what the fuck
What the fuck
Cooper Powell
Jordan Peterson
it's a big drill what's the hubbub about
the grappling hook tanks were more eyebrow raising
Lucas Carter
Look, man. China did some pretty crazy shit in wartime back in the day. A giant ass drill is pretty tame considering it's a warring states parallel.
Bentley Hill
when did they have time to build this shit?
Gavin Perry
nigga the drill was like 100x the size of anything else the Fire Nation built
hell it's bigger than any of the boring machines we've ever built even with modern tech
the grappling tanks were pretty bullshit too though
and the Fire Nation taking the small war balloon and somehow engineering an armada of gigantic, far more complex metal zeppelins
Jaxson Long
considering how none of ba sing se's military even bothered to participate in the war, id say alot.
Logan Rogers
You couldnt stay in the other 2 threads you made, faggot?
Julian Wright
id imagine earth nation anti air would be pretty good
Christopher Kelly
how can earth nation even compete?
Hudson Hughes
That was a good episode. Got to see tai li and azula play in the premature ejeculated mud.
Samuel Anderson
the big thing is materials, the fire nation is made up of a shit ton of volcanoes so i guess they could've force them to spew out more iron rich magma or some bullshit hence why they were able to build it. zeppelins were bullshit though
Jacob Murphy
>when did they have time to build this shit?
They'd probably been working on it ever since Iroh abandoned his assault on Ba Sing Se, and Ozai became Fire Lord. Think about it: Ozai oversaw and promoted a ton of technological military advancement during his reign, and creating a massive weapon to succeed where his brother had failed would probably be a passion project for him.
Jaxson Powell
well balloons and zeppelins are nothing alike in how they work, so id guess that the zeppelins were already in the works. either that or they just put a fuckton of development into it.
Jose Cruz
Wait, scratch that. Apparently that inventor guy came up with it, and it only took 2 years to construct.
Liam Kelly
the inventor guy made the balloon, not the drill IIRC.
Matthew Powell
The drill's design can be seen on the walls of his workshop.
Owen Flores
Juan Gonzalez
really? im gonna have to watch that episode again then.
Tyler Price
I think it's an Easter Egg where you can see the drill designs he's working on in that episode, "The Northern Air Temple".
Ian Harris
who's the greatest inventor in Avatar
the mechanist
Asami's papa
or Varrick
Bentley Hall
the mechanist made the first submarines based on a childish concept sketch so that earns him respect in my book
Zachary Johnson
im gonna go ahead and say the mechanist
Robert Williams
imagine if the fire nation got the submarine first.
fire bender U-boats would pretty much mean an end to any naval contest.
Adam Evans
Did Sato invent the engine?
Parker Garcia
technically that was around during sozin's time.
Elijah Lewis
No, he invented the automobile
The Fire Nation already invented the engine in ATLA
Nathaniel White
the the fire navy ships use gas or coal? i forget.
Levi Davis
>they just have jet skis in one episode
fuck Painted Lady
we see them shoveling coal I'm pretty sure
Christian Murphy
Coal
James Nguyen
yeah, but those tiny ones clearly use gas, so im not sure.
Benjamin Lewis
I don't remember if we see them shoveling coal in regular old ships
but the bullshit zeppelins we do
Aiden Gonzalez
The world of avatar suddenly has to deal with the arrival of the Russian Federation.
Tyler Torres
Russian Federation loses
Samuel Rogers
fire nation soot aint got shit on the kuznetsov
Eli Edwards
what the fuck, I don't remember this. That's really awful. You wouldn't have technology like this without steam engines being ubiquitous first.
Henry Moore
they already did have the steam engine. thats what their ships use.
Gabriel Harris
actually the jet skis appeared in The Day of Black Sun pt 1 too
Jack Butler
Looks like your mom's dildo is ready.
Brody Morales
Say again?
>Aang flies to russian Ship
>"BLYAT! Commander! FLYING CHILD!"
>"IS LIKE METRO 2033! FIRE!"
>Aang is shot. The avatar is dead.
Now about the Fire nation.
>"Now that flying demon child is dead."
>"Blow them out of the water."
>Proceeds to kill all of them with guns
Benders will fail against guns and Russian drunkenness.
