Dragon Prince

>I can't molest you in your sleep if you're dead!
Fucking elves.

Tell him how much she needed his dick

nothing about their relation I hope

Fuck dragons
that red asshole deserved it

He’s not wearing any shirt under that cloak and it clearly exposes his broad titless man chest. It’s just hard to notice he’s half naked because he’s a star elf.

you know this show could be pretty good if it didn't feel the need to stuff as much cringey virtue signaling social justice crap in wherever possible

Uhhhh his voice synth is too thick and it does a bad job at hiding his boring voice. Is that the narrator's voice from the opening?

I was expecting something incredibly light considering his feminine facial features. Instead I get some sort of typical fantasy ork captain's voice.

"I can't do this without you" referring to delivering Zym

Also the aberrant pacing typical of S1 TLA's worst episodes where they sit in 1 place wasting time, oh and the fact everyone feels like Aang, Bumi and Zhao. None of the maturity and social awareness of Sokka and Katara. At the very least if they wasted time in an intellectual manner, but without the adults in the house there isn't much intelligence to be had.

It IS the voice of the opening narration

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Who exactly is like Zhao? Because I haven't a downright malicious villain in the show yet.
Also how Rayla not Katara with a little bit more sarcasm

I imagine he means viren

Imo most of the kid cast border on too mature actually

>When the narrator is also a character in the show and is also the big bad boss.
IT'S MAGIC

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Am i the only one that thought he was a chick until i heard him talk?

I bet Viren thought the same, which is probably why he was so insistent, and dropped it as soon as he found out.

What do you call this ship?

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It seems a large portion of anons also did. But a large portion of anons are also closeted homosexuals, so o suppose it makes sense

sad

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>Och da gaol, me paddy brun warf, ach niddy da shillelagh ah me auld lang syne.
Elvish really is a beautiful language.

It's arguable Netflix was pulling a bait and switch to dunk on homophobes by making it hard to make out how open his shirt is beneath his cloak until after he speaks. I seriously doubt they would be bold enough to put this much cleavage on a female character in a children's show.

I still support "it is a girl, she just has a really deep voice" headcanoning, but I'm almost entirely certain it's supposed to be a dude.

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I thought so at first, but I figured out pretty soon he was a man. That thick torso and his shoulder to waist ratio are pretty masculine, specially compared to the other female elves. And then you take a closer look and see that's not a fancy magical shirt but his bare chest.

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So this nigga was imprisoned in a mirror that was in Dragon Kings man-cave, right? Is the the Dark Lord of the story? Where the hell was he going through that door if he has no clue where he is? Did Dragon King jerk off on him in his lair as if Aaravos was a camwhore?

>That thick torso and his shoulder to waist ratio are pretty masculine
That's most women in this show.

What will happen when Callum finds out about Claudia killing baby deer

Probably there is nothing outside and it's really just that room, but he was pretending to be outside to not look like he's imprisoned

>Where the hell was he going through that door if he has no clue where he is?

My best guess is that the door just leads to another room.

this art is hot garbage

>has only known him for two weeks
Elf girls sure are easy

>callum I need you
>t-to complete this mission o-of course!

Aside from the moment they had, with season 3 being just the two of them in xadia, I would like to see them form a synergy in combat ala prince of persia (2008)

>ear shlicking
You can really tell how thirsty he is. Hasn't even gotten Viren in the same room and he's already warming up

Yet I post it anyway.

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Callum I Need You. To give me about tree fiddy.

Callum needs to learn moon magic next season

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>ye haev tae eat a round moon magic source as part of laearnin moon magic....

With an incentive like that he'd fucking better.

>That's when I realized that the cute elf girl traveling to me on an epic quest to prevent a war between our peoples was a giant crustacean from the paleolithic era
>The scottish accent should have tipped me off

I cant believe that no one has made a moonpie joke at this point.

Wasn’t he ready to kill two kids? Like he didn’t have any sense of regret when he was about to go on the zip-line

You’re thinking of Soren.

And Soren’s sense of morality is really weird and thickheaded. He only built the zipline in the first place because he did at least sense there was something wrong with just stabbing the princes, so he somehow thought that putting Ez in danger and letting him die “accidentally” was somehow less his fault. Most people that stage an accident to murder somebody do so out of an avoidance of the repercussions, but that wasn’t his motivation at all, he was doing it purely for peace of mind. So Soren’s morals are fucked up and stupid, but at least they’re still there. He honestly thought of building a faulty zipline on purpose as not counting as murder.

So is Aaravos just gonna be a Sauron stand in or is there going to be something else to him?

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Donno, he was just revealed and hasn't done much but tempt Viren.
Give him some room to grow dude.

>implying Koh's voice is boring

Pleb detected.

>Even with his own son Viren is still a bottom

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>elves are sluts meme again

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You know most people only know the big armour Sauron from the movie? Gift bearer Sauron hasn't been that exploited.
Also now I like him more after you compared him to Sauron.

They went beyond making Soren a jock, he's functionally retarded basically. No true sense of right or wrong.

that's how he definitely was at the start of the season no doubt. but i think his sense returned in the latter episodes (ironically after his physical sense stopped working for a while from that dragon hit). he recognized he fucked up real bad when he goaded the dragon to cook half the village and started to really feel the remorse of actually attempting to murder at least one prince

I hope he does not master all the elements

>despite only being 13% of the population, elves are responsible for over 50% of sexual harassment cases against human males

he has a sense of right but he tries to ignore it because it won't get him love.
just like rwby
and the hands

I did not pay much attention. assumed it was a woman. having seen how some queens in this world look, it seemed plausible.

he will never ask how she did it. she will probably have a breakdown and yell it at him, eventually getting so dark that she will try to kill him or nothing at all will happen, like how the coins did not do anything(was perfect time to use them for remaking moon elf puppets), how the king was trapped in a bird only to escape,etc.

looks better than most book covers
I doubt they covered that much land in 2 weeks

Downfall of Numenor is peak Sauron motherfucker was so slick he literally made god sperg

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Would he really care? He knows what fuels dark magic. Even if he's be squeamish about doing it himself i doubt it would matter to him that someone else did it.

Never really was a fan of the bishounen as hell sauron and melkor that artist (or a similar artist) made vogue.

Chad Sauron on the otherhand where he looks like a proper manly Tolkien Elf (yeah I know he's not an elf) is the good shit.

Sauron kinda is an elf, when he chose that form he effectively became elf like enough to get bound by destiny.

and Soren wants Claudias dick

Sauron in Numenor had to be as disarming as possible while still being otherworldly and awe inspiring thats why I like that one with horns, very pale, massive hair: like a magic, arcane creature thats just enough human and relatable.
For his "normal" form (pre Numenor) I think hed use something more intimidating but still elf-lordly, like this

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Sauron was only bound to a shape after Numenor, before that he shifted into whatever he wanted for his gain, all the way from elf, human, werewolf and vampire

I'd prefer him to stick to air but we know thats not gonna happen

I want him to learn a max of three. Preferably only two

We give Amaya a sunfire sword.
What happens?

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Elves become an endangered species.

She single-handedly wins the war

>Callum learns star magic.
I think he's gonna stick to sky since he knows more spells for it and seems to have an affinity towards it though.
I can't see him becoming a supreme magus or whatever. Maybe in the future he masters all the arcanum but for the next couple of seasons I can't see him branching too far from sky.

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she breaks the game by being too OP

She can cook Gren a nice kabob.

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Then Gren gives her a nice "kabob".

Do you think she'll like the beard?

nrevac ym edavni

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Was that a tentacle rape spell?

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How is he going to skip prison?
discord.gg/S7Ecxtb

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I genuinely think this elf is ugly compared to Runaan.

I dunno Ez pardons him?

>GAHD DAMN LOCH NESS MONSTAH!!

Wait it out. He had Viren show them "his" strength then told him to get captured. When shit hits the fan from the zombo assassins the higher up are going to want Viren's help.

Stop talking shit about my waifu.

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"Invade my cavern"
Welp

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He desperately needs a big strong man to rein him in.

tentacles and elf dont mix well

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Disagree heavily.

Why are there no good images of chad swordbro.

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the elf disagrees with you

She doesn't get a vote.

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>think this is a woman when the hood is up
>he starts to speak

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Elves are creatures of lies and deceit.
Do not trust your eyes, your ears or your boner.

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pretty sure it was the same for many people, me one of them too

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Would a 6'6" elf do?

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Anyone going to they Nucleus thing today?

and then she brought him back with a handjob

I see you've seen the second image too.

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I want Aaravos and Viren to be genuine, but kind of messed up friends or more.
I've really wanted Viren to have someone of an equalish status to plot with and Villainous Friendships are just great.

Forgot pic

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They will be.
Once Viren sees the level of Aaravos' planning, given the bug is now inside Viren the two have time to become very well acquainted.

