Star Wars The Clone Wars

Man Anakin went from clones are bros to pop your neck for a reasonable fuck up in like what a month

Is there a comprehensive list of all named clones and their known fates?

Apart from Not being able to stun him in the first place

Plus Fives had a death warrant, he commited a Capital Crime by trying to assassinate sheev, its a miracle Fox allowed him the chance to stand down

nigga he had a gun and who knows what else he could have set up, he had hostages too and Fox told him to fucking stand down.
yeah also fuck the author because that entire comic doesn't fucking make sense, you see guards standing at attention in wait for Vader before he goes in, there's no way that most of the clones didn't notice he was probably on their side regardless of what weapon he wields.

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>It is also seen to stun, which indicates the DC-17 has two specific variants or needs retooling completely to shoot stun blasts

There's no reason for it to need to be retooled when most other blasters have it as a simple setting.

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And on those blasters (e.g DC-15a) you see the switch clearly shown and used on the gun itself

The DC-17 carries no such switch

Additionally Most troopers will be in active combat roles

he cute

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he's a big guy too

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Kill Jedi niggers

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It occurs to me, could he have changed his mind about the clones because Rex Betrayed him?

I mean Rex was his 2nd in command and a good friend so his betrayal would have stung a lot and shaken his trust in the clones and would even explain why he chose to kill a bunch of them rather then use his fucking security codes in a previous issue.

also commander fox was the one that wouldn't let him see ashoka so I can see why he'd hold a grudge. still fuck vader he's an asshole

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This. Vader's treatment of the clones was stupid and make no sense.

Why would he care about that? Ahsoka is nothing to him anymore.

It’s more like he changed his mind about the clones because he wasn’t Anakin any more, he became Darth Vader. Having any emotional attachment to anything is something Anakin would do. However, he does commend clones and stormtroopers who exceed his expectations, like Crest.

He offered to show her mercy before they fought, an offer he never extended to any other jedi survivor, even as a gambit.

Did he? I remember Filoni stating that Vader had no feeling for her and wanted to kill her because she reminded him of his past.

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Are you kidding? Anakin has been waiting for an excuse to murder Fox since he arrested Ahsoka. You don't just separate a man from his orange buttcheeks, that's not cool Fox.

This felt very mean spirited and undeserving of a clone who was just doing his job and didn't even seem like that much of a prick. Poor guy.

Writers don't know what do with Vader. They sometimes make him super conflicted and other times he is just a mindless machine who kill anyone he lays his sight on for no reason.

Let us not overstate things. The clones saw a shadowy figure high above them with a lightsaber and reacted. This is post Order-66, their programming is very specific about what to do regarding Jedi and apparently red blades wasn't a distinction in their conditioning chip. Sparring Anakin was, but Anakin is gone. There is only Vader now.

Fox may have been innocent of actual wrongdoing, this may just be the kind of confusion and misjudgment that happens in the field. That wasn't going to save his neck either. Also what's all this, "But Ani wouldn't harm the his best bro clones!" nonsense. This is VADER. Not the EU version who still respected his boys in the 501st either. A true Sith doesn't have any more room for sentimentality than they do for mercy. They aren't about care or concern, they're about fear, anger, hate. These are the things that keep Vader going. If he has any shadow of a better person within him capable of caring for his clones this flies in the face of what Luke accomplished by finally reaching the good within Anakin.

Hell, if anything every single clone is just a reminder of everything he fought for and lost. They're a source of his hate and rage. Not to mention after the chip activated they aren't even themselves anymore. They don't remember any of the past the same way. No heroic adventures alongside their Jedi Generals. Probably for the best because that would make them worse reminders.

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based vader

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>Sparring Anakin was
Wasn't this pretty risky from Palpatine to do? Who say for sure Anakin would fall and pledge himself to him?

>A true Sith doesn't have any more room for sentimentality than they do for mercy
Vader wasn't a true sith or he would have killed his master a long time ago.

