're all equally valid.
Wasn't Lex's dad unremarkable, intellect wise?
The same story also says Vandal Savage turned Lex's dad into a moron as a form of punishment. The whole thing is super convoluted retcon mess for a completely shitty story that Snyder's plotted for Justice League. I can't believe people are actively praising the book.
But it's just like my anime with giant robots, exploding planets and stuff!
>Vandal Savage mindwipes everyone
That's not just a mindwipe, that's a complete restructuring of their memories and histories.
He went from being as smart as Lex is today to an alcoholic in Smallville, Kansas and no one noticed?
Did Vandal rewrite their tax history and their school records as well?
Yes.
why do you think Damian is a rape baby? Morrison got high and forgot a lot of comics
Marvel back then only had the one universe. C'mon.
It didn't go away for 30 years, it went away for 20. And in the meantime there was shit like hypertime and Elseworlds.
>X-Men
>Teen Titans
I think that isnt completly true what you wrote.
You're thinking of Infinite Crisis that was the soft reset.
Infinite Crisis was how the Multiverse was brought back, Final Crisis was supposed to be how the Multiverse was reintegrated into the DCU. Editorial changed course before Final Crisis was published.