To be honest if they can reject him when he's being at least half honest, I don't buy it if they fall for a clear False Flag plot.
Especially after his ranting.

Harrow was just too dang short for Viren.

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Sauce dang

Aaravos is deeply tied to the mythology of the series, if anything, hes gonna upstage Viren quickly, and if he gets out of the mirror completely overshadow him

Aaravos is absolutely gonna overshadow Viren but it'd be interesting to see if he does it in a subtle way or via force.
I want a wizard duel.

>Harrow's armor "coincidentally" makes him just a tiny bit taller than Viren
That will never not be funny.

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twitter.com/raegeii/status/1098114578762719232

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better question, why is there no images of Soren wincesting Claudia?

fun fact, elvs dont wear underwear

Does this count?

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Does she have white pubes?

no, that is battle armor

Elves are all about nature, so I would assume so.

Me too, I love villain friendships. Sadly, I doubt they will see each other as anything more than tools. Viren will think he has shit under control while Aaravos plays him like a cheap kazoo.
Viren should start asking himself what does Aaravos win by helping him. Even if he is in a desperate situation, he can't be so naive to think this won't end up biting him in the ass.

Soren's original design was cool as fuck.

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>pubes
>elves

the current one is better, this one just look messy

While I don't disagree, I like both designs.

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both armored and ready to fight

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In what war would that be armour?

Interesting, it seems they had a very clear image of Claudia from the start. Other characters went through several design stages, but she stayed pretty consistent.

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Even Callum unoriginally had a more "heroic/adventurous" look to him.
Rayla probably had the most changes from any character we've seen though, considering she was originally a dude.

The war for Callum's dick

in a fantasy one, a sexy war or a witch girls vs elf girls war for the rights over young boys

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It'd be wacky if this has a timeskip in it at some point and Callum does become an elemental master.

>she was originally a dude.
I didn't know that, all-male teams seem quite rare in cartoons nowadays. Do we have any sketches of Boy!Rayla?

Timeskips have me on edge because of how poorly it can reflect on a character driven narrative and how it opens up some really easy ways-out for writers in terms of skills and progressions.

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OG Rayla and OG Callum.

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This scene was powerful and all, but they should get around to removing those arrows already. It's been weeks.

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Rayla V2 and Ez V1.
This is where Rayla resembles the character we know now but she is way more geared-up and battle ready.

Its been like a week and a half and the entire kingdom hasn't even had chance to grieve and I'd wager enough of the knights and soldiers are looking for the princes.
Even if they aren't the designated party to do so.

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That doesn't look like a boy

Rayla was a reverse trap, a rare breed

How could you tell?
Explain to an artlet, please.

Volpe leaving those hints like:
discord.gg/S7Ecxtb

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For startes it actually have bigger bobs than series Rayla

Waist hip ratio and tits

Thanks anons.

keep the concept design coming!!

Man is not made to resist these pits

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>Rayla is a reverse trap that is hiding because reasons
>Callum doesnt know until Rayla drown in one episode and Callum saves her and find out
>Journey gets incredible awkward from this point from
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>I'd wager enough of the knights and soldiers are looking for the princes.
I don't think knights and soldiers are the ones in charge of cleaning the castle.

Its all she wrote for now.
This image is the last I could find.

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In fantasy the knights and soldiers do everything.
They are a multi-purpose unit and Viren strikes me as somebody to declare a war on dust.
If he hasn't I don't think the maid brigade would clean shit.

There is zero definition here.

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>Are you watchinsg me sleep?

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better question why are there so few images of the purest/cutest ship of all?

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I wish they had kept the rolled up sleeves with gloves for Callum, looks badass.

He looks more experienced and on top of things, but that kinda clashes with the Callum we know and love.
If we do get a change of clothes at any point I could see him reflecting that design a little but only if he becomes adept as a mage beforehand.

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after the war ended Rayla, Callum and Ezram travelled the continent solving mysteries

FOR FONGERRRR

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>oi m8, ye wouldn't doubt an aelf about magic would ya?

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Jesus that Ezran outfit is hideous he looks like hes a background character in The Beauty and the Beast

Its not messy, just too cluttered/busy. I do like that insignia thingy he had going on, wish he'd kept that at least

The "Key" of Aavaros is probably some sort of puzzle that only unlocks whatever its does when all 6 sides are lit, Since Aavaros made it and we know he can use all 6 elements. I'm guessing that's how the plot forces Callum to go full avatar

I want to see him just remain a Sky mage though, since some human learning the fundamental truths of the universe behind 6 primal sources in one lifetime is hard enough to swallow without the fact that with a show like this that will probably have to happen over a period of months in universe

What if Callum has to jam it up Aaravos' butt?

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Rayla already covers Moon and Ezran and Bait can fill Earth and Sun respectively.
Ocean might not be too difficult but finding a Star something will be the hard part

>to get to Aaravos you have to solve it
>to solve it you have to jam it up Aaravos butt
you would need to connect with the 6 arcanum and open your minds eye to solve this one

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Ezran dont have an arcana

He talks to animals. Given what we know as of S2, it's likely he's connected to some kind of arcanum

Can multiple people activate the cube at once? We have only seen it react to a single "entity" at a time. Even when Zym and Bait were right next to each other and Callum put the cube up to Bait only Earth lit up and not Sky.

If Aavaros did create this as a key that only he could use (this is an assumption but I think a valid one) letting it be activated by a friendship circle instead of requiring one person with all 6 Arcana seems like an oversight

we dont know how he is able to do it, it must be some kind of magic, but the cube dont glow when is near him
I dont know but if that is the case, maybe is not activating the six sides at the same time but activating them in a certain order. if they dont react at more than 1 primal source at the same time then this would be the next best bet. need to see the cube scenes again to be sure thou

Maybe it's the strength of the source? He needs to hold it right up to Bait/Rayla/Etc, but the sea creature lit it up from several feet away

They're doing an art panel thing and showing off some early concept art for the show as well as the game. This is game concept art.

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Eh I take that to narrative license considering Zym the DRAGON FUCKING PRINCE also only lit up when you held the cube up to him, but when Callum was having his fever dream in ep 9 we saw the cube's Sky rune inside his pack a good 8-10 feet away begin to flicker

Oh, neat. Hoping the game's good even if it probably won't be. How many people are there?

What? where is this?

>we dont know how he is able to do it, it must be some kind of magic, but the cube dont glow when is near him
Have they actually tried it on him? Regardless, it could be a similar situation to the Ship Captain, where he's like one step away from actually gaining an arcanum

From the one pic I can find of twitter it looks like a tiny venue, though I know they did sell out of tickets real fast.

Something called Gallery Nucleus? If you check the dragon prince tag on twitter some stuff comes up.

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Also some concept art for the show that I haven't seen posted before

Here's early Soren and Claudia

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Early Rayla. No horns or markings yet, and I think she has 5 fingers too, though it's hard to tell.

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I gad the same thought but I remembered he still a baby who just hatched, he probably dont have that much power yet, I also that he was able to remove rayla arm bind was not because of his power but just because dragon teeth.

>those cheekbones
What a Chad

From the looks of it a part of the game happens at the Breach or the Sun territory of Xadia maybe?

Wow, early elves looked a lot more like Fae.

Early Callum

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Early Startouch elves (that's the full name apparently). Last of the concept art pictures I've been able to find.

Also someone tweeted earlier today that the earth elves are called "earthblood elves" but I can't remember if it was ehasz, volpe, or someone else.

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Im just a poor boy from a poor family
boy meets elf

She just has big eyes

So they still had the horn motif but not actual horns yet

Oh, those are beautiful.
Their robes look like they have some Asian influences. Brings to mind that fairytale of the lovers separated by the Milky Way.

> he was able to remove rayla arm bind was not because of his power but just because dragon teeth.
He didn't chew it off, he pulled at it until the other side snapped. Magic was definitely involved because, otherwise, the bind would have cut straight through Rayla's wrist. Like a string through a stick of warm butter.

Remember he's a premature baby so he's not in the best condition.

well his teeth are sharp, something like pushing a knife against a string, or running your thumb againsy your canines

I've seen the argument that, since the binding was technically an oath of vengeance on behalf of the dragon prince (prince ezran's death as payback for prince azymondias'), it makes sense that the one who the oath was FOR could also choose to release someone from that oath

not gonna lie that sound possible and bullshit at the same time

Finally finished watching the second season. Does anyone think that Callum being able to use primal magic, assuming he doesn't have elven blood like some people are guessing, is kind of an asspull since hundreds of years worth of dark mages weren't able to get it?

Also does anyone think Claudia killing the deer wasn't that big of a deal? What's the difference between killing a deer to harvest it's magic and killing it for it's meat, especially when it's to heal a crippled man?

