Other than TCW Season 7, is there anyway for Star Wars to recover as a franchise?

>All this doom and gloom about Star Wars is just youtuber hype to get views, it's retarded.
It's overblown but not completely out of place

Damn... that's rough. But I guess that's life when a broken ass game gets pushed out.

I think the general "movie a year" idea was a huge misstep, but not one that they can't correct easily. Fuck, they made back their entire investment by this point, even if they did "tank" the franchise, they could bring it back in a few years with no worries.

They just need to get focus. People WANT to be more engaged with the new characters, so the spinoffs feel more like distractions.

No. Not at all.

The movies have been shit since the 1980s, all the characters that anyone cares about are dead, and the amazing special effects that made Star Wars so iconic are now commonplace, to the point that the GOTG movies have better visuals than the new Star Wars movies.

It's time that this undying shitheap of a franchise was put out to pasture.

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Spin Off movies should mostly be new characters only, or re-introductions of EU/Legends characters. Keep the stories self contained so they don't contradict current lore, but make it easy for these characters to show up in other movies/media. Involve legacy characters as little as possible to not seem like pandering trash.

Main Trilogy movies should be free of cynical movie makers and scriptwriters like Rian Johnson. We aren't paying you $13+ a ticket so you can talk about how stupid the idea of laser swords are, we came for a space drama. Yes we have a sense of humor, NO, the main trilogy movies is not the place for it. This is primetime, bitches. This is A game only. This is "we are taking our story about space magic and laser swords 100% serious" time. The fanbase can make fun of itself on it's own time, but not on our dime. Deliver unto us good films, we'll fill in the gaps.

SJW nonsense HAS to end. Star Wars was always diverse, always had good female characters, and the fanbase did just fine without SJW/Marxism for over 40 years. I don't even care if someone calls me a bigot/nazi/racist whatever, don't give a shit. Just stop with the agenda. The only agenda should be meritocracy and excellence.

Toys: Get rid of Black Series. Get rid of current Hasbro 3.5 line, and combine the two into one line of medium grade figures, instead of a low end and a high end. This well help keep the figures worth collecting, and the shelf bloat at a minimum.

Video Games: Others already have said it; give the license to multiple companies and not just one.

These are just ideas to get the franchise back on track, and in no way the only fixes that'll be needed. But these are some good ways to get things back on the rails.

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Trek hasn't recovered after the Abrams bad touch, so why would Wars?

It hasn't just suffered a few bad movies, the entire driving philosophy has changed. Johnson and Abrams weren't accidental, they are what Disney sees as the future of the series. They don't care about the story or any kind of creative vision, it's all about constant noise and motion to keep a very young audience looking at the screen.

>Video Games: Others already have said it; give the license to multiple companies and not just one.
Unfortunately Disney is "happy" with EA's performance

>There are faggots who grew up on the prequels and LOVE THAT SHIT. Objective, retarded trash, for three films, and a generation eats it up.
The Prequels didn't offend people like the the sequel movies have. Let down people with not living up to their imaginations of what Anakins fall to Vader was like? Yes. But, Luke, Han, and Leia canonically ending up complete and utter failures in every aspect pisses off people a lot more on a whole another level.

Having the sidestory films tie closer in wouldn't help anything.

I don't care whether the characters lives worked out. I'm pissed that the sequels have been nothing but special effect porn with no substance. They aren't just bad Star Wars movies, they are bad movies period. There are television sitcoms with better plot progression.

>The Prequels didn't offend people like the the sequel movies have.
It's funny how people say that these days. The prequels were jokes for YEARS. It was a pop culture thing to make fun of the prequels once

Disney is just happy they don't have to lore liaison with more than one company, aka laziness.

Yeah but for a while prequels being bad wasn't a thing or atleast wasn't a strongly vocal thing. I think it wasn't until clone wars is when you really started to see popular opinion turn

I think it's a difference of intent.

The Prequels were George's honest attempt at trying to make something great, but he simply failed at it spectacularly. It was an honest Fail.

TLJ/Johnson had no intention at all of delivering a good Star Wars film, so he made it "subversive" instead. He set out for failure from the get go.

You mostly just had a hand full of critics that thought they were going to be early adopters of a hatred bandwagon. They had their regular parrots to repeat them, but most older fans were very happy with the more mature theme of the prequels. Critics have never had any sense of serenity about their opinions at any stage in time.

