Been avoiding it because everyone said it was a huge disappointment

It's passable for a stand alone capesuit movie, but the first movie is too good to keep up and the villain is just as boring as most of Pixar's twist villains when you remember how awesome Syndrome is.

I found it a little bit boring. The plot was a less creative rehash of the original 'work for supervillain doing tasks oh no supervillain is a supervillain' except the twist works way less well. The fucking second Evelyn and Winston walked on screen I knew one of them was going to be the true villain. And just for me I didn't feel much for the newbie heroes. They made a good joke now and then but as a whole feel like a massive waste. That stupid tumblr comic where Helen goes full mom on Voyd had more development for the characters than the actual movie did.

I personally was also hoping that the sequel would show more of the family in action as....y'know....a family. It was really cool in the first movie's finale how they all worked their unique talents to beat the enemy. But Helen gets shipped off for the entirety of the movie leaving Bob to deal with...sitcom dad stuff that I guess would've been funny as a TV episode, but feel like a waste of time in a feature length film considering it's basically causing every other Parr family member's powers to go to waste.

I plainly don't really understand you people.
I feel like your opinion was imprinted on you, and you never properly made your own.

lame

>and you never properly made your own.
but I did make my opinion that while not bad its not really good enough to justify its existence

>how awesome Syndrome is
...
What?
I feel like people are being OVERLY GENEROUS to that character now. Just because of one or two really memorable lines that have stood the test of time.
Syndrome was a scorned kid who miraculously became an impossibly lucrative techno-polymath, a position originally intended for a different character entirely. Pic related.

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Despite the disappointment by high expectation from the first movie, Incredibles 2 is still done better than most of Pixar's underwhelming pre/sequels like Finding Dory, Monster University and Cars (shit-tier in Pixar standard).

In general, only Toy Story trilogy was successfully kept in quality (and that's why I'm worried how TS4 comes out).

>as a theatrical movie? No, it's not good
It's hard to point to an opinion and go "There, that one is wrong" because if flies in the face of what an opinion is.

But this. This opinion. Wrong.

>In general, only Toy Story trilogy was successfully kept in quality
WHY IS EVERYONE SO UNIVERSALLY KIND TO TOY STORY 2?

Toy Story 2 is still good and the new characters like Jessie, Utility Belt Buzz, Zurg and Aliens are interesting.

literally everyone says it isn't

OLD GOOD
NEW BAD

Then everyone is wrong.
It's that simple.
>But but but mob rule
But but but shut your fuckin gob ay?

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Because the plot in the original is serving the themes about the family learning to work as a unit. This one's plot actually gets in the way of the themes of the parents appreciating each others roles.

I view things from a story writer prescriptive.

Too much of story was a repeat of the first one swapping in Helen for Bob and stretchering out the whole thing of "Nope Heroes are still illegal"

And the Hero designs are very jarring going away from the established that everyone looked human but had powers and costumes.

The new guys flat out don't look human.

Villain motives and plan feel really thin compared to what we had in the first one and the setup doesn't make sense.

for me at least it mostly comes down to the beginning of 2 mostly serving to make most of the events of 1 irrelevant, especially for Violet

it did give us Beefy Dash though so not all bad

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>The new guys flat out don't look human.
This is something they would've had in the original if they could've. Listen to the commentary and all that. They were struggling to make different character models for all they had to include. All these highly dynamic designs would've CRIPPLED them, despite that being the aesthetic they were hoping for.

It was boring as it was a rehash of the first one. We already saw those characters solve their arc in the first one, and instead of creating a situation in which they have a new one, they simply ignore what happened in the first one to solve it again this time around, or simply don't give them any.

But... incorrect.

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I wonder what the original dialogue was between Helen and the villain at the end? It seems like they're talking and the villain starts to mock Elastigirl and seems like she wants to say "You trusted me why? Because we're women?" but instead she said some other bullshit.

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Aren't you projecting?

Why shouldn't we be?

It's not as good as people say it is.
2 specifically is overhyped as shit.

Well I disagree and I think it's just as good as the first if not even better. 3 is the one I don't get the hype for, I mean it's still a great film but better than 1 and 2? Come on.

>We already saw those characters solve their arc in the first one
>boy is chill now
>doesn't drag down the story with track team
>girl can talk to boys now
>but oh no Dickers
>man is babyraiser now
>goes mad
>gets babysitter
>feels happy
>baby is super baby
>functions like any other small disney sidekick
>mom is now working mom
>job is a metaphor for our ever diminishing levels of privacy and veracity
>8 other original supers filling out the cast
>sequel examines the legal process through which injustices are comitted
>boring rehash
>mfw

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this is your brain on Yea Forums

Well, no. If you look at all the knowing looks the villain gave Helen throughout the movie, it makes the betrayal even more profound. And what was it they said during the election? "There's a special place in hell for women who don't support other women." And before you suggest that I'm projecting, give that scene another look and tell me that dialogue doesn't feel stilted. Like you have to read between the lines and it feels like they just wanted to come out and say it, but like a producer or the legal team got it changed. You know shit like that happens all the time in movies. And I don't know if you know this, but we're living in a post-korrasami world. Act 3 surprise-lesbians are so hot right now, so it was an additional juke for the woman to be attacking the other woman instead of just dropping trou and scissoring right there on the spot

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You were lucky enough to go in with already incredibly low expectations.

