Pic is from tumblr, I know, but honestly wondering, You know how School often is the main setting for many cartoon ? Do you think that soon enough, pic related will be considered a daily routine as part of the story setting ? One of those thing the character have to deal with on a regular basis, as normal as the main character being sent in detention or being caught with a school pass ? Or like a fire-training episode, but instead, it's a school shooting episode. The cartoon not actually having any school shooting ever, but training for it is now the norm and part of the background ?
Would a Bob Burgers start doing that ? Or Arthur ? They made a 9/11 episode, after all.
Also, mods, please be nice, I swear I am not trolling, I am genuinely curious how a media that is often aimed at kids would address an issue they actually deal with in their daily life, not actual School shooting, but the fear of it happening and how many schools now prepare them for that.
Jackson Anderson
If you are being genuine then I'll spell this out to you as politely and straightforward as possible can: ain't no cartoon wants to touch that topic with a ten foot pole. If they actually wanted to directly teach kids about what to do, the topic would have to directly be a school shooting, and that would make audiences go ballistic. But to avoid that they'd have to make it an allegorical situation which they'd have a hard time conveying the message of what to do without raising a lot of eyebrows, and a lot of criticism for 'not making it clear' and 'making something complicated too simple'. It's a lose-lose situation and nobody wants to purposely stick themselves in it. For example, we all saw how well the gun control episode in OK KO went over.
Nolan Stewart
Didn't Gargoyles and Static Shock made episodes about school shootings? I guess OK KO too but in that one it was a metaphor.
Cooper Roberts
Static Shock
Mason Johnson
Thing is there's already an unspoken embargo on certain subjects for children's media, its basically the only substantial reason for why standards and practices even exists. I doubt anyone's willing to risk their job security in media production to make that kind of statement casually, unless its like the entire point of the project, which defeats the point of what you're suggesting.
That said I'm pretty sure south park's latest season did exactly that.
because fuck me if it isn't way more common than school shootings, and aint nobody telling young boys how to fucking manage their emotions and not pathologize themselves into utter spergs who become hikikomori as adults.
Camden Campbell
>If they actually wanted to directly teach kids about what to do They do'nt need to. school are already doing it. It's already part of their daily routine. that my point, it's already as much part of their regular life as detention. Meaning it could technically also be part of the setting of a cartoon based in school.
Static shot talked about the event of a school shoting, in a setting where it was still considered unusual. I am talking about a cartoon were school shooting doesn't happens, but training for it and expecting it to happens is already the norm. It's more about the after-effect than the actual events.
Nolan Ortiz
>children just want good escapism after coming home from the slog of school, the depressing shit that goes on there, and sometimes even their home life >make cartoons into preachy PSA's that remind them of the depressing shit in their life on top of making stories only manchildren relate to, thus driving them away to play videogames and anime
smart
Jeremiah Flores
>That said I'm pretty sure south park's latest season did exactly that. Yeah, but I was thinking of cartoon aimed at kids.
Zachary Foster
Well that just reinforces it, really. If the schools are already teaching it then there's really no way a cartoon is going to want to touch it. It's just too sore a spot for too many people, as well as too much of a hot talking point for many political groups. I get that you probably have good intentions here but I think the best route is probably the route Sesame Street goes with things like this, by helping the kids deal with understanding the aftermath of shit like this and moving past it. They handled 9/11 surprisingly well with an allegorical episode on handling trauma rooted in disaster.
Christian Wright
It's not so much about teaching as it simply be part of the setting. the same way a fire-alarm episode is.
Julian Foster
>You Were An Accident >You Can't Help It If You're Stupid >Your Nightmares Are Real >That's It; I'm Putting You Up For Adoption
The OK episode fucked up by literally telling kids to call their congressman and ask to ban guns.
David Thompson
But why would it be if it wasn't intended to either teach something about the topic, or discuss the topic? Shows don't often bring up hot topics like school shootings just to ratchet up the drama, because its pretty irresponsible storytelling on the part of the writers. They'll have to deal with months of backlash no matter how the episode is spun so the worst possible way is to spin it as 'that's just part of school, like a fire drill'. It doesn't matter if that may be true. No one, and I mean no one, wants to deal with the repercussions of doing it. Especially in episodic shows where whatever happened last episode means nothing in the next, since school shootings often have long term repercussions on the psyche of the involved students.
It won't happen because its hard, because its touchy, and because there's no win in the scenario.
Eli Gutierrez
>But why would it be if it wasn't intended to either teach something about the topic, or discuss the topic? Because it's now part of their normal life.