Tyler Morales
ah, but you fail to factor in russias notorious naval incompetence. see the entirety of the Russo-Japanese war.
Luke Rivera
>Russo-Japanese war was pre-ww1
That has nothing to do with the modern russian navy. They also would be fighting against a enemy without guns.
Dylan Anderson
well the modern russian navy isnt doing much better. on the kuznetsovs only deployment they had to disembark all of its aircraft because conditions were too hard for carrier ops, and then during refit their drydock got sunk by a crane while they were putting in a new boiler.
Blake Stewart
At the point of where Aang woke up the war had basically already been won
the Northern Water Tribe is doing absolutely nothing
this also goes for most Earth kingdom villages and cities where they would just sit on their ass doing absolutely nothing and eventually get conquered.
the Southern Water Tribe is basically a joke only having a dozen men at best fighting the war
Air Temples are all decimated
They probably had all the time in the world to build a massive drill for the fun of it.
Jack Gonzalez
>all of these military gains were erased by Ozai because he had the ego of an arab dictator
now i know why azulon told him to fuck off when he asked for the throne.
Kevin Rodriguez
dumb frogposters
Blake Butler
that is a stomp, they would have trouble with ww2 Germany, let alone a modern nation like Russia
Jayden Bennett
>WHAT IF THE FANTASY WORLD GOT BOMBARDED BY 57MM CANNONS
Children, please.
Jaxon Taylor
wasn't Sozins original plan that startet the war "sharing the greatness" by setting up colonies? Destroying everything except fire nation seemed to be what only Ozai made out of the situation.
Isaac Cook
>They probably had all the time in the world to build a massive drill for the fun of it.
Basically. They had all sorts of tech. Freezers, jet skis, gargantuan drills, multiple different types of ships, prisons built out at sea, etc
And there's a couple times that it almost looks like they have light bulbs because they had lanterns, some light posts, and a lighthouse, but it's certainly possible and probably more likely that those were simply using fire like all the other light sources we see
Leo Carter
John Morales
Those are probably gas-lanterns.
Bentley Young
It's really, really handy to be able to generate combustion at will with no effort at all, isn't it?
Isaiah Smith
This, children, is what happens when you don't have many warm water ports
Samuel Parker
duh, why didn't I think of that
Jason Cox
Indeed
Ryan Perry
nukes mean the russia wins, no matter what.
without nukes, it really depends on if the Earth Empire can train enough metal benders, and if they can stop bullets.
Eli Hill
Would Aang and friends still have been able to win if the Fire Nation had already undergone the Industrial Revolution and invented/refined gunpowder?
Charles Gray
oh fuck off, the drill was nowhere near as out of place as this monstrosity
Daniel Roberts
no. They wouldn't be able to detect and/or deflect sniper fire.
Ayden Nguyen
It absolutely was user. We've not even built a drill as big as the Fire Nation's drill, and they somehow built theirs in just two years at their level of tech
Jace Turner
Jeez, it's as if it's the first time you've seen a giant mechanical dick.
Mason Wood
if the Fire Nation had a little more time they would have probably made their cannons more widespread
definitely would have lost then
Ryan Taylor
all things considered, the fire nation should've definitely not lost lmao
Cameron Bailey
literally the only reason they lost is because Ozai was stupid
Should've used Sozin's comet to raze the Northern Water Tribe and attack any remaining Earth Kingdom holdouts.
With the amount of fire he created on his own or even the fire all his firebenders in the other zeppelins combined that wouldn't have been an issue at all
Matthew Flores
Imagine if Aang woke up 1000 years later instead of 100
Austin Phillips
Any mathfags ever get on this? Looks like Ozai alone could power a modern city for decades
Angel Evans
With that little thing? A 10 MW generator is probably more powerful.
Evan Bell
I don't know how they would deal with aircraft but let's not continue this. Don't want the thread being modern earth vs the world of Avatar
Mason Wilson
The drill was specifically designed and built to overwhelm the Earth Kingdom's impressive defenses.
