video analyzing the animation of Spider-Verse, now that its leaked and people can comb over the movie frame-by-frame
I think most people on this board noticed the obvious things like, the most mostly animating on twos but switching to ones whenever anything acrobatic happens. And the animation smears as opposed opposed to motion blurs.
But then there's shit like >both Spider-Men swinging through forest >Peter is animating on ones >Miles on twos >both in the same shot >this conveys that Peter is more experienced and acrobatic while Miles is clumsy and fumbling
Not even close. I2 was merely aiming for "what looks good according to our data about who we want to buy tickets" and had the budget to hit it. Spider-Verse boldly tries things that are radically different and artistically motivated knowing that it would risk losing everyone.
If I2 does win the Oscar, the Academy doesn't have any hope of reclaiming any credibility in the category. They're already on thin fucking ice by whining about "opportunities for independent filmmakers" in the shorts category, then turning around and saying "lol didnt watch" about anime that isn't Ghibli.
Sebastian Adams
never saw, but it probably does in at least few ways
still, I made this thread because it's about appreciating the way Spider-Verse uses 3D CGI animation in a more traditional way. Smears, playing with the frame rate, comic book stylings, the whole shebang.
Are the Incredibles movies worth watching in one session? I only ever saw the first one like 15 years ago.
Asher Carter
>Are the Incredibles movies worth watching in one session? I only ever saw the first one like 15 years ago. Might as well since the sequel might as well just be the first movie again.
Aiden Robinson
how did they make CGI smears? did they draw it traditionally? man i really need to rewatch this film.
Ayden Price
some of them are hand-drawn, and I think in some cases they just had Spider-Man's hand repeated several times in one frame to create an old-school smear
Anthony Ross
Honestly I don't care if the film always succeeded in it's animation. The fact that it was innovating is way more valuable than the same good CGI animation that's been done before.
Jordan Reyes
I suppose that has been done with ghost frames, most of the 3d packages have it as helper to see the movement youtube.com/watch?v=2-Nn1vGLDjw
Mason King
You can absolutely do smears in 3D, even in live-rendered animation, like a video game. Overwatch has a bunch, they look hilarious when frozen.
Jordan Flores
imagine having such shit taste to see this movie and think the animation was bad
>muh 10 fps
Dylan Perez
the layman is just really used to seeing nothing but Pixar/Dreamworks clones, all the see is the lower framerate sometimes and call it choppy
personally I can't imagine, the movie is still visually gorgeous even without the animation. The fucking coloring during the big fights at the hadron collider was fucking intense man. So glad I saw it in theaters.
Ryder Wright
stop being such a shill - especially for a movie that really had nothing spectacular about it animation wise' - it was all stuff you can see on short subjects on Vimeo or You Tube
Benjamin Ramirez
I agree that the marketing of "THIS SHIT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE" is a bit overblown, it was still cool seeing this shit on the big screen in a big-budget movie
but do link the short subjects because I'd probably like watching them too
Christopher Thompson
>that really had nothing spectacular about it animation wise Well it wasn't revolutionary but the mix of 2d and 3d is good, and it's nice to see something diferent in 3d animation from time to time, they also added all the work from the movie to OpenColorIO which is open source
Julian Cook
I think what overwatch does is more like exaggerated stretch & squish than a smear. Although the line between the two is a little blurry anyways
Jonathan Howard
>did they draw it traditionally? yes they did. there were videos on facebook explaining it frame by frame, but they are already lost to time.
Cameron Kelly
Sony Animation is a talented studio. Anyone who watched the Hotel Transylvania movies with an animator's eye would know that. They're just usually burdened with awful scripts. This time they lucked out.
Kevin Gutierrez
>If I2 does win the Oscar, the Academy doesn't have any hope of reclaiming any credibility in the category. You poor naive child
Angel Hernandez
>Anyone who watched the Hotel Transylvania movies with an animator's eye would know that explain
Ian Brooks
any of the Hotel Transylvania movies has better animation than anything Pixar has shat out in the past decade.
because it got cancelled and replaced by something that will make you mad the instant you read the movie title The emoji movie
Charles Harris
This makes me sad.
Luis Carter
Disappointing, but it makes sense from a business perspective. Like what are kids going to be interested in more, emojis or an old sailor that's been around since the 30s and hasn't really been used in over 30 years?
>violence >current generation cant show mild femininity and violence is getting toned down from the root up what will cartoons be like in 10 more years?
>no popeye movie by Genndy, a director with both action and comedic experience >instead we got "Popeye for kids" with bad animation and without violence, where in the 1930s kids liked it because of the violence >instead we got "emoji movie", a movie that is almost universally hated Who fucked up with this?
Gavin Hill
$0.70 has been deposited into your Disney account
Jaxson Watson
Sony and their incompetence, don't you remember those email leaks?