Will this show ever get a good loli? Wolf loli was just ok, while queen loli was lame.

Corvin said it was "just trying to intimidate" people, but isn't an enemy just being there enough cause to attack it? What if it was the scout for an attacking force? Or if it went back and told the elves the humans were total pussies and wouldn't fight back if they showed up to wreck shit?

Fujos would have been all over this.

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>Does anyone think that Callum being able to use primal magic is kind of an asspull since hundreds of years worth of dark mages weren't able to get it?
Yeah, but I get the feeling it's more of a few/nobody tried when dark magic was the obvious alternative
>Also does anyone think Claudia killing the deer wasn't that big of a deal?
The deer isn't the big deal, it's the gray streak foreshadowing towards lichdom

Personally I couldn't care less about killing the deer but I think for the purposes of "dark magic" it's probably a step beyond the standard butterfly type creatures she's used to draining and causes more corruption.

>Does anyone think that Callum being able to use primal magic, is kind of an asspull since hundreds of years worth of dark mages weren't able to get it?

Well if they were using Dark Magic why would any of them even have gone the extra mile to try and forge an Arcanum? Would you try to do something no one else thinks is possible when you already have a working alternative that gets you to the same goal?

Not really my dude. Look over human history more often than not discoveries happen based on accidents or being at the right place. Like the motor, antibiotics, fucking gravity.

This. We had iron wire for 400+ years before anyone came up with barbed wire.

As weird as it sounds, there's simply not enough people interested in magic and its research, be it primal or dark. Dark magic is meant to be easy-peasy to cast, yet apparently Viren is the only person in all of Katolis and Duren that can do the earth-warming spell, even if the ingredients and formula are gathered and ready.

I'm already bi.
His voice was just a pleasant surprise.

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I assumed most people were just incapable of performing magic. Even with the primal stone Callum was surprised he actually cast the wind spell and was thrilled to find out he was a mage. If anyone could do dark magic I would think Viren would try to drill that into Soren's head no matter how much of a doof he is. I'm sure Soren would love being a wizard knight.

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Think of it this way: anyone can technically be an artist, yet most people are not.
Soren is...not inclined to the traits that favor magic use.

sauce?

Why is this show so scared of lasting consequences? There's a lot of parts about it I like but every time there's something significantly interesting happening (Rayla about to lose her hand, Callum learning dark magic, Soren breaking his fucking back) the show just puts its tail between its legs and runs. Why? It's going to dissipate the tension because now whenever something bad happens/might happen I'll just expect the show to go back on it instead of committing.

In /tg/ this is known as “the BHC”.

Is it really so bad if Callum uses the ingredients a dark mage has already gathered to perform dark magic against them? It's not like he's doing any of the life taking.

It’s built on vegan logic, it isn’t supposed to make sense

It casts a really weird light on the dynamic of the world. Humans are essentially oppressed by Elves that ha and used every part of the animal. Sove innate magic that Humans can't use, and the only magic they can use is said to be "evil"? Would really have enjoyed it more if Callum did do dark magic, but only on leftovers of already dead creatures, or otherwise taking the view of old hunter-gatherer tribes that would worship the animals they hunted for food and clothing. Callum would only use magic when absolutely necessary or something like that instead of just...wanting to be special like an elf and get innate magic. What a cheap copout.

>/tg/
Kobold Fuckers

Early Soren looks like the rich douche kid in an 80s teen movie.

What a chad family. Callum really needs to go with Claudia.

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Those cheekbones could cut glass.

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So, what do you think is the deal with Sol Regem? He’s the dragon that is shown on most promotional art, and he appears to have lost an eye
Maybe he was part of the guard of Thunder (if he really needed one) and after his death and being scarred during the event he’s now gone “gas all the humans” or something like that

>Thunder was Dragon Harrow
>Sol Regem is Dragon Viren

Having a well meaning but extremist antagonist on Xadia's side too could really help the show

I'd want this to rule my kingdom

>Callum getting his ass kicked by his enemy, but soon-to-be ally - his cloth torn, full of scratches and holding onto where he got punched or kicked probably.
>dat lightning
Why can't we have proper executions of these things? the concept art shows both better designs, but better portrayals of what the scene was initially about.

Holy mother of anus, did somebody behind a James Bond movie or an Action Man cartoon come up with these?
Jesus, the Viren from the show looks like a faggy pretty boy.

You're right and it won't happen but at least it'd be nice if he kept Viren around and the two did form some sort of bond.

Villains having personal relationships with characters other than the hero or their designated love-interest keeps them fleshed out.

I think Viren could not be (or remain) the only one with an Aaravos's bug in his ears...

Araavos transmitting his bugs all over xadia, thats the real reason he got kicked out

We got a glimpse with claudia getting that white streak of hair after she took the essence from the deer.

holy shit, i love these. especially that last one on the right.

Is this a print exclusive or concept art?

How does a medieval sailboat captain know what narcolepsy is?

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Maybe it wouldn't be common knowledge, but if you had it, you'd know.

Has someone drawn Rayla like this yet?

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These heights made me laugh more than they should have.

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So animals seem to be more intelligent in this show. Are they all connected to primal sources as well or is it their lifeforce, or soul, thats used as a catalyst for dark magic ?

"I showed you my horns, answer me"

>Callum I Need You
You just reminded me of this scene. Pardon the shit quality.

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they are connected. dark magic uses both their lifeforce and their connection and what type of connection they have determinants what the dark magic does, meaning you can't get flight by draining a dog.

Man, Callum v1 with that defiant look in his eye.

Do you think her brother will get smarter thanks to this?
I like his plan, he lets Viren get captured. humanity falls into panic because assassins are killing people left and right, instead of having to hold the kingdom by force,Viren is freed and asked to lead them.

Please be a dungeon crawler.

The true question is what will happen when Ezran will finds out....
Callum a the moment is far away with his own problems..

What makes you think they will find out? Claudia did not tell him that her brother was paralyzed so why would he find it strange that he can walk?

Dark magic always uses a primal source

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>meme
It's fact user.

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Not really? No human could use Dark Magic until the first Dark Mage.

>can you feel THIS Soren?

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Unrelated, but is it just me or does anyone else hope Claudia continues to flippantly use dark magic whilst justifying doing so by protecting her brother/ loved ones until she becomes so entrenched in self-righteousness that Soren is forced to kill her before she can do something irrevocably terrible?

Soren wouldn't hurt Claudia but if push came to shove he might take her away from the influence of dark magic.

no. I like seeing her go darker but not into cackling madness. Soren better not be an ungrateful bitch, he should stick with her till the end.

Aussie elves when?
>hate other elves
>hate humans
>land is populated by nightmare fuel-tier monsters
>bantz

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maybe there was a mole:D

I love that Claudia is becoming Viren 2.0
It's going to be really poignant when she starts casually talking about disemboweling still living creatures for freshest dark magic regents.
Just imagine she's drinking her hot brown morning potion while ripping the guts out some random woodland critter, Soren just sorta staring and trying to make small talk while trying his best not to vomit
Season 3 is gonna be great

This is my main complaint right now as well. I think the Soren thing still has a shot at long-term consequences, but I agree that overall they really need to commit better. I'm still assblasted about Rayla not losing the hand, they built it up so much and it fit in with the themes they were doing and everything.

God, I want a Soren bf so bad.

So every corpse can be used for dark magic? Previously when explaining dark magic, it was mentioned that they used the remains of magic creatures from Xadia, but in the last episode Claudia manages to do a pretty dope spell using only a common baby dear from the Human side of the border.

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She already talked about transporting the dragon in pieces with a smile on her face

Will Rayla be embarrassed about lusting after a human, she knows the other elves will judge her

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well he's a human mage, that's bound to be worth something.

He's also pretty cute.

She uses grasshopper goo for a spell, and claims the thorax of a common wasp has some neat magical properties too. It seems mundane-looking animals can also have arcanas.

At least they killed the king for real. Or, he might not be really dead but just a bird now. But at least his body was destroyed, so they probably can’t pussy out of him never getting that back.

eventually claudia will want to see what dark magic she can make using an elf as materials
I have no idea why viren didnt make use of such precious materials but maybe he just wanted to have a talking coon

He's also an artist and a prince. It'll be interesting to see how they feel about the prince part. Some might be jealous, some might be congratulatory, some might see it as a boon for race relations, and others might be pissed that an elf girl and a human male noble are an item.

So it's like a white girl bringing a black man home
>no daughter of mine is going to be a coalburner

>Does anyone think that Callum being able to use primal magic is kind of an asspull since hundreds of years worth of dark mages weren't able to get it?
A kid making a breakthrough is solid writing. Old deeds for the old, new deeds for the new.