And the Fire Nation had a massive benefit when it came to engineering and material sciences due to being able to magically power smelters and other heat-driven industrial systems. Lavabending is apparently pretty rare and old Toph separating the poison out from Korra implies that even an immensely skilled metalbender would have trouble purifying elements, especially on a massive industrial scale. Firebenders merely have to set up the process and take turns powering it for continuous large-scale production.
Henry Brooks
Cringey slavboo
Jonathan Thompson
I don't into math but based on how it made a high pitched whistle before he set it loose and the sound it made as it tore across the ground I'd say he'd easily generate that much power
John Adams
>hell it's bigger than any of the boring machines we've ever built even with modern tech
If the tanks on the side are 4 meters long, then that drill tank looks like ~160 meters long, and that puts it on par with the size of nuclear powered ballistic missile launcher submarines. Which exist today. And they use millions of different parts; a drill bit in comparison is really simple, it would just take a ludicrous amount of iron ore to make.
Besides, that drill was built to be the tipping point weapon of a 100 year long war, so it's not that far fetched. For all we know, they spent 50 years hoarding iron and welding it together.
This drill is not impossible, even if it would take insane lengths to build. But we know that the fire nation had that kind of dedication, they committed genocide at least twice and attempted a third one just throughout the series.
Kuvira sieging the city with a custom built Evangelion was far more ridiculous.
Aiden Williams
And it got destroyed by 4 kids
Carson Butler
>If the tanks on the side are 4 meters long, then that drill tank looks like ~160 meters long, and that puts it on par with the size of nuclear powered ballistic missile launcher submarines. Which exist today. And they use millions of different parts; a drill bit in comparison is really simple, it would just take a ludicrous amount of iron ore to make.
Okay, but could we build anything near as big as those with mid-1800s technology? No?
>Besides, that drill was built to be the tipping point weapon of a 100 year long war, so it's not that far fetched. For all we know, they spent 50 years hoarding iron and welding it together.
We know it only took? 2 years to build it. Not 50. Not to mention they have literal hundreds of rather large ships made of iron, hundreds if not thousands of tanks presumably made of iron, they managed to build a whole armada of zeppelins presumably made of iron too. It's not like they were putting all their effort into this for decades.
>Kuvira sieging the city with a custom built Evangelion was far more ridiculous.
It quite literally isn't.
Landon Morgan
>all things considered, the fire nation should've definitely not lost lmao
They lost to a decapitation strike. Avatar depowered their leader and Zuko took over and stopped the war.
Xavier Butler
>taking a drill and making it BIG is as realistic as a fucking mecha
fuck off
Luis Brooks
No. There's no way you can convince me that the Fire Nation building a gigantic drill(way bigger than even the biggest one we've ever built with modern technology and modern engineering) at their level of tech is any more unrealistic than Kuvira building a mecha. Because there's simply no argument.
The Fire Nation gets a pass for unrealistic shit, Kuvira should get one too, especially since Kuvira built her mech in a time after they'd gone through a massive industrial revolution.
Elijah Robinson
why would we need to build a large drill?
it's not like were besieging a wall or anything.
Jack Hill
making tech BIG isnt hard. there is literally a sub in Spain right now that turned into one of the biggest designed subs in history just cause they made a mistake and had to increase its size. A bigger machine is not a desirable machine. It usually means that it's costs outweigh its benefits or its not structurally viable.
There is a big difference between a drill and making it big to a giant fucking robot. For one, robots need to balance themselves and we've spent decades with state of the arch computer technologies around the globe trying to develop AI just so the fucking things dont fall over.
Literally any developed nation today could produce a giant drill. We've seen giant industrial projects like large steam powered ships built for nealy a century now.
It isn't realistic for any nation in the Avatar world to build any kind of large industrial project like that because no civilization at their tech level could realistically get their hands on that much iron ore to begin with. It's about suspending your disbelief and a giant fucking AI powered robot is a lot harder to believe than a drill but big.
Ryan Rogers
>Okay, but could we build anything near as big as those with mid-1800s technology? No?
It's a couple of giant metal rings and a spiralling drill bit. Not that hard to construct, it just takes a shit load of materials and workers. The Eiffel Tower built in 1889 was twice the size, and it is a complex architectural achievement, not twenty O rings welded together.
>We know it only took? 2 years to build it.