Nolan Cook
Doubtful. Most school cartoons rarely get into mundane shit like drills in the first place let alone one about school shootings.
James Morris
Look, I've basically said the same thing over and over again and tried to explain it in depth multiple times, with your only real argument being that 'well its happening irl and is part of their lives'. Several other people, whom you've pointedly ignored, have said similarly and also made good points. By now you're just obstinately missing the point.
Enjoy your thread devolving into shitposting, I guess.
Elijah Jones
problem with this shit is it ends up being exported and kids in other countries think its normal to take guns to school. its bad enough they try to dial 911.
Jack Wood
Nibba, school shooting drills aren't the norm. They aren't the new firedrill. They're a rarity, usually held once a year or whenever there's some big school shooting that reminds people there's a modicum of danger. The fact is is that mass murder ain't half as common as it could be. Nor a quarter as common as it would be if a generation is normalized to the idea of shootings as a fact of life, something to just expect in a school career. None of those fags on Tumblr know shit about shootings, they're pissing themselves and projecting their fear of dying onto everyone else. This isn't the new big threat, none of those zoomers were alive for Columbine, and you can bet they sang along when Pumped up kicks was the new hit song. They're reactionary faggots
Ryan Lewis
>That bitch crying at a fucking Lazer tag facility. Also I know my last year of high school was half a decade ago for me, and I grew up in a place where everyone and their mother was armed in some way but do teenagers give that much of a shit now?
Bentley Jones
>>Freaking out at laser tag
This has to be fake or the fucking biggest wimp ever.
Ryder Lopez
This is such absolute tumblr-typical attention-seeking bullshit. Your drama teacher asks who's willing to stand by the non-locking door with the fake theatre swords fucking really?
Fuck tumblr and the lies it spreads
Thomas Price
Because now everyone acts like a school shooting is happening in every school.
Camden Cruz
It's fake. The blogger is trying to gain sympathy and cred points as a PTSD trauma survivor.
Jeremiah Scott
1. Most cartoon lack school settings now. 2. Most cartoons can't even SHOW real guns 3. Most tv channels don't want to put guns in kids shows 4. They aren't need. These topics will be covered by real life actor videos which will be shown to kids. These are cheaper, faster, and easier to produce. 5. Most cartoons are made for toddlers now 6. It's a sensitive topic and people really don't want to spend money on something like that, especially since it won't be a regular rotation cartoon they can spam on tv.
It would be fine in the age of PSAs but it's not fine now.
Aaron King
We had several shootings around my high school and stabbings on the actual campus. Nobody involved had these reactions. Which sounds like a wannabe tough guy thing to say but I genuinely don't understand how these people think people will believe their posts. Ghetto and shitty fucking schools have been dealing with far more common acts of violence and life goes on in a way that is not as supposedly broken as this person is describing. It sucks and you tend to keep your on a swivel far more than you should if you're at a school, but generally speaking, life goes on.
Kevin Ross
I'm actually curious. Has a school shooting ever happened in a ghetto ass school?
Ryder Hughes
No one ? Fuck it, I'll do >Be American >Get shot
Samuel Thomas
Not exactly, they act as if school shooting COULD happen in any school.
Aaron Morris
36 and 38 are my favs
Nathan Perry
They happen constantly, if you remember a few years ago when we had "more school shooting than days in the year!?!?!" 90% of them were intercity stuff that normally doesn't get reported. Granted most of the time the violence is tangential gang related, but just normal hits happen too.
Ryder Lopez
Can't shoot up the only place to chill man.
Nolan Stewart
In ghetto schools a shooting usually means one or two kids end up getting shot, or it never happens and the kid simply ends up taking a gun with them to school. But successful massacre shootings almost always end up happening in relatively well-off and/or mostly white areas (Stoneman Douglas and Columbine respectively)
Jeremiah Sanchez
This is nothing new. A generation or two back they had routine nuclear bomb drills. The message then was that sooner or later Russia was going to nuke us and we'd probably all die.
Only stupid people fall for this. Even if school shootings increased tenfold, these kids would still be far more likely to die riding the bus to school. The media has always and will always make people into nervous ninnies who live in permanent fear.
As to OP's question, Marvel's Champions did a school shooting issue last year. It was like the first one ever, and it's been twenty years since Columbine. I don't see it becoming a routine concern or setting, if only because most cartoonists who really do care about this have so much trauma that they don't want to face it.
