Bendis’ Superman

>GOTG
Dead franchise even after two movies. You need to have some kind of anti-talent to do that.
>X-Men
Was alredy a mess but the whole 05 only fucked things more.
>Iron Man
He didn't ruined it but that was because he put Tony on bus and replaced him with Doom and his own OC.
Fuck Bendis man, he ruins everything.

Felicity was part of Firestorm?

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Bendis is saving Superman. This run is iconic already. Fuck outta here.

Is as iconic as America.

Nice try, Gwenpool spammer

>Is there any way that that Superman can recover from this run?
Yeah. Superman himself hasn't done anything to damaging. The Marriage and Jon though are fucked so all the progression is gone

>However the only problem now is waiting for Bendis to get off the fucking book.
He was on Avengers for 7 fucking years

Diggle stayed around because people actually like him. DC is usually good with synergy. I kinda wish the goat had stuck for Bane

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Yes, did you think she was some OC made for the show? Well, with how they changed her character, she might as well have been. She was originally Firestorm's stepmom.
dc.fandom.com/wiki/Felicity_Smoak_(New_Earth)

Ah, showing your hand there. Choosing to attack a book that represented LGBTQ+ POC. Wonder why you didn’t like it? Wonder why you don’t know Bendis on Superman, could it be you liked Superman raising his white son in white rural America and you don't like him being back in a metropolis now with a POC supporting cast? You Bendis haters are all the same.
I don’t read that book sorry

You know what else is iconic? OMD

>Wonder why you don’t know Bendis on Superman, could it be you liked Superman raising his white son in white rural America and you don't like him being back in a metropolis now with a POC supporting cast?
I'm not white and yeah I miss that. But your last point doesn't make any sense because Bendis hasn't given Superman a PoC supporting cast. I just miss Kathy and Jon

He was also on GOTG for five years (to the point where the book fell to the level of what it was before he came on board), X-Men for three years, and Iron Man for three.

Nice act, but no one's falling for it this time.

Go back to the Furies thread, newfag. No one here is dumb enough to defend Bendis, not even SJW.

The difference is that his Avengers was selling really well, in spite of the problems it had. Yes, he was probably lifted by Civil War and Secret Invasion and Dark Reign, but it didn't drop to regular Avengers levels:

03/09 New Avengers #51 - 95,340 (-10.8%)
04/09 New Avengers #52 - 93,975 ( -1.4%)
05/09 New Avengers #53 - 94,367 ( +0.4%)
06/09 New Avengers #54 - 93,878 ( -0.5%)
07/09 New Avengers #55 - 84,745 ( -9.7%)
08/09 New Avengers #56 - 89,996 ( +6.2%)
09/09 New Avengers #57 - 85,598 ( -4.9%)
10/09 New Avengers #58 - 76,656 (-10.4%)
11/09 New Avengers #59 - 74,379 ( -3.0%)
12/09 New Avengers #60 - 72,790 ( -2.1%)
01/10 New Avengers #61 - 78,202 ( +7.4%)
02/10 New Avengers #62 - 76,405 ( -2.3%)
03/10 New Avengers #63 - 76,145 ( -0.3%)

For reference, around the time of Busiek's final year on the book, and Johns' time on the book, Avengers was selling around the high 50,000's, so like higher than 55,000 most of the time. Austen slid a bit, but not as severe as I thought because he was still in the 50,000's.

Bendis didn't hit the high 50,000's until his final two years on Avengers:

09/11 Avengers v4 #17 - 61,492 ( +2.0%)
10/11 Avengers v4 #18 - 58,897 ( -4.2%)
11/11 Avengers v4 #19 - 56,620 ( -3.9%)
12/11 Avengers v4 #20 - 57,145 ( +0.9%)
01/12 Avengers v4 #21 - 54,803 ( -4.1%)
02/12 Avengers v4 #22 - 52,683 ( -3.9%)
02/12 Avengers v4 #23 - 52,222 ( -0.9%)
03/12 Avengers v4 #24 - 52,242 ( +0.0%)
03/12 Avengers v4 #.1 - 52,164 ( -0.1%)
04/12 Avengers v4 #25 - 65,664 (+25.9%)
05/12 Avengers v4 #26 - 67,744 ( +3.2%)
06/12 Avengers v4 #27 - 68,885 ( +1.7%)
07/12 Avengers v4 #28 - 63,169 ( -8.3%)
08/12 Avengers v4 #29 - 61,653 ( -2.4%)
09/12 Avengers v4 #30 - 58,609 ( -4.9%)

I don't think he'd be on a book for seven years again, unless it's creator-owned.