Again, Eiffel Tower took 2 years to build, and without the help of magical people who can generate enough fire to weld shit together themselves.
The only part I question is whether they had enough iron ore, but given that the Fire Nation was clearly rich in high quality iron ore (unlike Japan which it is based upon), this isn't a problem.
>they have literal hundreds of rather large ships made of iron, hundreds if not thousands of tanks presumably made of iron,
Japan in WW2 managed to do that, and as far as I know they have shit iron ore, so they either relied on imports or with modern manufacturing they managed to fix that. Not to mention Germany building thousands of tanks and hundreds of submarines, etc.
>It quite literally isn't.
We barely have robotics capable of 2-leg locomotion TODAY.
Kuvira somehow had a 200 meter tall mecha that didn't trip itself up, built out of 1930s tech. There was no indication whatsoever that anyone in the series was working on anything robotics related either. Then suddenly, Megatron shows up and starts shooting up a city.
It was a huge bullshit moment not because it was scientifically impossible, but because they gave absolutely zero clues in the series itself that this is something they are working on. They only showed the fairy powder powered railguns, and that had nothing to do with building a robot of that size, that can WALK on its own power (something we can't do today).
Bentley Nguyen
For digging tunnels, of course?
en.wikipedia.org
This is the biggest one we've built, but it pales in comparison to the size of the Fire Nation one, both in height and in length
>making tech BIG isnt hard. there is literally a sub in Spain right now that turned into one of the biggest designed subs in history just cause they made a mistake and had to increase its size. A bigger machine is not a desirable machine. It usually means that it's costs outweigh its benefits or its not structurally viable.
>There is a big difference between a drill and making it big to a giant fucking robot. For one, robots need to balance themselves and we've spent decades with state of the arch computer technologies around the globe trying to develop AI just so the fucking things dont fall over.
So then there's no issue, right? Because the world of Avatar already has mechas. Hiroshi had some rudimentary ones in Season 1(that later saw use in Season 2 as well and made a guest appearance in Season 4) and Varrick redesigned Hiroshi's from the ground up to make the Earth Empire mechas.
Bentley Fisher
Building one drill bit whose job is to spin in 1 direction is actually fairly simple, there's zero complexity, you just need the industry base. However it would be pretty wasteful considering the amount of power you'd need to make that shit spin around when pressed against a giant metal wall. Hundreds of smaller drills would be more efficient.
Building a fucking Gundam is completely different and retarded for several reasons. One is that we don't have any ways to make 2-leg robotic locomotion even today. The other is that the human shape is impractical at that size due to the square cube law; the legs couldn't take that kind of strain. If it was a 200 meter tall Johnny 5, even that would have been more believable.
And yes, I know Japan built a real life Gundam, but that was a statue with a rotating head, it wasn't capable of walking around. And if it's static in one position, then it can be reinforced to stay still like that.
Juan Moore
Y'know what's the strangest thing, these zeppelins weren't burning any outposts or cities, they were literally flying over buttfuck of nowhere setting on fire a forest and a canyon for no reason
Christian Green
iirc those were just powered suits of armour. Think Iron Man, not Gundam.
Nicholas Brooks
that's equally as bad desu, power armour also requires pretty advanced tech we haven't mastered to this day.
Aiden Rogers
>It's a couple of giant metal rings and a spiralling drill bit. Not that hard to construct, it just takes a shit load of materials and workers. The Eiffel Tower built in 1889 was twice the size, and it is a complex architectural achievement, not twenty O rings welded together.
The Eiffel Tower is a stationary building. The Drill is a tunnel boring machine meant to travel a long distance and stand up to the stress of drilling through a thick layer of solid rock
>The only part I question is whether they had enough iron ore, but given that the Fire Nation was clearly rich in high quality iron ore (unlike Japan which it is based upon), this isn't a problem.
Dude the Avatar world must be filled to the brim with iron ore, because the Fire Nation used it for basically everything and just the 100+ ships we saw in S1 for the Siege of the North would've taken an astronomical amount of iron
>Japan in WW2 managed to do that, and as far as I know they have shit iron ore, so they either relied on imports or with modern manufacturing they managed to fix that. Not to mention Germany building thousands of tanks and hundreds of submarines, etc.