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exactly
>no daughter of mine will marry a filthy five-finger
>but da i love him
>his father killed the fookin dragon king, rayla
>but im already carryin his baby

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You got me user

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Not sure if this has been has been brought up before but here's what I'm thinking is the big fuck up that'll bring Viren's ruse cruise to a grinding halt. So at the end of season 2 he sends out his fake moon elves to go attack the other kings and queens and put the fear of zadia in them, right? Thing is, at the time he does this, we clearly see that it is almost time for the new moon. It may be a leap of logic, but given that the elves' magic likely waxes and wanes with the moon, it stands to reason that they'd be at their weakest when during the new moon. This would then create a huge inconsistency with Viren's story and the attack. Why in the fuck would the elves decide to attack when they're at their weakest? Why the time crunch? Would they even be able to attack at that time? And honestly. given that Viren himself was on a massive time crunch and would reasonably forget about the moon, or given the fact that this piece of knowledge could be absent from the kingdoms' elf archive, this would end up being an honest to goodness believable fuck up that would shatter everything. I say the latter bit since given that moon elves likely wouldn't attack during their weakest point, it stands to reason that the humans may not know off this weakness due to the elves playing it smart. Their lack of attacks could be thought of as them waiting to strike at their peak, rather than a full inability to. Also the fact that he's using fake moon elves is kind of funny given how the moon magic is all about understanding illusions and shit and what's 'real and not'. Just a nice thematic cherry on top.

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Last nigth i dreamt that season 3 started with Callum just like, popping elemental arcanums for all the other types of magic in like one dream sequence; then batman, shaman and ironman helped Leon Kenedy on Resident Evil 3 but that has nothing to do with this.
Do you guys think that Callum will be like the first Avatar and just master all 6~7 elements?
Would you call that bullshit if it happened?

I like your reasoning, but you are probably super overthinking it.

Eh, maybe. I just kind of like the idea that the smallest flaw in Viren's plan would end up being his undoing. The whole argument about dark magic is that it provides quick fixes that come back to bite you in the long run. Something like this fits the bill without being contrived, at least in my mind.

>the idea that the smallest flaw in Viren's plan would end up being his undoing

Personally, I’d love it if he was fucked over by one random Katolis citizen that otherwise has every reason to be on his side, but is still really pissed he violated the king’s mourning ritual.

It's not like he mastered sky magic at present though. He seems to have a quick learning curve and affinity, but he's far from being an expert like, say, Lujanne with moon magic.
So I think his focus will always be sky magic and the story will follow him becoming a real master of it. He might learn of other arcana out of need for whatever purpose but he won't be overly proficient at them.

The red head in the dungeon is going to kill viren
Cap this

Well he wouldn't be the first since Aaravos is a thing

But I don't want Callum to be another avatar. It undermines their message of needing to band together and cooperate, where's needing to find multiple other mages for all six sources.

Like, imagine Callum, Jainai, Lujanne, Claudia, and two other mages slinging spells at Aaravos while Rayla and Soren try to get past shadow beasts that Viren's summoning as a final battle, instead of Aang v. Ozai 2.0

You mean the bitch on the council who's been hounding him ever since then and won't listen at all because of it?

Eh he might as well go for the record of fucking up

Isn't he technically a bastard? They haven't used that word yet, but by fantasy-monarchy-rules that's what he is, right?

>I have no idea why viren didnt make use of such precious materials but maybe he just wanted to have a talking coon
S2 spoiler: He did. In the end of the second season you see him take a bunch of little urns with the ashes of the dead elves to summon their shadows and attack the other kingdoms.

you are assuming humans know how moon magic works. + he sent them out that night but who knows when they will actually get to their targets.

I think his undoing will probably his failed royal assassination attempt, his manipulation of his own children, and pacting with a questionably intentioned, extremely powerful elf. But it would be cool if someone went "hey wait a second, why would moon elves attack on a new moon?"

No, a bastard would have been if Harrow was married to someone else but knocked Sarai up with Callum. Callum is a prince by adoption but not the heir apparent, so he's just lower in the line of succession.

He's a legitimate son, just not the King's.

red dragon is going to have a human from.
Aaravos is not human.

no. he is the queens son from the first marriage.

>you are assuming humans know how moon magic works
Well, that's where I think Rayla, Callum, and Esrend will come in. If anyone could piece this together it would be them, Rayla to provide the knowledge, Callum to connect the dots, and Esrend to use his power as king to spread the message.

>implying elves recognize human sovereignty

>Implying they'll have a choice.

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Ahh right, I was applying game of thrones logic. Like when a Lord or King abandons his first wife for a new one and has children with the new wife, the children of the first marriage become bastards, but it doesn't apply in Callum's case since his dad died and his mom became a widow, so the first marriage was still valid I guess.

Humans got electrolytes, it's what elves crave.

I have heard better.
youtube.com/watch?v=ah6GbkBoEsw

I like it. All of Viren's plans have fallen through so far so I don't see why a false flag plan should work.
It'd also take away from the 'conflict cycle' message if the humans only struck back because they where tricked by Viren.

Honestly I'd love it if it turned out Viren WAS right about the impending attack from Xadia but his own schemes left Katolis vulnerable.

Probably in the long run but I don't think he's going anywhere yet.

>Honestly I'd love it if it turned out Viren WAS right about the impending attack from Xadia but his own schemes left Katolis vulnerable.
Currently seems to be heading that way since Sunfire activity at the border has increased.

no. I have never heard of someone being retroactively made into a bastard.

Honestly it seems like they are building up towards genuine elven aggression; they attacked a human fort on the border and had a dragon in katolis territory. The conflict doesn't seem to be that Viren is jumping at ghosts, it's that neither side is willing to deescalate

>Honestly I'd love it if it turned out Viren WAS right about the impending attack from Xadia but his own schemes left Katolis vulnerable.
You know, it's kind of weird, but I sort of hope that the dragon they meet at the end of the second season is basically the Viren of Xadia. Just some high ranking dragon that's wanted to kill the humans for a long time and uses the death of the king and prince to advance that goal.

Cause it's Aaravos' plan.

Viren can't be right because he is talking the alt right kind of sense and I doubt that will be allowed. He is always cold and pragmatic (prob killed the old queen) while the king lives in la la land where its ok to open your doors and give away food even if half your people will starve. none of the other kings backing Viren also shows that doing good does not get you anything and people will use and abandon you, I suspect they will play it off as just not wanting to go with Viren and will go with ezra when the time comes

red dragon did not attack until it was attacked

I'm pretty sure I read something like that in one of the ASoIaF books. Also, I've been reading the wikipedia article on Bastards
>In most national jurisdictions, the status of a child as a legitimate or illegitimate heir could be changed—in either direction—under the civil law: A legislative act could deprive a child of legitimacy; conversely, a marriage between the previously unmarried parents, usually within a specified time, such as a year, could retroactively legitimate a child's birth.
This would mean the child from the previous marriage would no longer be legitimate right?
But whatever, I doubt they will go into that in the series.
Do you think Callum's dad was a noble himself? (considering his mom was probably noble, to be able to marry a prince/king).

While true, it's a clear sign of aggression. You can't have what is essentially a flying tank circling the skies and causing panic and then turn around and claim you're so innocent and that the townspeople are solely to blame. If they wanted a spy they could've had elves moniter the village from afar. Sending a fucking dragon is an act of provocation.

It had no business being in hostile territory. You can't enter enemy airspace without expecting an international incident. Getting attacked just gives them the high ground, but they still fucked up being there at all

maybe its recon, maybe they are smelling Aavaros and only dragons can do it. logically there are tons of things that could have been done, I mean that arrow did not even hit the dragon and it did not go for the tower at first but started burning the town itself. I still suspect the lesson will be that there is often more going on than at first may seem.

They probably just don't want to jump into a potential world war, which is a legitimate concern. The others were just being pussies but lol queen was right

Yeah, that isn't how it works in game of thrones either. A bastard is a child sired out if wedlock, either by cheating on your spouse or by fucking before marriage.

so they could have agreed to mobilize but not to be the first to attack,etc. There were many things they could have said other than "we will do nothing". queen was right but non of them should be going by 1 presentation, where are their own recon forces,etc

Despite this, I can't help but worry that they're going to reveal that all of Xadia's activity was just the Elves and Dragons reacting to the human activity, and that Viren's shadow elves are going to be the succesfull hairtrigger that sets off the humans against the Elves and Dragons, starting the war.

Basically; neither side will really be at fault and it was all due to this one mage and his satan-elf buddy. They just need to unite and fight the real badguy! How conveniently clean and simple.

From their perspective this is still a quarrel between katolis and xadia over a series of regicides. Saying they'll aid Katolis when Xadia has shown no aggression towards them could lead to unwanted escalation. It may already be headed that way, but their position is understandable. They just don't really know the extent of the issue

Nah, it’d be funnier if it was a different one from her. She hates Viren for a lot of reasons, mostly because he won’t follow tradition or procedure, but not just because he rushed the funeral.