>Dead franchise even after two movies. You need to have some kind of anti-talent to do that.

His run finished about a month before GOTG vol 2 was out, though. That said it is a problem considering he had very high orders at the launch--which was years before the GOTG movie was out, so I think at that point he still had star power (McNiven on art also probably also helped sell it to retailers). For reference, August 2014 was when GOTG hit theaters. Bendis was already on #18 of his series.

Here's Bendis' first run (which ended because Secret Wars ended all titles to be relaunched):

02/13 Guardians #0.1 - 80,344
03/13 Guardians v3 #1 - 217,993 (+171.3%)
04/13 Guardians v3 #2 - 88,184 ( -59.5%)
05/13 ---
06/13 Guardians v3 #3 - 75,633 ( -14.2%)
06/13 Guardians v3 #4 - 71,575 ( -5.4%)
07/13 Guardians v3 #5 - 110,372 ( +54.2%)
08/13 ---
09/13 Guardians v3 #6 - 69,030 ( -37.5%)
10/13 Guardians v3 #7 - 68,647 ( -0.6%)
10/13 Guardians v3 #8 - 63,494 ( -7.5%)
11/13 ---
12/13 Guardians v3 #9 - 57,665 ( -9.2%)
12/13 Guardians v3 #10 - 53,527 ( -7.2%)
01/14 Guardian #11.NOW - 61,111 ( 14.7%) [63,496]
02/14 Guardians v3 #12 - 55,454 ( -9.3%)
03/14 Guardians v3 #13 - 56,764 ( 2.4%)
04/14 Guardians v3 #14 - 53,976 ( -4.9%)
05/14 Guardians v3 #15 - 54,332 ( 0.7%)
06/14 Guardians v3 #16 - 54,827 ( 0.9%)
07/14 Guardians v3 #17 - 62,986 ( 14.9%)
08/14 Guardians v3 #18 - 60,657 ( -3.7%) O.Sin
09/14 Guardians v3 #19 - 55,891 ( -7.9%) O.Sin
10/14 Guardians v3 #20 - 61,072 ( 9.3%)
11/14 Guardians v3 #21 - 62,387 ( 2.2%)
12/14 Guardians v3 #22 - 52,470 ( -15.9%)
01/15 Guardians v3 #23 - 51,466 ( -1.9%)
02/15 Guardians v3 #24 - 60,046 (+16.7%) B.Vortex
03/15 Guardians v3 #25 - 61,798 (+ 2.9%) B.Vortex
04/15 Guardians v3 #26 - 54.124 (-12.4%)
05/15 Guardians v3 #27 – 49,308 (- 8.9%)

Not to mention he worked with the best artists in the biz (and Deodato).

Then this was the post-Secret Wars, All-New All-Different relaunch:

10/15 Guardians of Galaxy #1 - 118,342
11/15 Guardians of Galaxy #2 - 51,690 (-56.3%)
12/15 Guardians of Galaxy #3 - 53,627 (+3.7%)
01/16 Guardians of Galaxy #4 - 46,215 (-13.8%)
02/16 Guardians of Galaxy #5 - 40,581 (-12.2%)
03/16 Guardians of Galaxy #6 - 48,330 (+19.1%)
04/16 Guardians of Galaxy #7 - 40,213 ( -16.8%)
05/16 Guardians of Galaxy #8 - 38,404 (- 4.5%)
06/16 Guardians of Galaxy #9 - 34,542 (-10.1%)
07/16 Guardians of Galaxy #10- 36,614 (+ 6.0%)
08/16 Guardians of Galaxy #11- 34,914 (- 4.6%) (CV2)
09/16 Guardians of Galaxy #12- 32,373 (- 7.3%) (CV2)
10/16 Guardians of Galaxy #13- 29,845 (- 7.8%) (CV2)
11/16 Guardians of Galaxy #14- 28,405 (- 4.8%)
12/16 Guardians of Galaxy #15- 63,338 (+123.0%)
01/17 Guardians of Galaxy #16- 32,890 (-48.1%)
02/17 Guardians of Galaxy #17- 31,093 (- 5.5%)
03/17 Guardians of Galaxy #18- 27,094 (-12.9%)
04/17 Guardians of Galaxy #19- 30,028 (+55.4%)

(CV2 is Civil War 2, I don't know why they did CV for that. But while he likely gained sales on Avengers with crossovers, it didn't work with Civil War 2.)

So realistically how long is he staying?