How about you suck my clit?

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Stop using spoilers you stupid clod. It's not cute.

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alt right fags had to bitch because daddy never loved them.

It’s a shitty rehash of the first movie.

Seriously, what’s the plot of the third movie going to be when Brad Bird makes another flop and needs saving from being fired?

>Oh no! Superheroes are hated because of collateral damage!...AGAIN!
>How will we ever get the people to like us?!!
>Look! Wacky JackJack antics!
>Will Violet get together with her bland crush?!!
>Look! Frozone! Look supersuit and wife joke again!!
>Look a Human villain that hated supers and had a tragic past!!!
>Look! The people like us again because we saved the day! Woohoo!
Call me when there is some originality and world-building.

>Stop using spoilers
Are you saying the identity of the Screenslaver isn't worth the use of spoilers?
Are you stupid or completely lacking an argument for that to be what you say to me?

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>>Look! The people like us again because we saved the day! Woohoo!
I missed that in the first film.
>>Look a Human villain that hated supers and had a tragic past!!!
The Screenslaver is a terrorist and Syndrome was an arms dealer.
Worlds different
>>Look! Frozone! Look supersuit and wife joke again!!
It's about quality not quantity, user.
>>Will Violet get together with her bland crush?!!
Instead of young girl being too shy to talk to boys, we now have a young superheroine realizing that there will be consequences for the normal people in her super life.
You really should have actually watched these films, user.
>>Look! Wacky JackJack antics!
Every shit post has a kernel of truth, I suppose.
>>How will we ever get the people to like us?!!
The family is literally homeless at the beginning of Incredibles 2
They don't care about public perception.
>>Oh no! Superheroes are hated because of collateral damage!...AGAIN!
Supers are hated due to ignorance and unfair laws.
Ignorance and unfair laws...
Why does that sound familiar?

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>>>>>everyone
Even on Yea Forums it was praised and defended by many. It was just the idiots starting the threads that didn't like it for some reason.

Why was she embarassed?

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The good news is that
We got a lot of SFM and blender Porn with Helen lately and it needs to keep going

It's the Great Value version of The Incredibles.

>Instead of young girl being too shy to talk to boys, we now have a young superheroine realizing that there will be consequences for the normal people in her super life.
yeah, like in the ending where Violet left his date in the theater because she wanted to fight. because that will not have any consequences at all.

The plot was meh but the voice work felt like the weakest aspect of the film. Most of the returning actors sounded strung out and the new ones were either mind-numbingly buffoonish (the brick hero, the crusher hero), flat (the sister), or a recycled role (saul goodman).
But yeah I definitely feel the burn others feel about the story. Incredibles 1 had really fantastic pacing but this one is just on and on.

It was overhyped and disappointing but ultimately an alright movie
Doesn't belong anywhere near Best Animated Feature

>minus the baby
Fuck you, Jack-Jack was adorable and hilarious

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A superhero has to have his/her priorities straight.

Nah.

Violet is a nudist

>Monsters University
>shit-tier in Pixar standard
Surely you're mistaken.

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It was good. Pretty sure zoomers just raised the original to mythical status when I would put them both on par with one another. The combination of power to work together and counter each other in the fight scenes were great, and also nicely balanced with the lighthearted family comedy elements. I expected nothing, and was delightfully surprised.

>its good
In what way?

This

14 years. It needed to justify it's existence after a 14 year hiatus and they failed.

>smart tablets in the '60s

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It, ironically, had too many themes it was trying to address at the same time. You make the story much more compelling and focused with only minor tweaks usually by removing them. For example:

>screenslaver has already been behind attacks for a while before Helen shows up
>Evelyn Deavor's motivation is actually against heroes as a concept making people weak (father died trying to call the police, not supers, because he was outside the safe room and wanted to be saved)
>brother and father own a gigantic telecommunications company which forces this mythos onto the populace and makes them weak and stupid
Then screenslaver's rants aren't random red herrings but the main grist of what Evelynn is doing.
Then I have seen a nice idea that Evelynn is convinced by her brother that her father didn't die because he wanted to be saved by heroes but because he was a hero (trying to ensure their safety)

Yea Forums in general though REES as hard as possible when theres a female protag. But it actually makes sense here. And those changes above make the female power more about the good (Helen) and the bad (Evelynn) that can come from it and how it changes for them. Helen is constantly trying to balance that with her concern with her family. Evelynn has to act behind the shadows because her brother has the money.

Bleeding from your cunt for the first time is a hell of a thing

Great Value is better and cheaper than the original brand

Does Yea Forums agree that Incredibles 2 comes supercharged with timely, sophisticated themes around societal apathy and gender parity?