I suspect this as well. I hope it not to be true but this is how the shows writers love it. its the other side of "they were all just evil for no reason" spectrum

I don't think that'll happen though. Even if Viren triggered the war, it doesn't change the fact that the humans murdered the king of the dragons in cold blood. It takes two to tango and many people agreed to take the dragon king's life. It honestly seems like bad blood will persist even after start figuring out who's inciting what. The best chance they have is the fact that the two new kings seem to like each other, but it'll likely be the case that the best they can do in the short run is to keep things at the brink. Hell, even then they may not be able to stop it.

Like Jamie will kill Cerci?

Over in the Beauty storytime not long ago, there was a plot point where the king wanted to ditch his first wife and son, so he just claimed his wife had been cheating on him and his son wasn’t really his, thereby no longer recognizing his son as his own and labeling him a bastard. This only works in a society where it is assumed the king will never lie and his word is law.

Seems like something with hisyorical precedent.

I just remembered where I read it. It's when Robb Stark needs to use the bridge that connects the twins, Walter Frey calls one of his sons "bastard", because they're from a previous marriage and not the current one, it's in the second book if I'm not mistake. Maybe it was just Walter Frey being a dick but yeah, maybe there's some legal/traditional support for that in the GoT universe.

its more likely she will kill soren or at least try to hurt him real bad, as a way to show that she started using the dark to help those she loved but eventually it made her not care about anything. Im personally hoping the dark magic won't get a bad rep beyond the one it already had

yeah but him lying does not turn the kid into a bastard. Kings have disinherited their kids for various reason but as it has been pointed out you can only be a bastard if you are born out of wedlock or from an affair. historically a king would not need a convoluted backstory to dump his son from the line, he could do it on a whim. cheating would also need at least some evidence and realistically the king might keep his mouth shut if the wife's family was his strong key supporter

post the passage.

no but you could do try do the edit.
Here is something akin to that though

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>Obvious villain Viren
>Brad Soren
>Azula Claudia

that is some quality art. 10/10 would have on my wall or as my avatar

>no daughter of mine will marry a filthy five-finger
Her parents a worthless jobbers, they can't say shit to her

my memory is bit fuzzy. Was not she in the kill squad to redeem her family honor because her family failed to protect the dragon king/ran away?

>she's drinking her hot brown morning potion
Man I hate normie coffee jokes

Does it even work that way? I don't dink coffee but I have been hoped up on pepsi, seems like the same thing. feel like a god for few days and then crash.

Nah, the book is way too long.

So what is bird Harrow going to do when he finds out his step-son is traveling with(and eventually going to father children with), one of the elves sent to assassinate him?

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If the show was drawn like this, would it take longer for the animators?

k. in the future use bastard correctly.

>Well done, son.

Yes, the speed/cost is the reason this show is 3D.

be chill with it.
it would end up looking like tigtone

>Ruin has come to our family.

>"So, she came here to kill me and Ezran, and you got her to fuck you and end a war instead?"
>"...Son, how do you feel about being a diplomat?"

There's a reason studios loving shoving 3D everywhere, even in 2D animated media -- it's way more time and cost efficient.

Geez, calm down bro, I didn't even say he was a bastard, I was just asking. I'm probably remembering wrong, no need to freak out.

Im calm. hope all of this will help you remember correctly next time.

His whole letter was "Let go of the past, and love and fuck that elf."

Pretty much this.
If you read in between the lines Harrow knew the whole score.
There was a secret message encoded in saying "go to Xadia and knock up every elf you see".

Dive bomb him and poop in his hair.

reminds me of that agata doujin

Revenge factor for the dragon king along with her having serious potential in combat which was noted by runaan

double trips confirm king Harrow Sparrow

suggest more greentexts

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Shop Viren into that.

Third the third panel needs to be Viren.

Something about the deaf general

more viren did nothing wrong
>consequences when?
>elves are flat
>rayla's ass
>rayla's armpits

The lead artist for the series really likes Rayla.

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OI M8
YE GOT A LOICENSE FOR THEM SEVEN SWORDS??

How'd you know I'm a bong?

clearly violating katolan concealed carry laws

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>red dragon is going to have a human from.
Loli or bust

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>Sokka becomes the Avatar
You know it's gonna happen. And it's gonna be glorious.

I think the humans would be more worried about a elf marrying into the royal family.
>king is still a child, years from fathering an heir
>second in line for the throne marries an elf
>knife eared monsters are 1 death and a birth away from taking over the kingdom guarding their border

loli and bust a nut

>People already jumping on the OC train with corrupted elves.

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If she were a noble, it would be an acceptable political marriage. But she doesn't seem to be, so yeah.

Does Rayla have, uh, four toes as well as four fingers. My interest is purely academic.

Apparently elves have four toes.

>Does anyone think that Callum being able to use primal magic

yeah it wouldve added some moral dilemma where he had to choose between no magic or dark magic but nope he just poofs up primal magic and faces no difficulties at all

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they cute

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>tfw America is 6 deaths away from being the head of the English Monarchy

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>6 deaths
Good fucking luck.
When the bongs say "Long live the Queen", they fucking mean it.

My brain doesn't think this is weird.

don't fuck with Queen Lizzie

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Its more that the old bat just fucking refuses to die.
Like holy shit.

corruption fags are ubiquitous.

He could have done some sort of "vegetarian" dark magic where he focuses on using the magical components of plants, fungus, etc and materials of animals that doesn't require killing it like antlers, honey, milk, fur, etc.

I am okay with it.

This actually looks way more natural than the 4-fingered hands, huh.

>tfw we didn't get a cute reverse trap elf
life is suffering

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we did get cute tomboy elf girl, at least

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There's still plenty of chances for that as long as Netflix renews it. We're going deep in elf territory now, there's no telling what kind of kinky shit they get up to when humans aren't around.

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Do the pop culture references piss off anyone else? It's easily the worst thing about the show in my opinion.

Wait, can Dark Magic use non insect or animal life forces?

Actually can Dark Magic use a creature like a sponge?

How did two lesbian queens have a daughter? Magic?

Huh, I'd suck on that no problem.

An ancient spell called "get some guy to cum inside of one of the lesbians"

Hrm, quite problematic then.

According to the Dragon Prince wiki, the healing spell Claudia used to try to heal Soren after the dragon attack had flower petals as a component.

I think when Dark magic uses up a component, the component is effectively destroyed, which is troublesome when it calls for a heart or eyeball or whatever, but if you just clip off some creature's toenail or use a magical sheep's wool and use that for magic, it the animal should be fine.

Biology is a problematic science

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It'll almost certainly be explained that their kid is adopted.

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is asking for a blowjob by doing that tongue thing?

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Is this the new Zutara?

>first think this thicc shiny elf is gonna blow Viren's world
>is a guy
>gets even better

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no, not really

Awww, because I need that.

I'm not going to claim "Viren did nothing wrong," because the dude decides to kill children "for the greater good," goes out of his way to torture folks, etc.

But fucking hell, the people he's surrounded with!

One person after another walking up to him and going "but who cares what you think, you're just a commoner"?

People going "dark magic is super evil" for reasons that don't hold up after five seconds thought. Eating bugs is fine, killing bugs to magically make pancakes taste better is evil? Killing one creature that may not be sentient in order to save thousands is just plain evilbad, not even a "trolly problem" situation?

Someone literally tells him that he mustn't call a council meeting of rulers to discuss a possible army amassing on the border, because only royalty should be allowed call a meeting like that.

Hoooooly crap. He's the badguy, yeah, but if I lived in their universe and had only the information available to the rest of the cast I'd be going "why the fuck is nobody listening to this guy? He's the only sane and sensible person!"

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This. I find myself question some of his means, but overall thinking he’s a reasonable person in a fucked up universe.

Except you're forgetting the fact that human life doesn't have greater value than magical life. In fact, it has far less.

Dark magic is just a flawed shortcut.
Other magic isn't.
No reasoning, we're just expected to accept it. Humans are wrong for thinking "all the other races get magic powers and we don't? That's some bullshit."

If they address some of this crap the show is salvageable. If not, these are glaring flaws in the writing.

Its probably just because it requires killing an animal or something in order to use it. Makes it appear a lot less natural than the other magics. But yeah, if its the only magic humans can naturally use, then why not use it. We still haven't seen them kill a person or an elf to use it.

I still believe that when he told Soren his mission he didn't think Soren would take it so literally. Like, he though Soren would just hide the princes or what ever. Can't imagine Viren telling one of his kids to kill their childhood friends it just doesn't fit..

I would think the soulrot would be the more alarming issue
>its the only magic humans can naturally use
Well seems that isn't true

It doesn't make sense to you that the crazy wizard who challenged his own kings decisions for the "Sake of the Pentarchy" and has actively shown a dislike for Callum and constantly shits on child rulers for being unable to make "Strong Decisions" would orchestrate the deaths of two underaged heirs?