Your points are completely valid. It's amazing how disney has managed to bungle Star wars so completely on different levels and have large diverse portions of the fandom pissed of for them for different reasons, with no clear recovery method.

The sequels have really put things into perspective.

Make animated adaptions of the EU! Like the Thawn Trilogy done by Genndy!

No. You can’t. It is dead. TFA and TLJ killed it.

The best thing you can do is just let it stay dead.

But I want to see Kylo Ren be superhumiliated for a last time and then killed in the finale of the new trilogy.

They will probably pull some shit like his own troops turn against him, so he concedes to switch sides to the Resistance, and they just let him like it is the natural thing to do.

Well, I'm sure that the original idea was for Leia and that other chick whose name I fogot to turn Kylo Ren back to the good side by forgiving him and all that crap, but fortunately, Carrie Fisher died from drug overdosing, so that plan is now dead along with her.

They made an unwinnable situation. The last movie ended with Rey being obsessed with turning Kylo Ren back, to the point that she will murder a thousand of his henchmen if that's what it takes. At the same time, Kylo Ren's family is dead and he got everything he wanted in the universe while feeling no guilt about the billions of people he killed with planet destroying. Baring Kylo Ren just getting bored, there is no believable reason for him to turn back, and since we've already seen Rey kick his ass in two other movies, there is no way to imagine she won't just kick his ass again except that she'd rather get into his pants.

Exactly. Kylo Ren should just die. There's nothing wrong with bad guys being killed. Not everyone can and needs to be saved. You can't always just blame other evil people or the DARK SIDE for all the evil you're doing. At some point, ya just gotta accept that somebody is a rotten fruit. They gave Kylo Ren the chance, he totally refused it to turn back, he totally and willingly killed his own pa, he was thinking about killing his own ma, he totally wanted to kill his own uncle, and he's totally willing to kill trillions to be supreme leader over everything, so now he gotta pay the consequences.
Unlike his grampa who did at first fight for the good side and then later became evil and all that stuff, Kylo Ren was disturbed, crazy, full of DARK SIDE, joined the bad guys from the beginning, killed the supreme leader bad guy, and now wants to continue being the supreme leader bad guy himself.
He can be pitied, but at the end, he needs to face ultimate sanctions.

Well, I am interested in seeing how the last episode will turn out. I fully expect J. J. Abrams to make more mystery box bullshit which is just code for
>I have no clue at all

But I want to see closure.

TFA didn't kill anything. Star Wars brand was through the roof when it came out. TLJ on the other hand...

All Abrams knows how to do is throw in large stakes. An even bigger planet killer is practically a certainty. He doesn't do gradual solutions, so expect the enemy to open some screen door late in the film that lets a misfit hero push the "win" button. He did that in his last Wars movie and both of his Trek movie, so there is no reason to think he will stop now. All he knows about writing relationships is to have two attractive characters meet and immediately feel the need to pork, so I don't expect anything deeper than that, if there is anything of romance at all in the movie. The rest of the movie will be noise and filler, letting Kylo Ren throw tantrums that kill gads of faceless victims that we never got to know.

Continue the Legend continuity.

Why did the Hollywood big wigs even consider Abrams in the first place anyway? He doesn't even seem to be a good director.

He did that cloverfield kaijuu movie where everything was shakeycams, right? And that TV series LOST where nothing was ever explained, I believe.

The prequels were full of places and characters/ideas that kids ate up like it was a controlled substance. It had armies of robots, kung-fu lightsaber fights, guys like Darth Maul, podraces etc. It also legitimately tried to have an original and coherent plot. Even though Lucas botched the execution, there was still more than enough material to spawn over a decade of massively successful spinoffs, games, and cartoons. None of that exists with the sequels. There's no potential in yellow she-yoda and casino planet.

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His alliterative initials make him marketable. Just the fact that people can remember his name, makes him a person they want.

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So, lesson to be learned, to make it big in Hollywood, get yourself some kind of awesome artist name.

It may be the only real requirement.

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I want to see Ahsoka and Sabine's space buddy cop adventures.

Meh, I'd rather not see Ahsoka anymore. Filoni totally ruined her by letting her be saved through dumb time travel shit.

The last season of Rebels was really just terrible. And really cheap. It's clear that Filoni can't do anything good if he doesn't get a million dollar per episode budget like under Lucas.