Assuming they can read Jocasta's surprise they'd be able to guess that the figure on the wall was responsible for hurling those clones to their deaths. They must have realized the danger behind them since they even looked up. A "description" in this case was unlikely to help. But look on the bright side. If he didn't die here he would have surely been with Vader when Jocasta revealed he was Anakin thus forcing Vader to kill him along with the other clones anyway to keep the truth of his identity. Fox was a dead man no matter what.

I'm pretty sure Palpatine figured if Anakin didn't turn he'd kill the boy. Ironically though if Anakin hadn't turned and betrayed Windu this indeed might have been the end for old Papa Palpatine.

Settle down there, Lord Momin. You make certain you gain the proper knowledge first. It's only when they are of no more use, or they're too weak, that you murder them.

>tfw Fox fucked up a chance for galactic peace

>this flies in the face of what Luke accomplished by finally reaching the good within Anakin
Luke was able to acomplish that because he mean more to Anakin than anyone else because he is his son. It's also because Luke still loved and believed in him despite everything he learned about him which unlike Obi-Wan and Ahsoka who quickly give up on him.

He said that years before the episode of Rebels when they fought.

Vader saying "We need not be adversaries, the Emperor will show you mercy." is far more than he ever offered to anyone else (before Luke anyway), so he still had a lingering attachment to her.

Honsetly, he was a lousy sith and jedi and I think this was ths point because they both suck anyway.

Freaking filoni. He really can't help himself when Ahsoka is concerned .

Actually the first crack in Vader's armor is in ESB when Luke reacts with abject horror at the truth, to the point of willingly hurling himself down a shaft to his probable demise. Later when he calls out to Luke again he gets shut down. Cue the Falcon jumping, which Piett had just told Vader couldn't happen because the ship had been sabotaged. Normally this would get him a shallow grave next to Captain Needa and yet Vader...just walks away. The look on Piett's face when Vader just strolls past is the expression of a man in dire need of a clean pair of pants. Yet this uncharacteristic lack of reaction from Vader is a clear indicator of how badly he's been wounded by this exchange. This is the moment when Anakin starts to stir within Vader, not for an act of mercy for Piett's sake but the realization that the rejection casts doubt on everything he's become as Vader. It won't be a quick process for him and it Anakin still won't fully return until the Emperor has nearly killed Luke.

No clone, no long lost master and friend, no padawan regardless of how orange her buttcheeks are could do this.

That isn't true just from the issue of Vader 2017 posted here. He offered Jocasta Nu mercy, even saved her life repeatedly. Now he did that because the Emperor wanted her for the knowledge she possessed, and especially that list of Force sensitives throughout the galaxy, but he still did it. We don't know if there are any standing orders regarding Ahsoka, however he did mention the apprentice lived. At most the only worth I can imagine from her is using her connection to Anakin to break her and learn everything she knows about the rebel cells and any other possible Jedi survivors. At this point the trail for Jedi had gone rather cold so I can imagine an interest in picking the trail up from her and finish what they started with Order 66.

All speculation but within the realm of possibility. A longer shot would be him sensing her future connection to the wacky world between worlds he became eager to get his hands on. Ironically she only connected with that place because she and Vader fought.

I would say the first crack was him learning about the existence of his son which is why Luke was able to sense the conflict within him when he met him.

Luke rejecting him first time made him tired of everything because it hurt him more than anything else which is why he looked so old in ROTJ. It was Luke returning to his side offering him love, forgiveness and rejecting the dark side, but not his father what made Anakin finally return and break his chains.

I disagree, though when he learns the truth there is some lovely imagery of his reaction within the Force breaking a nearby viewport. The problem is Vader parses the knowledge as a Sith Lord. What does having a son mean? It means having a tool, a powerful weapon he can use against the Emperor to claim the galaxy. He flat out says "It will all be mine."