It doesn't make sense that he'd expect his idiot son to go along with it

The idiot son that does everything to please him and who he tried to further bribe with the promise of the throne in his future?

Why does Viren dislike Callum

No it doesn't. He may not like the princes but he hasn't been shown to be that ruthless. Especially, as I said, his son grew up with them. Why would he expect him to kill his childhood friends?

Do you think Viren had it in him to outright kill Harrow?

>further bribe with the promise of the throne in his future

I don't remember that.

He's a Game of Thrones character stuck in a Disney movie.

Can Claudia drain moon juice this way?

Can you imagine a worse fate?

He sees him as an ineffectual weakling and as being a dreamer who doesn't have the seriousness needed to be a good ruler.

He thinks he's a kid with a silver spoon in his mouth who has no clue about the hardships of life, the responsibilities of a crown, and lacks the basic capacity of being an adult despite being a teenager.

>He hasn't been shown to be that ruthless
They showed that he was that ruthless when he sent his son to kill the Princes. Dude dissects and crushes small animals to fuel spells that have debilitating effects on his own body. Viren put recovering the Egg over his own childrens' lives, however much he admired Harrow isn't relevant to how he'll treat his son and step son, particularly when he actively views their continued existence as a threat to Katolis.

That would explain why your opinion of Viren is so knackered.

yes, but it will take all night

Then they aren't her parents.

> constantly shits on child rulers for being unable to make "Strong Decisions"

To be fair, the princess didn't prove him wrong on that one.

"We helped you out just a few years ago. We were going to sacrifice thousands of our people. In the end it got our queen killed and escalated tensions massively. We killed their king in retaliation, they killed our king in retaliation for that... this is all because we selflessly agreed to help you guys."

"Yeah, but the number of our people that might die in this war is greater than the number of people that would have died from starvation."

"...And the number of our people that died is greater than the number that would have died if we'd told you guys to fuck off and starve."

"Yeah, but... maybe if we let them kill you guys they'll be satisfied and leave the rest of us humans alone. Worth a shot."

WHY ARE THEY ACTING LIKE THIS KID IS A GOOD RULER?!?!?

If they legally adopted her and raised her, they are still technically her parents.

She resembles on of them so maybe she's biologically her daughter. Maybe the mother had a relationship with her father before getting remarried later.

Forgot about the soulrot. Okay, yeah. Its a lot more unnatural. And yeah, Callum now has linked with the Sky arcanum, but that was really rare. Its freaking easy for everything else to get a connection to an arcanum.

Which is classic white witch shit so it's totally what Claudia is going to end up being.

Designating someone as your heir even if they're not biologically related to you isn't something they made up for this show.

100% terrible decision on the writer's end.

The soulrot is a good reason, but it's not something most of the cast knows about.

Right now the reasoning is "killing a butterfly to magically make pancakes taste good is bad, because life is sacred or something.

Killing a slug and using magic to make it taste like a pancake is fine though."

That's the reasoning being used for hating on dark magic in-universe. Not "dude, it'll fuck up your soul's arteries."

why you guys space like this? I see anons doing it a lot

Previous marriage.

Only one I've noticed is the Sailor Moon one, and I just can't hate them for having a Moon-powered female hero do the Sailor Moon stance.

Guardians

Reddit

>Killing a slug and using magic to make it taste like a pancake is fine though."
Everyone but the mongrel girl puked it up

That sequence of events was so misrepresented it's not even funny.

Nah they're fine so far. Not like anyone has dabbed yet.

More like Sokka and Ty Lee.

You can still legally adopt a child and have them be your legal heir.

For example, in ancient Rome, Julius Caesar adopted Octavius and named him as his adopted son and heir even though Octavius was actually his great grand nephew.

yes, but it will take all night

Well in my case I was writing (paraphrasing, but still) a conversation. When a different person talks, you move to another line. Beyond that, I think people do more line breaks than necessary when using Yea Forums because they're replying in the popup reply box, which always makes text look more cramped than it does after hitting "post."

He reminds him of one of his greatest personal failures and one of his most bitter rivals.

I do the 'reddit spacing' but I've used reddit like 3 times ever. I just think it's clearer, not everything is connected to your weird website rivalries.

Viren had no proof that an incursion was imminent. He just told a scary story about mean Elves coming to oppress humans and that everyone else should send people to go kill Elves who hadn't done anything to them for years. As a Dark Mage who forged the Kings seal, isn't royalty, and started off the meeting by brow beating everyone into acknowledging his point of view, he's hardly a reliable advocate

No one asked Katolis to kill Thunder for the Queen and the consequences of that action remain the responsibility of Katolis, not the Pentarchy

>Callum now has linked with the Sky arcanum, but that was really rare.
So rare he learned it from a boat captain. Seems the point is it wouldn't be rare if humans didn't choose dark magic instead

Lol, true.

They were grossed out by the knowledge that what they were actually eating was a bug, but didn't go all "THIS IS EVIL!" Heck, some of the things they thought they were eating were meat. So killing an animal to eat it is fine, but killing an animal to make flour-based food taste good is an abomination.

It's just not good sense.

Just started season 2, honesty I thought Rayla was annoying at first but now I think she’s cool and qt and very sweet

Probably has something to do with the killing the animal to make the food taste good taking away the fundamental component of the animal away while partially corrupting your own soul.

Or if humans knew that they even COULD connect to arcanums. My favorite theory is that you need the connection AND the runes/words, but humanity's ability to do primal magic has been erased from history, so the chances of someone having both a connection to an arcanum as well as knowing the appropriate magic sigils(which would seem like totally pointless trivia) is just super low.

"But you owe us" is a poor reason to start a world war over a regicide nobody asked Katolis to commit

>As a Dark Mage

And being the only one in the land who knew how to prevent a famine is a mark against him because...?

It's true that nobody asked Katolis to kill Thunder, but it was a direct response to Thunder killing THREE human monarchs in one go. And the country that got the ball rolling is the one currently going "you think we should stand together? Fuck that shit!"

Viren didn't have proof that an incursion was imminent, but "they just killed our King" is a pretty decent argument for "shit's about to go down." And it's not like he's talking nonsense, the elves ARE on the move. The other rulers easily could have gone "well we won't invade, but we could shore up your defenses since you're on the border." They didn't, they literally sided with the kid going "we might lose more people in war than we were going to lose in famine. The famine you agreed to sacrifice thousands of your people to partially alleviate, to no benefit for your kingdom."

I'm not saying that the guy is 100% in the right, but the show's writers are trying to frame it as him being 100% in the wrong, and that just doesn't add up.

Did Claudia fart

So killing an animal to eat it is fine, but killing an animal to make flour-based food taste good is an abomination.

Yes, because the process of killing the animal to make the flour taste good is abominable.

Animals die, and animals eat animals, it's a natural process that everything takes part in and mutualistically benefits from. Anybody who watched the Lion King knows about the Circle of Life. Every grub that Callum and Co. eat eventually returns to the natural order. Dark Magic isn't a part of the natural processes and it defies the methods by which life sustains itself.

He learned sky magic because he's hanging out with a sky dragon 24/7 you idiot.

Rayla is fucking annoying and moronic. Pretty obvious an incel wrote her lines.

>but it was a direct response to Thunder killing THREE human monarchs in one go.

Three human kings that violated the sovereign borders of Xadia and killed a creature that was under Thunder's protection, at Harrow's suggestion. Don't act like Harrow is somehow noble for overreacting to a problem that he caused.

Even the primal stone contributed more to him figuring out sky magic than Zym did. Shit Zym can't even figure out flying yet

She never stopped. Fun fact about dark magic is it causes gas. Every moment she's been on screen a nearly imperceptible whistle has been in the background. No one notices the smell because it's been weeks since they bathed so their sinuses are shot.

They don't really use the "soul corruption" argument though. They say "it's an abomination." They say "it's wrong to use another creature's life." They say "it's a shortcut."

It would be a lot easier to swallow if every time someone used dark magic the critics were going "oh dude, don't you know that's seriously bad for you? Keep it up and in a few years you'll have soul cancer."

It doesn't even really address the long-term affects of soul-rot as being that bad. Viren's lived long enough to have two damn-near-adult children and provided he has a butterfly a day he seems pretty healthy. And in the meantime he averted a famine. That's not even "pack of cigs a day" bad.