Yeah, in WW2. After the discovery of electricity, and after the means of production had already vastly improved.
>We barely have robotics capable of 2-leg locomotion TODAY.
So? We don't have tanks capable of climbing mountainsides, reattaching when knocked off, and also capable of rotating their chassis to be right side up if flipped over either.
>Kuvira somehow had a 200 meter tall mecha that didn't trip itself up, built out of 1930s tech. There was no indication whatsoever that anyone in the series was working on anything robotics related either. Then suddenly, Megatron shows up and starts shooting up a city.
Did you just ignore Hiroshi's mechs in Season 1, or Kuvira's smaller mechs in Season 4?
Anthony Morales
>Building one drill bit whose job is to spin in 1 direction is actually fairly simple, there's zero complexity, you just need the industry base. However it would be pretty wasteful considering the amount of power you'd need to make that shit spin around when pressed against a giant metal wall. Hundreds of smaller drills would be more efficient.
I'm not saying that the machine is necessarily super duper complex per se. But at an approximate 1800s tech level, the Fire Nation built a tunnel boring machine that is magnitudes larger than any one we've built today with our modern engineering
For comparisons sake, this is a tunnel boring machine we had in 1875. Compare that to the absolute monstrosity that is the Fire Nation's drill
>Building a fucking Gundam is completely different and retarded for several reasons. One is that we don't have any ways to make 2-leg robotic locomotion even today. The other is that the human shape is impractical at that size due to the square cube law; the legs couldn't take that kind of strain. If it was a 200 meter tall Johnny 5, even that would have been more believable.
Again, the World of Avatar has already designed mechas that can walk, not to mention the Fire Nation had tanks that do shit we can't.
Bentley Bailey
korra was a mistake./thread
Nathan Bell
>Dude the Avatar world must be filled to the brim with iron ore, because the Fire Nation used it for basically everything and just the 100+ ships we saw in S1 for the Siege of the North would've taken an astronomical amount of iron
Not astronomical, no. In fact not even that much more than what we had in the 19th century. The only point here is that the Avatar world seems smaller, but then the fire nation has control over all of it minus Ba Sing Se, so if large deposits of iron exist, then they have a good change of sitting on them.
>Yeah, in WW2. After the discovery of electricity, and after the means of production had already vastly improved.
Fire Nation is sitting on volcano islands and has people who can literally weld metal themselves without any equipment. And they have people who can hand wave lightning into the air.
They already proved they have enough industrial base to do this given their giant tank and ship fleet, so a drill is not that impossible.
>We don't have tanks capable of climbing mountainsides, reattaching when knocked off, and also capable of rotating their chassis to be right side up if flipped over either.
Because we never had a reason to build them. But I'm sure that they wouldn't be too hard to build, as long as you don't go full Nazi and try making them weight 100 tons.
>Did you just ignore Hiroshi's mechs in Season 1, or Kuvira's smaller mechs in Season 4?
No, I just forgot about them because I haven't seen this trainwreck of a show in ten years.
but anyway, you are discussing the scientific possibility of a real life gundam robot, in a show where people can make tornados or move rocks or throw lightning around with a wave of their hand.
Kayden Rivera
They're referred to in the show as mecha suits, and they were designed to be advanced versions of Hiroshi's mecha tanks from Season 1.
Not sure if you could really call them just power armor, they're not just armor pieces you put on yourself, they're a separate thing that you climb into
Nolan Taylor
why do you keep coming back to the this idea we havent made bigger drills? We've made massive drills that also lay tunnels. There's been no need for any larger drills nor would a drill meant to go through a single, relatively thin wall need any of the fancy shit drills meant to go underground have.
it's still a much bigger leap in tech than a big drill though.
Jack Morgan
The big problem with tech on that scale is you can't get the energy needed to power it. The actual mechanisms that generate power from a water wheel to a nuclear reactor are essentially the same spinning turbine. It's just one is capable of more than the other.
The fire nation has every individual soldier and weapon user capable of generating power more efficiently than any power source of that era and fairly clean.