This is the spirit in which he approaches Luke in Cloud City, attempting to recruit his son and rule together. It was Luke's rejection, and more so both his horror and his willingness to (nearly) destroy himself, that got through to Vader. It makes no sense that after he learned about Luke he'd start to return as Anakin but still be this absolute monster. Sparing Piett, however, is the first major change we've seen in Vader's character compared to every other Imperial leader in ESB who failed Vader. Still he didn't spare Piett because he's learned better, he spared him because he needs to go home and rethink his life.

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How else would you explain Luke sensing conflict in him in their first meeting, then?

Anakin was the one who fathered Luke, not Vader so him becoming obessed with finding his own son was already a sign of the first crack.

He sensed conflict in Vader when Vader was stabbing Obi-Wan? Or when Vader was about to shoot his X-Wing from behind?

Don't play coy. You know exactly what I meant.

Or in murdering escaping prisoners with Luke's lightsaber after ANH, one of a few meetings they had in the comics. They also met in space combat during Vader Down.

I suspect you are referring to Luke mentioning feeling the good within Vader when talking to Obi-Wan on Dagobah after Yoda passed away. Of course this would have been after ESB and Luke had never shown any previous indications of considering Vader having any goodness up to ROTJ, which does suggest it was after ESB is when Vader begins to change enough for Luke to sense. You see it wasn't "in their first meeting" when Luke sensed Vader's goodness, it was only afterward, after he rejected Vader. This rather supports the argument that this is the moment Vader changed. The two did form a connection after this event which is why Luke and Vader could sense each other when the Emperor himself wasn't aware of Luke's presence at Endor.

>The two did form a connection after this event which is why Luke and Vader could sense each other when the Emperor himself wasn't aware of Luke's presence at Endor.

You know who can foster these kinds of long distance connections between people? Snoke. Imagine if it was revealed Snoke was watching galactic events and formed the connection between father and son so that Vader would turn on Sidious, ending the primary threat to Snoke's own plans. The galaxy is left weakened and Snoke himself claims the remains of the Empire, making it his own First Order. Snoke, a greater threat to the galaxy than the Emperor himself, who was the true reason Sidious fell. God, imagine the butthurt.

First, I don't care what Marvel or EU say. IN THE MOVIES, Vader and Luke face to face meeting was in ESB. In ANH, Vader hardly noticed Luke.

Second,
>Vader begins to change enough for Luke to sense
How would he sense the change? And are you seriously trying to imply that Vader suddnly stopped killing after ESB?

Also, if Luke truly was sensing the change, he would have said "I sense change in my father" instead of saying "I sensed conflict". So, this is really just your headcanon.

Vader certainly noticed Luke. "The Force is strong with this one." It was formed his obsession with finding who destroyed the Death Star. Also worth noting, IN THE MOVIES, as you so eloquently all-capsed, the Emperor doesn't show any signs of doubting Vader until ROTJ, suggesting any significant change was after the events of ESB.

> And are you seriously trying to imply that Vader suddnly stopped killing after ESB?

Also if you, again, go by IN THE MOVIES then yes, after ESB when Vader spares Piett he never kills anyone else that we saw. Hell, when talking to Jerjerrod about the DSII being behind deadlines he relies not on his own threats but rather on the threat of the Emperor arriving. This is indeed rather odd for Vader who previously had no problems throttling a man with the Force just over his lack of faith.

Going by your own IN THE MOVIES rules we cannot speculate on what Vader did in the time between ESB and ROTJ without going into nu canon or EU, so we're rather stuck with IN THE MOVIES.

>How would he sense the change?
Because they have a connection. It's in the movies.

>he would have said "I sense change in my father" instead of saying "I sensed conflict"
First off that isn't what Luke told Obi-Wan. Second, why would he need to do that? That'd be weird. Why would pointing out that the conflict is new or old matter, it's pointing out that there is conflict at all that is important. You act as if saying you sense conflict in any way negates that this could be a change, which is odd because it has to be a change. Never before has he shown any sign of seeing Vader as anything other than an absolute monster.

>the Emperor doesn't show any signs of doubting Vader until ROTJ
When did the emperor showed any doubt in Vader?