Viren is obviously cheating soul rot with butterflies

>Harrow

Meant to say Viren. I can't keep track of names for shit, which is doubly retarded of me since his name is barely off of "Villain"

Because the endeavor cost the lives of three Queens which directly led to Katolis taking vengeance leading to the complete loss of their royalty where as the other Kingdom had to deal with nobles fucking with their new child ruler until she became capable enough to deal with them. He is now trying to use this fact to further push these Kingdoms into total war with Xadia. His decisions are leading directly the destruction of the Pentarchy

Harrow had just murdered Thunder a year before and literally no violent action had been taken beyond that by the Elves. There is "Something happening on the Border" but that response is likely directly linked to the humans making tow incursions to 1. Kill what may have been an important Magma Titan, and 2. Kill Thunder for defending Xadia's border. Harrow's act of CHARITY does not demand that the other Kingdom give up the lives of it's people in return, that's what makes it charity.

I think the deer thing was just seen as evil because of its implications. What's stopping a dark mage from consuming something larger for a spell, like a human or dragon?

1) I'm not saying they should start a world war, but they swing too far in the other direction, basically telling him that they're not too worried about his kingdom getting attacked.
2) "We'll be really sad as we die" is an even poorer reason to ask the ruler of another country to starve thousands of his people to help you out, for no benefit.

Maybe the debt that Viren was trying to call in wasn't as big as what the famine could've done. But they offered literally nothing but "thanks" in return for averting the famine. That's some BS right there.

Well it does apply to Harrow as much as Viren's. Maybe more

There's an entire monologue in this season telling you that kindness for the sake of kindness is the only path that leads to peace and happiness. Viren trying to call in an act of charity for the sake of warfare and destruction flies in the face of that logic.

Y...es?

He essentially eats a butterfly a day. Pretty much medicine. A really really small price to pay in return for superpowers that end up being used for the benefit of lots of other people.

>it's wrong to use another creature's life
>it's a shortcut
Because that's what they know of it. Elves at large don't practive Dark Magic, they just know it's reviled, and they know that for the immediate effects it has on living things. It takes the fundamental component of their being away.

I mean, Viren is an insane, paranoid, murderous traitor, and "Averting the Famine" has so far led to the death of five Monarchs and now teeters the continent on full out war.

You used viren as an example of long term soul rot. I brought up the butterflies to say he doesn't really count, since he has a treatment

He has a treatment for the superficial effects. From what we know about him, it seems like he was a mostly upright dude at some point and now he's ordering his children to abandon each other to die/murder their childhood friends. I wouldn't be surprised if Soul Rot is part of that.

I don't know how many ways I can rephrase "they shouldn't march off to invade Xadia, but telling him to go to hell when he's afraid his country is about to be attacked is bad too."

And from what we've seen with the Sunfire Elves he's, um... kinda right to be afraid?

There was literally a bunch of elves invading and killing people as he was saying to the kid-ruler "I think the elves are going to invade and kill people."

Like, he might be adding fuel to the fire in how he handles things, but the monarchs are going "fire? What fire? There's no fire."

>He has a treatment for the superficial effects
We don't know the extent of the effects or how much the butterflies treat. It's a big assumption to say it only treats superficial effects

>from what we've seen with the Sunfire Elves
They're defending the border. It's literally what they've been doing for a thousand years. Nothing has changed except how the leadership is interpreting it.

The Moonshadow Elves did the exact same thing the Humans did by Killing Thunder and stealing the Dragon Prince.

I don't feel it's bold to assume that the effects of something called Soul Rot affect a little more than your skin.

>they shouldn't march off to invade Xadia, but telling him to go to hell when he's afraid his country is about to be attacked is bad too
It isn't tho?

>dumb muscly submissive blonde man with a daddy kink
Literally my wet dream.

I'm saying we don't know how much the butterflies actually treat

The other human kingdoms are probably happy enough watching from the sidelines how Katolis and Xadia duke it out. Then they can reap the loser's corpse, like hyenas or vultures.
I'm surprised Swamp Queen was considerate enough to attend the meeting. I bet she doesn't give a fuck about anything, with her little kingdom in her little island.

Possibly. That would be a better argument for why Dark Magic is bad than "it has (easily treatable) ill effects in return for phenomenal power."

There's a lot that can be fixed in the show, the question is if they'll bother to fix it.

They reeeeeaally made a great case for monarchies being a terrible idea right at the start, with Viren literally getting cut off mid-sentence as he tried to take the king's place, getting told "kneel before your king, do not speak to a monarch as if you are his equal, commoner."

It's come up in a few other ways since then. If they address it before the final episode, awesome.

After Voltron (and hell, the equalists in Korra) , I see no reason to go "don't worry, they'll address this" when talking about anyone that worked on Airbender.

Usually when monarchs meet everyone wants to attend for fear what the others will do behind their back

>They're defending the border

Didn't they attack an outpost and kill people to take it over? I'm not crazy, right? That was the whole subplot with Auntie Mute?

It was a human outpost into Xadia.

will Rayla fall into elvish peer pressure and bully Callum

0/10
No mention of Rayla's armpits

Maybe, would be neat if she pretends to have taken him captive to fit in with the other assassin

"General Amaya reports that elven forces are gathering on the Xadian side of the Breach." direct quote from the show.

"There's an army gathering right on the other side of the border" is not a sentence that should be met with replies like "eh, could be nothing."

Viren is messing things up royally, sure. He's rushing in. WE know that, but there's no reason THEY would.

In the context of the universe, his arguments should be getting treated a lot more seriously, not brushed aside. The Xadians are stupidly more powerful than the humans, an army of them amassing on the border of humans' territory should make all the human monarchs crap their pants and AT THE VERY LEAST go "You know what, I'll get my army ready to move, just in case."

This is all right after the Humans had killed Thunder, their main source of protection from human incursions. Of course there are more Elves protecting the Border.

>The Xadians are stupidly more powerful than the humans
On what basis? Elves under Thunder were able to make a pseudo Progrom by forcing humans away from the magical creatures they were using to fuel their Dark Magic, and they still managed to kill their Dragon King down the line.

Elvish Callum soon

Seems kind of unnecessary as long as they have Zym

>watching episode 1 of season 2
>moon bitch is talking about primary and secondary qualities
Wow, never thought I hear fucking epistemology in a children's cartoon.

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I really liked the Don't You Forget About Me one, a lot of people missed it I think.

Royalty is based on lineage. >People going "dark magic is super evil" for reasons that don't hold up after five seconds thought. Eating bugs is fine, killing bugs to magically make pancakes taste better is evil? Killing one creature that may not be sentient in order to save thousands is just plain evilbad, not even a "trolly problem" situation?

>On what basis?

Well, "Elves under Thunder were able to make a pseudo-Progrom."

A small band of moon elves marched in and killed Harrow, easily getting into what was probably the most fortified place in the country.

LOTS of Elves are able to do magic. Near as we can tell there are TWO humans that can.

They have flying steeds, swords that can cut through the finest human armor like a hot knife through butter, illusion-casters, special arrows that can send messages across incredible distances, and more.

Humans got the short end of the stick in this universe.

>Royalty is based on lineage.

I mean, Augustus Caesar was adopted. There's precedent.

Monarchs are obsessed with purity of blood, except when they decide "fuck it, just so long as the little shit has my last name."

Royals make no fucking sense whatsoever, history is a lot easier when you accept that fact.

Only in certain kinds of societies is that kind of adoption seen as being as legitimate as actual blood relatives. Now, obviously if it's literally an adopted CHILD, there is a semi-universality of legitimacy, but usually adult adoptions happen in very martial cultures.

The stupid thing about Dark Magic shaming is the people in these kingdoms are not vegetarians. They literally live every day off murdering animals, like for most of them literally every single day for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

But if someone uses a pig to create a bridge or help levitate a support column into place for a building under construction instead of cutting that pigs throat and turning him into bacon they are somehow evil?

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Don't forget elves' innate superforms.

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>Claiming any of that is a derail

That's... that's just fucking discussing the show.

I mean, aside from the incestshipping, but there's not THAT much of it. Face it, Claudia is "meh" on the hotness scale. Even Rayla barely registers as "pretty hot."

He was adopted but still directly related to Julius Caesar.

I don't get what's so incomprehensible about a sperm donor/ Dark Magic Futa Dick.

Hot

>Only in certain kinds of societies is that kind of adoption seen as being as legitimate as actual blood relatives.

Okay, and this is one of them. It's a vaguely medieval world where elves and dragons drove humanity onto the shitty part of the continent, and lesbians can be monarchs.

"Gosh, I wonder if they'll accept an adopted princess" is kinda the least of the problems.

Fuck man, Game of Thrones answered this question. To paraphrase Queen Cersei the First, "I'm the fucking queen, there's nobody else left standing, I'll fuck whoever the fuck I want and anyone that has a problem with how I get my heir can tell it to the executioner."

her and Amaya gonna be best fucking friends

How the hell do they explain elvish biodiversity? An Elvish Africa?

Just make em all white or all black or all asian or whatever. Don't check off these diversity boxes it's just distracting and dumb.

Magic land?