No they really burned through the goodwill with TLJ and fucked up bad with solo I just ignore the Disney stuff as it’s own crazy continuity perpetuated by dumbass mostly

Ragtag animated series or completed game.

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Trek is pretty rough and dead honestly

Yeah but they didn’t ruin the OT like the ST is doing

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Everything's kinda rough and dead.
But that's perhaps a good thing. Means that there's now a chance for something new to be born and become a hit for a short while.
On the other hand, the current superzombiefranchises are the superhero universes that have replaced the superscifi settings, so I am probably wrong about that.

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It’s actually kinda amazing how many studios keep killing their moneymakers and nostalgic franchises through poor decisions and shitty directors/writers trek is practically dead with the tv show being universally panned while the Orville is a better Star Trek, Disney Star Wars has done bad enough for iger to get annoyed and all Disney seems to really like is live action remakes

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Yes, let Rian Johnson direct every Star Wars movie.

I unironically liked Rian Johnson's The Last Jedi more than J. J. Abram's The Force Awakens.

I understand why people don't like Rian but I think he made a far more interesting movie than JJ did and I think a considerable part of the reason it was so stunted and poorly paced was that he was trying to make a fresh sequel to a movie that only served to establish a status quo.

There was nothing fresh, it was just constant noises and endless reversals. It was the cinematic equivalent of jingling car keys.

You say this but people literally bitched that Episode 1 did exactly this. "George Lucas raped my childhood" comes from a review for the movie and there's a reason it caught on as a meme that's lasted for 20 years.

I get that Star Wars isn't in the best shape right now, but I don't get this bizarre revisionist history people are pushing where everyone loved the prequels, nobody complained about them, people didn't swear off Star Wars because of them, etc. What's even stranger is that despite TFA doing the bulk of the damage to the era, people didn't start loudly complaining about it until TLJ, to the point of blaming TLJ for things TFA did, or stranger still blaming Solo for things in the ST.

>He doesn't even seem to be a good director.
He isn't, he's a low-grade Spielberg knockoff but his movies have made bank. His Trek reboot being successful was a big part of the reason he was sought after for Star Wars.

I mean, if that's the case, then the force awakens was the cinematic equivalent of playing peek-a-boo with a baby.

No arguments. They let an old man and a walking rug into an unguarded back door of their ultimate super weapon so they could easily blow it up with bombs they just happened to already have without needing to plan in any way.

Then the retard generation of kids that LOVED IT grew up, and they watch youtube now. They give clicks to other idiots who loved it, and it's a whole culture of cancer in the SW community that now think the prequels were "underrated"

Are you fucking for real? Anakin being JESUS, the Jedi being a terrible cult and Anakin's fall being sloppy as shit ruined a lot about the OT. The OT made LESS SENSE after the prequels, from core concepts to little details like Leia remembering their mom.

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Well, yeah. TLJ has some pacing issues, but TFA was just a soft reboot. I didn't just want a remake of the OT, so I was happy they went a different direction. I hope J. J. doesn't just reel it back to too much mindless fanservice.

Because the writing is ass and the characters are all terrible. Are you really going to tell me Holdo and Rose are good?

Sure, if you measure box office. But TFA was the one that reversed every positive outcome from ROTJ for the sake of reverting the galaxy into another Rebels vs Empire scenario. At the time people didn't care because it gave the mass audience what it wanted: space ships, Han and Chewie, and no prequel references.

By the time of TLJ, a lot of the hype had worn off and people had started to see that TFA was an empty idol. The sequel doing nothing interesting with what TFA had set up highlighted the bigger problem: TFA didn't actually set anything up. That brings us to this:

>What's even stranger is that despite TFA doing the bulk of the damage to the era, people didn't start loudly complaining about it until TLJ, to the point of blaming TLJ for things TFA did
TLJ had everything stacked against it. Let's assume for a moment that we had gotten a better writer/director. TLJ would need to not only continue a story that had left no clear openings for continuation and left not clear paths for its story threads, it would also have to deal with the fact that TFA had set up a very dull universe. There's little there that wasn't just lifted from the OT and little to really follow up on that didn't involve creating new story threads out of whole cloth because there was nothing to work with. People had started to see this before TLJ and people hoped that even if TFA was a shaky foundation to build a trilogy from, the sequel might be able to salvage it and build something better off of it.