Kayden Russell
remember not to talk to any strangers after school today
Cooper Wilson
OP image honestly feels like people lying or exaggerating feelings they've had ONCE when contemplating if a shooting could happen. Especially the one who's said somehow it consumed all their time. It just feels like tumblrites trying to get PTSD cred or practice their writing.
If those were from people who'd experienced shootings or been close to those who had or lived in a dangerous area, they'd come off as more believable. But when the OP explicitly asks those who haven't, and those responding don't seem to have a reason to fear, it feels ridiculous. Like they want to construct a narrative of LIVING IN FEAR or BEING A SURVIVOR to feel validated.
Maybe the climate's changed. I graduated from HS in 2012 and attended college after, and can honestly say shooting wasn't a main concern. We DID have intruder drills in HS to prepare for locking classroom doors if someone got in the building, but once a year, maybe, almost definitely less than fire drills, and I don't remember anyone breaking down in class.
The point of that was that I don't think or expect a cartoon would do that, because it isn't something that's relevant to students where it hasn't happened or has no immediate risk. For older kids or those at risk, it seems they'd already do drills or watch videos more appropriate to their age/the topic (involving people and not cartoon characters). It's not even like these cartoons could save a kid's life, because as far as I know, many involving kids who'd watch cartoons like Arthur just had them die instantly. It'd feel needlessly grim to portray fear of shootings as an everyday thing, and maybe also not true to life for many kids.
I could see one as an adult-aimed thing, but not in the normal rotation or premise of a children's educational show. Even the Arthur "9/11 episode," unless they made another one, was massively toned down, just involving the feelings experienced after a tragedy, in this case a fire at school with literally no one even dying.
Robert Jackson
>i cried at laser tag because someone pointed a gun at me! >I cried at a place where I knowingly payed to shoot and get shot at Sorry OP, should have chosen a better image. But yeah, it’s a sensitive subject that really ought to be not taught by the people writing today’s cartoons. The OK KO episode was sort of a disaster.
Owen Cruz
>This fear and this pain is unique to this generation of children Wasn't everyone afraid of being nuked to oblivion a few decades ago? Not to downplay what they're saying, but every generation has their catastrophic threat.
Jordan Campbell
It's not perfectly comparable, but my dad lived back when they had Duck And Cover drills for when the atomic bomb would finally hit. Eventually those drills stopped being a thing, and are now only ever brought up in media as a quaint quirk unique to its time period, like the scene it’s referenced in The Iron Giant. I kinda hope shooting drills turn out the same way. You never know what’s gonna catch on as a trope, though.
The Duck and Cover movement had a certain psychological impact on the generation that lived through it, I think,l. I remember right up until my grandmother died, she had this one whole pantry room that she kept just packed full of canned goods, and everyone thought it was such a silly old lady thing and couldn’t figure out why she did that, it was more than she could ever reasonably need, but when I think about it, I’m pretty sure that habit started in the 50s and 60s back when there was this big push about stocking your shelter with nonperishables in case of a disaster, and she was just never able to move on from that habit.
Tyler Reyes
She also says it’s unique to America, and completely forgets that there are third world countries who are at war where kids put up with all kinds of regular threats of violence.
Young people just aren’t very good at thinking of the world at large outside of themselves sometimes.
Dominic Martinez
Dude, literally NO ONE in America acts like that post. That shit is crazy and made up. If you're thinking about getting shot 24/7, you have bigger problems than a school shooter.
Samuel Myers
16 year old upper middle class white girls absolutely do act like that post. They just usually, hopefully, realize they’re being over dramatic and unhealthy and grow out of it.
All of the people like the classmates and teachers the poster talks about are of course either heavily exaggerated or outright made up, of course, but unfortunately I think it’s actually pretty likely that a lot of the personal feelings they’re expressing they honestly believe are true.
Daniel King
WBB had an episode about the beta uprising in California.
>>Dad's New Wife 'Greg' >>All Cats Go to Hell My fucking sides
Nathan Sanders
So, we're going to have kids with thousand-yard stares for shit that happened in a completely different location? I've lived in neighborhoods with guns getting drawn on people, had classes shut down because of shootings a block away and other bullshit. The town I lived in had a sniper going around for like a year, and I didn't develop some Vietnam War level ptsd. I just accepted it and went on with my day.
I'm pretty open and understanding to people having different sorts of trauma, but this seems excessive. In a time where school shootings are the norm, terrorist attacks are frequently shown on tv, and the media sensationalizes crime disproportionately, you've gotta have a thicker skin than that.
