THE GREAT DEBATE

Which billionaire playboy who has learned the error of his ways and become a superhero to right his wrongs, leads his world's mightiest heroes, married his cute assistant, has a black bro who often fills in for him and a superhero best friend he often clashes with but cares about deep down sacrificing himself to stop an intergalactic tyrant hellbent on mass destruction in order, preventing the deaths of his fellow heroes and probably leaving his wife pregnant will hit you the hardest in 2019?

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Who's the guy on the left? Should I know him?

>sacrificing himself to stop an intergalactic tyrant hellbent on mass destruction
Okay, I stopped watching the DC shows about two seasons ago.
Just how retarded did Arrow get?

Remember how in season 1 the most unrealistic, comic-booky thing was an earthquake machine, and they turned Amazo the android into a fucking boat?

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Is he the boyfriend character from the Hunger Games?

Batman

It's not just ARROW. The whole universe is going all out.

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>they turned Amazo the android into a fucking boat?

Funny how things turn out.

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Oh hey he looks marginally better that Red Tornado
They really made some progress

I refuse to care about tv show universes in general, on the basis of being hurt too many times before, so right.

With movies, there's always this expectation that a series of movies isn't overlapping unless explicitly said, while with tv the newest thing automatically retcons the older.

>Moffat pretty much retconned 4 seasons of a far better run of Doctor Who by the time he was done
>Rebels downplays lore elements from TCW, and make the achievements done there seem less impressive
>Buffy the Vampire Slayer spin offs tried to make a lore from half the people who died in season 1 Looking at you Angel, while Buffy itself ignores season 1 as much as it can
>Everything about the X files that isn't a monster of the week episode at this point
>Marvel realised this and pretty much refuses to make Agents of Shield canon for this very reason
>I'm not even getting into the clusterfuck that are the Avatar spin offs at this point, and I'm of the opinion that the Wan episodes are an actual okay example of retconning; an intriguing expansion of a known explanation

I liked stuff like Sonic Boom because while disturbingly that universe has a lore, they only ever make amusing references to it, and don't make a subplot about how Knuckles is the last sane member of his race, which begs the question of where the hell did he come from