That obviously didn't happen. TLJ gets all of the hate because it's the one that made them realize what an empty cipher the ST is. TFA gave them some fun moments but provided nothing of substance, TLJ provided neither so it gets the full blame even though a majority of its problems can be traced in some way or another to TFA.

On top of that, after Phasma lowers the shields nobody, literally NOBODY anywhere in Starkiller Base notices this. None of the console jockeys, none of the commanders, nobody was paying enough attention to notice their fucking shield was down.

Then a bunch of X-Wings show up and they're started and only THEN do they realize someone had lowered their shield. Significant portions of the movie only work because everyone involved is an idiot.

Nothing can save Star Wars, it has been swallowed by the SJW machine and will now exist solely to humiliate white males and promote only Strong Indpendent Womyn Who Don't Need No Man and Proud People of Color

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The crazy thing about TLJ is that the most interesting idea they bring up is that the entire cycle of wars is just to fuel an industry selling to both sides. But how can the series ever confront that without ending all the Star Wars? If they ever did destroy the military industrial complex, "wars" would probably be reduced to a few light skirmishes between planets.

They should make a strategy game for Episode 9 that is just both sides trying to raise funds and allocate supplies faster for the war effort.

>Nothing can save Star Wars, it has been swallowed by the SJW machine blah blah buzzwords blah
I can't believe there is an user still pissed about a bunch of fucking dolls. What a fag.

>Significant portions of the movie only work because everyone involved is an idiot.
To be fair, the First Order isn't even normal Nazis. Their the kids of Nazis, and 95% of them are brainwashed child soldiers.

>The crazy thing about TLJ is that the most interesting idea they bring up is that the entire cycle of wars is just to fuel an industry selling to both sides. But how can the series ever confront that without ending all the Star Wars?
TCW actually handled this. The show touches on war profiteers who fuel both sides pretty frequently, and the solution is to acknowledge that it's a necessary evil as long as war exists- so the natural solution is to end war.

Basically there's no way they're going to get rid of the war profiteers.

Are WE the real war profiteers? We sure wouldn't be buying tons of STAR PEACE LEGO sets, would we?

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>Sure, if you measure box office
I was really talking about the brand as a whole. Star Wars love was at a huge fever pitch with TFA. While it was definitely contentious and got more so as time went on, there was largely goodwill toward where the story could go.

I mean, post-TFA, you had Rogue One which made a billion and that's a spinoff with no Jedi or anything. Back then the idea of "spinoffs of Star Wars" sounded like a good idea and not potential flops like they are now.

>recover as a fracnhise?

So I'm guessing Episodes 1-3 just magically disappeared?

You are an idiot and this is why Disney bought

>Star Wars was always diverse, always had good female characters, and the fanbase did just fine without SJW/Marxism for over 40 years

You do realize every female character in Star Wars has always sucked from the beginning right? Leia wasn't good till Empire, Ahsoka was shit for the Clone Wars movie and first two seasons, Padme was a noncharacter. Mon Mothma too.

>Main Trilogy movies should be free of cynical movie makers and scriptwriters like Rian Johnson.

You mean when he had Luke call out the Star Wars Prequels for being shit and getting rid of the rabit fanbase fanfiction that was the Old EU?

>ruins discussion of star wars on the internet permanently
>complains when star wars is toxic now
What did he mean by this?

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They have an interesting relationship with the fandom. I'm curious to see how it will evolve. They have an obvious, and understandable, hatred for other youtubers that talk about Star Wars though.

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WAAAHHHHHH STAR WARS IS DEAD

WAAAHHHHH IT'S RUINED FOREVER

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TLJ genuinely broke this franchise. It's almost fucking impressive. It's almost impressive what Rian did. Like it was some covert job to snuff this shit out since other movie studios were fucking tired of the entire Christmas season being eaten up by Disney.

Still though, what he did to Luke was unforgivable. By necessity, you already diminish his accomplishments in the OT by make a new trilogy, but to turn him jaded and broken without any build up is just wrong. Remember, DISNEY are the ones who got rid of the EU. The last major canonical appearance of Luke was in Episode VI, with VIII dumping all the baggage of a lifetime on him without any of the required development.

And you know, a lot of it could still be salvaged if they just ended the movie like, 30 minutes earlier. That shot of Kylo offering Rey his hand? boom. Iris in. Cut to black. Whatever. That would leave an entire movie of Luke being able to redeem himself and become a hero again. Maybe not as the protagonist, but as something. But Rian killed him. Literally. In one movie he deconstructed Luke's character and snuffed him out so no other writer could do anything interesting or major with him again.