Leo Taylor
>Not astronomical, no. In fact not even that much more than what we had in the 19th century. The only point here is that the Avatar world seems smaller, but then the fire nation has control over all of it minus Ba Sing Se, so if large deposits of iron exist, then they have a good change of sitting on them.
>Fire Nation is sitting on volcano islands and has people who can literally weld metal themselves without any equipment. And they have people who can hand wave lightning into the air.
We see them using essentially slave labor to build their ships
>Because we never had a reason to build them. But I'm sure that they wouldn't be too hard to build, as long as you don't go full Nazi and try making them weight 100 tons.
The Fire Nation tanks seem to be entirely built out of iron, and chan that keeps them attached to the rock and allows them to climb surely would be having trouble bearing that weight, especially when they were reattaching
>No, I just forgot about them because I haven't seen this trainwreck of a show in ten years.
The show ended a little over 5 years ago user...
>but anyway, you are discussing the scientific possibility of a real life gundam robot, in a show where people can make tornados or move rocks or throw lightning around with a wave of their hand.
So you agree that the show is inherently fantasy and that there's no reason they can't build a mech?
Evan Gray
Elijah Cruz
There was far more stupid bullshit in The Drill than the unrealistic progression of technology
Like the fact that it's supposed to be a major battle in a 100 year war where the Fire Nation is looking to breach the Earth Kingdom capital's last line of defense yet the fighting we see has a two nonbender teenage girls with no armor and no war experience effortlessly taking down Ba Sing Se's strongest earthbending platoon all by themselves, all while quipping about how they don't like getting dirty.
Then the general in charge of defending the city surrenders command to four kids he just met which then proceed to destroy the fucking drill without any help from Earth Kingdom soldiers since Toph is apparently enough to slow down the largest war weapon ever created.
Levi Morgan
>Aang ended up doing the same thing Ozai was gonna do
Jacob Sanders
A giant machine like this actually fits. It's crude and serves a simple purpose and is run by hundreds of people. And then you have that futuristic looking mech in Korra that walked on two legs and had a goddamn arm cannon. At that point you might've well had Korra call down her Gundam from her hidden skybase for the finale.
Brayden Wood
A FUCKING
RAMP
Connor Jones
>why do you keep coming back to the this idea we havent made bigger drills?
Because you keep coming back to this idea that we haven't made mechas. Part of my point here is the Fire Nation already built ridiculous shit(the tanks, the drill, the zeppelins) with a relatively low tech level. Kuvira is simply continuing that trend.
>We've made massive drills that also lay tunnels. There's been no need for any larger drills nor would a drill meant to go through a single, relatively thin wall need any of the fancy shit drills meant to go underground have.
The Fire Nation Drill is the same type of drill that we used to dig those tunnels user. AKA tunnel boring machines. The TBMs we built at approximately the same tech level(mid 1800s) were pretty much the size of their tanks, if not a bit smaller. The largest TBM we've built is still smaller than the one they built at a much more basic tech level
Bentley Robinson
>Then the general in charge of defending the city surrenders command to four kids he just met
One of which is the Avatar, who is like the Pope and Superman rolled into one, as far as the cartoon is concerned.
Toph being bullshit overpowered is a thing, but what do you expect from anime.
Lucas Perez
>we haven't made mechas
are you for real
Ian Davis
Show me a working mecha that we've built that is at the same level of the Mecha suits that Kuvira's army uses, or Kuvira's giant mecha
Aaron Williams
>Not only is making a tank walk on two legs a technical nightmare, but there's no point in making a walking tank to begin with. Putting legs on a tank would raise its clearance, increasing its frontal projection area. It'd also be less stable. Suppose the legs help the tank travel bad roads... I don't see the logic in that. Isn't that what treads are for?
Mechas aren't widespread irl because of how fucking impractical they are and how it'd be far better to spend resources on tanks and air strikes instead.
They just look cool in tv shows because they allow for giant fights and for the protagonists to show off how great they are at piloting the giant robot rather than just having an army nuke or bomb whatever threat there is.
Sebastian Wilson
>Mechas aren't widespread irl because of how fucking impractical they are and how it'd be far better to spend resources on tanks and air strikes instead.
So where are these mechas that supposedly exist and are at the same level as the mechas in TLOK?