Evan Roberts
Any chance they'll be fired?
Connor Cox
Yes, thank you user.
Carter Reyes
Into The Spider-Verse actually has bad animation.
Jackson Campbell
Absolutely not. It's too garish and much too fast. You have 0 opportunity to appreciate the craft because most of the best animation is only present for a few frames and you have to pause over and over to let your brain register what it just saw.
This overproduced mess leaves the same tacky aftertaste as the Emoji Movie. It's doing everything short of giving a handjob to maintain your attention ever second with corny jokes and visual diarreha and there's no way to respect this level of desperation. Animation is meant to be slow and deliberate, to let people study it.
>that jab at Raimi-man 3 >Miles has Benis on his contact list I'm enjoying it.
Aaron Green
i think it's because of how stretchy it is. Pixar is more focused on realistic models and effects, while Sony embraced traditional animation techniques.
Jacob Cook
Maybe you're just old and slow. This sounds exactly like the shit people say about the 90's Spider-Man cartoon. You were wrong then and you're wrong now. Up your brain-power, dad!
Eli Hall
Incredibles 2 wasn't the first of its kind, user.
Carson Foster
Anyone over 22 is old enough to have seen traditional animation die.
Hunter Scott
>Animation is meant to be slow and deliberate, to let people study it. who said that
Incredibles 2's animation is just trying hard to emulate the physics of reality and make it more like the live-action movie, but Pixar and Disney are starting to ignore what animation should stand originally. Spider Verse gave the great lesson to the industry how the future direction of animation should be.
Austin Hall
>great lesson to the industry To bad no one cared to notice, and it had no influence whatsoever
This is the most pretentious thing I've ever read on Yea Forums.
Matthew Scott
Cartoons have been pussified shit since the early 00s. Columbine and 9/11 completely fucked western animation. Netflix might be able to save it because god knows TV has given up.
>things can only influence something else if its been in the public eye for years
Evan Watson
>Early 00s Anything made after TMNT, aka "We have bladed weapons but never stab people", is automatically faggot shit for babies.
Jace Barnes
>video analyzing cringe
Lincoln Jackson
No blood means no kill, having blood inside you means you are alive so when someone is popped open they must bleed to die. Those clones may as well be droids in the eyes of the one true God.
Ethan Bailey
How many pre-2000 animated children's shows had blood, you whiny fuck?
Thomas Jackson
That's exactly the point , it goes way further back than that. Hell that user isn't going far enough. I wouldn't hesitate to say that cartoon's have always been for pussy ass children. Only very rarely did we get anything where people are legitimately turned into flesh, gore, sinew and lots of blood with powerful attacks. That's what animation should be. Destruction and blood.
Liam Gomez
Sounds like Family Guy or South Park would be right up your alley
Alexander Smith
106071331 Laziest fucking bait I've seen all year, come the fuck on /co, you're more creative than this
Jaxson Gonzalez
>animating on 2's and smears are now considered revolutionary >the absolute state of the animation industry
Kayden Carter
>people actually saying Spider-Verse's animation was bad
I don't understand how you could possibly be so fucked in the head. That movie was gorgeous.
Also, the Easter eggs.
>The "Clone College" poster in one of the alternate Spiderworlds (I think it was Peter B. Parker's) complete with older Ghandi and Abe looking out from a billboard onto Times Square >The flawless fluidity of the pan-shot when Liv is "examining" the newly arrived Gwen, with that look of absolute wonder on her face (she really does want to dissect ALL the spiderpeople) >The fact that the only reason Peter B. was wearing sweatpants in the Lab heist was to differentiate him for the audience, but then they had to animate scientists realistically reacting to a Spider-Man in sweatpants, hence their nonplussed faces
This movie was a gift and I'll happily bitchslap anyone who says otherwise. Get your pretentious heads out of your asses. We should be glad films like this exist to inspire us to do even better animation in the future.
Animating on 2's doesn't work for CG animation. In some scenes they animated on 3's. Pretty bad. That and the terrible epileptic flashing lights and the chromatic aberration ruined this movie.
Nolan Collins
>how did they make CGI smears? well, I know in the Lego Movie they used Legos to make smears. Here's a shot of Benny when he's spazzing out.
>the three gets their origin stories told at the same time >noir and peni getting confused halfway their monologue from hearing porker's story It's the little details
Kevin Perez
>I think most people on this board noticed the obvious things like, the most mostly animating on twos but switching to ones whenever anything acrobatic happens. And the animation smears as opposed opposed to motion blurs. Uh yeah sure I did haha
Parker Morales
Done by the same guys, too
Daniel Baker
>Prowler vs original Peter is the best and shortest fight I'm a tiny bit annoyed