And there's no way Vader spent entire year not killing anyone without having Palpatine sensing something because we already know from Lucas himself that he didn't suspect him. I don't need the EU to tell me that because the movies were clear enough.

>When did the emperor showed any doubt in Vader?
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>I don't need the EU to tell me that because the movies were clear enough.
And yet the movies don't give you that. In fact they show Vader going out of his way to not killing people he otherwise would have killed for their failures. Oh I don't doubt Vader was up to shenanigans, but if you want to imagine anything beyond the movies that's just your headcanon, man. It's certainly not going to help your argument any. Why should I care about your headcanon any more than the EU or Disney Wars?

>And yet the movies don't give you that. In fact they show Vader going out of his way to not killing people he otherwise would have killed for their failures.
Okay, hold the fuck up. The guy he was talking to at the start of RotJ was respectful, didn't insult the force, or arrogantly remind Vader of his own failures like the assclown in ANH or fuck up and got a bunch of guys killed and oh yeah, lost track of the Millenium Falcon like Mr "I will apologize to Lord Vader" from ESB.
They were behind schedule, icing the guy would have put them even further behind schedule, so Vader holds off on choking.

Is this video supposed to show the emperor sensing the change? Is this the best you can get? Because thinking that Vader's judgement about his son is clouded is hardly = sudden change because Vader begged the emperor to spare his son which was already a sign of the crack in ESB. Not something only happened after Luke rejection like you claimed.

Who said anything about killing Jerjerrod? Vader was there to get them back on schedule, but his efforts seemed far lacking from his usual self. He didn't even choke the guy a little, or threaten summary execution for any worker falling behind their schedule. Instead he relies more on the Emperor as a threat than on his own personal power and menace, which frankly is a rather un-Sithlike thing to do. They're supposed to be about their own power more than, "My daddy can beat up your daddy!"

The Emperor didn't say judgement. He said FEELINGS. That is a very key distinction for beings whose feelings are key to their connection to the Force.

Also where the hell are you getting Vader begging the Emperor to spare his son?

-------> >Luke rejecting him first time made him tired of everything because it hurt him more than anything else which is why he looked so old in ROTJ.

Maybe user means
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although it doesn't really feel like begging to me. Conniving perhaps, a degree of guile that fits with Vader's later claims that he and Luke can destroy the Emperor and rule together. He wouldn't be sparing his son to spare his son, he would be sparing a potential asset for his own use rather than something to share with the Emperor.

Why does that mean Jerjerrod must die?

>He wouldn't be sparing his son to spare his son
He was because if it was simply him wanting to use him as "assist", Luke rejection wouldn't have hurt him.

And yet it clearly did. Luke rejected the Sith but also Vader, completely, in undisguised disgust and horror. A rejection so thorough that Luke would rather risk destroying himself. This moment is clear when we see Vader's behavior begin to change, and how different he is in ROTJ. It's all, indeed, IN THE MOVIES. If Vader always had this goodness in him since learning that he had a son he certainly had a very strange way of showing it, and even then he doesn't change his behavior shown in ESB until Luke's rejection.

Come on, ladies, you can both have your certain points of view. We don't all have to agree about nuances in space fiction laser samurai adventures.

>And yet it clearly did
Ok? We are at least on the same page here even when I didn't say otherwise about this matter from the beginning.

And when did .

> If Vader always had this goodness in him since learning that he had a son he certainly had a very strange way of showing it
Well, duh. Did you expect a guy who spent two decades being emotionless machine to suddenly become a doting father who the goodness in him is very easy to see now?

And I never claimed that Vader suddnly changed after learning about his son. I said it was THE FIRST CRACK because Luke is ANAKIN'S SON, not Vader so claiming him as his own was already a sign of Anakin very slowly emerging.

Vader was never an emotionless machine. Not even Obi-Wan went that far. He merely said he was more machine now than man.

Vader was practically looking for an excuse to kill him. Wolfe wasn't "just some clone", he put Anakin and orange through some bullshit.

>Wolffe
You mean Fox?

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