If a MONARCH was created by a dark magic futa dick, Viren would never have shut up about it. C'mon, you can practically hear Harrow saying in an exasperated voice "yes Viren, I know that Queen Aanya was conceived with a dark magic dick. You don't have to bring it up at every meal, I'm trying to eat my oatmeal here."

>elves can be blue or purple or look like the night sky
>but a black elf, that's just distracting

>Fuck man, Game of Thrones answered this question
That's the series where the King's heir being illegitimate led to a massive war though with all of Cersei's children dying and the living descendant of anotehr Royal Dynasty makes massive progress thanks in no small part to her rock solid bloodline. It directly contradicts your point.

Imagine giving a shit about the skin color "biodiversity" of creatures that can fucking go super-saiyan.

>illegitimate

That's the key word there. The problem was that Cersei conceived a son with someone that wasn't the king, without the king's explicit permission.

It's a very different state of affairs when it's THE monarch making a declaration about who gets to be the heir.

Except that series also has a Targaryan king declaring his bastards legitimate leading to another massive civil war.

I hope they develop a "I'm the only one allowed to kill you, bitch" rivalry.

I'm gonna enjoy these scenes before she has to get put down.

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Fuck yeah

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Being connected to a primal source does some weird shit to your DNA.

Two half-brothers that both had some claim to the throne had a fight, with most of the dying done by the people stuck serving lords who gambled on which side would win. You don't even need one of them to start out illegitimate for that kind of bullshit, royalty will do that at the drop of a hat. Queen Aanya in The Dragon Prince apparently doesn't have to deal with any siblings or uncles/aunts who feel like making a bid for the throne. Not surprising, since in their world killer blue men and dragons aren't an ancient myth, they're those things a couple days' ride away.

I cannot even begin to comprehend how someone could start giving a shit about this.

Why does our biology break your suspension of disbelief in a magical land of magical creatures?

Whats you're point then? Both settings still maintain the legitimacy and authority of "Royal" bloodlines. Aanya still says she had many individuals attempt to depose, influence, or weaken her rule, but she still maintained it.

I guess it's understanding biology, evolution and genetics that does it. I mean, I can suspend disbelief enough to believe in dragons, but not that enough biodiversity would be possible in a landmass of that size to create separate races of humans and elves since for it to happen it would requite genetic isolation over extremely long periods of time, but to help you appreciate how impossible it is I would have to explain how genetically different you are from someone from Sub-Saharan Africa - incredibly different - and since the current zeitgeist is race does not exist at all that's probably like, you know, a big waste of time.

TL;DR - it's impossible. Way more impossible than dragons and magic.

>What's your point then?

That it's pretty silly to claim "royalty can't adopt kids" when talking about a show with dragons, elves, and magic.

>Different gene sequences being dominant in a fictional world is less possible than a 1 tonne reptile sustaining flight and breathing fire.

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>My understand of biology, evolution, and genetics makes it impossible for me to accept dark-skinned elves. But I can accept dragons.

Microbiologist here: fuuuuuuuuck offffffff.

You notice any engineers in here complaining that dragons' wings wouldn't work? No? Because it's a world with magic, we don't have to explain (1) jack, or (2) shit.

But what if you combine 1 and 2 together

There is no reason to think Aanya is adopted when she is introduced and discussed as the Orphan princess of the two Queens and the show has so far shown pretty straightforward if not egalitarian portrayals of monarchy.

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I don't know anything about Sauron other than he's the big bad.

name your favorite chara of this season:
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>You notice any engineers in here complaining that dragons' wings wouldn't work?

Making a dragon that size with workable wings would be factors a magnitude more believable from an engineering standpoint than having African and Caucasian humans evolving on the same landmass with no isolation. The first is difficult but impossible with the right materials, the second is flat out fucking impossible and if you really are a microbiologist you already know that what I'm saying is one hundred percent true.

You remind me of that user who kept asking why the Sun and the Stars counted as two different primal sources, even though they are the same thing.

The amusing thing is this statement is literally true.

>This show is consistent

HA! No, it's not.

Don't get me wrong, Aanya could be biologically the daughter of one of the Queens. Or fuck it, both of them, magic is a thing (although I doubt Viren would have kept his mouth shut about dark magic being a part of her origin if that was the case).

But this is a show that's just not consistent in its writing. It started off with Viren being willing to sacrifice his own life for Harrow, with Harrow giving a speech fit for a villain about how commoners need to shut up and treat royalty as their betters. Then it proceeded to treat monarchies as a good idea. It's a show written by a group of people throwing ideas into a pot together, every once in a while an inconsistency is likely to slip through. Aanya could be biologically the queen, or she could be adopted, the show is not consistent enough in its worldbuilding or morality for us to be certain of authorial intent.

I mean... it's a good point.

Bruh, there's magic. They're able to put THE ESSENCE OF STORMS in a magic 8-ball, then in a person. "But this isn't possible" goes out the window when magic is involved. That's kinda magic's whole deal, making impossible things possible.

The answer is the Dragons.
There is a flavor of Elf for every flavor of Dragon. This is why elves have magic, they have dragons backing them.
There is no Dragon tied with humanity
There is no "Dark Dragon"
Dragons hate humans for having magic without having a need for them.
The elves say dark magic is evil because it's an excuse for them to keep being twats to humans after humans have proven themselves. It's simple racism and keeps them from turning on eachother.

Not even close. One just requires the dominant allele to simply carry different information than a conventional human allele would. The other requires a substantial shift in aerodynamic properties and physics.

>There is no "Dark Dragon"
I have a strong feeling this post is gonna end up being really wrong down the line

None of those are inconsistencies. Harrows anger at Viren is because his adviser is repeatedly overstepping his bounds to push Dark Magic "solutions", advice he took which led to the death of his wife and is now resulting in the King's own death. On the eve of what is going to be Ezran taking the throne, it was evident Viren needed to learn his place. Which he evidently has not. The benevolent dictator is objectively the best possible form of government.

The logic is simple. The elves connection to the specific arcanum of their breed has had an impact on their genetics. I can imagine magic has a radiation like effect on genetics. It would certainly explain the insane, seemingly impossible range of attributes seen in some creatures present in the DPverse, there's at least one species of bird that requires it's arcanum to fly. Why wouldn't it have similar effects on sentient creatures? Hell, even dark magic has been shown to have an effect on appearance, albeit temporary, but who's to say that after millennia of breeding these sort of traits could not be passed down.
Certainly more believable than multi-tonne flying lightning breathing sentient lizards that know their own name before being born

Now this is the kind of conversation I can get behind.

>Dark Magic "solutions", advice he took which led to the death of his wife
No, Harrow's retardation led to the death of his wife. Disregarding the fact of why the fuck would you bring 4 monarchs on a potential suicide mission, he didn't have to help the other kingdom, and definitely shouldn't have if comes at the cost of his own subjects, and even then, he didn't have to take the dark magic option, but he did.

>overstepping his bounds

He specifically downdresses Viren not just for offering a dark magic solution but for daring to speak to him as a "friend" and not a superior form of life (by virtue of royal blood). Considering they went out of their way to show Viren saying goodbye to his kids and had him stammering and going "that's not what I meant," it's pretty hard to believe that they intended Harrow to be viewed as being in the right for his "monarchs are better. Kneel, peasant" speech.

And yet after that they don't present monarchy as anything but a good idea.

It's a bit of an inconsistency dude.

So let me get this straight.

Harrow decided it was wrong to have someone pretend to be the king and die in his stead. Because that would be sacrificing someone else for his life.

But he was okay with making a "heroic last stand" among a crowd of his guards, at least some of whom would get killed in the battle?

This. I could maybe understand Viren going but there is no reason that 4 monarchs should have ever gone on such a quest.

>and definitely shouldn't have if comes at the cost of his own subjects

Well not necessarily. I mean, provided in the long run the neighboring country remembers its debt and doesn't go "sorry, pass" when asked to give assistance in the face of an impending catastrophe.

user you dont understand, its dark magic. that means its evil, and ill kill 1000 good men before i let some two-bit dark wizard fuck save my kingdom for me

assuming either of these two royal families still exist after letting famine ravage their land, and weren't summarily overthrown and beheaded a month into winter.

To be fair, the humans in this universe are "it's a sin to treat the assassination of a ruler as an emergency and not mourn for a week"-level stupid.

yeah fair enough

And so stupid that the only ones learning magic are one dude and his daughter.

Dark magic isn't a source Jesus Christ

That's the point user.

*shrugs* It's a parody of the things that pop up in these threads, I'm not saying these threads actually get derailed.

>Caring about skin color in a world where a non-human, almost-human, four-digeted, horned, knife-eared, hundred-year-living, lava-blooded race evolved pulled off convergent evolution alongside humanity

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>not caring about race when literally every other creature in the world does