Kayden Roberts
Thats the dildo your mum ordered.
Isaac Collins
Uchiha clan vs Fire Nation who wins?
Option 1
>comet is always in the air/no Madara/no Sauce
Option 2
>comet is always in the air/Sauce is present
Option 3
>comet is always in the air/Uchihas are not present, Madara stands alone
Andrew Gomez
>Fire Nation looks in their eyes
>Nothing personal kid
Connor Sanchez
>So then there's no issue, right?
There is though since we didn't see any actual mecha like things until season 4, which is where people a complaining about a huge and unrealistic technology jump.
Hiroshis "mechs" were a different design of forklifts with independant arms, they didn't even have legs.
Noah Sanchez
How is it in any way unrealistic when the Fire Nation did essentially the same thing with the war balloons vs zeppelin's
>Hiroshis "mechs" were a different design of forklifts with independant arms, they didn't even have legs.
Hiroshi's mechs were already humanoid, they were well on their way to becoming full mechs.
Wyatt Sullivan
I wonder what would've happened if Aang never woke up.
>Katara dies in a raid
>Sokka and Hakoda imprisoned at the Boiling Rock for life
>Zuko and Iroh spend their life in a fruitless endeavor
>Toph never becomes relevant
Kayden Butler
Look them up you net illiterate manbaby
Joshua Hughes
What does zeppelins and balloons have to do with Kuvira building a retardedly big mech? And fyi we do have both working zeppelins and Balloons and have had for years.
>they were well on their way to becoming full mechs.
Not even close. Hiroshi mechs are a rotating torso with independant arms, and they have tracks. their "legs" dont even move as they just drive around. It's not a bipedal humanoid shaped and functioning mech. And even worse they upped it to having flying mechs, with wings instead of engines while having perfectly functioning airplanes.
Leo Russell
with the power of fire metallurgy becomes much easier, i dont get what is the problem.
fire nation certainly already knew the properties of steam before any other nation.
Philosophers in ancient Rome knew that pressurized steam was capable of generating force.
Brayden Walker
I think it's more likely Katara going to the Rock and Sokka/Hakoda dying in raids.
Nathaniel Powell
that's not how technology works
William Fisher
Does an upper limit to Firebending exist? Like how high could one go with it? Could they eventually use Lightning for more than zapping people?
Anthony Butler
>dies
Learns to like the taste of Fire Nation cock, you mean.
Jordan Scott
based user
Noah Howard
I like to image theres much more things that can be done with all elements, but that requires doing what Iroh did and learning with other nations. Like an airbender could send compressed air blasts if he studied the firebenders moves.
Jose Kelly
Like, I don't get it. Couldn't anyone just bend the earth beneath the drill and topple it or bury it underground?
Juan Perry
This was my first episode that introduced me to Avatar when I was a kid. The anime aesthetics drew me away but my mom was hooked. When I saw her watching this scene it drew me in. What I thought was a fantasy cartoon had a fucking sci-fi weapon in it.
I asked her what it was and because of her accent I thought she said "Grill." My kid mind thought "Oh fuck they're gonna burn everyone behind that wall alive this show is metal as fuck!" and I sticked by to watch.
Turned out I was kinda right. They did want to burn people alive, but with magic instead of the drill.
Matthew Ortiz
The most convenient thing would be to bend off a half-million ton chunk of their 1000' tall superwall and drop it down atop the drill like an unstoppable meteor. I mean, then that small section is only 900' tall, but I'm guessing EK can repair that faster than FN can rebuild a superweapon.
Nicholas Scott
>five Earthbenders could take on the drill in the show
>in the movie the same amount of benders do overly elaborate tai chi to move one stone
Easton Jackson
>"drilling" the "wall"
>giant fucking cumshot
How did they get away with it
Logan Wood
All I’m getting from this is that OP is a retarded weeb who thinks a half kilometer tall mecha made from pure fucking platinum is somehow just as realistic as... a large drill made of iron?
Jonathan Stewart
>just two years
Citation needed
Chase Cox
I mean, Korra shows Lightning bending being used in power plants, however that works
Jonathan Butler
Their illusions wouldn't work on non-chakra people but they all know the secret behind asspull-no-jutsu and proceed to wipe the FN.