Now to be fair, here's the Abnett/Lanning era sales, where all it had to go on was cult hype and not big marketing boosts like multiple variant covers and a bigger name writer:

05/08 Guardians o/Galaxy #1 - 36,293
06/08 Guardians o/Galaxy #2 - 32,967 ( -9.2%)
07/08 Guardians o/Galaxy #3 - 33,986 ( +3.1%)
08/08 Guardians o/Galaxy #4 - 40,285 (+18.5%)
09/08 Guardians o/Galaxy #5 - 42,104 ( +4.5%)
10/08 Guardians o/Galaxy #6 - 36,546 (-13.2%)
11/08 Guardians o/Galaxy #7 - 30,516 (-16.5%)
12/08 Guardians o/Galaxy #8 - 31,564 ( +3.4%)
01/09 Guardians o/Galaxy #9 - 28,502 ( -9.7%)
02/09 Guardians o/Galaxy #10 - 27,648 ( -3.0%)
03/09 Guardians o/Galaxy #11 - 27,415 ( -0.8%)
03/09 Guardians o/Galaxy #12 - 26,764 ( -2.4%)
04/09 Guardians o/Galaxy #13 - 27,107 ( +1.3%)
05/09 Guardians o/Galaxy #14 - 27,130 ( +0.1%)
06/09 Guardians o/Galaxy #15 - 26,808 ( -1.2%)
07/09 Guardians o/Galaxy #16 - 26,605 ( -0.8%)
08/09 Guardians o/Galaxy #17 - 27,893 ( +4.8%)
09/09 Guardians o/Galaxy #18 - 24,896 (-10.7%)
10/09 Guardians o/Galaxy #19 - 23,597 ( -5.2%)
11/09 Guardians o/Galaxy #20 - 22,965 ( -2.7%)
12/09 Guardians o/Galaxy #21 - 22,271 ( -3.0%)
01/10 Guardians o/Galaxy #22 - 21,623 ( -3.0%)
02/10 Guardians o/Galaxy #23 - 22,807 ( +5.5%)
03/10 Guardians o/Galaxy #24 - 21,643 ( -5.1%)
04/10 Guardians o/Galaxy #25 - 24,568 (+13.5%)

But it does seem like a major problem when it became a big franchise, and Bendis' time on the book fell to the level of what it was before it had a bigger name writer.

So do you have numbers for Superman and Action so far? I'm afraid they haven't been that bad. I fucking hate the dude, but I guess he pushes units. I just don't understand who his audience is and the kind of reader they are.

From what I recollect his only big numbers was #1 for obvious reasons and since then it's been on a steady decline.

Hard to say. Going by sales right now it's just at "okay" Superman levels? But lower than Rebirth's month-to-month. I don't feel like he'll do seven years on the book. 5 if the decline is slow, 3 or less if people aren't really picking up the events.

He also got an overinflated bump from Action 1000.

Bendis Man of Steel:

5/2018: Man of Steel #1 -- 78,942
6/2018: Man of Steel #2 -- 69,174
6/2018: Man of Steel #3 -- 66,550
6/2018: Man of Steel #4 -- 63,565
6/2018: Man of Steel #5 -- 62,468
7/2018: Man of Steel #6 -- 61,248

Bendis Superman:

7/2018: Superman #1 -- 133,703
8/2018: Superman #2 -- 77,464
9/2018: Superman #3 -- 67,405
10/2018: Superman #4 -- 67,197
11/2018: Superman #5 -- 54,727
12/2018: Superman #6 -- 52,414

Haven't put together the Action numbers.

4/2018: Action #1000 -- 449,787 (not counting reorders)
7/2018: Action #1001 -- 79,327
8/2018: Action #1002 -- 61,916
9/2018: Action #1003 -- 57,865
10/2018: Action #1004 -- 60,420
11/2018: Action #1005 -- 49,149

I was hesitant to include #1000 because the book didn't continue till months later.

Oof, those numbers aren't very good and from the looks of it, Superman had a continuous drop in sales since #1 in July! It went from being in the top five best selling comics in July to being not even in the top ten by the ned of the year!

Sources: comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-07.html

comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-12.html

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its already better than Tomasi and Jurgen's boring shit

You're running out of canned sentences

Get a life you (You) hungry whore

Putting Bendis on Superman is the best decision DC ever made. Inspite of what Superfags would say, Superman has always been a containment book for shitty writers like Byrne, Jurgens, Austen, Johns, JMS, Tony Daniels, Lobdell, Tomasi, and now Bendis. Since he had no good runs since the 70s, there's nothing to spoil.
Worse case scenario would be Bendis spoiling a character with consistently good comics, like Spectre, Manhunter, Jonah Hex or Unknown Soldier.