Let's... not ask uncomfortable questions, user

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Don't make fun of us eternal whiny menchildren, bro. We have feelings too, you know.

>You mean when he had Luke call out the Star Wars Prequels for being shit
How so?

Eh? I thought Luke was plenty heroic and good guy-ish in episode 8.
His force projection totally humiliating his dumb evil DARK SIDE-glorifying nephew in front of his entire evil bad guy army was great.
Shame he died, of course, but that's just the way it ought to be.

>I thought Luke was plenty heroic and good guy-ish in episode 8.
WRONG, DISNEY SHILL

>TLJ genuinely broke this franchise
Did it, though? What we're seeing now isn't that much different from what happened with Episode 1, unless you also want to argue that the franchise broke then in which case what makes the present era special in that regard?

Disney literally has to declare the Sequels and associated nucanon as an AU, and redefine their earlier statements of the EU not being canon to say "We didn't mean the EU wasn't canon, it's just one universe in a multiverse! We love the EU and the stories it brings!"

People born in the mid 90s, their biggest spending market next to Gen Z, loved Episode 2/3 and likely know about, if not played, Kotor 1/2. Disney Wars actively goes out of its away to avoid the Prequels and lock the series in an endless Empire/Rebel conflcit that only OT purists would like. (And why would an OT purist give a shit about the Sequels anyways?)

Disney needs to course correct, but that isn't happening so long as KK and her trollfarm at Lucasfilm with that yesman Pablo keep attacking fans

Luke abandoned everyone after attempting to murder his nephew because he felt the darkness in him. Luke, the guy who redeemed and forgave Darth Vader, one of the evilest people in the galaxy, tripped up at an INKLING of badness.

No, Luke was not handled well. Rian clearly had it in mind that he wanted Luke to be a grizzled old badass full of regret, but didn't know how to get him there.

Solo was the first film in this franchise to be a genuine flop. Disney likely lost dozens, of not over a hundred million dollars on that movie. Toy sales are in the gutter. Games are being canceled at a rate faster than being produced, and the ones that are being released, are creating international incidents with countries developing anti-gambling laws.

This all happened late 2017.

Started late 2017, I should say.

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>Luke abandoned everyone after attempting to murder his nephew because he felt the darkness in him
But that's not what happened

The characters that need sympathy are all of Luke's other surviving students. The ones that Ben turned into his henchmen, but nobody seems to be interested in redeeming or even meeting.

>Toy sales are in the gutter.
TLJ didn't start that, though. They've been on the decline since TFA's high point. TLJ certainly didn't help but it's not like Star Wars toys were doing gangbusters and then magically went to shit in December of 2017.

Hasbro has cited toy sales for TLJ in particular being a problem, and not reaching expectations as compared to TFA.

From the way how that Snookie bad guy was set up as some big bad mofo with almost Palpatine like superbad powers who even corrupted Kylo Ren while he was in Leia's belly, doesn't make it look like it was merely an inkling of badness, but rather planetkiller base-sized evil.
And even then, Luke ultimately still decided to not kill his deranged psycho nephew.
A mistake, in hindsight. But without such mistakes, there wouldn't be a tragic™ bad guy with DARK SIDE feelz and shit.

>Solo was the first film in this franchise to be a genuine flop
It's worth noting that TLJ itself did pretty well at the box office. If it had been TLJ that pissed off enough people to make Solo bomb, TLJ itself wouldn't have made much to begin with.

Solo's problem was that even before TLJ came out and pissed off a vocal minority, nobody wanted it. Nobody was excited about it, not the diehards, not the normies, nobody wanted Solo.

>Lusica Stynnix with datapad action figure never

Thanks to KK and Lucasfilm being redefined and leashed by incompetent execs, the sequels are fucking trash.

We could have had a conflict between the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant/Fel Empire set 50~ years after Episode 6 when all of the cast would be dead, and so far removed that it could have been a soft reboot to the series. Destroying the New Republic and failing to adequately explain the timeline and rise of the First Order was dumb, RJ retconning the First Order from a small militia of hyperdevoted Imperial loyalists to THE EMPIRE 2.0 is fucking idiotic. So much wasted potential