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I dunno, I think Evelyn is fine as a hypocrite who took the wrong message from her parents's tragic death. The villain was fine outside of people not being able to handle supervillains being selfish bastards with skewed views of reality.

The real issue is the family side of things, "Mom's got a new job and how that changed the dynamic." is both too similar to the first Incredibles, which is basically "dad gets a new job.", and not handled as well. The rest of the family comes in way too late and they're not as willing to have Helen take a hard look at her choices as they were with Bob.

I don't think it's a feminism thing, a focus on Elastigirl was a logical move to make for a sequel. I think the script needed another pass or two to tie the whole story together better.

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Violet is an exhibitionist

>How couldn't you say this about the first one if you really felt like it?
Because the first movie was about a mid-life crisis, not heroics.

Monsters U should get a lot more credit for being an entirely different movie from the original and only getting better as it goes along to culminate in a great ending, it’s disadvantaged in critical eyes for being a prequel which on gut-instinct always feel unnecessary but it’s very good for what it is and I expect that in retrospect it’ll be more widely looked at as underrated

>miraculously became a techno-polymath

He made fucking rocket boots in middle school you moron, he didn't miraculously become anything

To me, the Boom comics are the only canon post-movie continuity.

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>your opinion isn't your own unless you shill cartoons for Disney on Yea Forums
Kill yourself.

Who the fuck over at Pixar thought naming your surprise villain Evelyn Deavor was a good idea?

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I found the problem. You were listening to people with taste and thought it applied to you.

Brad Bird spent over a decade insisting that there would be no sequel until he was good and ready for it. Going by this film, it's likely that Disney forced him to make this film as his punishment for Tomorrowland tanking.

Yeah that's pretty fucking miraculous user.

>I1 ends with everyone putting on their costumes and making smug faces at each other, ready to kick the Underminer's ass
>I2 starts with Helen telling the kids they can't actually do any superhero'ing and constantly bitching about how they can't be superheroes

mhm
i knew it was going to be mediocre in the first minute

The kids (minus Jack-Jack) were unbearable, Bob was presented as incompetent and/or borderline dangerous at everything he attempted and Helen for her part was good at absolutely everything. Worse, it's just a worse rehash of the original complete with "make supers legal again" and somehow people magically forgot the heroes saved the city literally days before and suddenly hated them again.

And the comic series opens with the whole family openly working together to thwart a supervillain. Even when the parents show concern for their kids being willing to put themselves in danger, they don't deny them their ability to be heroes.

Stuff it, Bird. The proper continuation to the film was a good decade ago. Shame it got cancelled before it could conclude.

>Forgetting the three-month time-skip between Syndrome and Underminer, enough time for the people to forget what happened and move on.

They never prove the villain wrong. They just beat her up and send her to jail. I don’t remember exactly what she was preaching, something about the world shouldn’t rely solely on supers, but her reason for being a dick isn’t really...acknowledged by the family.

youtube.com/watch?v=Ha6GwWrqD98
where they wrong

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Would have just been easier to reveal that she simply hated Supers out of spite.

My biggest problem is that its too much a rehash of the first without the stakes. Syndrome being Bob's rejected sidekick makes it more personal and gives him some real motivation for his actions. The sequel's setup feels quite contrived. One thing I liked a lot is that the CEO was not evil and he really believed in what his father believed in, probably a huge part of the problem is that at the end the villain still feels shes in the right and learned nothing, shes just evil "because". So I guess to sum up there are subtle differences that make the whole movie much weaker than its predecessor.

>What were people so annoyed with?

no one else needed to be in this movie except for Helen, no one else served any purpose whatsoever and was just filler, if they wanted a prequel starring Helen then that's what they should have done cuz that's what this felt like.

>*You were listening to people with unbelievably shit taste and decided to follow that
ftfy

>tfw violet's character development in i2 was just her getting her period...

feels bad man

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>and Helen for her part was good at absolutely everything.

That's funny because they have deleted scenes where she fucks up multiple times. I guess that was a no-no over at Disney, Where The Force is Female™.

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I enjoyed it, it's not a bad movie, but it did kinda feel like a retread of the first. Would have preferred a timeskip like most expected/wanted to happen.

If you have to base your interpretation of a scene about a line from a political campaign IRL, you are projecting as hell.

You're wrong

I quite liked it. I think the last third was a bit of a bore. The villain's climactic plot was kind of eh, though I really liked seeing the supers duke it out.

>Violet's an asshole all of a sudden
>The family forgot all character growth from the past movie
>Mr. incredible says "We meet again" to underminer despite never meeting him before
>Villain's name is literally evil endeavor
>villain's plan is to make supers illegal despite the fact that they're illegal already
>All the new supers are dykes, trannies, and soibois
>Lazy ass hypnozombie plot
>Helen doesn't let the villain fucking die
>They are literally in the same place as they were at the end of the first movie at the end of this one
What was the point of this. A good 60% of this isn't good. Why even bother.

I despised all the character designs. They felt more like mutants then actual humans.

Also
>Dash literally does nothing the entire movie
>Doesn't even dash across the water to get to the yacht even when the plot was practically begging him to