>Sales for Superman plummet in comparison to that of the late New52 era.
>Fan approval for Bendis is low and has been since 2010 at the earliest.
>Tomasi leaves at the peak quality of his run for no reason leaving certain plot points unfinished.
>"Hur durr, Superfags are in denial, Johns, Jurgens and Byrne were terrible."

Get out.

>Muh sales
That doesn't contradict anything I said.

>4/2018: Action #1000 -- 449,787 (not counting reorders)
>11/2018: Action #1005 -- 49,149
I am not an expert but those are not good numbers.

The marriage last before Flashpoint and it will survive this as well.

>falling for bait

YOU should be worrying bout Thor. That onions boy beta cuck of Aaron is fucking his story worse than bendiga

Fuck off DiDio.
What I mean is, to go from 449k to 49k is not good. I don't expect Bendis to stay more than a year.

When the fuck is Tomasi getting an omni?

Superfags seething. You deserve Bendis.

I hope you're right, user.

It was the 1000th issue you dope. That’s not a fair comparison.

Yeah, you contradict what you say.

Are these posts by the same guy? Has similar writing style and brings up the same things over and over as "insults".

There are some people on Yea Forums who only shitpost. I personally can't fathom what a person could gain from such an exercise.

>12/16 Guardians of Galaxy #15- 63,338 (+123.0%)
WTF was that issue?

They are but humble (You) farmers, looking to survive another winter.

It was the start of the new storyarc post-Civil War II, (and part of the Marvel Now 2 launch) it also was loaded with incentive variants, but I don't know all the ratios. One was 1:10, on was 1:15, and there was one that was one per store.

Yes
De-age Jon Kent
Lois and Clark go back to being a normal married couple to raise their son.

It not that hard.

>106094968
No (you)s for you, retard.

>its already better than Tomasi and Jurgen's boring shit
Cassfag and her Bendis Fetish -

Don't forget that Tom King already ruined Batman anf Catwoman.

Can't wait for it to get undone by the next writer(s)

cassfag is a complete shit, of course, but the problems here go far beyond him.

Why would they give him Batman though? His sales have been terrible

I'm fairly certain the original version of Felicity appeared in Nu52 Firestorm, meaning that there are currently two different versions of the character in canon.

Damian, the boy from hell, has a twin sister.
She is the daughter of Bruce Wayne and Talia Al Ghul, as well as the sister of Damian Wayne.
That's how we got Bendis coming to DC and viciously raping everything Batman.

Nah Bendis would need Batgirl to be black, can’t have Talia be the mother

They'll have to retcon the hell out of it.

I personally wouldn't care one bit if the next writer just came in and wrote as if the run never happened and carried on straight from where tomasi left it.

The complete destruction of Jon is going to be referenced as a horrid bit of storytelling for decades.

Of course.

It's even more telling when you compare them to Tomasi's numbers.

Tomasi wasn't a big name and didn't have a marketing push anything in the shadow of what Bendis had, but still pound for pound sold better and retained readership better.

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As much shit as Tomasi gets from the Yea Forumsmblr posters that hate his sometimes sappy but respectable family message oriented comics the truth is he has a lot of respect with actually comic fans. His Batman and Robin was one of the gems of the New 52 and the fact that he was hand picked by Grant Morrison to take on that title is awesome.

This is the only place where I regularly see people rag on Tomasi.

I don't think Yea Forums is even close to having a general grasp on the market.

DC won't be that patient, particularly with a new owner above them who is finally paying attention to that part of the company

Outside of a handful of shit posters everyone loved Tomasi's run. The only reason they're so persistent is because idiots like you give them (You)s

>user, you've been hired to write Superman now that Bendis is off WRITING THE WARHAMMER 40K MOVIE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
1st panel: Myxy snaps his fingers
2nd panel: everything is back to normal
That was easy....

Myxy: Listen Clark, I'm gonna need you to stop fucking up for two seconds

>Outside of a handful of shit posters
it is just a Cassfag.
She hate Tomasi.

One of my greatest Yea Forums memories was that silent issue of Tomasi’s Batman and Robin after Damian died being sorrytimed. I had the issue waiting for me at the comic shop but I’m so glad I went in the thread because that was an emotional roller coaster.

Give the run back to Tomasi/Gleason, instantly whips up a "It was all a dream of what may be" retcon.

>WRITING THE WARHAMMER 40K MOVIE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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