Zuko is the only one unaffected due to his good character arc and curbstomps the Uchiha and especially Sauce while gloating, "This is what you could have been."
Dylan Hall
>Zuko
>not jobbing
Ian Martinez
Zuko doesn't job when it comes to being a good character.
Sebastian Wilson
Nah I think victorian era Britain is a far greater threat
Charles Peterson
looks like a mega vibrator
Angel Jackson
Angel Diaz
>What does zeppelins and balloons have to do with Kuvira building a retardedly big mech?
The Fire Nation took a small war ballon that had only recently been innovated(they hadn't even gotten the blueprints for it) into a whole armada of zeppelins in just a few months. The zeppelins were far more complex mechanically than the balloon they stole, which didn't even have its furnace. That's a huge and unrealistic technological leap, just like the mechs were from Hiroshi's to Kuviras
>And fyi we do have both working zeppelins and Balloons and have had for years.
No shit sherlock. No one said we hadn't. That's not the point here.
>Not even close. Hiroshi mechs are a rotating torso with independant arms, and they have tracks. their "legs" dont even move as they just drive around. It's not a bipedal humanoid shaped and functioning mech.
It's a humanoid shaped mech that uses tank treads. No, it's not bipedal, but it's already well on its way to becoming a mech.
Brody Bailey
from the now-deleted Nickelodeon.com pages for the show back when it was airing
>Originally designed by the Mechanist at the Northern Air Temple, this metal drill was created for the sole purpose of penetrating Ba Sing Se. It took Fire Nation laborers over two years to construct.
>The drill is larger than some villages. It’s so big that it actually houses an entire brigade of Fire Nation engineers, who are needed to make repairs and clean out the pipelines. Several metal support beams connect the protective outer shell of the drill to its engine inside. As the drill digs into an earthen structure, the rock is chewed up and turned into SLURRY- a disgusting mixture of rock and water that is dispensed into pipes and dumped out of the rear of the drill.
Brandon Watson
>I didn't pay attention: The post
The plan was to burn the entire Earth kingdom to the ground from one end to the other and shatter their resolve. Team Avatar just stopped them before they could get too far.
Leo Foster
>>Originally designed by the Mechanist
Maybe if this guy hadn't sold all of his inventions to the Fire Nation in order to be allowed to LARP as an airbender then the Earth Kingdom might have stood a chance in the war.
Colton Allen
War time R&D can be pretty damn efficient.
Gabriel Jackson
>They could've just invaded Ba Sing Sae with an Air Fleet instead of using a drill
Ian Sanders
Why use coal when you can fire bend?
Levi Martin
>why use coal when you could power it by running a treadmill?
This is what you sound like.
Brandon Wright
>but I'm guessing EK can repair that faster than FN can rebuild a superweapon.
Not so sure about that. In the episode earth soldiers are shown to be completely incompetent and Ba Sing Se is was pretty peaceful throughout the war. I don't think anyone who has the ability to fix the wall will bother to do so before it is to late, whereas the fire nation literally exists just to build some shit and burn some other shit.
But yeah. That whole premise was retarded. A big metal penis is trying to penetrate them and of all the shit they could do, they chose to throw a few pebbles at it and call it a day.
Connor Carter
Is there a version without the frogface?
Joshua Williams
>user makes wacky claim
>gets called on it
>proof is demanded
>g-g-go look for it yourself, dumdum
Kayden Torres
Because I have no lif, voila, hexapod mech.
Colton Stewart
*no LIFE hahahahahaha!
fuck
Jackson Jackson
Dunno if this is real, but I want one.
youtube.com
Thomas Harris
Evan Jackson
The drill is just a fantasy exaggeration of what it exist in real life, same way the characters are able to survive drops that would kill them in real life.
The Mecha is a thing that not even modern technology is capable of doing. Now a days we need an entire power plant to make a pair of robotic legs give two steps before falling down.
Cooper Torres
John Butler
To be fair, ba sing se hasn't been involved in the war at all, even after iroh attacked. I'd think it's safeto sa that they're kind of inexperienced against fighting modern fire nation tech.